At least they weren't gay

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The APA's statement is on page 3 here: My link I don't know if this was the UC Davis guy to whom MDC referred, but he appears to be an expert on the subject: My link Don't want to repaste, but you can read the data he references if you think he is biased.

Reflecting the results of these and other studies, the mainstream view among researchers and professionals who work in the area of child sexual abuse is that homosexual and bisexual men do not pose any special threat to children.

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No, we should check the shiot out of them and make them remove their shoes too. Since we don't want to be unfair to one group in this society, we all have to endure groping, walking in our socks a little bit in the airport, etc.

Since heterosexual men can molest female children, albeit rarely, we shouldn't allow them in groups with girl members, right?

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The APA's statement is on page 3 here: My link I don't know if this was the UC Davis guy to whom MDC referred, but he appears to be an expert on the subject: My link Don't want to repaste, but you can read the data he references if you think he is biased.

 

I posted all of this last time. CO is the kind of religious true believer who discredits expert organizations but believes what he reads from some random bigot on the internet. The worst part is, he doesn't come off as stupid so he's either trolling or just willfully ignorant. I have no time for these kinds of people, just let them quietly go the way of the dinosaur ...

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I posted all of this last time. CO is the kind of religious true believer who discredits expert organizations but believes what he reads from some random bigot on the internet. The worst part is, he doesn't come off as stupid so he's either trolling or just willfully ignorant. I have no time for these kinds of people, just let them quietly go the way of the dinosaur ...

Oh sorry to rehash. I should have known I was wasting my time when the first line of his "data" refers to the gheys' "war on America’s Judeo-Christian culture". And he probably doesn't even believe they should be in the military.

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Oh sorry to rehash. I should have known I was wasting my time when the first line of his "data" refers to the gheys' "war on America’s Judeo-Christian culture". And he probably doesn't even believe they should be in the military.

 

Yeah, his link is right but the APA is biased. Oh and last time he posted a "critical review" of the literature from a similar anti-ghey source. The UC Davis study I liked to specifically cited CO's link as misleading, so he deleted it.

 

I don't know whether he's trolling or one of those religious true believers who is incapable of changing his mind on this issue but either way arguing with him is like arguing with a brick wall.

[Casual Observer 597]

Sorry I don't have access to journals on pedophilia and sexuality, but I'll look up some abstracts later. This is from a legal site: My link

 

You cited bullshiot leftist propaganda from the Southern Poverty Law Center, which relies on the same re-definition tactic you guys have been repeating over and over. It's similar to the "no true Scotsman" defense. Unfortunately, it flies in the face of common sense.

[Casual Observer 597]

The APA's statement is on page 3 here: My link I don't know if this was the UC Davis guy to whom MDC referred, but he appears to be an expert on the subject: My link Don't want to repaste, but you can read the data he references if you think he is biased.

 

Are any of the authors of the contra studies the UC Davis site criticizes experts in the field, or were they just amateurs trying their hands at this kind of research?

 

 

Do you want to pull some more research? Start here:

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9846781?dopt=Abstract

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Yeah, his link is right but the APA is biased. Oh and last time he posted a "critical review" of the literature from a similar anti-ghey source. The UC Davis study I liked to specifically cited CO's link as misleading, so he deleted it.

 

I don't know whether he's trolling or one of those religious true believers who is incapable of changing his mind on this issue but either way arguing with him is like arguing with a brick wall.

 

You're flat out lying. I never deleted any link, nor did I post a "critical review" of the literature. I posted the same link I posted above, which is an article that cites studies in the footnotes.

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Are any of the authors of the contra studies the UC Davis site criticizes experts in the field, or were they just amateurs trying their hands at this kind of research?

 

 

Do you want to pull some more research? Start here:

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9846781?dopt=Abstract

Now we're getting somewhere.

Large-sample studies reported that 53% to 94% of perpetrators were men, with up to half of female perpetrators being adolescent-aged baby-sitters. Small-sample studies revealed a similar predominance of male perpetrators. One study noted that 98% of these male perpetrators self-identified as heterosexual.

So most sexual abuse of boys is committed by men - I'm sure the same can be said for girls. This tells us nothing about the likelihood of a gay versus straight abuser (or neither, as the text I quoted earlier explains). Yet these pedophiles identified themselves as straight.

Most small-sample studies indicated that nonwhite males were more likely to be abused than white males. One study suggested that black males were less likely to be abused by females than white males.

 

Family factors that increased a boy's risk for sexual abuse included living with only 1 or neither parent; parental divorce, separation, or remarriage; parental alcohol abuse; and parental criminal behavior. Sexually abused boys were 15 times more likely than nonabused boys to have family members who also had been sexually abused (P = .001).

 

Many small-sample studies reported an association between socioeconomic status and male sexual abuse. Resnick and Blum found that sexual intercourse prior to age 10 years was associated with low socioeconomic status (P<.001). Violato and Genuis reported an association between male sexual abuse and paternal unemployment or unskilled labor (P<.05). Pierce and Pierce found that 52% of sexually abused young and adolescent boys had mothers receiving public assistance. Finally, Faller noted that boys abused by relatives were more than twice as likely to be of low socioeconomic status than those abused by nonrelatives (P = .003).

 

One study suggested that disabled boys may be sexually abused more frequently than nondisabled boys (P = .07)

I don't see exposure to the gheys anywhere in these risk factors, yet there is plenty of other potential discrimination fodder if you prefer.

 

And yes, the APA cites the UC Davis guy as an expert in the field. I guess if you really want to mitigate the likelihood of pedophilia in the scouts, only white males from intact, upstanding middle or upper class families should be allowed to join. And the scoutmasters should be lesbians.

The Williams Institute, a research center on sexual orientation law and public policy at UCLA School of Law, has announced new findings from the U.S. National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study (NLLFS), the longest-running study ever conducted on American lesbian families (now in its 24th year). In an article published today in the Archives of Sexual Behavior, the 17-year-old daughters and sons of lesbian mothers were asked about sexual abuse, sexual orientation, and sexual behavior.

 

The paper found that none of the 78 NLLFS adolescents reports having ever been physically or sexually abused by a parent or other caregiver. This contrasts with 26 percent of American adolescents who report parent or caregiver physical abuse and 8.3 percent who report sexual abuse.

 

According to the authors, "the absence of child abuse in lesbian mother families is particularly noteworthy, because victimization of children is pervasive and its consequences can be devastating. To the extent that our findings are replicated by other researchers, these reports from adolescents with lesbian mothers have implications for healthcare professionals, policymakers, social service agencies, and child protection experts who seek family models in which violence does not occur."

Original article here: My link

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Now we're getting somewhere. So most sexual abuse of boys is committed by men - I'm sure the same can be said for girls. This tells us nothing about the likelihood of a gay versus straight abuser (or neither, as the text I quoted earlier explains). Yet these pedophiles identified themselves as straight.I don't see exposure to the gheys anywhere in these risk factors, yet there is plenty of other potential discrimination fodder if you prefer.

 

And yes, the APA cites the UC Davis guy as an expert in the field. I guess if you really want to mitigate the likelihood of pedophilia in the scouts, only white males from intact, upstanding middle or upper class families should be allowed to join. And the scoutmasters should be lesbians. :thumbsup:Original article here: My link

 

 

You should go on "Ellen". You are quite the expert.

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You should go on "Ellen". You are quite the expert.

Are you gonna be a guest for me to anal-yze?

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So when a molester molests someone of the same sex he's not gay?

 

When a molester molests someone of the opposite sex that is a child, are they a conventional heterosexual?

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I don't think it's bunk. There are studies out there that conclude that gay men child molest at higher rates than heteros. However, I've already discussed this in another thread at length and don't have the time to waste on it today.

 

OMFG. Seriously? People molesting children are not "gay men". They are pedophiles. I am a heterosexual woman which means I am attracted to males. I do not look at an 8 year old boy and find him attractive. Just like "gay men" do not look at an 8 year old boy and find them attractive. Just like your every day HETEROSEXUAL adult male does not look at an 8 year old girl and find her attractive.

 

People that are attracted to children are called pedophiles. And the sexual abuse against young girls is significantly higher than sexual abuse against young boys.

 

Are people really this dumb? You don't have the time? Why would you even spew out something so utterly moronic and then claim you don't have the "time" to talk about it anymore? Jackass.

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Sorry I don't have access to journals on pedophilia and sexuality, but I'll look up some abstracts later. This is from a legal site: My link

 

This seems like the crux of what is being debated:

 

Anti-gay activists who make that claim allege that all men who molest male children should be seen as homosexual. But research by A. Nicholas Groth, a pioneer in the field of sexual abuse of children, shows that is not so. Groth found that there are two types of child molesters: fixated and regressive. The fixated child molester — the stereotypical pedophile — cannot be considered homosexual or heterosexual because "he often finds adults of either sex repulsive" and often molests children of both sexes. Regressive child molesters are generally attracted to other adults, but may "regress" to focusing on children when confronted with stressful situations. Groth found that the majority of regressed offenders were heterosexual in their adult relationships.

 

The fixated freaks are considered wired differently than either hetero or ghey. I'll buy that.

 

I highlighted the second part because it strikes me as lying with statistics, since there are significantly more heteros. I'm not saying that the opposite is therefore true though.

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I know Casual Observer is IMMensaMind because I read his posts and felt the need to punch my computer screen , punch a random person in the face at the grocery story and perhaps murder a small animal or two to get all the aggression out and free my mind after reading about 2 sentences. This is a scientific fact and can't be disproven.

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I know Casual Observer is IMMensaMind because I read his posts and felt the need to punch my computer screen , punch a random person in the face at the grocery story and perhaps murder a small animal or two to get all the aggression out and free my mind after reading about 2 sentences. This is a scientific fact and can't be disproven.

 

Well he's got the same way of saying incredibly stupid things in a very articulate way. But so far CO has managed to not threaten to fly to your home town, strangle you to death and make a leather jacket out of your corpse.

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I know Casual Observer is IMMensaMind because I read his posts and felt the need to punch my computer screen , punch a random person in the face at the grocery story and perhaps murder a small animal or two to get all the aggression out and free my mind after reading about 2 sentences. This is a scientific fact and can't be disproven.

 

This post kinda got me all hot.

 

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This seems like the crux of what is being debated:

 

 

 

The fixated freaks are considered wired differently than either hetero or ghey. I'll buy that.

 

I highlighted the second part because it strikes me as lying with statistics, since there are significantly more heteros. I'm not saying that the opposite is therefore true though.

I think the exact numberr was 98%, or about what some feel the hetero % is in the general population.

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Now we're getting somewhere. So most sexual abuse of boys is committed by men - I'm sure the same can be said for girls. This tells us nothing about the likelihood of a gay versus straight abuser (or neither, as the text I quoted earlier explains). Yet these pedophiles identified themselves as straight.I don't see exposure to the gheys anywhere in these risk factors, yet there is plenty of other potential discrimination fodder if you prefer.

 

 

 

That's because the conclusion that a man sexually abusing a boy is engaging in homosexual activity is so obvious that it's not necessary to be stated. Good thing you're willing to take the word of the pedos as to their self-identification, it's not like they'd be lying or anything. Moreover, that's one and only one study that came to that conclusion. There are others:

 

*A recent (2000) study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior said that "The best

epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2-4% of men attracted to adults prefer

men; in contrast, around 25-40% of men attracted to children prefer boys. Thus,

the rate of homosexual attraction is 6-20 times higher among pedophiles" [Ray

Blanchard, et al. "Fraternal Birth Order and Sexual Orientation in Pedophiles." Archives

of Sexual Behavior, Volume 29, Number 5 (2000), pages 463 to 478].

 

*Another 2000 study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that "... all but 9 of the 48

homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories" for sexual activity.

These age categories were fifteen and twenty years old [A. Zebulon, Z.A. Silverthorne

and Vernon L. Quinsey. "Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and

Heterosexual Men and Women." Archives of Sexual Behavior, February 2000 [Volume

29, Number 1], pages 67 to 76]

 

*Yet another recent study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that "Pedophilia

appears to have a greater than chance association with two other statistically

infrequent phenomenon. The first of these is homosexuality ... Recent surveys

estimate the prevalence of homosexuality, among men attracted to adults, in the

neighborhood of 2%. In contrast, the prevalence of homosexuality among

pedophiles may be as high as 30-40%" [Ray Blanchard, et al. "Pedophiles: Mental

Retardation, Maternal Age, and Sexual Orientation." Archives of Sexual Behavior,

Volume 28, Number 2, pages 111 to 127.

 

*A 1988 study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior that examined the traits of 229

convicted child molesters found that "eighty-six percent of offenders against [child]

males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual" [W.D. Erickson, N.H.

Walbek, and R.K. Seely, Department of Psychiatry, St. Paul Ramsey Medical Center

 

*In a 1992 study published in the Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, sex researchers

Freud and Watson found that "... the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles

was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting

proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic

development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually,"

 

This is not an exhaustive list.

 

And yes, the APA cites the UC Davis guy as an expert in the field. I guess if you really want to mitigate the likelihood of pedophilia in the scouts, only white males from intact, upstanding middle or upper class families should be allowed to join. And the scoutmasters should be lesbians. :thumbsup:Original article here: My link

 

 

The guy from the UC Davis site, Dr. Herek, is a gay activist and the guy that dreamed up this groupthink aspect of the gay movement. You are going around in a circle by adopting his views as your own and then pointing to him to bolster them. Dr. Herek is a fellow of the APA, which also publishes the affirmative work of the man-boy crowd:

 

"The same volume contains an article by Robert Bauserman-co-author of the A.P.A. study–which complains that objective research is impossible in a social climate that condemns man-boy sexual relationships. Bauserman decries the prevailing ideology that labels all boys as “victims” and all adult pedophiles as “perpetrators.” He attacks researchers Mzarek and Finkelhor as being driven by a “particular set of beliefs about adult-juvenile sex.” Bauserman looks for a new “scientific objectivity,” with the explicit call for research that will challenge the social-moral taboo against adult/child sex. The meta-analysis which he co-authored, and which the American Psychological Association published, can be seen as Bauserman’s follow-up to his Journal of Homosexuality article."

 

As I've said before, the APA loses credibility by publishing this shiot.

[Casual Observer 597]

When a molester molests someone of the opposite sex that is a child, are they a conventional heterosexual?

 

Why the qualifier "conventional"? What do you mean by it?

[Casual Observer 597]

I know Casual Observer is IMMensaMind because I read his posts and felt the need to punch my computer screen , punch a random person in the face at the grocery story and perhaps murder a small animal or two to get all the aggression out and free my mind after reading about 2 sentences. This is a scientific fact and can't be disproven.

 

We know two things with certainty:

 

1. I am not IMM, and

 

 

2. Phillybear was right on with his snap psychological assessment of you.

[Frank M 181]

The guy from the UC Davis site, Dr. Herek, is a gay activist and the guy that dreamed up this groupthink aspect of the gay movement. You are going around in a circle by adopting his views as your own and then pointing to him to bolster them. Dr. Herek is a fellow of the APA, which also publishes the affirmative work of the man-boy crowd:

 

"The same volume contains an article by Robert Bauserman-co-author of the A.P.A. study–which complains that objective research is impossible in a social climate that condemns man-boy sexual relationships. Bauserman decries the prevailing ideology that labels all boys as "victims" and all adult pedophiles as "perpetrators." He attacks researchers Mzarek and Finkelhor as being driven by a "particular set of beliefs about adult-juvenile sex." Bauserman looks for a new "scientific objectivity," with the explicit call for research that will challenge the social-moral taboo against adult/child sex. The meta-analysis which he co-authored, and which the American Psychological Association published, can be seen as Bauserman's follow-up to his Journal of Homosexuality article."

 

As I've said before, the APA loses credibility by publishing this shiot.

 

Wow, this is quite the incendiary paragraph with absolutely no link. What volume of what journal? A link to the article by this Bauserman fellow would be nice.

 

TIA

[Casual Observer 597]

Wow, this is quite the incendiary paragraph with absolutely no link. What volume of what journal? A link to the article by this Bauserman fellow would be nice.

 

TIA

 

An article published last summer in the American Psychological Associations Psychological Bulletin has drawn a recent firestorm of criticism. Talk show hosts and congressmen are calling for investigations. The outrage has focused on the authors conclusion, based on their analysis of child-molestation studies, that the negative effects [of sexual abuse] were neither pervasive nor typically intense.

 

The article was entitled A Meta-analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples.

 

 

"Last summer" would have been in 1998.

Edited September 21, 2012 by Casual Observer

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An article published last summer in the American Psychological Association’s Psychological Bulletin has drawn a recent firestorm of criticism. Talk show hosts and congressmen are calling for investigations. The outrage has focused on the authors’ conclusion, based on their analysis of child-molestation studies, that “the negative effects [of sexual abuse] were neither pervasive nor typically intense.”

 

The article was entitled “A Meta-analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples.”

 

 

"Last summer" would have been in 1998.

Did they have links in 1998?