Who will be this years Matt Forte?

[kmbryant09 1]

I know how to add and divide, thanks very much. I didn't do anything with rush yards, receiving yards, TDs. I looked at the FF points each player scored for weeks 1-10 and divided them by the games played. I used 1 pt/10 yards rush, 1 pt/10 yards receiving, and 6 pts/TD, no ppr. The database I used does use decimal scoring, but that doesn't explain the incorrect numbers you have.

MJD

week 1-18.3

week 2- 8.3

week 3-32.7

week 4-10.0

week 5- 5.7

week 6-35.8

week 7-BYE

week 8-29.3

week 9-19.4

week10-20.5

total--180 FF points (divided by 9 games)=20 FF ppg, not 18.4, as you have. Even if you eliminated the decimal scoring, it would be 19.6 ppg, not 18.4.

MJD

week 11-14.4

week 12-11.0

week 13- 8.2

week 14-14.3

week 15-26.0

week 16- 9.8

total---83.7 FF points (divided by 6 games)=14 FF ppg, not 12.17, as you have. If you eliminate the decimal scoring, it would be 13.7 FF ppg.

 

So, 20-14=6 FF ppg difference, which is 30%, not 34%. If you eliminate the decimal scoring, the ppg difference is 5.9 FF ppg, which is still a 30% difference, not 34%.

 

I'm not going to bother doing the other guys AGAIN, because I don't feel like taking the time again to do so. My numbers are correct, I'm not sure where you are getting yours from.

I really wish it didn't have to come down to this...but also - you realize your argument with me has now boiled down to 30% and not 34%???

 

Week 1 - 97 rushing yards, 26 receiving yards, 1 TD = 17 points

Week 2 - 66 rushing yards, 17 receiving yards, 0 TD = 7 points

Week 3 - 119 rushing yards, 28 receiving yards, 3 TD = 31 points

Week 4 - 14 rushing yards, 26 receiving yards, 1 TD = 9 points

Week 5 - 34 rushing yards, 23 receiving yards, 0 TD = 5 points

Week 6 - 133 rushing yards, 45 receiving yards, 3 TD = 35 points

Week 7 - BYE

Week 8 - 177 rushing yards, -4 receiving yards, 2 TD = 29 points

Week 9 - 97 rushing yards, 37 receiving yards, 1 TD = 18 points

Week 10 - 123 rushing yards, 22 receiving yards, 1 TD = 20 points

Week 11 - 66 rushing yards, 18 receiving yards, 1 TD = 13 points

 

Total = 184 points, 10 games = 18.4 ppg

 

Week 12 - 75 rushing yards, 35 receiving yards, 0 TD = 10 points

Week 13 - 76 rushing yards, 6 receiving yards, 0 TD = 7 points

Week 14 - 59 rushing yards, 24 receiving yards, 1 TD = 13 points

Week 15 - 110 rushing yards, 30 receiving yards, 2 TD = 26 points

Week 16 - 63 rushing yards, 35 receiving yards, 0 TD = 9 points

Week 17 - 82 rushing yards, 6 receiving yards, 0 TD = 8 points

 

Total = 73 points, 6 games = 12.17 ppg

 

((18.4-12.17)/18.4)*100 = 33.8%

 

Like I said - I spelled out for you how I did my math (standard scoring, no decimal, on a week-to-week basis). I don't mind that you question my opinions or arguments, but it gets a little annoying when you continually question my math skills.

[kmbryant09 1]

And Houston - how can you so positively say Garrard is going to have a bounce-back year.

 

Last year was right in line with his career performances, barring 2007.

-It was actually his 2nd highest QB rating of his career as a starter.

-He was 23 passing yards shy of his career best.

-He accounted for the 2nd most TD's of his career.

 

Last year was actually EERILY similar to the season he had before last:

2008: 3,620 passing yards 322 rushing yards 17 TD's, 16 turnovers.

2009: 3,597 passing yards 323 rushing yards 18 TD's, 18 turnovers.

 

So it's a given he bounces back, right? According to this, he'd bounce back to exactly the same season.

[jdon 28]

Personally, I enjoyed the debate (remnant of fond college debate team memories, I suppose). There is obviously a vast difference in terms of strategies involved between oral and written argument, and I must confess that all three of the main characters involved here (Houston Texans, RosterDoc, and kmbryant09) showed above average ability in written debate. As is usually not the case on impersonal web boards, nobody digressed to unintelligent name-calling and insult, but stuck to the "facts", as they perceived, calculated, and understood them, under the general debate topic: "Will MJD, as a consensus top 3 or 4 pick this year in fantasy drafts, vastly underperform his ADP, not to mention the expectations of his fantasy owners; why or why not?"

 

I would gladly and impartially pick a "winner" here but, unfortunately, am unable. It is clearly a draw. The reasons for this conclusion are as follows:

 

Houston Texans, although at a disadvantage numerically, generally showed more poise, was slightly better grammatically, and demonstrated a bit more "gentleman doggedness" in keeping to the core of his argument throughout his written communication. He (or she) has a keen ability to drag his opponent back into the "frame" of the debate if and when they attempt to alter course somewhat.

 

 

RosterDoc and kmbryant09, although slightly bested in the tangible aspects of debate, pulled back even through the ever-important intangibles. Mainly, they left the neutral reader (in my case) with the impression that they more heartily believed the legitimacy and validity of their side (whether true or not...impression is 50% of debate) and, as a result, presented an ever-so-slighty more intriguing argument. RosterDoc landed one final glancing blow when he offered continued private debate that was left unaccepted.

 

All parties involved ended the debate equitably upon realization that no further progress could be attained. Good show....and I will now watch MJD's season more closely to see who had the better fantasy grasp.

 

what the ###### are you talking about? seriously, commmentary on commentary? I'd rather drink terpentine and piss on a brush fire than read this tripe.

[stonewall 647]

what the ###### are you talking about? seriously, commmentary on commentary? I'd rather drink terpentine and piss on a brush fire than read this tripe.

 

 

Seriously, a quote from Young Guns II?

 

(and it's turpentine)

[jdon 28]

Seriously, a quote from Young Guns II?

 

(and it's turpentine)

 

 

I live my life one young guns movie at a time...

[stonewall 647]

I live my life one young guns movie at a time...

 

 

"He aint all there, is he?"

[Houston Texans 10]

I really wish it didn't have to come down to this...but also - you realize your argument with me has now boiled down to 30% and not 34%???

 

Week 1 - 97 rushing yards, 26 receiving yards, 1 TD = 17 points

Week 2 - 66 rushing yards, 17 receiving yards, 0 TD = 7 points

Week 3 - 119 rushing yards, 28 receiving yards, 3 TD = 31 points

Week 4 - 14 rushing yards, 26 receiving yards, 1 TD = 9 points

Week 5 - 34 rushing yards, 23 receiving yards, 0 TD = 5 points

Week 6 - 133 rushing yards, 45 receiving yards, 3 TD = 35 points

Week 7 - BYE

Week 8 - 177 rushing yards, -4 receiving yards, 2 TD = 29 points

Week 9 - 97 rushing yards, 37 receiving yards, 1 TD = 18 points

Week 10 - 123 rushing yards, 22 receiving yards, 1 TD = 20 points

Week 11 - 66 rushing yards, 18 receiving yards, 1 TD = 13 points

 

Total = 184 points, 10 games = 18.4 ppg

 

Week 12 - 75 rushing yards, 35 receiving yards, 0 TD = 10 points

Week 13 - 76 rushing yards, 6 receiving yards, 0 TD = 7 points

Week 14 - 59 rushing yards, 24 receiving yards, 1 TD = 13 points

Week 15 - 110 rushing yards, 30 receiving yards, 2 TD = 26 points

Week 16 - 63 rushing yards, 35 receiving yards, 0 TD = 9 points

Week 17 - 82 rushing yards, 6 receiving yards, 0 TD = 8 points

 

Total = 73 points, 6 games = 12.17 ppg

 

((18.4-12.17)/18.4)*100 = 33.8%

 

Like I said - I spelled out for you how I did my math (standard scoring, no decimal, on a week-to-week basis). I don't mind that you question my opinions or arguments, but it gets a little annoying when you continually question my math skills.

Dude, seriously, what's your problem?

 

When did I question your "math skills?" Read my post, I specifically say that I got my numbers from a database, then I showed you the numbers that database provided for MJD. Then I said "my numbers are right, I don't know where you are getting yours from." My numbers ARE right, I checked the database again, and then I compared them with my main MFL league. They're the same. I don't know if your stats are deducting fumbles, or if there is some other variable involved. You seem to be taking this debate way too personally. Let's leave it the same way the other poster and I left it. You have your opinion, and I have mine.

 

BTW-in a previous post, you said you don't see the difference between physically wearing down and wearing down, FF points wise. That's fine, and I understand what you mean. However, in another posters' post (that's confusing), it was made clear that he was referring to physically wearing down, as mention was made of the number of carries taking it's toll, his body was getting beat up because he had to fight for every inch, etc. That's why I was discussing physically wearing down.

[Houston Texans 10]

And Houston - how can you so positively say Garrard is going to have a bounce-back year.

 

So it's a given he bounces back, right? According to this, he'd bounce back to exactly the same season.

I apologize for saying "lets leave it at you have your opinion and I have mine," and then posting this 1 last post, but I didn't read this post previously.

 

I never said what is bolded above. I CAN say that I BELIEVE Garrard should bounce back, because that is my opinion (I never said "Garrard is guaranteed to bounce back," not sure where you're getting that.)

 

As far as bouncing back, I thought it was clear by my previous posts that I was talking about his ability to run Jacksonville's offense effectively. Basically to be a game manager. When I think about game manager QBs, I think about the ability to make key plays (usually on 3rd downs) and to avoid turnovers (INTs). After checking the numbers, however, I found that Garrard was better on 3rd downs in 2010 than he was in previous years. His TD-to-INT ratio in 2009 was slightly lower than his career average, but not significantly so.

 

So, I would have to say I was wrong in the statement that "Garrard will bounce back in 2010." I still think he has room to improve, as I believe that Jacksonville will have a better O-line and better D, which should take some pressure off of him.

[jaguilar2549 0]

I am sorry, but I don't see how so many people are buying into this guy? The last 8 of 10 games he played were against the leagues worst rushing defenses. That is the only reason I took a gamble on him last year when I picked him up. Yes he has talent and I think he will be a good RB this year, but not anywhere near where he is being projected and the level being discussed. This guy has Matt Forte written all over him, good luck with the Kool-Aid.

[PackYourNut 47]

I am sorry, but I don't see how so many people are buying into this guy? The last 8 of 10 games he played were against the leagues worst rushing defenses. That is the only reason I took a gamble on him last year when I picked him up. Yes he has talent and I think he will be a good RB this year, but not anywhere near where he is being projected and the level being discussed. This guy has Matt Forte written all over him, good luck with the Kool-Aid.

 

 

WTF, didn't you already post this in another thread?

[Gepetto 1,370]

I am sorry, but I don't see how so many people are buying into this guy? The last 8 of 10 games he played were against the leagues worst rushing defenses. That is the only reason I took a gamble on him last year when I picked him up. Yes he has talent and I think he will be a good RB this year, but not anywhere near where he is being projected and the level being discussed. This guy has Matt Forte written all over him, good luck with the Kool-Aid.

 

Who are you talking about?