Who is Jamal Lewis replacement?

[Super Cubs 154]

Does the Browns have a RB set to be Jamal's replacement? If so who?

 

He will be 30 at the start of the season and has had a really good career so far. He has a SB ring and he's been paid, but he is not getting any younger. I looking for a late round player to take a chance on in my deep keeper league.

[Phurfur 70]

Jerome Harrison is listed #2 on the depth charts. Last year I thought he looked better than Lewis when he played. Other than that I have no insight on the subject.

[the_risen_demon 0]

I don't think he's on the roster yet.

[joebrowns12 0]

Tough to tell who would replace Jamal due to ineffectiveness or injury. Jerome Harrison has shown some real potential, but Romeo refused to play him because he didn't pick up the blitz well. I think he could see some significant playing time if he either improves in that area or Mangini looks past it.

 

I could also see James Davis, our sixth round pick, get some playing time. Fantasy wise, i don't think there is a guy in the backfield worth looking at.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

He most definitely isn't on the team. Harrison flashed some homerun potential, but I don't ever see him being a starter in this league. Lewis is in his twilight and even though he's lost a lot of his top-end speed, he still runs HARD. He'll stick around the league for another 3-5 years, but this is probably his last as a starter.

 

For the sake of his career I hope they dont officially bring in a replacement until the abortion that will be the Mangina era is over.

[DocNiner 70]

I too don't think their eventual replacement for Lewis is on the roster yet and probably won't be until next year. I had high hopes for Harrison a few years ago but he really hasn't shown me much so I have no faith in him as a full-time starter. Don't know much about their rookie James Davis other than he may have an attitude problem which may or may not be correctable. Who knows with today's players.

 

'08 was Harrison best year to date with 34 rushes/246 yds/1 td and 12 recpt/116 yds/1 td. He's had problems health wise. 10 games in '06, 8 games in '07 and 15 games in '08. Can't back that as him being the starter. I think they'll run the wheels off Lewis this year, go rbbc with the rest and realize that RB has to be their first pick next year or they're doomed to join the ranks of the bottom feeders.

 

They get rid of Winslow, Stallworth's worthless and Braylon may be talented but does he want to give his all for an orginization that can't put it together? Doubt it. Just my opinion but they need a complete overall and being a 49ers fan I know about needing an overhaul,lol.

 

At this point I'd almost bet they go after a running back with their 1st pick next year. Not much talent or value fantasy wise on the Brownies this year. I wish them luck though.

[Frank M 181]

He most definitely isn't on the team. Harrison flashed some homerun potential, but I don't ever see him being a starter in this league. Lewis is in his twilight and even though he's lost a lot of his top-end speed, he still runs HARD. He'll stick around the league for another 3-5 years, but this is probably his last as a starter.

 

For the sake of his career I hope they dont officially bring in a replacement until the abortion that will be the Mangina era is over.

 

 

Wow. Not a down played and the Mangini era is already going to be an "abortion".

 

What other predictions do you have there, Nostradumbass?

[Frank M 181]

At this point I'd almost bet they go after a running back with their 1st pick next year. Not much talent or value fantasy wise on the Brownies this year. I wish them luck though.

 

 

With the depth they're attempting to build on the offensive line, I think this is the case. Lewis gets the bulk of the carries this year with Harrison going maybe 600 yds and 5 TDs.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Wow. Not a down played and the Mangini era is already going to be an "abortion".

 

What other predictions do you have there, Nostradumbass?

 

Have you seen the Browns roster? Have you watched a Jets game the past couple seasons? Not hard to put two and two together there chief.

 

And I predict you won't make 1 relevant post in this entire thread.

[joebrowns12 0]

As you can guess by my name, i am a browns fan. I have some bias absolutely, and i admit to be a bit of a browns homer. With that said, i don't understand the hate for Mangini. First 10 weeks of the season he was "mangenuis" again, then the qb's arm falls apart losing them games they could have won and all of a sudden Eric Mangini is the dumbest coach in the league. I don't think he's a genuis and i don't think he's an idiot. As usual, the New York media has overreacted one way or the other and, of course, fans have followed suit.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

As you can guess by my name, i am a browns fan. I have some bias absolutely, and i admit to be a bit of a browns homer. With that said, i don't understand the hate for Mangini. First 10 weeks of the season he was "mangenuis" again, then the qb's arm falls apart losing them games they could have won and all of a sudden Eric Mangini is the dumbest coach in the league. I don't think he's a genuis and i don't think he's an idiot. As usual, the New York media has overreacted one way or the other and, of course, fans have followed suit.

 

I've never called him Mangenius, I thought he was a bad coach in 2007. 2006 was a fluke. He's an arrogant ass and an overglorified coordinator. The New York media does blow things out of proportion but I could care less about what anybody on the east coast says about anything. He's a garbage coach and his record proves it. He's now coaching a team with less talent. I don't see this marriage ending well.

 

Not a personal attack on you by any means, I just hate Eric Mangina.

[joebrowns12 0]

I've never called him Mangenius, I thought he was a bad coach in 2007. 2006 was a fluke. He's an arrogant ass and an overglorified coordinator. The New York media does blow things out of proportion but I could care less about what anybody on the east coast says about anything. He's a garbage coach and his record proves it. He's now coaching a team with less talent. I don't see this marriage ending well.

 

Not a personal attack on you by any means, I just hate Eric Mangina.

 

I'm just not sure how a .500 or so record with a team that was 4-12 before he arrives makes him a garbage coach. Might not be the greatest, but he's not terrible and the record doesn't prove that.

 

Patriots fan by any chance?

[49ER MAN 0]

I too don't think their eventual replacement for Lewis is on the roster yet and probably won't be until next year. I had high hopes for Harrison a few years ago but he really hasn't shown me much so I have no faith in him as a full-time starter. Don't know much about their rookie James Davis other than he may have an attitude problem which may or may not be correctable. Who knows with today's players.

 

'08 was Harrison best year to date with 34 rushes/246 yds/1 td and 12 recpt/116 yds/1 td. He's had problems health wise. 10 games in '06, 8 games in '07 and 15 games in '08. Can't back that as him being the starter. I think they'll run the wheels off Lewis this year, go rbbc with the rest and realize that RB has to be their first pick next year or they're doomed to join the ranks of the bottom feeders.

 

They get rid of Winslow, Stallworth's worthless and Braylon may be talented but does he want to give his all for an orginization that can't put it together? Doubt it. Just my opinion but they need a complete overall and being a 49ers fan I know about needing an overhaul,lol.

 

At this point I'd almost bet they go after a running back with their 1st pick next year. Not much talent or value fantasy wise on the Brownies this year. I wish them luck though.

 

It's amazing how far the Browns fell from 2007 to 2008. This franchise obviously has major problems everywhere and depending upon the QB situation, they could be set back for years. They had so much promise coming into last year and it all fell apart.

[joebrowns12 0]

It's amazing how far the Browns fell from 2007 to 2008. This franchise obviously has major problems everywhere and depending upon the QB situation, they could be set back for years. They had so much promise coming into last year and it all fell apart.

 

I don't think we're nearly as bad as the end of the year looked. We weren't good at any point last year, except that Monday nighter against the Giants, but i'm confident we'll be better than we were during the Dorsey/Gradkowski era (the last few weeks).

[49ER MAN 0]

I don't think we're nearly as bad as the end of the year looked. We weren't good at any point last year, except that Monday nighter against the Giants, but i'm confident we'll be better than we were during the Dorsey/Gradkowski era (the last few weeks).

 

Starting Gradkowski and Dorsey had to be very brutal. The Browns should be better as I think they can be 6-10 if everything comes together.

[joebrowns12 0]

I don't think we're nearly as bad as the end of the year looked. We weren't good at any point last year, except that Monday nighter against the Giants, but i'm confident we'll be better than we were during the Dorsey/Gradkowski era (the last few weeks).

 

Easier schedule this year. Last years schedule was brutal. Im not expecting it, but it wouldn't shock me if the Browns are .500 this year. Just think about how down and out the Dolphins and Falcons were this time last year.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I'm just not sure how a .500 or so record with a team that was 4-12 before he arrives makes him a garbage coach. Might not be the greatest, but he's not terrible and the record doesn't prove that.

 

Patriots fan by any chance?

 

He's 23-25 for his career. The Jets were god-awful in 2007 and completely choked their way out of the playoffs last season. Every Jets game I've watched (especially the Seattle Game this season) he usually gets outcoached and his playcalling is a joke. He also forces players into his system rather then adapting to the talent of his players...Pennington and Vilma really come to mind there.

 

He has two winning seasons, and the most recent one ended in an atrociously awful choking slide. His first one was smoke and mirrors and taking advantage of the AFC East being weaker then usual...The Pats were missing playmakers, the Dolphins were reeling from the Culpepper signing, and Buffalo was Buffalo. Then he spends 2007 jerking around one of the main guys responsible for his 10 win season with Chad Pennington.

 

In 2008 the Jets got off to a hot start, but as soon as Favre's arm went dead Mangina had nothing up his sleeve. He had no idea how to right the ship and completely lost his team. Bellichick has made a career out of overcoming adversity and always having an answer when things stop going his team's way (insert cheating joke here). Mangina has shown none of that.

 

So after slumming with Romeo Crennel what do the Browns go and do? They hire another Bellichick retread. Brilliant.

 

And when I said I could care less what anybody on the east coast has to say about anything, that should have ruled me out as a Pats fan.

[Frank M 181]

He's 23-25 for his career. The Jets were god-awful in 2007 and completely choked their way out of the playoffs last season. Every Jets game I've watched (especially the Seattle Game this season) he usually gets outcoached and his playcalling is a joke. He also forces players into his system rather then adapting to the talent of his players...Pennington and Vilma really come to mind there.

 

He has two winning seasons, and the most recent one ended in an atrociously awful choking slide. His first one was smoke and mirrors and taking advantage of the AFC East being weaker then usual...The Pats were missing playmakers, the Dolphins were reeling from the Culpepper signing, and Buffalo was Buffalo. Then he spends 2007 jerking around one of the main guys responsible for his 10 win season with Chad Pennington.

 

In 2008 the Jets got off to a hot start, but as soon as Favre's arm went dead Mangina had nothing up his sleeve. He had no idea how to right the ship and completely lost his team. Bellichick has made a career out of overcoming adversity and always having an answer when things stop going his team's way (insert cheating joke here). Mangina has shown none of that.

 

So after slumming with Romeo Crennel what do the Browns go and do? They hire another Bellichick retread. Brilliant.

 

And when I said I could care less what anybody on the east coast has to say about anything, that should have ruled me out as a Pats fan.

 

Belichik was one of the worst coaches I've ever seen when he coached the Browns. Not only did he manage only one winning season in five years, but in 1993, with the Browns in first place in the AFC Central,he released Bernie Kosar, the starting QB at the time, with Vinny Testaverde injured, forcing them to start Todd Philcox, leading to a 2-7 record in their last nine games and a 7-9 season.

 

Now he's a lock for the Hall of Fame. See the point?

 

If you're going to make analogies, make sure you know what you're talking about.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Belichik was one of the worst coaches I've ever seen when he coached the Browns. Not only did he manage only one winning season in five years, but in 1993, with the Browns in first place in the AFC Central,he released Bernie Kosar, the starting QB at the time, with Vinny Testaverde injured, forcing them to start Todd Philcox, leading to a 2-7 record in their last nine games and a 7-9 season.

 

Now he's a lock for the Hall of Fame. See the point?

 

If you're going to make analogies, make sure you know what you're talking about.

 

And for every Bellichik there are plenty of Rich Kotites and Ray Rhodes. See the point?

 

I know what I'm talking about. Mangina is a bad coach who is too arrogant to change his ways. The worst thing that could have happened to him was winning coach of the year in his first season, now his sh!t doesn't stink and he gets to get paid off of one fluke season.

 

But the front seat on the bandwagon is all yours chief.

[Frank M 181]

And for every Bellichik there are plenty of Rich Kotites and Ray Rhodes. See the point?

 

I know what I'm talking about. Mangina is a bad coach who is too arrogant to change his ways. The worst thing that could have happened to him was winning coach of the year in his first season, now his sh!t doesn't stink and he gets to get paid off of one fluke season.

 

But the front seat on the bandwagon is all yours chief.

 

 

I haven't said the Browns are going to be great this year or ever. I think they'll be average this year at best. I think it's stupid to say a coach will never have success.

 

You were the one who brought up Belichik and how he's made a career out of overcoming adversity and "always having an answer". Which is wrong.

[Ray_T 753]

well, now that we are talking about belichick, the fact he has done well in NE does not mean he would do well elsewhere.

 

A coaches ability to do well is affected by a number of things:

 

1) the GM

2) the assistant coaches

3) the scouting staff and the talent they bring in for the coach to work with

4) the ownership & organization of the team

 

if the GM or the ownership is constantly telling the coach how to do his job, then the result is going to be different in most cases. (sometimes better, but usually worse) sometimes this means that the coach has to hire assistants that he doesnt want, or keep players he doesnt want. It may also affect the way you handle Malcontents in the dressing room, and stars on the field.

 

also: if you as a coach think the talent on defense is best suited to a Tampa 2 defense, but the GM insists you use a different one, guess what. He's your boss, and you do what he says or you are gone.

 

A coach does not just magically become the best in the league after being among the worst in the league. There are bigger reasons for a turnaround of this proportion. I agree, Belichick probably learned a thing or two from his failure in Cleveland, but I think it just shows that if you move from a poor organization to a good one, the results can be a lot different.

 

either way, back to the topic at hand: I think there is a good chance that Lewis's Replacement has yet to be drafted. Harrison may be the temporary solution if the wheels totally fall off for Lewis, but I dont know if he can cut it. I also dont know much about the rookie.

 

this is my best guess. the Browns next 1st round pick will likely be a RB.

[GrimeCity 0]

Yea i think that they are gonna try too ride it out wit J.Lewis.

[joebrowns12 0]

With some really good defensive line prospects possibly being in the draft next year, as well as Eric Berry and Taylor Mays, i would be absolutely floored if the Browns go RB next year in the first round.

[Frank M 181]

well, now that we are talking about belichick, the fact he has done well in NE does not mean he would do well elsewhere.

 

Just as you cannot predict a coach's future success or failure based on his first stint as a head coach.

[daltex 0]

James Davis went mid-2nd round in my Dynasty Rookie draft - he's your keeper sleeper for Jamal. He's got potential, but very little for this year unless Jamal gets hurt.

[Ray_T 753]

Just as you cannot predict a coach's future success or failure based on his first stint as a head coach.

I totally agree. and rookie coaches usually have some of the decisions made for them by the GM or the organization. Indirectly, that was what I was saying in my post.

[Frank M 181]

I totally agree. and rookie coaches usually have some of the decisions made for them by the GM or the organization. Indirectly, that was what I was saying in my post.

 

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I haven't said the Browns are going to be great this year or ever. I think they'll be average this year at best. I think it's stupid to say a coach will never have success.

 

You were the one who brought up Belichik and how he's made a career out of overcoming adversity and "always having an answer". Which is wrong.

 

Cool. I still think he's a garbage coach. If he proves me wrong on that then fan-freaking-tastic. Based on what I've seen of his playcalling the past couple seasons I don't think that will be the case.

 

Tell you what, give me your mailing address, and if The Browns win 8 games this year I'll bake you a plate of cookies and send them your way.

[R8RMick 242]

Reading this thread, I cannot believe Cleveland did not back up the brinks truck to Michael Turner last off-season. My God! Can you imagine the Burner running behind this Browns O-line?

 

As for Mangini... I remember watching the Raider-Jets game last season where it was obvious early in the contest that no Raider could come near, much less bring down, Thomas Jones. Yet Mangenius proceeds to let Favre throw the ball something like 17 straight times in the first quarter, straight into the strength of the Oakland defense.

 

I think the quarter ended in a 0-0 tie, the Jets blew the game, and TJ rushed for 170+ yds.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Reading this thread, I cannot believe Cleveland did not back up the brinks truck to Michael Turner last off-season. My God! Can you imagine the Burner running behind this Browns O-line?

 

As for Mangini... I remember watching the Raider-Jets game last season where it was obvious early in the contest that no Raider could come near, much less bring down, Thomas Jones. Yet Mangenius proceeds to let Favre throw the ball something like 17 straight times in the first quarter, straight into the strength of the Oakland defense.

 

I think the quarter ended in a 0-0 tie, the Jets blew the game, and TJ rushed for 170+ yds.

 

Because Mangina is a garbage coach.

 

How long did it take for Bellichik to get another head job after his Cleveland gig? And this ass-jockey gets a job fresh off his firing? Off of one fluke season?!!? The rest of the teams in their division are laughing their asses off. Not that anybody has had to be worried about the Browns this past decade. Being a Bengals fan doesn't sound all that bad.