jonmx 2,424 Posted August 22, 2023 33 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: That’s what Americans want? Americans don't want it, but most are too dumb to realize that is what is happening. The establishment creates this irrational fear of everything conservative and the dumb masses hop on board the ship to authoritarianism. They even turned a bunch of peace activists into war-mongers because of Trump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,380 Posted August 22, 2023 1 hour ago, jonmx said: Everybody is divisive. I don't really care. I just want our friggin country back and i don't care if brain-dead idiots are offended. Trump is overboard. He goes out of his way to be that way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,424 Posted August 22, 2023 37 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: Trump is overboard. He goes out of his way to be that way. What is overboard is the FBI, CIA, IRS, DOJ and every other executive branch agency. It is an army of 4 million people, many of whom are abusing individual rights and freedom with zero accountability. That is what we should be pissed about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,380 Posted August 22, 2023 Just now, jonmx said: What is overboard is the FBI, CIA, IRS, DOJ and every other executive branch agency. It is an army of 4 million people, many of whom are abusing individual rights and freedom. That is what we should be pissed about. Vote for Vivek then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Horseshoe 348 Posted August 22, 2023 4 hours ago, seafoam1 said: Trump has proven that he has the balls to stand up to the liberal bullshlt without "falling in line" and getting his feelings hurt. Plus I think he was the best president this country has seen given the 100% harassment the liberals throw at republicans. Same with the endless media attacks on republicans. Trump only went after the media establishment because they mocked him endlessly. The seeds were planted in 2012, but it kept snowballing once 2015 came around. It was completely unnecessary. Hollywood, Big Social Media, that idiot Obama, Late Night TV, many others couldn't help themselves, they had to show their leftist arrogance. If they treated him as something other than a joke, none of this would have ever happened. At the 2020 Democratic National Convention, DNC HQ decided to give AOC just 60 seconds to speak. Combined with hosing Bernie Sanders, this caused a two front war for establishment Democrats. Again, it wasn't necessary, but it was the same leftist arrogance. Trump is in it for Trump. If any of it happened to help real working class people, that was a positive coincidence. When Trump does what he wants for Trump, and working class people have to suffer, he doesn't care. But while the entire country keeps talking about Trump, they aren't talking about things like health care, jobs, K-12 schools that need overhaul, affordable housing, national security, the economy, etc, etc. In that regard, Trump right now is HURTING all working class people. You are right in that "leftists" ( I have no quarrel with traditional liberals in this country) have no sense of boundaries nor respect and will do just about anything to destroy all Conservatives. No argument here. If they could get away with it, they'd have us all killed outright. Just line us up and have us all hanged. But I don't agree with you that Trump is a good President. He had good policy when Kellyanne Conway was running the country for him, when that stopped, the fracture points and decline began to show. The only reason Trump looks like an option for 2024 is because Team Blue has failed so catastrophically the past three years. He's not setting the bar so high, they've set the bar so low that Trump can see daylight again from the murky depths. Trump gets his feelings hurt all the time. It's why he attacks everything and everyone, all the time. If he had real thick skin, he would just brush it off and keep delivering wins for the American people. Trump is no hero. He was a useful tool in 2016 and now he's all burned out. He offers little to nothing for Conservatives in 2024 other than at least he's not a walking and stumbling human house plant like Joe Biden. The Big Cheeto's only real appeal is, with the "First Past The Post" system, we all only really get two choices. And since the other choice is Joe Biden, it's a race to see who is the least likely to be bribed by an egg salad sandwich. If Team Blue had one shred of real common sense, they would have backed Tulsi Gabbard entirely in 2020, and she would be looking to coast into her 2nd term as POTUS in 2024 easily. And not a single person would be talking about Donald Trump anymore. And many of the stupid things going on right now would not have ever happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted August 23, 2023 This is not a great look Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,380 Posted August 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, RLLD said: This is not a great look Meh. I thought he handled it well. I've seen others with worse responses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted August 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: Meh. I thought he handled it well. I've seen others with worse responses. I do agree. But this is not his shtick....this is a Trump behavior. I think this guys comes across differently, and would prefer he not dip into that mantra. While I thoroughly support standing up to corrupt media.....I saw him as being more skilled with it, better than this.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Horseshoe 348 Posted August 24, 2023 8 hours ago, RLLD said: I do agree. But this is not his shtick....this is a Trump behavior. I think this guys comes across differently, and would prefer he not dip into that mantra. While I thoroughly support standing up to corrupt media.....I saw him as being more skilled with it, better than this.... I disagree. The attempt here was to paint Ramaswamy in the same light as RFK JR, i.e. was some kind of fringe lunatic conspiracy theorist. IMHO, he was taken out of context. If you don't defend your boundaries, you allow someone else to frame the narrative around you. If Ramaswamy lets that happen, then he loses. Defending your boundaries is not the same as attacking someone. The "pushback" is because of the logistics of the circumstances. Short interviews remove all practical context. To explain himself would take time and context that CNN wouldn't give Vivek. Their only purpose was to operate as another hit job to see Trump win the primary, because Team Blue assesses that Trump is the only one they can beat. I understand the increase in hostility, part of Collins' strategy was to play into the open racism against Asians that many white Americans have in this country. She only has the job through the casting couch and because the hope is she will appeal to young white suburban women voters. Since Ramaswamy can't roll out context here, he's leaning into the major distrust of the clear corporate media establishment. The majority of Americans out there, aside from hard line zealots, don't have any reason to trust the overall MSM. They are activists, not journalists. From the optics standpoint Collins - "You can't trust him. He's a Republican and he's brown." Ramaswamy - "She's lying. Because the MSM always lies to you no matter what." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
