Eagles off-season discussion

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

As much as I hate to say it, the Eagles could really use Roy Williams the safety right about now.

 

I don't like the prospects of going into this season with Quinton Demps as my starter. I do, however, can handle having a platoon at that position.

 

Williams could thrive in the similar position that Dawkins played last season. The platoon situation can be the same, bringing Demps in on obvious passing downs.

 

What does terrify me, however, is the offensive line. Washington and the Giants have both upgraded their front seven while the Eagles have done nothing to the interior of their offensive line. As is, I don't see how they can even run the ball next year, especially without a legitimate FB or decent blocking TE.

 

Per the usual, though, they'll do focking nothing and we can hear about the Gold Standard again.

[NewbieJr 541]

As much as I hate to say it, the Eagles could really use Roy Williams the safety right about now.

 

I don't like the prospects of going into this season with Quinton Demps as my starter. I do, however, can handle having a platoon at that position.

 

Williams could thrive in the similar position that Dawkins played last season. The platoon situation can be the same, bringing Demps in on obvious passing downs.

 

What does terrify me, however, is the offensive line. Washington and the Giants have both upgraded their front seven while the Eagles have done nothing to the interior of their offensive line. As is, I don't see how they can even run the ball next year, especially without a legitimate FB or decent blocking TE.

 

Per the usual, though, they'll do focking nothing and we can hear about the Gold Standard again.

Ghost, Williams is nothing but a hitter. Probably the worst coverage safety in the league. I'd much rather have Demps back there.

 

 

Great move by the Birds in getting a 5 for Lewis. I'm quite sure he would have been cut outright shortly. They have quite a few picks this year. Hopefully they're saving them up to package some of them in a deal for Boldin. They can't afford to stand pat while the rest of the division is going full speed ahead to improve.

[The Next Generation 10]

Eagles agreed to terms with SS Sean Jones on a one-year undisclosed contract.

Jones fills the void left by Brian Dawkins' departure, but it's surprising that he only landed a one-year deal. A rebound season would allow him to hit the market again next year at age 28 where he would have a better chance of cashing in.

[Kilroy 0]

Eagles agreed to terms with SS Sean Jones on a one-year undisclosed contract.

Jones fills the void left by Brian Dawkins' departure, but it's surprising that he only landed a one-year deal. A rebound season would allow him to hit the market again next year at age 28 where he would have a better chance of cashing in.

 

I don't know much about Jones other than the news surrounding him when he was drafted. He was supposed to be a great pick-up by the Browns in the second round of the '04 draft. Most considered him a first round talent I believe. I think he blew out his knee and missed his entire rookie year.

 

I haven't heard much of him since until this signing by the Eagles. Apparently he has 14 INTs in the last three seasons if I recall what I heard correctly.

 

Jones was on the radio saying he doesn't know if he was signed to start or be a back-up. Said he was just looking to compete for the starting job.

 

Anyways, at least they went and added a safety with Dawkins now gone.

 

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One other thing to mention regarding the Eagles cap situation. Apparently they are some $40M under the cap. On the radio I heard that by league rules teams must use up a certain percentage of their cap space. I forget what the percentage was, but they said the Eagles had to spend something like another 21-28 million dollars to reach that percentage.

 

Point here is that the Eagles will have to spend at least another $20M on players somewhere. So whether it's re-upping their own guys, or bringing new talent in, they will be spending a good portion of that money somewhere.

 

Also - Ike Reese was saying he thought they traded Greg Lewis away in order to make room for another WR they'll be bringing in. He threw Chad Johnson's and Boldin's name out there - we'll see...

[bswarriors 0]

I think the eagles can address any defensive holes via FA and should look to improve the OL through the early rounds of the draft. A guy that would address their need at RB and would be a great compliment to Bwest is Shonn Greene from Iowa. He only had 1 year of true work in college so he is a bit unproven but had a great year last year and draft experts have him going as early as rd 2 and as late as mid-late 3rd. If the eagles can get this guy in the third it would be a steal.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

I don't know much about Jones other than the news surrounding him when he was drafted. He was supposed to be a great pick-up by the Browns in the second round of the '04 draft. Most considered him a first round talent I believe. I think he blew out his knee and missed his entire rookie year.

 

I haven't heard much of him since until this signing by the Eagles. Apparently he has 14 INTs in the last three seasons if I recall what I heard correctly.

 

Jones was on the radio saying he doesn't know if he was signed to start or be a back-up. Said he was just looking to compete for the starting job.

 

Anyways, at least they went and added a safety with Dawkins now gone.

 

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One other thing to mention regarding the Eagles cap situation. Apparently they are some $40M under the cap. On the radio I heard that by league rules teams must use up a certain percentage of their cap space. I forget what the percentage was, but they said the Eagles had to spend something like another 21-28 million dollars to reach that percentage.

 

Point here is that the Eagles will have to spend at least another $20M on players somewhere. So whether it's re-upping their own guys, or bringing new talent in, they will be spending a good portion of that money somewhere.

 

Also - Ike Reese was saying he thought they traded Greg Lewis away in order to make room for another WR they'll be bringing in. He threw Chad Johnson's and Boldin's name out there - we'll see...

 

Alot of the cap this year was a carry over from last year. They need to be within a percentage, yes. And given that next year, as it stands, is an uncapped year, there is nothing they can carry over, so they will have to spend alot of that money. Maybe it goes into extending contracts, or maybe signing some young guys to longer contracts. We shall see. But I agree, they'll have to spend that money.

 

From stuff I've read, the guy to look out for is Torry Holt. Evidently, he and McNabb are pretty good friends. He wants out of the St. Louis, the Eagles have a ton of picks, so perhaps he comes here instead of Johnson or Boldin (I don't see why the Cards would trade him to a conference opponent).

 

Jones was a nice signing, but the current state of the offensive lines scares the hell out of me, and that's only because the Redskins and Cowboys have improved on their defensive front (Dallas, too, with Olshansky, who's a beast). All the more reason to bring back Tra Thomas, IMO.

[The Next Generation 10]

The Jaguars have agreed to terms with OT William "Tra" Thomas on a three-year contract.

Thomas will slot into Khalif Barnes' old spot at left tackle and will be an improvement in pass protection. The Jags may still draft a tackle, but now they will have the luxury of breaking a rookie in slowly. The signing also gives Jacksonville greater flexibility at the No. 8 spot in the draft.

[unckeyherb 2]

F O C K !!!!!

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

It's looking more and more like the Eagles are in a rebuilding mode.

[The Next Generation 10]

F O C K !!!!!

 

Yup, would have really liked for them to keep him. I have no idea how they fill LT now? Maybe Herremans? Really, really makes me pissed that they traded away that 1st last year when they could have had Otah...WTF were they thinking?

[Eagles Green 34]

6-10 season. Unless something drastic happens draft day.

[The Next Generation 10]

6-10 season. Unless something drastic happens draft day.

 

Ehh...I'm not ready to throw in the towel just yet. But, damn, they make some curious decisions.

[Kilroy 0]

I think anyone calling for the Eagles to go 6-10 next season is overreacting just a bit.

 

Brian Dawkins is an Eagles icon, but you're going to have to deal without him at some point anyway. They probably knew they were going to replace him this offseason when they gave him his last extension (think it was 2-years ago).

 

Their also at a point where they're either forced to completely finish overturning the roster, or try and hang onto the last handful of guys that have hung around as they go into the final seasons of their career. Tra Thomas, Jon Runyan, Brian Dawkins - their all great players and will likely give the teams they play for this season very good production. I don't know that you want to be holding onto them til their very last days though.

 

Donovan McNabb and Brian Westbrook are the last two players remaining from Reid's core group of the last decade (guess you could include Akers also). They'll likely be selecting Westbrook's replacement in this years draft and as long as Andy Reid is the head coach here I've got to believe he'll start Kolb at some point because of what's been invested in him - not just the 2nd round pick itself, but also the 3-4 years of teaching him the system).

 

If the Eagles were offered enough in return for McNabb, I think they'd trade him now and either go with Kolb, or grab a free agent QB they were willing to start as Kolb got one last year of learning before getting the job in 2010 and finding out what happens with him.

 

There's also plenty of time left for them to make moves. More players will be getting cut. Some may still be getting traded. And we haven't even had the draft yet.

 

The defense remains in tact for the most part. The only major concern I'd have is with the OL. I'm starting to feel a lot better about Shawn Andrews being able to go this season. And if Stacy Andrews is as good as they expect him to be, the OL should again be pretty solid.

 

Reid has always been willing to move O-lineman around and it's been mentioned more than once that he feels Shawn Andrews could be just as good at LT and RT as he's been at RG. In reading about Stacy Andrews it's been mentioned many think he could move to a G position and still be pretty damn good. So if Reid really has that type of flexibility with those two, he should be able to make the OL a solid front this season.

 

Center is the one OL spot I'd like to see them bring more competition in at. If they don't add anyone there, I wonder if they'd give Nick Cole the chance to earn the starting nod.

 

The Eagles are definately going through a transition period, but I don't know if I would say their rebuilding - as if they're gonna slip to 6-10 and have no shot at the playoffs. Wait and see how things look come Opening Day.

[Milwalkeysbeast 0]

The Eagles are FAR from rebuilding mode. They are in a transitional phase, and have been in one for the last 1 or 2 years. They replaced their LB corps over the last 2 years, added Demps, Mikell, and Asante over the last few years to replace BDawk and Lito. They have spent god knows how many picks on D lineman, and Patterson/Bunkley are finally coming around. They have retooled their defense with youth and now should be entering a very good defensive phase (the defense carried them much of last year even though McNabb and co. got alot of credit they didn't deserve).

 

Offensively, I do agree they could have used last year to pick up Ota or Otah or however its spelled. They still have a pretty young offensive line and picking up Andrews was a good move. I still see them signing another free agent lineman as a stopgap for a year or 2 before the OL they pick in the first round is ready to become full time starter. I think that may be Runyan since they were unable to get a deal done with Thomas...but they won't do this until they see how he heals. I was upset they didn't go after Ward at RB, as he would have been nice insurance for Westbrook. I think Westy has a year or 2 left in him similar to Tiki. Reid hasn't shown much in the form of drafting RB, but I think he will draft someone in the 2nd or 3rd round to be the heir. WR I think they bring in Holt or another veteran to bring along Jackson and keep Curtis in the slot.

 

McNabb will be here for a year or 2. If he chooses to holdout, then the Eagles will simply go with Kolb. Its hard to say how Kolb will be because we haven't seen him, but QB is something I would actually trust being developed under Reid. I think Kolb would be alright if and when he has to step in.

 

I think the Eagles get younger this year, but its a trend that has been going on for the last 2 years. The big names from the failed Superbowl runs will all be leaving or be gone in the next few years, I just don't think any of us expected Dawkins, Thoms, AND Runyan all to go this year. The new crop should still be successful and hopefully continue from last year.

[GettnHuge 2]

Uggles fans are 'retarted'

[dhockster 0]

It's looking more and more like the Eagles are in a rebuilding mode.

 

In the NFL these days, you are always rebuilding.

 

This is the Eagles FO basic philosophy:

1) Don't commit long-term money to older players.

2) Let your older FA starters sign with other teams, giving you compensory draft picks.

3) Use the extra draft picks to make moves on draft day to get the players the FO wants.

4) Occasionally get a younger top name free agent that fills a need for hopefully a long period of time (Runyan, Kearse, Samuel).

5) Fill need positions several years before they become need positions.

 

I think judging their off season now, before free agency is done, and before the draft has occurred is premature.

 

The FO record of 7 playoff appearances in the last 9 years, with 10 playoff wins is pretty impressive. Yes, I would like to see them "go for it" one of these years and sign several top Free Agents, but that doesn't always work (see Kearse above).

 

The Defense should be very good this year, and assuming McNabb plays, and Westbrook has another RB to shoulder some of the load and keep him healthy and fresh, the offense should be fine as well. The OL will have some transition this year, but they have enough players coming back and a stable system, that I don't see it being a big problem.

 

Dan Snyder spends like crazy almost every year and what does he have to show for his efforts?

 

Just my two cents.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

In the NFL these days, you are always rebuilding.

 

This is the Eagles FO basic philosophy:

1) Don't commit long-term money to older players.

2) Let your older FA starters sign with other teams, giving you compensory draft picks.

3) Use the extra draft picks to make moves on draft day to get the players the FO wants.

4) Occasionally get a younger top name free agent that fills a need for hopefully a long period of time (Runyan, Kearse, Samuel).

5) Fill need positions several years before they become need positions.

 

I think judging their off season now, before free agency is done, and before the draft has occurred is premature.

 

The FO record of 7 playoff appearances in the last 9 years, with 10 playoff wins is pretty impressive. Yes, I would like to see them "go for it" one of these years and sign several top Free Agents, but that doesn't always work (see Kearse above).

 

The Defense should be very good this year, and assuming McNabb plays, and Westbrook has another RB to shoulder some of the load and keep him healthy and fresh, the offense should be fine as well. The OL will have some transition this year, but they have enough players coming back and a stable system, that I don't see it being a big problem.

 

Dan Snyder spends like crazy almost every year and what does he have to show for his efforts?

 

Just my two cents.

 

During that time period, one of the constants of the team was the offensive line strength. IMO, it is a very big question mark coming into this season, along with the health of Brian Westbrook.

 

It's not as easy as it sounds to move anyone out to LT (just ask Winston Justice). Anyone who thinks they can just plug Herrmans or Andrews there and not miss a beat is kidding themselves. Really. That position is prolly the 3rd most important on the offense (besides QB and center).

 

Here's what I see (and I'm prolly wrong, but whatever):

 

1. Management carrying over $20 million or so in cap room into next year b/c next year will be an uncapped year (so they will not be obligated to spend that money). IMO, I think Jeff Lurie has serious cash flow problems. Cap money is not Monopoly money.

2. Given what has transpired this off-season, this is it for McNabb. He'll play out this year, and he's gone after this season. As it stands, I don't think he's owed any guaranteed money at all. I would not be surprised at all if he's traded on draft day (maybe for Detroit's #20 pick and a 2nd/3rd round choice).

 

McNabb's got a year left, Westbrook probably two. Westbrook's a big question mark coming into THIS SEASON, because of the surgery and degenerative condition of his knee. If they are unable to draft a RB who can't pick up the offense quickly, they will again have to rely heavily on Westbrook (or God forbid, Booker).

 

I just don't see any logic behind what they're doing and how it translates to getting over the hump and back into the SB.

 

Sure, the defense should be better this year, but how well can they play if the offense can't score points, or can't sustain a drive of over 3 plays?

 

Now Daniel Snyder has never won anything, that's true. Neither has Jeff Lurie.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

I still see them signing another free agent lineman as a stopgap for a year or 2 before the OL they pick in the first round is ready to become full time starter. I think that may be Runyan since they were unable to get a deal done with Thomas...but they won't do this until they see how he heals.

 

Do you really want your stop-gap lineman being the LT and blind-side to your QB?

 

Even if you have a half decent LT, the rest of the division has gotten better up front on defense.

[dhockster 0]

During that time period, one of the constants of the team was the offensive line strength. IMO, it is a very big question mark coming into this season, along with the health of Brian Westbrook.

 

It's not as easy as it sounds to move anyone out to LT (just ask Winston Justice). Anyone who thinks they can just plug Herrmans or Andrews there and not miss a beat is kidding themselves. Really. That position is prolly the 3rd most important on the offense (besides QB and center).

 

Here's what I see (and I'm prolly wrong, but whatever):

 

1. Management carrying over $20 million or so in cap room into next year b/c next year will be an uncapped year (so they will not be obligated to spend that money). IMO, I think Jeff Lurie has serious cash flow problems. Cap money is not Monopoly money.

2. Given what has transpired this off-season, this is it for McNabb. He'll play out this year, and he's gone after this season. As it stands, I don't think he's owed any guaranteed money at all. I would not be surprised at all if he's traded on draft day (maybe for Detroit's #20 pick and a 2nd/3rd round choice).

 

McNabb's got a year left, Westbrook probably two. Westbrook's a big question mark coming into THIS SEASON, because of the surgery and degenerative condition of his knee. If they are unable to draft a RB who can't pick up the offense quickly, they will again have to rely heavily on Westbrook (or God forbid, Booker).

 

I just don't see any logic behind what they're doing and how it translates to getting over the hump and back into the SB.

 

Sure, the defense should be better this year, but how well can they play if the offense can't score points, or can't sustain a drive of over 3 plays?

 

Now Daniel Snyder has never won anything, that's true. Neither has Jeff Lurie.

 

So if I read what your saying correctly, your two main concerns heading into next year are left tackle and a complimentary running back. I would agree that those are the two main areas of need. I think because the Eagles have two possible big-time replacements at left tackle on their roster (Shawn Andrews or Todd Herremans) I am confident it will work out okay. In addition I think there is a good possibility they use their plethora of draft picks to move up in the first round to take a tackle to be the long-term solution. I am more concerned about them getting a big, move-the-pile type running back that they use to help out Westbrook, because Andy Reid has for some reason, never gotten one. If anything holds the Eagles back in '09 I think it will be their running game.

 

Again, though, I think the Eagles are in a great position to improve their team on draft day. So, lighten up. Even though the Eagles haven't won the big one in the last nine years, I would take their success during that time frame, over everyone except New England, Pittsburgh, and Indianapolis.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

So if I read what your saying correctly, your two main concerns heading into next year are left tackle and a complimentary running back. I would agree that those are the two main areas of need. I think because the Eagles have two possible big-time replacements at left tackle on their roster (Shawn Andrews or Todd Herremans) I am confident it will work out okay. In addition I think there is a good possibility they use their plethora of draft picks to move up in the first round to take a tackle to be the long-term solution. I am more concerned about them getting a big, move-the-pile type running back that they use to help out Westbrook, because Andy Reid has for some reason, never gotten one. If anything holds the Eagles back in '09 I think it will be their running game.

 

Again, though, I think the Eagles are in a great position to improve their team on draft day. So, lighten up. Even though the Eagles haven't won the big one in the last nine years, I would take their success during that time frame, over everyone except New England, Pittsburgh, and Indianapolis.

 

I hope moving someone out to left tackle is as easy as you're making it out to be.

 

Todd Herrmans, not a prototypical LT. Not a long guy.

Shawn Andrews is coming back from a bad back and some mental issues. Can you really depend on him?

If they draft a LT in the first round, is that guy gonna be ready to play?

 

If you're gonna pull a resource from somewhere to plug in, then you have to replace that guy (and so on, etc).

 

Again, the rest of the NFC East upgraded or maintained their defensive fronts. I can't remember the last time a team made it to the playoffs and/or the SB with a sub-par offensive line.

 

And if you want to look at improvement via the draft, Jackson is the only guy in the past few years that has been able to make an impact as a rookie. I think a rookie RB can do that next year, but he'll need to be special to pick up the offense.

 

This is why I'm concerned about next year and not two years from now, so I won't lighten up, chief.

[dhockster 0]

I hope moving someone out to left tackle is as easy as you're making it out to be.

 

Todd Herrmans, not a prototypical LT. Not a long guy.

Shawn Andrews is coming back from a bad back and some mental issues. Can you really depend on him?

If they draft a LT in the first round, is that guy gonna be ready to play?

 

If you're gonna pull a resource from somewhere to plug in, then you have to replace that guy (and so on, etc).

 

Again, the rest of the NFC East upgraded or maintained their defensive fronts. I can't remember the last time a team made it to the playoffs and/or the SB with a sub-par offensive line.

 

And if you want to look at improvement via the draft, Jackson is the only guy in the past few years that has been able to make an impact as a rookie. I think a rookie RB can do that next year, but he'll need to be special to pick up the offense.

 

This is why I'm concerned about next year and not two years from now, so I won't lighten up, chief.

 

No problem. If you think the Eagles are throwing away their chance next year by not addressing their biggest needs because Lurie's in financial trouble and won't spend the money, you are entitled to your opinion.

 

I would just say that nothing they have done this off season is inconsistent with the way they have managed the team for the last ten years. Based on their success over that time, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt when I question why they are doing something I don't agree with. I worry less and sleep better.

 

I hope in this case I am right, not because I want to be right, but that means we have a good season to look forward to in 2009.

[The Next Generation 10]

No problem. If you think the Eagles are throwing away their chance next year by not addressing their biggest needs because Lurie's in financial trouble and won't spend the money, you are entitled to your opinion.

 

I would just say that nothing they have done this off season is inconsistent with the way they have managed the team for the last ten years. Based on their success over that time, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt when I question why they are doing something I don't agree with. I worry less and sleep better.

 

I hope in this case I am right, not because I want to be right, but that means we have a good season to look forward to in 2009.

 

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

No problem. If you think the Eagles are throwing away their chance next year by not addressing their biggest needs because Lurie's in financial trouble and won't spend the money, you are entitled to your opinion.

 

I would just say that nothing they have done this off season is inconsistent with the way they have managed the team for the last ten years. Based on their success over that time, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt when I question why they are doing something I don't agree with. I worry less and sleep better.

 

I hope in this case I am right, not because I want to be right, but that means we have a good season to look forward to in 2009.

 

I hope you're right, too. But let's not forget they made the playoffs by the sking of their teeth last year, so it's not like the team was setting the world on fire to begin with.

 

Everything that's happened so far this off-season, they've gotten worse, not better. Hopefully there is a plan in place.

[Kilroy 0]

The Rams just released Orlando Pace. I wonder if the Eagles will have any interest in him replacing Tra Thomas. I can't really say I know what Pace has left, but I assume he's still regarded as one of the better LTs out there.

 

Then again, it seems like a parrellel move for the Eagles to go from Thomas to Pace. Not much age difference and I don't know if they'd get Pace any cheaper than they would have Thomas.

[9-Route 0]

The Rams just released Orlando Pace. I wonder if the Eagles will have any interest in him replacing Tra Thomas. I can't really say I know what Pace has left, but I assume he's still regarded as one of the better LTs out there.

 

Then again, it seems like a parrellel move for the Eagles to go from Thomas to Pace. Not much age difference and I don't know if they'd get Pace any cheaper than they would have Thomas.

 

pace is cooked. his health [shoulder] has made him into a player that cannot even be relied upon for 6-8 games, much less an entire season; furthermore, his level of play has dropped considerably. he would not even be at the "survive the nfc east rushers" level that thomas was able to maintain last season.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

pace is cooked. his health [shoulder] has made him into a player that cannot even be relied upon for 6-8 games, much less an entire season; furthermore, his level of play has dropped considerably. he would not even be at the "survive the nfc east rushers" level that thomas was able to maintain last season.

 

This is what I don't understand. Thomas was the best option at LT for the Eagles next season, based on what the rest of the division has done to revamp their own defensive lines.

 

Unless they have a plan via trade (LT Jason Peters from Buffalo, perhaps), I see this being a huge issue next year.

 

Anyone here who thinks a rookie LT is gonna come in here and do the job, in this division, is crazy.

[dhockster 0]

Interesting rumors about the Eagles acquiring Boldin and/or Pace.

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_..._to_Eagles.html

 

Getting Boldin would make the Eagles receivers very good. Desean as a deep threat, Boldin as your possession guy, and Curtis in the slot. If Celek continues to develop, McNabb should have plenty of options to throw to. Assuming he has time to throw.

 

While it would have made sense for the Eagles to sign Thomas for this year, there is no way, due to his age, that he was just going to go for a one year deal. The Eagles weren't going to sign him to a three year deal. While this may be short sighted for the upcoming year, that is just how they operate. And probably the reason they get close but never go all the way.

[unckeyherb 2]

Interesting rumors about the Eagles acquiring Boldin and/or Pace.

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_..._to_Eagles.html

 

Getting Boldin would make the Eagles receivers very good. Desean as a deep threat, Boldin as your possession guy, and Curtis in the slot. If Celek continues to develop, McNabb should have plenty of options to throw to. Assuming he has time to throw.

 

While it would have made sense for the Eagles to sign Thomas for this year, there is no way, due to his age, that he was just going to go for a one year deal. The Eagles weren't going to sign him to a three year deal. While this may be short sighted for the upcoming year, that is just how they operate. And probably the reason they get close but never go all the way.

I'd be perfectly happy with them throwing a couple of picks at the Cards, not sure what he has left on his contract. If they could get him to restructure for a longer period of time it would be worth it. I was very happy when they let Housh go without a fight. I'd say Boldin would immediately make a huge impact on this team and would make all around him better. Throw Carolina's first and a second at them. Hes worth it.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

I honestly don't think they'll get Boldin. Why would the Cards trade him to a conference rival to make them better?

 

I could realistically see them trade for Chad Johnson before Boldin.

 

Above all else, I'd like to see them trade for LT Jason Peters, from Buffalo. I thought I saw somewhere that at one point and time, there was speculation the Eagles were interested.

 

Would seem to make sense considering the lack of interest they had in resigning Tra Thomas. Maybe they know how much it'll take to get Peters and will make the move right before the draft?

 

IMO, WR is not the need right now. O-Line, RB, FB, and TE. Trade for Peters, sign Weaver, trade for Ocho Cinco, draft Pettigrew from OK and McCoy from Pitt. Boom. Done.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

I honestly don't think they'll get Boldin. Why would the Cards trade him to a conference rival to make them better?

 

Its a conference rival, not a division rival, big difference. Plus they wont play against each other next season.

 

Arizona wouldnt be considering a trade unless it could also make them better. WR is not the problem in Arizona, even when boldin was missing Arizona had a potent passing attack. They will use those draft picks on players that could help them in other spots. Plus philly has enough extra draftpicks that this wont hurt them down the line.

 

Depending on what the compensation is for Boldin i could see this trade improving both teams.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

Its a conference rival, not a division rival, big difference. Plus they wont play against each other next season.

 

Arizona wouldnt be considering a trade unless it could also make them better. WR is not the problem in Arizona, even when boldin was missing Arizona had a potent passing attack. They will use those draft picks on players that could help them in other spots. Plus philly has enough extra draftpicks that this wont hurt them down the line.

 

Depending on what the compensation is for Boldin i could see this trade improving both teams.

 

You do know they played in each other in the NFC Championship game, right?

 

U think the Patriots would trade Moss to the Colts?

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

You do know they played in each other in the NFC Championship game, right?

 

U think the Patriots would trade Moss to the Colts?

 

Completely different, Arizona is not a perennial powerhouse with a stacked roster. Arizona should not be thinking about what is going to happen when they make it to the playoffs, they need to be thinking how the hell do we make it back to the playoffs. And that is by upgrading at weak spots by trading away a malcontent.

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Completely different, Arizona is not a perennial powerhouse with a stacked roster. Arizona should not be thinking about what is going to happen when they make it to the playoffs, they need to be thinking how the hell do we make it back to the playoffs. And that is by upgrading at weak spots by trading away a malcontent.

 

I agree. When has Arizona ever made a decision based on who they might play in the playoffs? If they can get something for him that improves their team and the Eagles have the most to offer, then I think they would be willing to trade with the Eagles.

 

The other thing I think that makes it more likely that the Eagles would try to this would be that if they get Boldin, the Giants don't. Boldin going to the Giants would pretty much be a worst case scenario for the Eagles.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

Completely different, Arizona is not a perennial powerhouse with a stacked roster. Arizona should not be thinking about what is going to happen when they make it to the playoffs, they need to be thinking how the hell do we make it back to the playoffs. And that is by upgrading at weak spots by trading away a malcontent.

 

Arizona's not a perennial powerhouse, but they are the defending NFC champs. Hard to believe they'll be a one year wonder, considering a majority of their key players will be around next year.

 

What would you like to wager that Boldin neither gets traded to Philly nor NYG?

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

Arizona's not a perennial powerhouse, but they are the defending NFC champs. Hard to believe they'll be a one year wonder, considering a majority of their key players will be around next year.

 

What would you like to wager that Boldin neither gets traded to Philly nor NYG?

 

The superbowl losers have such a great track record of being great the next year.

 

Not buying it, Arizona needs to try as hard as they can to make the playoffs. Giants and Eagles are no lock to get Boldin, but if they provide the best package Arizona wont be turning them down.

[9-Route 0]

The superbowl losers have such a great track record of being great the next year.

 

Not buying it, Arizona needs to try as hard as they can to make the playoffs. Giants and Eagles are no lock to get Boldin, but if they provide the best package Arizona wont be turning them down.

 

1] true regarding SB runners-up, but this squad has 3 things going for it: one, a high level offense that can turn it on to win some games it should normally lose; two, rising experience and savvy from their SB run; three, a still up-and-down divison and conference where getting hot at the right time can make the SB run difference.

 

2] boldin seems destined for a move. the cards already did not acquiesce to warner's demands of market value for a top5 stat qb and SB leader at the position [$14-16M/yr]. he got $11.5M/yr; fitzgerald is getting $10M/yr; they have already denied boldin's $$ demands, so he is obviously worth 3rd to them among these three players---he is not gonna get the $$$ he wants. tjhoush got $40M at $8M/yr avg, and lav coles even got $28M/4yrs for a $7M avg; boldin will want fitz/moss $$, and it is not likely to be given in arizona.

 

philly has two 1s, and those picks could help arizona fuel their defense in exchange for boldin; new york has uncertainty on burress, and provides the top situation for making another SB run. who else is a wr away? minny? tampa has $$$$, but no qb yet.

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This is what I don't understand. Thomas was the best option at LT for the Eagles next season, based on what the rest of the division has done to revamp their own defensive lines.

 

Unless they have a plan via trade (LT Jason Peters from Buffalo, perhaps), I see this being a huge issue next year.

 

Anyone here who thinks a rookie LT is gonna come in here and do the job, in this division, is crazy.

 

good point: two players who did not play a game in this division last yr are haynesworth [was not there] and umenyiora [injury]. this is not the time to have o-line issues.

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Latest on the Eagles offseason is that they're trying to sign FB Leonard Weaver.

 

He'd be a very welcomed addition there considering what we've had at FB in the past. He also knows the WCO and his considered a solid rusher and receiver, as well as being a good blocker. Seems like he'd make a lot of sense here in Philly if they sign him.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

good point: two players who did not play a game in this division last yr are haynesworth [was not there] and umenyiora [injury]. this is not the time to have o-line issues.

 

Too many questions marks on offense right now without answers.

[The Next Generation 10]

Latest on the Eagles offseason is that they're trying to sign FB Leonard Weaver.

 

He'd be a very welcomed addition there considering what we've had at FB in the past. He also knows the WCO and his considered a solid rusher and receiver, as well as being a good blocker. Seems like he'd make a lot of sense here in Philly if they sign him.

 

The player rep for free agent FB Leonard Weaver thinks his client should be paid like a tailback.

No wonder he hasn't taken many visits. Weaver offers third-down value and might help in short yardage in another system, but won't find anyone willing to pay him like Derrick Ward. Only the Eagles are showing interest currently.

 

 

UGH...unless they change their stance, I doubt the Eagles will bite.