jocstrap 8 Posted June 15, 2011 Thank you Moz for posting team rosters on the main board. I'll be curious to hear what the public has to say, and love to hear their feedback. But more importantly, I would like to hear what our league members think, judge, rate, and analyze of each team. This is great for our league, but will help us rise to the top in our other leagues that we have not drafted in yet. #1 I'm asking for a team rating of 1-12 #2 refer to #1 and let's see how good you really are at seasons end Notes: you fockers keep saying it's a mandatory 3 wr league + 2 flex positions. Yet you keep wanting to fill wr's into these flex positions. Why is that when RB's easily outproduce Wr's in this scoring format? I will take any of you fockers on using a 4wr/5wr vs 2/rb/1rb flex format anyday. I'm going RB heavy - 3 every focking week will be in my lineup, and will kick your ass. I don't understand why you all are so entrenched that wr's are better in this league. It's proven that rb's score higher points on average. Non the less...let's get it on... I will rank the teams 1-12 and give an analysis. I hope you all will do the same in the next few weeks I'm laying the parameters, let's discuss and gain more knowledge as ff participants 2011 round pick team player position 1 1 dehaven Andre Johnson WR 2 12 dehaven Mike Wallace WR 3 1 dehaven Wes Welker WR 4 12 dehaven LaGarette Blount RB 5 1 dehaven Jimmy Graham TE 6 12 dehaven Ryan Grant RB 7 1 dehaven Ryan Williams RB 8 12 dehaven Chris 'Beanie' Wells RB 9 1 dehaven Jordy Nelson WR 10 12 dehaven Sam Bradford QB 11 1 dehaven Arrelious Benn WR 12 12 dehaven Montario Hardesty RB 13 1 dehaven Aaron Hernandez TE 14 12 dehaven Jacquizz Rodgers RB 15 1 dehaven Kyle Orton QB 16 12 dehaven Golden Tate WR 17 1 dehaven Baltimore Ravens D 18 12 dehaven round pick team player position 1 2 famousb LeSean McCoy RB keeper 2 11 famousb Greg Jennings WR 3 2 famousb Tom Brady QB 4 11 famousb Ryan Mathews RB 5 2 famousb Percy Harvin WR 6 11 famousb Joseph Addai RB 7 2 famousb Danny Amendola WR 8 11 famousb Brandon Jacobs RB 9 2 famousb Brandon Pettigrew TE 10 11 famousb Mike Tolbert RB 11 2 famousb Randy Moss WR 12 11 famousb Malcolm Floyd WR 13 2 famousb Jermaine Gresham TE 14 11 famousb Danny Woodhead RB 15 2 famousb Cam Newton QB 16 11 famousb Dwayne Harris WR 17 2 famousb Arizona Cardinals D 18 11 famousb John Kasay K round pick team player position 1 3 ahill Maurice Jones Drew RB 2 10 ahill Aaron Rodgers QB 3 3 ahill Dwayne Bowe WR 4 10 ahill Jonathan Stewart RB 5 3 ahill Cedric Benson RB 6 10 ahill Michael Crabtree WR 7 3 ahill Braylon Edwards WR 8 10 ahill Davone Bess WR 9 3 ahill Chad Johnson WR 10 10 ahill Rob Gronkowski TE 11 3 ahill Green Bay Defense D 12 10 ahill Plaxico Burress WR 13 3 ahill Tim Hightower RB 14 10 ahill Dustin Keller TE 15 3 ahill Tim Tebow QB 16 10 ahill Ricky Williams RB 17 3 ahill Chicago Bears D 18 10 ahill Josh Scobee K round pick team player position 1 4 joc Chris Johnson RB keeper 2 9 joc Peyton Hillis RB 3 4 joc Ahmad Bradshaw RB 4 9 joc Brandon Lloyd WR 5 4 joc Dez Bryant WR 6 9 joc Matt Ryan QB 7 4 joc Ryan Torain RB 8 9 joc Jerome Simpson WR 9 4 joc Julio Jones WR 10 9 joc Kellen Winslow Jr TE 11 4 joc DeMarco Murray RB 12 9 joc Ryan Fitzpatrick QB 13 4 joc Kendall Hunter RB 14 9 joc Nate Washington WR 15 4 joc Nate Burleson WR 16 9 joc Dexter McCluster RB 17 4 joc Detroit Lions D 18 9 joc Josh Brown K round pick team player position 1 5 megla Calvin Johnson WR 2 8 megla Reggie Wayne WR 3 5 megla Knowshon Moreno RB 4 8 megla Jahvid Best RB 5 5 megla Stevie Johnson WR 6 8 megla Marcedes Lewis TE 7 5 megla Fred Jackson RB 8 8 megla Josh Freeman QB 9 5 megla Donnie Avery WR 10 8 megla LaDainian Tomlinson RB 11 5 megla Deion Branch WR 12 8 megla Donald Driver WR 13 5 megla David Garrard QB 14 8 megla Mason Crosby K 15 5 megla Jason Hill WR 16 8 megla New York Giants D 17 5 megla Alex Green RB 18 8 megla Todd Heap TE round pick team player position 1 6 iamw Steven Jackson RB 2 7 iamw Michael Turner RB 3 10 iamw DeAngelo Williams RB 4 3 iamw Mike Williams TB WR 5 6 iamw Mark Ingram RB 6 3 iamw Sidney Rice WR 7 6 iamw Ben Roethlisberger QB 8 7 iamw Matthew Stafford QB 9 6 iamw Hines Ward WR 10 7 iamw Tony Gonzalez TE 11 6 iamw Zach Miller TE 12 7 iamw Mark Clayton WR 13 6 iamw Louis Murphy WR 14 7 iamw Brandon Tate WR 15 6 iamw Mike Goodson RB 16 7 iamw Brent Celek TE 17 6 iamw New Orleans Saints D 18 7 iamw Jason Hanson K round pick team player position 1 7 mtski Ray Rice RB keeper 2 6 mtski Hakeem Nicks WR 3 11 mtski Dallas Clark TE 4 2 mtski Brandon Marshall WR 5 7 mtski Tony Romo QB 6 2 mtski Marshawn Lynch RB 7 7 mtski Johnny Knox WR 8 6 mtski Mario Manningham WR 9 7 mtski Owen Daniels TE 10 6 mtski Reggie Bush RB 11 7 mtski Delone Carter RB 12 6 mtski Emmanuel Sanders WR 13 7 mtski Earl Bennett WR 14 6 mtski Anthony Armstrong WR 15 7 mtski Pierre Thomas RB 16 6 mtski Jacoby Jones WR 17 7 mtski San Diego Chargers D 18 6 mtski Sebastian Janikowski K round pick team player position 1 8 moz Darren McFadden RB 2 5 moz Roddy White WR 3 8 moz Antonio Gates TE 4 5 moz Phillip Rivers QB 5 8 moz Austin Collie WR 6 5 moz Daniel Thomas RB 7 8 moz Steve Smith Carolina WR 8 5 moz Shane Vereen RB 9 8 moz Steve Smith NYG WR 10 5 moz BenJarvus Green-Ellis RB 11 8 moz Eli Manning QB 12 5 moz Michael Bush RB 13 8 moz Steve Breaston WR 14 5 moz New York Jets D 15 8 moz Kevin Walter WR 16 5 moz Stephen Gostkowski K 17 8 moz Jon Baldwin WR 18 5 moz Ben Watson TE round pick team player position 1 9 bb06 Frank Gore RB keeper 2 4 bb06 Matt Forte RB 3 9 bb06 Peyton Manning QB 4 4 bb06 Marques Colston WR 5 9 bb06 Shonn Greene RB 6 4 bb06 Anquan Boldin WR 7 9 bb06 A.J. Green WR 8 4 bb06 Pierre Garcon WR 9 9 bb06 Chris Cooley TE 10 4 bb06 Lance Moore WR 11 9 bb06 Derrick Mason WR 12 4 bb06 Matt Cassel QB 13 9 bb06 Donald Brown RB 14 4 bb06 James Jones WR 15 9 bb06 Thomas Jones RB 16 4 bb06 Heath Miller TE 17 9 bb06 Dallas Cowboys D 18 4 bb06 Matt Bryant K round pick team player position 1 10 hello Arian Foster RB keeper 2 3 hello Rashard Mendenhall RB 3 6 hello Miles Austin WR 4 7 hello Jeremy Maclin WR 5 10 hello Matt Schaub QB 6 7 hello Jason Witten TE 7 10 hello Mike Thomas WR 8 3 hello CJ Spiller RB 9 10 hello Mikel Leshoure RC RB 10 3 hello Terrell Owens WR 11 10 hello Joe Flacco QB 12 3 hello Ben Tate RB 13 10 hello Robert Meachem WR 14 3 hello Isaac Redman RB 15 10 hello Bernard Scott RB 16 3 hello Jason Snelling RB 17 10 hello Philadelphia Eagles D 18 3 hello Neil Rackers K round pick team player position 1 11 lbh Jamaal Charles RB keeper 2 2 lbh Larry Fitzgerald WR 3 7 lbh Drew Brees QB 4 6 lbh Vincent Jackson WR 5 11 lbh Vernon Davis TE 6 6 lbh Santonio Holmes WR 7 11 lbh James Starks RB 8 2 lbh Jacoby Ford WR 9 11 lbh Roy Helu Jr. RC RB 10 2 lbh Mike Williams SEA WR 11 11 lbh Greg Little WR 12 2 lbh Rashad Jennings RB 13 11 lbh New England Patriots D 14 2 lbh Jared Cook TE 15 11 lbh Leonard Hankerson WR 16 2 lbh Nate Kaeding K 17 11 lbh Mark Sanchez QB 18 2 lbh Lance Kendricks TE round pick team player position 1 12 gep Adrian Peterson RB keeper 2 1 gep Michael Vick QB 3 12 gep Jermichael Finley TE 4 1 gep DeSean Jackson WR 5 12 gep Kenny Britt WR 6 1 gep Felix Jones RB 7 12 gep Ronnie Brown RB 8 1 gep Santana Moss WR 9 12 gep Jay Cutler QB 10 1 gep Mike Sims-Walker WR 11 12 gep Steelers Defense D 12 1 gep Danario Alexander WR 13 12 gep Tashard Choice RB 14 1 gep Kevin Kolb QB 15 12 gep Alex Henery K 16 1 gep Lee Evans WR 17 12 gep Donovan McNabb QB 18 1 gep Carson Palmer QB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 380 Posted June 15, 2011 Thank you Moz for posting team rosters on the main board. I'll be curious to hear what the public has to say, and love to hear their feedback. But more importantly, I would like to hear what our league members think, judge, rate, and analyze of each team. This is great for our league, but will help us rise to the top in our other leagues that we have not drafted in yet. #1 I'm asking for a team rating of 1-12 #2 refer to #1 and let's see how good you really are at seasons end Notes: you fockers keep saying it's a mandatory 3 wr league + 2 flex positions. Yet you keep wanting to fill wr's into these flex positions. Why is that when RB's easily outproduce Wr's in this scoring format? I will take any of you fockers on using a 4wr/5wr vs 2/rb/1rb flex format anyday. I'm going RB heavy - 3 every focking week will be in my lineup, and will kick your ass. I don't understand why you all are so entrenched that wr's are better in this league. It's proven that rb's score higher points on average. Non the less...let's get it on... Using last years data the numbers simply do not agree with your stance on the value of WRs. Using a 1QB/3RB/3WR starting lineup here is the value board from last year. Foster, Arian HOU RB 276.9 Hillis, Peyton CLE RB 177.2 McCoy, LeSean PHI RB 169.4 Rice, Ray BAL RB 158.2 Charles, Jamaal KCC RB 158 Johnson, Chris TEN RB 157 Peterson, Adrian MIN RB 156.1 White, Roddy ATL WR 152.2 McFadden, Darren OAK RB 143.2 Forte, Matt CHI RB 140.8 Jackson, Steven STL RB 127.5 Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB 126 Bradshaw, Ahmad NYG RB 124.5 Lloyd, Brandon DEN WR 122.8 Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB 117.5 Wayne, Reggie IND WR 116.4 Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR 113.6 Turner, Michael ATL RB 111.9 Jennings, Greg GBP WR 109.5 Manning, Peyton IND QB 108.4 Johnson, Calvin DET WR 101.5 Brees, Drew NOS QB 100 Witten, Jason DAL TE 95.1 Johnson, Andre HOU WR 91.7 Tomlinson, LaDainian NYJ RB 88.6 Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR 85.1 Wallace, Mike PIT WR 85.1 Benson, Cedric CIN RB 84.5 Johnson, Steve BUF WR 83.2 Brady, Tom NEP QB 83.1 Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB 79.4 Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 76.6 Gore, Frank SFO RB 75.3 Rivers, Philip SDC QB 74.5 Moss, Santana WAS WR 74.4 Green-Ellis, BenJarvus NEP RB 72.7 Moreno, Knowshon DEN RB 66.8 Austin, Miles DAL WR 65.9 Best, Jahvid DET RB 65.7 Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR 64.2 Colston, Marques NOS WR 63.3 Williams, Mike TBB WR 60.3 Owens, Terrell CIN WR 59.2 Jackson, Fred BUF RB 58.6 Vick, Michael PHI QB 54 Tolbert, Mike SDC RB 54 Jones, Felix DAL RB 53.4 Welker, Wes NEP WR 48.7 Harvin, Percy MIN WR 42.7 Manningham, Mario NYG WR 42.6 Jackson, Brandon GBP RB 41 Jackson, DeSean PHI WR 40.5 Marshall, Brandon MIA WR 39.8 Ryan, Matt ATL QB 37.5 Davis, Vernon SFO TE 37.3 Manning, Eli NYG QB 34.2 Gates, Antonio SDC TE 34.1 Lewis, Marcedes JAC TE 31.9 Brown, Ronnie MIA RB 29.2 Cooley, Chris WAS TE 26.8 Schaub, Matt HOU QB 26.2 Jones, Thomas KCC RB 26 Bess, Davone MIA WR 24.7 Boldin, Anquan BAL WR 24.4 Moore, Lance NOS WR 24.2 Woodhead, Danny NEP RB 21.8 Edwards, Braylon NYJ WR 21.8 Freeman, Josh TBB QB 21.4 Mason, Derrick BAL WR 18.1 Garcon, Pierre IND WR 17.6 Gonzalez, Tony ATL TE 17.5 Thomas, Mike JAC WR 17.4 Bush, Michael OAK RB 17.2 Winslow, Kellen TBB TE 14.9 Amendola, Danny STL WR 14.6 Palmer, Carson CIN QB 14.3 Lynch, Marshawn SEA RB 13.6 Pettigrew, Brandon DET TE 13.1 Branch, Deion NEP WR 12.7 Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB 12.4 Knox, Johnny CHI WR 11.2 Blount, LeGarrette TBB RB 10.7 Britt, Kenny TEN WR 9.4 Mathews, Ryan SDC RB 9.2 Ochocinco, Chad CIN WR 9 Watson, Ben CLE TE 8.3 Torain, Ryan WAS RB 6.6 Williams, Carnell TBB RB 5.2 Collie, Austin IND WR 4.9 Miller, Zach OAK TE 4.4 Sproles, Darren SDC RB 2.6 Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE 1.5 Flacco, Joe BAL QB 0 After the 14th ranked RB there is a huge drop off in value at the position while there is much value at the WR position. You are starting 3 RBs, the demand for them is way too high so you can not expect to have more than 2 of the top 15 RBs, WRs on the other hand you can easily get 2 of the top 15 and possibly 3 of the top 20. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 989 Posted June 15, 2011 Using last years data the numbers simply do not agree with your stance on the value of WRs. Using a 1QB/3RB/3WR starting lineup here is the value board from last year. Foster, Arian HOU RB 276.9 Hillis, Peyton CLE RB 177.2 McCoy, LeSean PHI RB 169.4 Rice, Ray BAL RB 158.2 Charles, Jamaal KCC RB 158 Johnson, Chris TEN RB 157 Peterson, Adrian MIN RB 156.1 White, Roddy ATL WR 152.2 McFadden, Darren OAK RB 143.2 Forte, Matt CHI RB 140.8 Jackson, Steven STL RB 127.5 Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB 126 Bradshaw, Ahmad NYG RB 124.5 Lloyd, Brandon DEN WR 122.8 Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB 117.5 Wayne, Reggie IND WR 116.4 Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR 113.6 Turner, Michael ATL RB 111.9 Jennings, Greg GBP WR 109.5 Manning, Peyton IND QB 108.4 Johnson, Calvin DET WR 101.5 Brees, Drew NOS QB 100 Witten, Jason DAL TE 95.1 Johnson, Andre HOU WR 91.7 Tomlinson, LaDainian NYJ RB 88.6 Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR 85.1 Wallace, Mike PIT WR 85.1 Benson, Cedric CIN RB 84.5 Johnson, Steve BUF WR 83.2 Brady, Tom NEP QB 83.1 Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB 79.4 Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 76.6 Gore, Frank SFO RB 75.3 Rivers, Philip SDC QB 74.5 Moss, Santana WAS WR 74.4 Green-Ellis, BenJarvus NEP RB 72.7 Moreno, Knowshon DEN RB 66.8 Austin, Miles DAL WR 65.9 Best, Jahvid DET RB 65.7 Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR 64.2 Colston, Marques NOS WR 63.3 Williams, Mike TBB WR 60.3 Owens, Terrell CIN WR 59.2 Jackson, Fred BUF RB 58.6 Vick, Michael PHI QB 54 Tolbert, Mike SDC RB 54 Jones, Felix DAL RB 53.4 Welker, Wes NEP WR 48.7 Harvin, Percy MIN WR 42.7 Manningham, Mario NYG WR 42.6 Jackson, Brandon GBP RB 41 Jackson, DeSean PHI WR 40.5 Marshall, Brandon MIA WR 39.8 Ryan, Matt ATL QB 37.5 Davis, Vernon SFO TE 37.3 Manning, Eli NYG QB 34.2 Gates, Antonio SDC TE 34.1 Lewis, Marcedes JAC TE 31.9 Brown, Ronnie MIA RB 29.2 Cooley, Chris WAS TE 26.8 Schaub, Matt HOU QB 26.2 Jones, Thomas KCC RB 26 Bess, Davone MIA WR 24.7 Boldin, Anquan BAL WR 24.4 Moore, Lance NOS WR 24.2 Woodhead, Danny NEP RB 21.8 Edwards, Braylon NYJ WR 21.8 Freeman, Josh TBB QB 21.4 Mason, Derrick BAL WR 18.1 Garcon, Pierre IND WR 17.6 Gonzalez, Tony ATL TE 17.5 Thomas, Mike JAC WR 17.4 Bush, Michael OAK RB 17.2 Winslow, Kellen TBB TE 14.9 Amendola, Danny STL WR 14.6 Palmer, Carson CIN QB 14.3 Lynch, Marshawn SEA RB 13.6 Pettigrew, Brandon DET TE 13.1 Branch, Deion NEP WR 12.7 Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB 12.4 Knox, Johnny CHI WR 11.2 Blount, LeGarrette TBB RB 10.7 Britt, Kenny TEN WR 9.4 Mathews, Ryan SDC RB 9.2 Ochocinco, Chad CIN WR 9 Watson, Ben CLE TE 8.3 Torain, Ryan WAS RB 6.6 Williams, Carnell TBB RB 5.2 Collie, Austin IND WR 4.9 Miller, Zach OAK TE 4.4 Sproles, Darren SDC RB 2.6 Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE 1.5 Flacco, Joe BAL QB 0 After the 14th ranked RB there is a huge drop off in value at the position while there is much value at the WR position. You are starting 3 RBs, the demand for them is way too high so you can not expect to have more than 2 of the top 15 RBs, WRs on the other hand you can easily get 2 of the top 15 and possibly 3 of the top 20. Joc did draft 3 of the top 14 Running Backs though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 380 Posted June 15, 2011 Joc did draft 3 of the top 14 Running Backs though. Agreed, it can be done but it's not to be expected and I doubt they turn out to be top 15 this year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dehaven123 31 Posted June 15, 2011 Agreed, it can be done but it's not to be expected and I doubt they turn out to be top 15 this year Good stuff Megla. Since I went WR/WR/WR, I agree. Last yr, went RB/RB/RB/RB. Would not have liked what you posted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted June 15, 2011 Using last years data the numbers simply do not agree with your stance on the value of WRs. Using a 1QB/3RB/3WR starting lineup here is the value board from last year. After the 14th ranked RB there is a huge drop off in value at the position while there is much value at the WR position. You are starting 3 RBs, the demand for them is way too high so you can not expect to have more than 2 of the top 15 RBs, WRs on the other hand you can easily get 2 of the top 15 and possibly 3 of the top 20. The top 40 point leaders last year RB's - consisted 13 out of the top 40. #'s 6,19,21,25,26,27,28,29,30,36,37,39,40 WR's - consisted 5 out of the top 40. #'s 22,31,34,35,38 I'm taking my chances with running backs outproducing wr's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted June 15, 2011 Personally -- I think BB06 has the best team with myself a close 2nd -- just an opinion though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 380 Posted June 15, 2011 The top 40 point leaders last year RB's - consisted 13 out of the top 40. #'s 6,19,21,25,26,27,28,29,30,36,37,39,40 WR's - consisted 5 out of the top 40. #'s 22,31,34,35,38 I'm taking my chances with running backs outproducing wr's. And that is the flaw in your thinking, outside of the 2 flex starting slots its not RBs outscoring WRs, what matters is how much your RBs are outscoring your opponets RBs and how much his WRs are outscoring your WRs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 989 Posted June 15, 2011 When talking about the FLEX position, you only need to compare one team's two flex to the others, regardless of position. Obviously overall team matters when drafting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 989 Posted June 15, 2011 And that is the flaw in your thinking, outside of the 2 flex starting slots its not RBs outscoring WRs, what matters is how much your RBs are outscoring your opponets RBs and how much his WRs are outscoring your WRs He's got Dez Bryant and Brandon Lloyd. I think he'll be able to keep up at the very least for WR position as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 380 Posted June 15, 2011 He's got Dez Bryant and Brandon Lloyd. I think he'll be able to keep up at the very least for WR position as well. I just dont see these as a top tier WRs and we have to start 3, against any team with strong WRs his RB and Flexes are going to have to heavily outscore his opponents. I'll say this, if Tebow starts Lloyd will not be top 20 in the WR rankings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted June 15, 2011 I just dont see these as a top tier WRs and we have to start 3, against any team with strong WRs his RB and Flexes are going to have to heavily outscore his opponents. I'll say this, if Tebow starts Lloyd will not be top 20 in the WR rankings Denver already lost Demaryius Thomas for the year - Eddie Royal is going back to kick returns, and Jabar Gaffney is the #2 wr. I see Lloyd as being the only liable option on a team that will be playing from behind often. All I want is my ff player to have targets/chances and I believe Lloyd will see plenty of balls thrown his way - that's all I can ask for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 989 Posted June 15, 2011 I just dont see these as a top tier WRs and we have to start 3, against any team with strong WRs his RB and Flexes are going to have to heavily outscore his opponents. I'll say this, if Tebow starts Lloyd will not be top 20 in the WR rankings Joc also has Jerome Simpson who came on late last year and could breakout in '11 and be a more than decent WR3. Lloyd was #1 just last year and his stats barely changed when Tebow started. Dez is ultra talented and is 1A or 1B in Dallas. Your whole point was based on using WRs at flex but Joc's team could easilty be the exception to that thought. It doesn't really matter what your opinion is on the future of each player or mine, what's important to point out is your whole argument is based on VBD of player's based on last year's stats. Overall, it's to be expected that similar results for value of each position will remain in 2011 but you can't logically refute the argument that solid RBs in the flex will outproduce solid WRS. They will. Trust me, I've been in this league since 2007 and I've seen it. WRs are very inconsistent, but top RBs are not nearly so inconsistent (game to game). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
famousb 11 Posted June 15, 2011 Agreed, it can be done but it's not to be expected and I doubt they turn out to be top 15 this year I drafted 3 last year (mendy, McCoy, and forte). But its really all about how the draft goes and having a good feel for who you feel is going to be the best value in each round... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MFFL Champ 0 Posted June 16, 2011 So 1st to 12th...the results: 13.ahill 13.megla 13.moz 13.gep 13.mt 13.woody 13.bb06 13.joc 13.famous 13.dehaven 13.lbh You all smoke the skin pole! I didnt think it was possible for so many horrible decisions to be made, but...you all proved me wrong. Its like taking 100 question multiple choice test....and scoring a zero! How can you make THAT many wrong decisions, you would think the law of averages would kick in. You each individually took some half decent players...(by default)...and somehow still combined them into SHlT Teams! This draft has given me little hope for the human species, fock each of you in the ear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellothere 1 Posted June 16, 2011 So 1st to 12th...the results: 13.ahill 13.megla 13.moz 13.gep 13.mt 13.woody 13.bb06 13.joc 13.famous 13.dehaven 13.lbh You all smoke the skin pole! I didnt think it was possible for so many horrible decisions to be made, but...you all proved me wrong. Its like taking 100 question multiple choice test....and scoring a zero! How can you make THAT many wrong decisions, you would think the law of averages would kick in. You each individually took some half decent players...(by default)...and somehow still combined them into SHlT Teams! This draft has given me little hope for the human species, fock each of you in the ear. Man...that guy's a jerk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 989 Posted June 16, 2011 LOL Good use of the MFFL Champ user name. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted June 16, 2011 So 1st to 12th...the results: 13.ahill 13.megla 13.moz 13.gep 13.mt 13.woody 13.bb06 13.joc 13.famous 13.dehaven 13.lbh You all smoke the skin pole! I didnt think it was possible for so many horrible decisions to be made, but...you all proved me wrong. Its like taking 100 question multiple choice test....and scoring a zero! How can you make THAT many wrong decisions, you would think the law of averages would kick in. You each individually took some half decent players...(by default)...and somehow still combined them into SHlT Teams! This draft has given me little hope for the human species, fock each of you in the ear. YES BABY YES! Now that's how you use the title - ahhhhhh. This post brings a tear to my eye. Megla, MTSki, and Iam - - if you win the championship, this handle becomes yours for the whole year! Famousb started this tradition a few years ago, and it's absolutely the greatest. However, it's a very hard handle to earn, and the password is even trickier Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
famousb 11 Posted June 16, 2011 Famousb started this tradition a few years ago, and it's absolutely the greatest. However, it's a very hard handle to earn, and the password is even trickier let's not forget the underlying reason i started the tradition - cause i got served a few week ban from FFT, so i had to come up w/ an alias. it's a great tradition, but the name is coming home this year! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted June 16, 2011 let's not forget the underlying reason i started the tradition - cause i got served a few week ban from FFT, so i had to come up w/ an alias. it's a great tradition, but the name is coming home this year! there are only 3 past homes. You, Me, and Hellnotgunnagetitthisyear. I'll take my odds vs you this year you are right, I can't wait to hold that handle again:) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
famousb 11 Posted June 16, 2011 I'll take my odds vs you this year well i did try to give you fools a chance this year by not going RB/RB/RB. But you let me draft guys who are going to put up huge points at every other position AND still get #2,3&4 RBs who are going to put up top24 numbers... i'm seeing a weekly average of at least 150 out of my POS team... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted June 16, 2011 Dang, I was looking and trying to rank these teams 1-12. Man, they are very evenly matched IMO. Don't be too p!ssed if you're ranked low, b/c I think #12 could end up in the championship game SO HERE WE GO! #12 Dehaven - - Blount,Grant,Beannie - - I just don't like this bunch. As you all know, I cherish the RB position in this league, and this group is suspect for a title run. Your Wr corps is strong at the top, but will Welker and Wallace give you the big numbers week in and week out to cover Grant and Beannie? Or are you counting on Jordy Nelson to bring home the bacon in the flex position? I don't trust any TE from NO, and the QB position doesn't have me sold. As much as I like Bradford, will he put up big enough numbers to keep up with the elite in the league? Like I said though, the teams are so close, you could be in the championship game - no hard feelings - what do I know 1 1 dehaven Andre Johnson WR 2 12 dehaven Mike Wallace WR 3 1 dehaven Wes Welker WR 4 12 dehaven LaGarette Blount RB 5 1 dehaven Jimmy Graham TE 6 12 dehaven Ryan Grant RB 7 1 dehaven Ryan Williams RB 8 12 dehaven Chris 'Beanie' Wells RB 9 1 dehaven Jordy Nelson WR 10 12 dehaven Sam Bradford QB 11 1 dehaven Arrelious Benn WR 12 12 dehaven Montario Hardesty RB 13 1 dehaven Aaron Hernandez TE 14 12 dehaven Jacquizz Rodgers RB 15 1 dehaven Kyle Orton QB 16 12 dehaven Golden Tate WR 17 1 dehaven Baltimore Ravens D #11 FAMOUSB - - I like your top 3 picks, then you are really going to need some players to step in both the WR and RB department. Just a lot of uncertainty in your lineup. I like some of the names like Harvin,Matthews,Pettigrew,Moss, Floyd & Amendola. They just need to become steady for you to have a chance - - Non the less, I don't see the playoffs for you 1 2 famousb LeSean McCoy RB keeper 2 11 famousb Greg Jennings WR 3 2 famousb Tom Brady QB 4 11 famousb Ryan Mathews RB 5 2 famousb Percy Harvin WR 6 11 famousb Joseph Addai RB 7 2 famousb Danny Amendola WR 8 11 famousb Brandon Jacobs RB 9 2 famousb Brandon Pettigrew TE 10 11 famousb Mike Tolbert RB 11 2 famousb Randy Moss WR 12 11 famousb Malcolm Floyd WR 13 2 famousb Jermaine Gresham TE 14 11 famousb Danny Woodhead RB 15 2 famousb Cam Newton QB 16 11 famousb Dwayne Harris WR 17 2 famousb Arizona Cardinals D 18 11 famousb John Kasay K #10 Gepetto - VICK and PETERSON will win you games until the wheels fall off. Vick was huge last year, then started to fizzle. I believe teams will figure him out, then he will get hurt. ADP - as much as I love him, I don't trust Minny one bit this year in the QB position. This team could really struggle on offense. Then you have a lot of what if's with Finley, Desean, Felix, Britt, Ronnie, and Santana. Desean scares me as an opponent, but he can also no show from time to time. Britt has to be suspended for a while IMO. Finley coming off significant injury, Ronnie and Santana...where are they going to wind up? AND HOLY QB picks! 5 QB's on a roster - hopefully you can trade and get some good value for those solid players that will 100% be on your bench doing you no good. 1 12 gep Adrian Peterson RB keeper 2 1 gep Michael Vick QB 3 12 gep Jermichael Finley TE 4 1 gep DeSean Jackson WR 5 12 gep Kenny Britt WR 6 1 gep Felix Jones RB 7 12 gep Ronnie Brown RB 8 1 gep Santana Moss WR 9 12 gep Jay Cutler QB 10 1 gep Mike Sims-Walker WR 11 12 gep Steelers Defense D 12 1 gep Danario Alexander WR 13 12 gep Tashard Choice RB 14 1 gep Kevin Kolb QB 15 12 gep Alex Henery K 16 1 gep Lee Evans WR 17 12 gep Donovan McNabb QB 18 1 gep Carson Palmer QB MeglaManiac #9 - - I love CJ and Wayne - doesn't get much better than that. Moreno has me really nervous this year (I have to decide whether or not to keep him in my $200 auction league - I just don't know about him this year with a new coach, and possible RB coming in via free agency) If he remain the 3 down back, can he even stay healthy? I just don't know. I like Best a lot, hope he get's the touches - Detroit drafting a workhorse RB has me a little concerned though. Fred Jackson is solid, let's see if he can hold off Spiller. I like Freeman a lot at QB, and you might be able to make a playoff run if Johnson and your running backs work out. It's a solid team, we'll see how it plays out. 1 5 megla Calvin Johnson WR 2 8 megla Reggie Wayne WR 3 5 megla Knowshon Moreno RB 4 8 megla Jahvid Best RB 5 5 megla Stevie Johnson WR 6 8 megla Marcedes Lewis TE 7 5 megla Fred Jackson RB 8 8 megla Josh Freeman QB 9 5 megla Donnie Avery WR 10 8 megla LaDainian Tomlinson RB 11 5 megla Deion Branch WR 12 8 megla Donald Driver WR 13 5 megla David Garrard QB 14 8 megla Mason Crosby K 15 5 megla Jason Hill WR 16 8 megla New York Giants D 17 5 megla Alex Green RB 18 8 megla Todd Heap TE MORE TO COME - Hope you enjoy the 9-12 team analysis. Like I said, this was very hard to pick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dehaven123 31 Posted June 17, 2011 Dang, I was looking and trying to rank these teams 1-12. Man, they are very evenly matched IMO. Don't be too p!ssed if you're ranked low, b/c I think #12 could end up in the championship game SO HERE WE GO! #12 Dehaven - - Blount,Grant,Beannie - - I just don't like this bunch. As you all know, I cherish the RB position in this league, and this group is suspect for a title run. Your Wr corps is strong at the top, but will Welker and Wallace give you the big numbers week in and week out to cover Grant and Beannie? Or are you counting on Jordy Nelson to bring home the bacon in the flex position? I don't trust any TE from NO, and the QB position doesn't have me sold. As much as I like Bradford, will he put up big enough numbers to keep up with the elite in the league? Like I said though, the teams are so close, you could be in the championship game - no hard feelings - what do I know 1 1 dehaven Andre Johnson WR 2 12 dehaven Mike Wallace WR 3 1 dehaven Wes Welker WR 4 12 dehaven LaGarette Blount RB 5 1 dehaven Jimmy Graham TE 6 12 dehaven Ryan Grant RB 7 1 dehaven Ryan Williams RB 8 12 dehaven Chris 'Beanie' Wells RB 9 1 dehaven Jordy Nelson WR 10 12 dehaven Sam Bradford QB 11 1 dehaven Arrelious Benn WR 12 12 dehaven Montario Hardesty RB 13 1 dehaven Aaron Hernandez TE 14 12 dehaven Jacquizz Rodgers RB 15 1 dehaven Kyle Orton QB 16 12 dehaven Golden Tate WR 17 1 dehaven Baltimore Ravens D #11 FAMOUSB - - I like your top 3 picks, then you are really going to need some players to step in both the WR and RB department. Just a lot of uncertainty in your lineup. I like some of the names like Harvin,Matthews,Pettigrew,Moss, Floyd & Amendola. They just need to become steady for you to have a chance - - Non the less, I don't see the playoffs for you 1 2 famousb LeSean McCoy RB keeper 2 11 famousb Greg Jennings WR 3 2 famousb Tom Brady QB 4 11 famousb Ryan Mathews RB 5 2 famousb Percy Harvin WR 6 11 famousb Joseph Addai RB 7 2 famousb Danny Amendola WR 8 11 famousb Brandon Jacobs RB 9 2 famousb Brandon Pettigrew TE 10 11 famousb Mike Tolbert RB 11 2 famousb Randy Moss WR 12 11 famousb Malcolm Floyd WR 13 2 famousb Jermaine Gresham TE 14 11 famousb Danny Woodhead RB 15 2 famousb Cam Newton QB 16 11 famousb Dwayne Harris WR 17 2 famousb Arizona Cardinals D 18 11 famousb John Kasay K #10 Gepetto - VICK and PETERSON will win you games until the wheels fall off. Vick was huge last year, then started to fizzle. I believe teams will figure him out, then he will get hurt. ADP - as much as I love him, I don't trust Minny one bit this year in the QB position. This team could really struggle on offense. Then you have a lot of what if's with Finley, Desean, Felix, Britt, Ronnie, and Santana. Desean scares me as an opponent, but he can also no show from time to time. Britt has to be suspended for a while IMO. Finley coming off significant injury, Ronnie and Santana...where are they going to wind up? AND HOLY QB picks! 5 QB's on a roster - hopefully you can trade and get some good value for those solid players that will 100% be on your bench doing you no good. 1 12 gep Adrian Peterson RB keeper 2 1 gep Michael Vick QB 3 12 gep Jermichael Finley TE 4 1 gep DeSean Jackson WR 5 12 gep Kenny Britt WR 6 1 gep Felix Jones RB 7 12 gep Ronnie Brown RB 8 1 gep Santana Moss WR 9 12 gep Jay Cutler QB 10 1 gep Mike Sims-Walker WR 11 12 gep Steelers Defense D 12 1 gep Danario Alexander WR 13 12 gep Tashard Choice RB 14 1 gep Kevin Kolb QB 15 12 gep Alex Henery K 16 1 gep Lee Evans WR 17 12 gep Donovan McNabb QB 18 1 gep Carson Palmer QB MeglaManiac #9 - - I love CJ and Wayne - doesn't get much better than that. Moreno has me really nervous this year (I have to decide whether or not to keep him in my $200 auction league - I just don't know about him this year with a new coach, and possible RB coming in via free agency) If he remain the 3 down back, can he even stay healthy? I just don't know. I like Best a lot, hope he get's the touches - Detroit drafting a workhorse RB has me a little concerned though. Fred Jackson is solid, let's see if he can hold off Spiller. I like Freeman a lot at QB, and you might be able to make a playoff run if Johnson and your running backs work out. It's a solid team, we'll see how it plays out. 1 5 megla Calvin Johnson WR 2 8 megla Reggie Wayne WR 3 5 megla Knowshon Moreno RB 4 8 megla Jahvid Best RB 5 5 megla Stevie Johnson WR 6 8 megla Marcedes Lewis TE 7 5 megla Fred Jackson RB 8 8 megla Josh Freeman QB 9 5 megla Donnie Avery WR 10 8 megla LaDainian Tomlinson RB 11 5 megla Deion Branch WR 12 8 megla Donald Driver WR 13 5 megla David Garrard QB 14 8 megla Mason Crosby K 15 5 megla Jason Hill WR 16 8 megla New York Giants D 17 5 megla Alex Green RB 18 8 megla Todd Heap TE MORE TO COME - Hope you enjoy the 9-12 team analysis. Like I said, this was very hard to pick No worries Joc! It's all subjective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
famousb 11 Posted June 17, 2011 I'll agree, a lot of my guys have yet to prove anything, but they have potential + opportunity; I try to never draft "last year's player", especially at the RB position. Consequently I believe Matthews really has a chance to take the reins this year and put up dent FF number this year. Plus, as long as Addai can stay healthy he's proven he can hold off D Brown and be a solid performer in a high power offense. Then I also have Jacobs, who is solid and can be a TD vulture at worst, with the possibility of moving back to the clear #1 if Bradshaw leaves in FA. So as long as 2 of the 3 of those pan out and stay healthy I'm feeling pretty good about my RB situation, especially considering the value I got when I drafted them... WR is a crapshoot, but I think at least my top 2 are solid - which is 2 more solid WRs than I normally have.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Big Head 6 Posted June 17, 2011 Good stuff Joc. I know you love RBs but I can't remember a draft so riddled with RBs that are unappealing after the top 6 or 7. They all have major question marks IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellothere 1 Posted June 17, 2011 I dont have the creativity of joc to break it up into posts or do too deep into expanation, but here is my ranking. Its worth what you paid for it. 1. - bb06 2. - msti 3. - joc 4. - iamwood .... 5. - megla 6. - dehaven 7. - lbh 8. - gep .... 9. - moz 10. - famous 11. - ahill I tiered them, but otherwise not a lot of analysis. I may go back and try and put into words my thoughts, but i considered starting lineups as a majority of my rankings, so a first draft as of now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Big Head 6 Posted June 21, 2011 What happened to the rest of your rankings joc? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted June 21, 2011 What happened to the rest of your rankings joc? They are coming...focking work is interfering with my fantasy football. It's raining right now...time to bust out a few more rankings - - - I'll be back... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted June 21, 2011 #8 THE MOZ I'm Ok with the Darren McFadden play - he could be huge week in and week out. Roddy White is a monster, I just hope he finds the endzone more than 10 times this year (my qb is throwing to him). Gates is a beast. Rivers continues to excel. Your top 4 are about as good as it gets I suppose. Not too sure why Rivers fell so far. Now the rest of your team has huge potential, or they might not do crap. Collie - who, what, where am I again - 1 more shot and he's forced into retirement. Daniel Thomas - let's see what happens this offseason in that backfield. You better cross your fingers. Steve Smith 1a & 1b no guarantees here either. You just think you have the NE backfield locked up - ha, you never know. You have a solid team, a lot of question marks with depth IMO. Non the less you will be --------------------> come playoff time round pick team player position 1 8 moz Darren McFadden RB 2 5 moz Roddy White WR 3 8 moz Antonio Gates TE 4 5 moz Phillip Rivers QB 5 8 moz Austin Collie WR 6 5 moz Daniel Thomas RB 7 8 moz Steve Smith Carolina WR 8 5 moz Shane Vereen RB 9 8 moz Steve Smith NYG WR 10 5 moz BenJarvus Green-Ellis RB 11 8 moz Eli Manning QB 12 5 moz Michael Bush RB 13 8 moz Steve Breaston WR 14 5 moz New York Jets D 15 8 moz Kevin Walter WR 16 5 moz Stephen Gostkowski K 17 8 moz Jon Baldwin WR 18 5 moz Ben Watson TE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted June 21, 2011 #7 LBH Love Jamaal Charles - a top 4 scoring running back in the league. Thomas Jones should continue to see less touches, making Charles even bigger. Fitz - you seem to be higher on him than others. I think I read one of your responses that even in a bad year he put up 90/1100+/6. Well, he also had 173 targets - 3rd most behind Wayne(176) and Roddy (179). He had all the chances you could ask for, and ended up ranked #8 in our league. I see you had him as well last year - there must be Fitz love in your blood. I think his QB situation is just as crappy, and not sure he can put up numbers like the Fitz of old. Brees - studly - is he due for his 3 shoulder injury . I really like the VJ, Davis and Holmes picks as well. This is a very solid foundation. Your players from round 7 on just don't scare me though. You want a guy that could possibly break out and contribute in the starting lineup...Who is that next guy for you from picks 7 on? I see a 7-6 record, maybe making the playoffs, maybe not... 1 11 lbh Jamaal Charles RB keeper 2 2 lbh Larry Fitzgerald WR 3 7 lbh Drew Brees QB 4 6 lbh Vincent Jackson WR 5 11 lbh Vernon Davis TE 6 6 lbh Santonio Holmes WR 7 11 lbh James Starks RB 8 2 lbh Jacoby Ford WR 9 11 lbh Roy Helu Jr. RC RB 10 2 lbh Mike Williams SEA WR 11 11 lbh Greg Little WR 12 2 lbh Rashad Jennings RB 13 11 lbh New England Patriots D 14 2 lbh Jared Cook TE 15 11 lbh Leonard Hankerson WR 16 2 lbh Nate Kaeding K 17 11 lbh Mark Sanchez QB 18 2 lbh Lance Kendricks TE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted June 21, 2011 #6 JOC CJ2k will have every opportunity to put up monster numbers. Peyton Hillis will be the workhorse who should get the gl td's + receptions. Just not crazy about him going up against Balt and Pitt 2x though. Ahmad Bradshaw looks to have his speed and quickness back after offseason surgery - let's see where he ends up in the FA market. Now it gets tricky - the WR position. Lloyd and Bryant. 1 needs to be a stud, the other reliable. If this happens this team will be tough to beat. I'm counting on Simpson or Jones to be in the starting lineups as the #1 for Cincy, and the #2 for Jones. If so, I'll be just fine. Matt Ryan - I love him this year. Solid depth, possible huge point totals, should be a pretty consistent scoring team each week. I like the playoff chances for this team 1 4 joc Chris Johnson RB keeper 2 9 joc Peyton Hillis RB 3 4 joc Ahmad Bradshaw RB 4 9 joc Brandon Lloyd WR 5 4 joc Dez Bryant WR 6 9 joc Matt Ryan QB 7 4 joc Ryan Torain RB 8 9 joc Jerome Simpson WR 9 4 joc Julio Jones WR 10 9 joc Kellen Winslow Jr TE 11 4 joc DeMarco Murray RB 12 9 joc Ryan Fitzpatrick QB 13 4 joc Kendall Hunter RB 14 9 joc Nate Washington WR 15 4 joc Nate Burleson WR 16 9 joc Dexter McCluster RB 17 4 joc Detroit Lions D 18 9 joc Josh Brown K Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Big Head 6 Posted June 22, 2011 I can go along with that break down. One point I will say on Fitzgerald is that all those targets don't mean anything when so many of them were uncatchable. Every day rotoworld is posting the latest blurb on Kolb to Arizona and I expect either him or Orton to be there this preseason. There is no way they don't go after a big upgrade at QB as soon as FA hits. I don't really disagree with anything else you said. I need Helu or Starks to emerge into something startable which is no sure thing. Nice job Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted June 22, 2011 I can go along with that break down. One point I will say on Fitzgerald is that all those targets don't mean anything when so many of them were uncatchable. Every day rotoworld is posting the latest blurb on Kolb to Arizona and I expect either him or Orton to be there this preseason. There is no way they don't go after a big upgrade at QB as soon as FA hits. I don't really disagree with anything else you said. I need Helu or Starks to emerge into something startable which is no sure thing. Nice job Kolb or Orton would be a huge upgrade no doubt. Fitz would be in a much better position then once they get the timing down. I didn't really keep up with Arz in the draft. Have they brought in anybody else in the wr or te position to take a little pressure off of Fitz? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
famousb 11 Posted June 22, 2011 Kolb or Orton would be a huge upgrade no doubt. Fitz would be in a much better position then once they get the timing down. I didn't really keep up with Arz in the draft. Have they brought in anybody else in the wr or te position to take a little pressure off of Fitz? Actually, Arizona could lose Breaston in FA... and I think they have a pretty good young TE though... they are definitely looking at getting more run focused with the drafting of the RB to go with Wells. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted June 23, 2011 Right now BB06 has the best team and actually I don't think it's really close. But the best now and the best at the end are two seperate things. As for My team I just went for the best available for the first 7 rounds reached some on vereen ( or he ends up a huge get who knows ) but bounced back getting SSmith 2 in the 9th and Breaston later. I know MCFadden will be out a few weeks but be monster most weeks he plays like a Westbrook thats why I got Bush who can still have solid numbers if he starts. White is a lock like a Harrison / Holt pick of years past. Rivers also a lock - hell he had no real wr's and still had a great year last year. Gates if 100% like said will be a great QB-TE hook up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Blue 06 195 Posted June 23, 2011 Right now BB06 has the best team and actually I don't think it's really close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
famousb 11 Posted June 23, 2011 fyi, Moz liking your team is the kiss of death. I am willing to venture that the team Moz has picked as the best probably hasn't even made the playoffs the majority of the time... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Blue 06 195 Posted June 23, 2011 fyi, Moz liking your team is the kiss of death. I am willing to venture that the team Moz has picked as the best probably hasn't even made the playoffs the majority of the time... I know, last year the FFtoday majority picked my team as the best and we saw how that worked out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted June 23, 2011 I know, last year the FFtoday majority picked my team as the best and we saw how that worked out. I have your team rated pretty high...I'll keep working my way up the rankings, and we'll see how far you make it on the Jocometer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Blue 06 195 Posted June 23, 2011 I have your team rated pretty high...I'll keep working my way up the rankings, and we'll see how far you make it on the Jocometer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
