Boston sports fans: Has Tom Brady surpassed Larry Bird as

[Boston 0]

Here are the Boston icons in no particular order:

 

Bobby Orr-If you're a youngster you could never comprehend what he was. You can take Brady and Bird together and it would not equal Orr's popularity during the Big Bad Bruin heyday because it was so genuine and it was during an era that was far more innocent. There's a rink in almost every town in eastern Mass due to him and if you were a kid in the early to mid-70's without an Orr #4 jersey than your parents probably didn't like you. On ice he is one of the few atlhetes who can claim to have changed a sport. Defenseman played a far different type of game pre-Orr and his stats compared to those before him at his position are beyond silly. While his career was over at 27 his legacy will always be beyond special to those who remember that era.

 

Bill Russell-The greatest "team" athlete of all time. 11 championships in 13 years is incredibly impressive. The guy dominated but was never fully embraced by many fans. The race factor when Boston was a different city combined with a distant personality means he will always take a backseat to Orr, Brady and Bird as far as his connection and popularity with the fans is concerned.

 

Ted Williams-Debatable the greatest hitter of all time. Add in the years he lost due to serving in two wars and phenomenal career numbers go off the charts. While he will always be a beloved figure in Boston he was somewhat of an eccentric, clashed with the press and quite honestly didn't give a crap about how anyone felt about him. The fact he never was part of a championship is always something that was in the background but it's not something anyone blamed him for. He's a legit icon but the pure love fans have for an Orr or Bird isn't the same with Teddy Ballgame.

 

Cam Neely-A big time fan favorite and with his style it's not a surprise. As tough a hockey player as I have ever seen with both his fists and just playing in general. A real sniper who could put the puck in the net who always played balls out. Besides having crappy ownership his loss to injuries pretty much coincides with the demise of this franchise. He's an incredibly popular athlete here and would be in any city because his style of play is always a fan favorite.

 

Larry Bird-It was just awesome having him play for the team you root for. An odd looking white guy who did things that odd looking white guys should not have done. He was beyond clutch and played in some of the most high-profile sports contests ever in his duels with Magic and the Lakers. Everyone remembers the scoring but his passing was amazing. He was tough and never backed down and I think many New Englanders think he reflected what they think this area is all about (even though he's from Indiana). The guy talked some serious smack to both opponents, teammates and fans and he always backed it up. His nickname is Larry Legend and that's what he is here, a Legend.

 

Tom Brady-On pace to potentially be known as the greatest football player ever. He has taken a franchise that has had far more downs than ups and helped turned them into the Yankees of football. This franchise has basically had three constants during their run...Kraft, BB and Brady. Right now there are only five starters left from the 01 team. Brady's leadership on this team is second to none and he has that aura with his teammates that Orr and Bird had. He sets the tone with his work ethic and they know they always have a chance with him. Last year he came within a play of going to another Super Bowl with a #1 WR who got cut in camp this year. Now, armed with big time weapons he's poised to lead a team to an undefeated season while probably throwing for over 50 TDs. I've been on this board for awhile so I'm not blowing smoke when I say I knew he was special early but he's now taking his game to a level that is crazy and the fact he's still in his prime is simply amazing.

 

For me Brady is easily my favorite athlete of all time. He doesn't let anything phase him and is purely focused on winning. His work ethic, leadership and ability to bang hot chicks is second to none. Overall I'd say the big three in Boston sports as far as fan love is concerned are Orr, Bird and Brady. Each dominated their sport and had a personality that the area could connect with even though all three are very different. Yet, as far as pure fan love I think Orr gets the nod...and as I said earlier if you weren't around than you just can't understand it. Brady's closing in and at his age has a chance to overtake him as his book still has a few more chapters left. Yet, the connection Orr (and those Bruin teams) had is difficult to understand now. These guys used to party in town with the fans and didn't make the $ they do know. They were more "real" and in today's world that just can't be duplicated.

[muzz 0]

I was given a Bobbby Orr Autographed Stick, he scored 2 goals that night with it ( Atlanta Flames - I watched that game, and got the stick 1 day later)..

I also had a goal scored- Autograhed Don Marcotte stick...

 

My older sister had a BF(and his father) that was in the Boston Garden "Crew"

 

I'm a righty....... my 7 year older brother shoots lefty

 

That fkr took my Orr stick, and played street hockey with it!!!!

 

He ruined my Marcotte stick as well!!

 

Orr

Bird

Brady

 

Orr was THE MAN- None other will touch him IMO.

[three out of four 0]

Did Bird's coach mike up the point guard of the other team so Larry would know what play was coming? Cause Brady had that benefit when Belicheat miked up his own d line to steal signals. So i think ya gotta go with Bird as Brady will be looking 4 his first title next year as it will be the Pats first without help.

 

You're a 'tard. Red Auerbach invented this stuff. No hot water in the visiting locker room, turning up the heat when the Lakers came to town, etc.

 

Besides, how does miking up the Pats D line benefit Brady? Brady plays against the other teams defense not offense.

 

What a tool.

[GiantsRule 0]

Tom Brady-On pace to potentially be known as the greatest football player ever.

 

As always, a great post, except for this comment. Brady's fantastic, but he won't be the "greatest football player" ever. Quarterback? Maybe. Jerry Rice or Jim Brown would qualify for "greatest FOOTBALL player" before Brady, Manning, and possibly even Joe Montana ever would.

[Vince44 208]

I must remind a few of you guys in here who are discrediting Brady's 3 rings for all the usual BS reasons that I do can the same for Bird's 3.

 

The 81 Boston Celtics championship happened to come in the year Magic was injured all year and when he was healthy the year before the Lakers won it all. The Celtics do not win in 84 if Worthy doesn't make a horrible pass in the final 15 seconds of Game 2. The Lakers were up 1-0 in the series and up 2 at the time so if not for Worthy's screwup they go home up 2-0 taking both road games in Boston. You wanna talk about luck and flukes? We move later into the series and had Magic not missed both of those late FT's in Game 4 then LA goes up 3-1. LA should've swept Boston in 84 but Worthy threw the game away in Game 2 and Magic couldn't hit either FT to seal a win in Game 4. We move to 86 where thanks to a upset in the West Finals the Celtics avoided the Lakers in the NBA Finals. The same team that beat Boston in 85 at the Garden to win the Championship.

 

This being said none of Bird's rings deserves a asterick cause his team caught many breaks and neither do Brady's.

[Jesus Christ 0]

Did Bird need an outstanding kicker, the tuck rule, and cheating to barely, barely sneak by three of the worst super bowl opponents in the history of the game???

 

Did Bird have Don Majkowski's career stats until Moss joined his team?

 

Did Bird classlessly shoot 3-pointers up by 40 in the fourth quarter to try and make up for those lifetime of Don Majkowski-like stats?

 

Was Bird ever handed an MVP for throwing for a miserable 125 yards in a super bowl?

 

Is Bird a bastard factory?

I think Patriot fans need to ask themself a few simple questions and the answer becomes clear.

 

You should really do some research on Brady's numbers, if Brady had just a normal Brady year year, and played 4 more seasons (12 total), Brady would be top 7 all time in both Yards & TD's and all the people ahead of him would have played on avergare 15 total years. Or I wonder if you also compared Mannings stats to Don Majkowski's after Manning played the same amount of starts Brady has?

Mannings first 109 starts

TD's: 208

Yards: 28,338

Int's: 118

Brady's 1st 109

TD's: 192

Yards: 25, 607

Int's: 83

 

I never knew manning played like Majkowski either? crazy...

[edjr 6,898]

Mannings first 109 starts

TD's: 208

Yards: 28,338

Int's: 118

Brady's 1st 109

TD's: 192

Yards: 25, 607

Int's: 83

 

Ok, now list the wide receivers each QB had for all those TD's and Yards, then list this years stats, the 1st time Brady ever played with real WR's

[BMoney 0]

I was given a Bobbby Orr Autographed Stick, he scored 2 goals that night with it ( Atlanta Flames - I watched that game, and got the stick 1 day later)..

I also had a goal scored- Autograhed Don Marcotte stick...

 

My older sister had a BF(and his father) that was in the Boston Garden "Crew"

 

I'm a righty....... my 7 year older brother shoots lefty

 

That fkr took my Orr stick, and played street hockey with it!!!!

 

He ruined my Marcotte stick as well!!

 

Orr

Bird

Brady

 

Orr was THE MAN- None other will touch him IMO.

 

i agree...and this story makes me ill....he played with your Orr stick?

 

you shouldve had stan jonathan pay him a visit....

[edjr 6,898]

i agree...and this story makes me ill....he played with your Orr stick?

 

you shouldve had stan jonathan pay him a visit....

 

 

 

When hockey was hockey.

[Mr. Dynasty 0]

in time, Brady may surpass them all.

 

it all depends on what happens post-career.

The Legends are grown by the books and stories that come out after the fact.

And guys like Bobby Orr and Cam Neely are still so involved locally that the fanbase continues to embrace them.

 

If Brady remains a part of the Boston sports scene and community, he may well overtake them all as Boston's favorite sports-son.

[hines86rules 0]

No love at all for Big Papi in this thread????? I think I saw him mentioned once.

 

In no order:

Bird

Russell

 

Pesky

Big Papi

Teddy Ballgame

Yaz

 

Borque

Orr

 

Brady

Flutie

[edjr 6,898]

Don't forget another thing Bird and Brady already have in common.

 

Both are dead beat dads.

[Boston 0]

No love at all for Big Papi in this thread????? I think I saw him mentioned once.

 

In no order:

Bird

Russell

 

Pesky

Big Papi

Teddy Ballgame

Yaz

 

Borque

Orr

 

Brady

Flutie

 

While I love Big Papi there is no way he gets put in the same category as the Orr's or Bird's. Absolutely no way. He's very popular and everyone's favorite current Red Sox but he is not worshipped like the Orr's or Bird's.

[hines86rules 0]

While I love Big Papi there is no way he gets put in the same category as the Orr's or Bird's. Absolutely no way. He's very popular and everyone's favorite current Red Sox but he is not worshipped like the Orr's or Bird's.

I'm not putting him in a category. Just threw the names out there. Bird and Orr are on another level.

[Boston 0]

As always, a great post, except for this comment. Brady's fantastic, but he won't be the "greatest football player" ever. Quarterback? Maybe. Jerry Rice or Jim Brown would qualify for "greatest FOOTBALL player" before Brady, Manning, and possibly even Joe Montana ever would.

 

Let's see how his career ends up. If the Pats go undefeated and he tosses 50+ passes this year and he adds another 5 or 6 big time years to go with what he already has done he will be right in the middle of any conversation about who's the best.

[Mr. Dynasty 0]

Let's see how his career ends up. If the Pats go undefeated and he tosses 50+ passes this year and he adds another 5 or 6 big time years to go with what he already has done he will be right in the middle of any conversation about who's the best.

 

 

Boston, unfortunately Brady will suffer from the same problem Bird had: neither are/were blessed with amazing athleticism.

 

The Best Football Player Ever Title will have to be reserved for someone who has the sports-intelligence and ice-water clutch ability to go along with unmatched physical skills. Michael Jordan was an example in the NBA and I believe Jerry Rice is an example in the NFL.

 

Brady may go down as the best QB ever.

He may go down as the coolest, clutchest QB ever.

 

But it would be a stretch to ever call his slow running, no jumping ass the best football player ever.

 

If Michael Vick could have packaged all of Brady (or Manning's) football smarts, poise, and leadership to go along with the amazing physical talents, he COULD have surpassed Rice. I believe, someday, there will be a QB like that; a Michale Jordan of QBs.

[Boston 0]

Boston, unfortunately Brady will suffer from the same problem Bird had: neither are/were blessed with amazing athleticism.

 

The Best Football Player Ever Title will have to be reserved for someone who has the sports-intelligence and ice-water clutch ability to go along with unmatched physical skills. Michael Jordan was an example in the NBA and I believe Jerry Rice is an example in the NFL.

 

Brady may go down as the best QB ever.

He may go down as the coolest, clutchest QB ever.

 

But it would be a stretch to ever call his slow running, no jumping ass the best football player ever.

 

If Michael Vick could have packaged all of Brady (or Manning's) football smarts, poise, and leadership to go along with the amazing physical talents, he COULD have surpassed Rice. I believe, someday, there will be a QB like that; a Michale Jordan of QBs.

 

In today's NFL unless you are very intelligent and have sick work ethic like Brady or Manning you're only going to get so far with your physical gifts.

 

Also, I really disagree that style trumps substance when you're judging a career in any sport. At some point it's about results which is why Bird is far superior to a physical freak like Dominique and Brady is to Vick. It's not all about looking good when you jump or run.

[Jesus Christ 0]

Brady is well on his way, loved him getting in Smith's face last night, that was very Bird like - Seeing that you knew how fired up Brady was, the game was over for me right there, just like Bird when he showed that emotion, it was pretty much lights out, you felt it, you knew it - game over!!!

 

Bird fan's loved that about Bird, his jawing and backing it up - I think the big difference here is that Football is more team oriented then BBall. Bird made the shots to win, a QB can be clutch but he still needs his WR to make the catch or his Place kicker to make the kick, so I think this is where Bird will be favored, he single handily won games for the Celtics.

 

Bird will always be my favorite athlete and I'd have to put Brady at 2 - 9 times out of 10 they both are gonna come through.

[Willie McGee 0]

Boston sports fans: Has Tom Brady surpassed Larry Bird as, the best Boston sports star ever?

 

Yes.

[mighty_thor 115]

Don't forget another thing Bird and Brady already have in common.

 

Both are dead beat dads.

 

dead beat dads are dads who don't pay child support. I don't think either falls into this category.

[edjr 6,898]

dead beat dads are dads who don't pay child support. I don't think either falls into this category.

 

semantics

 

Bird was a terrible father to his 1st child. This is well documented.

 

I'm guessing during the season, Brady hardly ever sees his child.

[GiantsRule 0]

While I love Big Papi there is no way he gets put in the same category as the Orr's or Bird's. Absolutely no way. He's very popular and everyone's favorite current Red Sox but he is not worshipped like the Orr's or Bird's.

 

Ortiz now isn't nearly as popular and influential as NOMAH was in his prime. Nobody took this town by storm like Garciaparra did in the late-90s. Of course:

 

1. Few fizzled out as quickly

2. His popularity could be attributed to the poor state of affairs of Boston sports at the time

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

semantics

 

Bird was a terrible father to his 1st child. This is well documented.

 

I'm guessing during the season, Brady hardly ever sees his child.

 

 

Ed trying to quantify what makes a good father. Crassic!

[Cuse9 131]

I'm not a Bostonian, nor am I a Boston fan of any sport but I've been amazed that Ted Williams isn't the most popular sports figure of all time in Boston.

 

I think nationally it's Ted Williams for sure.

 

I understand Orr was a phenomenal hockey player. Russell was the champion of champions. Bird was the best player on a team of great players.

 

I would rank the Boston greats as such.....

 

1. Ted Williams...arguable best player ever.

2. Bobby Orr...after Gretzge...best player.

3. Bill Russell....best center ever, definition of champion.

4. Larry Bird....magical player, made everyone even better.

5. Carl Yazremski

6. Tom Brady...another title or two could go to #3....top two are almost impossible to pass.

7. Bob Cousy

8. David Ortiz

9. Ray Borque

10. Doug Flutie

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

I'm not a Bostonian, nor am I a Boston fan of any sport but I've been amazed that Ted Williams isn't the most popular sports figure of all time in Boston.

 

I think nationally it's Ted Williams for sure.

 

I understand Orr was a phenomenal hockey player. Russell was the champion of champions. Bird was the best player on a team of great players.

 

I would rank the Boston greats as such.....

 

1. Ted Williams...arguable best player ever.

2. Bobby Orr...after Gretzge...best player.

3. Bill Russell....best center ever, definition of champion.

4. Larry Bird....magical player, made everyone even better.

5. Carl Yazremski

6. Tom Brady...another title or two could go to #3....top two are almost impossible to pass.

7. Bob Cousy

8. David Ortiz

9. Ray Borque

10. Doug Flutie

 

If you talk to people that have seen both Orr and Gretzky play, you'd be surprised by how many would rank Orr at least on par with Gretzky, and that's not to take anything away from Gretzky's numerous, numerous accomplishments. Orr revolutionized how a defenceman plays hockey.

 

By the way, from what I can gather many Bostonians would have Cam Neely in the Top 10 somewhere.

[Boston 0]

If you talk to people that have seen both Orr and Gretzky play, you'd be surprised by how many would rank Orr at least on par with Gretzky, and that's not to take anything away from Gretzky's numerous, numerous accomplishments. Orr revolutionized how a defenceman plays hockey.

 

By the way, from what I can gather many Bostonians would have Cam Neely in the Top 10 somewhere.

 

There aren't many that would rank Ortiz, Yaz or Flutie above Neely. Also, while Bourque is a big fan favorite the fans aren't as passionate about him like they are Neely.

[Ambroc 0]

New Englanders loved Teddy Ballgame, no doubt, but, like previous posters have stated, the lack of championship and his cold demeanor with the press caused him to slip in the pantheon on Boston sport. The fact that he went to war should make him number one, alone, but people tend not to give credit for that when deciding who was the best ever.

 

Orr would be number one for those of the older generation. You just cannot describe Orr's innovation and talent. Every kid in New England wanted to skate end to end and score "Bobby Orr" style. If Orr had today's orthopedic surgeons around him back then (his knees were butchered) I think there would be not doubt who the best player hockey player of all time would be. To a white, working class Boston, Orr was the sports "icon" of the century.

 

The older, older generation might include Cousy with Russell. Russell deserves consideration as number one (five league MVPs, a ton of Championships), but at the time that he played, Boston, quite frankly, was as racist as any cracker town in Alabama. Russell liked to tell people he played for the Celtics, not Boston. People (especially the press) thought he had a cold attitude, but he sure as ###### had a right to be pissed off. (Once, on a road trip to KY, they refused to serve he and his black teammates in a restaurant. He refused to play ball that night.)

Please google Russell to get an idea of his life. You might come away believing he was the best basketball player ever.

 

 

I'm not a Bostonian, nor am I a Boston fan of any sport but I've been amazed that Ted Williams isn't the most popular sports figure of all time in Boston.

 

I think nationally it's Ted Williams for sure.

 

I understand Orr was a phenomenal hockey player. Russell was the champion of champions. Bird was the best player on a team of great players.

 

I would rank the Boston greats as such.....

 

1. Ted Williams...arguable best player ever.

2. Bobby Orr...after Gretzge...best player.

3. Bill Russell....best center ever, definition of champion.

4. Larry Bird....magical player, made everyone even better.

5. Carl Yazremski

6. Tom Brady...another title or two could go to #3....top two are almost impossible to pass.

7. Bob Cousy

8. David Ortiz

9. Ray Borque

10. Doug Flutie

[Ambroc 0]

i agree...and this story makes me ill....he played with your Orr stick?

 

you shouldve had stan jonathan pay him a visit....

 

Jonathan did pay me a visit!!! Sort of.

 

OT, I know, but he showed up at our Peewee fund raiser with a broken hand one year to give a little clinic. With one hand, that guy could wrist shot the puck from center ice, top corner. He was the best little bruiser in the league those years. Muscles coming out of his ears.

 

If you could skate, you wanted to be Orr or Phil. If you could fight, you wanted to be Jonathan.

 

Good memories.

[Cuse9 131]

If you talk to people that have seen both Orr and Gretzky play, you'd be surprised by how many would rank Orr at least on par with Gretzky, and that's not to take anything away from Gretzky's numerous, numerous accomplishments. Orr revolutionized how a defenceman plays hockey.

 

By the way, from what I can gather many Bostonians would have Cam Neely in the Top 10 somewhere.

I'm not a big hockey fan so I definitly can't appreciate what Orr did appropriatly. I was trying to list the top ten to what I thought the "nation" would think.

 

It surprizes me that Ortiz wouldn't be ranked very high among Boston fans. After being (arguably) their best player on two World Series teams. I completely forgot about Cam Neely as well. He would definitly been a top ten candidate if not for such a short career.

 

I was trying to think of a Boston College basketball player and all I can think of was Dana Barros or Billy Curley....lol....don't think either of them would make the list!!

[Thornton Melon 648]

Also, while Bourque is a big fan favorite the fans aren't as passionate about him like they are Neely.

 

I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with that statement. While Neely is certainly when of the most popular Bruins ever, and gets the sex appeal points with the women, he doesn't quite have the love, respect and admiration that Bourque has. How many Boston fans became Colorado Avalanche fans in the spring of 2001? Household TVs were tuned in, and sports bars were filled with fans rooting for Ray to take home the Cup. They had a day in his honor after he won, and 15,000+ fans showed up at City Hall to see him with the Cup. Sure, we would have seen something similar if it had been Cam, but not to that extent.

 

In the pantheon of Boston sports, I'd say it goes Orr, then Bird, then in no particular order - Williams, Bourque, Brady.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with that statement. While Neely is certainly when of the most popular Bruins ever, and gets the sex appeal points with the women, he doesn't quite have the love, respect and admiration that Bourque has. How many Boston fans became Colorado Avalanche fans in the spring of 2001? Household TVs were tuned in, and sports bars were filled with fans rooting for Ray to take home the Cup. They had a day in his honor after he won, and 15,000+ fans showed up at City Hall to see him with the Cup. Sure, we would have seen something similar if it had been Cam, but not to that extent.

 

In the pantheon of Boston sports, I'd say it goes Orr, then Bird, then in no particular order - Williams, Bourque, Brady.

 

I agree that Bourque goes ahead of Neely. No doubt on that one. You also have to look at things generationally.

 

Williams, Cousy (don't forget that he went to HC), and Russell are the ones that resonate with people over 60.

 

Yaz, Orr are bigger with the over 50 crowd

 

Over 40 and you come into the Bird, Bourque, Neely and Rice groupings. Clemens could have been here if he had not left to go to the Yankees.

 

Today, we have a whole new generation of players like Brady, Papi, etc.

 

Some of those folks have spanned generations. I would put the Williams, Bird, Russell, and Orr guys in that area. Brady is heading in that direction, but I think that he needs a little more time to be in that crowd.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

I was trying to think of a Boston College basketball player and all I can think of was Dana Barros or Billy Curley....lol....don't think either of them would make the list!!

 

1. Boston is not a college sports town.

2. College players are not here long enough to take the town. Flutie was a local kid and he ended up in Boston with a couple of stints with the Pats.

[edjr 6,898]

 

Ed trying to quantify what makes a good father. Crassic!

 

Bird was a good father to his 1st born?

 

No he wasn't. WOW you are a pathetic homer.

[edjr 6,898]

I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with that statement. While Neely is certainly when of the most popular Bruins ever, and gets the sex appeal points with the women, he doesn't quite have the love, respect and admiration that Bourque has.

 

X

 

Try again.

[edjr 6,898]

That's right everyone. PatsFat would have you believe, Larry Bird was not a horrible father to his 1st born.

 

 

From Wikipedia

 

After his return home from Indiana University and his parents' divorce, Bird married his high-school girlfriend, Janet Condra. The marriage lasted only 11 months, but produced a daughter, Corrie. In 1998, Corrie Bird appeared on The Oprah Winfrey Show and revealed that she was Bird's daughter from his first marriage though Larry had denied paternity until the mid 80's. She discussed her longing to connect with her father, who she hadn't seen in 17 years.

 

Way to man up and be a father Larry

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Bird was a good father to his 1st born?

 

No he wasn't. WOW you are a pathetic homer.

 

WOW. Your reading comprehension is not so good. I never said that Bird was a good father. Nice job of cutting out BOTH of your comments. You said that Bird AND Brady were deadbeat Dads. You have no idea what the term means.

 

My point was that you attempting to tell us what makes a good father is hilarious. Shall we go through your past posts to prove that the Commonwealth was correct in legislating against you procreating?

[edjr 6,898]

WOW. Your reading comprehension is not so good. I never said that Bird was a good father. Nice job of cutting out BOTH of your comments. You said that Bird AND Brady were deadbeat Dads. You have no idea what the term means.

 

My point was that you attempting to tell us what makes a good father is hilarious. Shall we go through your past posts to prove that the Commonwealth was correct in legislating against you procreating?

 

 

Bird was a horrible father. Only a good father can see that, right?

[Thornton Melon 648]

Yaz, Orr are bigger with the over 50 crowd

 

Hey, I'm only 43. Don't group me in with those geezers!

[edjr 6,898]

Hey, I'm only 43. Don't group me in with those geezers!

 

Orr's best years were from 68 to 75

 

you watched him from the age of 4 to 11 and he's your favorite of all time?

[Thornton Melon 648]

Orr's best years were from 68 to 75

 

you watched him from the age of 4 to 11 and he's your favorite of all time?

 

I never said he was my favorite. He was Boston's favorite. I was an Espo/Marcotte guy myself, but Brad Park is my all time favorite Bruin.

 

And anyway, are you saying can't be under 10 and have a favorite player that sticks with you for life? Aren't you young, innocent, and naive and even more emotionally involved at that stage of your life, so the fond memories stay with you?