LunaTick 30 Posted January 5, 2013 Midseason, when Ponder wasn't able to throw to a wide open AP. I started to think, what could the Vikes do next year to improve at QB. Of these, I looked at who would be FA. Nothing to consider there. Then of those possibly made available, such as through trade. Romo is one such name I considered, and instantly wanted to run away from. BTW, the prime option I came away with was to get Alex Smith and train Ponder. Expanded this with a trade for Fitzgerald. (Harvin to AZ or draft picks) (I hope the rumors here on Harvin are BS, but...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 827 Posted January 5, 2013 Midseason, when Ponder wasn't able to throw to a wide open AP. I started to think, what could the Vikes do next year to improve at QB. Of these, I looked at who would be FA. Nothing to consider there. Then of those possibly made available, such as through trade. Romo is one such name I considered, and instantly wanted to run away from. BTW, the prime option I came away with was to get Alex Smith and train Ponder. Expanded this with a trade for Fitzgerald. (Harvin to AZ or draft picks) (I hope the rumors here on Harvin are BS, but...) Minnesota would be elite with Tony Romo. 12-4 to 14-2 type record. But don't worry about it. The only people that think the Cowboys would ever get rid of Romo are A. People that don't watch him weekly. B. the knee jerk type fan that's opinion is completely based on the last week's game. And C. Black guys. Which sounds like a joke, but in DFW, black guys really hate Romo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LunaTick 30 Posted January 5, 2013 Herschel Walker was NOT one dimensional. One of the better running backs in the history of football at running, pass catching, and returning kicks. Look up the stats, they don't lie. By the time he came to MN. After NCAA< USFL< Boys, he was not much more than a vertical runner. One dimensional. If we were to go back, as Vikes fans, to alter moves made. Among those wished altered are. 1. Marcus Allen drafted instead of Darren Nelson. Which would have negated the need to trade Darren Nelson and a whole lot of picks, etc to the Boys for Walker. (some people over spend for brand names). 2. Hershel walker trade. (and plenty of others that include Burns instead of Les Steckel, Belick/Dungy instead of Green, Tomlin instead of Childress, Jeff George for one more, Moss instead of Childress, etc.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sirensong 111 Posted January 5, 2013 By the time he came to MN. After NCAA< USFL< Boys, he was not much more than a vertical runner. One dimensional. you mean, other than the 63 receptions per year he put up for DAL before MIN, and the 61 rec per year he put up for PHI after MIN? either number for a RB would have been ranked #2 this season, in a much more pass-happy era. and those were his averages. oh yeah--the year before the big trade, he put up over 1500 yards rushing, which would have been good for 4th this season. so...yeah...one-dimensional, i guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LunaTick 30 Posted January 6, 2013 you mean, other than the 63 receptions per year he put up for DAL before MIN, and the 61 rec per year he put up for PHI after MIN? either number for a RB would have been ranked #2 this season, in a much more pass-happy era. and those were his averages. oh yeah--the year before the big trade, he put up over 1500 yards rushing, which would have been good for 4th this season. so...yeah...one-dimensional, i guess. Was Walker ever more than a vertical runner? He is no AP. That trade was for an AP type player. He only put up 1500 yards once The only year he was the featured back in an offense that featured a featured running back. Prior 2 years, he was a duo with Dorset, they combined for about 1500. Prior to that Dorsett had a 1300 season. MN was RBBC prior during and after Walker. Both approaches grossed about the same rushing yards for the team, and about the same typical yardage. 750 to 800 yds . Additionally, it may be argued the trade weakened the Vikes for 90 and 91 they did not have winning records. Did in 88, 89 and 92. Only 89 was Walker on the team from week 6 on. Receiving side of the equation. I think it is two fold in MN. First MN was rbbc, so this would affect the receiving opps. Second, TE Steve Jordan would be the primary outlet http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/1988.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/1989.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/1990.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/1987.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/1988.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/1989.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sirensong 111 Posted January 6, 2013 Was Walker ever more than a vertical runner? He is no AP. That trade was for an AP type player. He only put up 1500 yards once The only year he was the featured back in an offense that featured a featured running back. ... i won't for a second argue that MIN got good value on that trade--they were taken to the cleaners. but you proved my point nicely--when he was a featured back, he brought in 1500+ yards. and he averaged 60+ REC per year even when he was in a RBBC. if that's one-dimensional in your book, then there are about 3 RBs currently in the league who aren't 1-dimensional. and WTF is a 'vertical' runner anyway? are you talking about an interior runner, or a slasher, or what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted January 6, 2013 The Dallas Cowboys will never win a SB with Tony Romo at QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lguero1 4 Posted January 6, 2013 The Dallas Cowboys will never win a SB with Tony Romo at QB. Sad but true. Romo is a loser. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 827 Posted January 6, 2013 The Dallas Cowboys will never win a SB with Tony Romo at QB. The odds are in your favor. Especially considering he is already 32. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
p00h 85 Posted January 6, 2013 Was Walker ever more than a vertical runner? He is no AP. That trade was for an AP type player. He only put up 1500 yards once The only year he was the featured back in an offense that featured a featured running back. Prior 2 years, he was a duo with Dorset, they combined for about 1500. Prior to that Dorsett had a 1300 season. MN was RBBC prior during and after Walker. Both approaches grossed about the same rushing yards for the team, and about the same typical yardage. 750 to 800 yds . Additionally, it may be argued the trade weakened the Vikes for 90 and 91 they did not have winning records. Did in 88, 89 and 92. Only 89 was Walker on the team from week 6 on. Receiving side of the equation. I think it is two fold in MN. First MN was rbbc, so this would affect the receiving opps. Second, TE Steve Jordan would be the primary outlet http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/1988.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/1989.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/1990.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/1987.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/1988.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/1989.htm quit while you're ahead bru...seriously, you're making an ass of yourself... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted January 6, 2013 The odds are in your favor. Especially considering he is already 32. I've been saying this for the last 6 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 827 Posted January 6, 2013 I've been saying this for the last 6 years. So after his initial 13 starts in which he went 8-5 and lead a team to the playoffs, you'd already determined he will never win one? Impressive. Can we go ahead and get your breakdown of how many titles Luck, RG3, and Wilson will win? They've played more games than Romo had at that time. So should be easy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted January 7, 2013 So after his initial 13 starts in which he went 8-5 and lead a team to the playoffs, you'd already determined he will never win one? Impressive. Can we go ahead and get your breakdown of how many titles Luck, RG3, and Wilson will win? They've played more games than Romo had at that time. So should be easy. Actually it was after they went 13-3 and didn't win a playoff game but yup I have been right year after year and Cowboy Fans always have a stupid reply but never a rebuttal. Let me see the 1 and 2 picks in the draft against and undrafted free agent from a Division I-AA college that never won anything. Figure it out for yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sirensong 111 Posted January 7, 2013 Actually it was after they went 13-3 and didn't win a playoff game but yup I have been right year after year and Cowboy Fans always have a stupid reply but never a rebuttal. math. you are bad at it. count 6 years backwards from jan 6 2013. what postseason was that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted January 7, 2013 math. you are bad at it. count 6 years backwards from jan 6 2013. what postseason was that? So it was 5 years, it still doesn't change the fact that the Dallas Cowboys will never win a SB with Tony Romo at QB. Please tell me what he has done in the past to make you think this statement is wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Rusty 19 Posted January 8, 2013 So it was 5 years, it still doesn't change the fact that the Dallas Cowboys will never win a SB with Tony Romo at QB. Please tell me what he has done in the past to make you think this statement is wrong. It's NOT a FACT until all is said and done. thought you should know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted January 8, 2013 It's NOT a FACT until all is said and done. thought you should know correct, my mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
