Fascist attacks on Individuals and Speech

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Building on the antifa executive order, which already targets a broad range of political speech, NSPM-7 directs federal agencies to prioritize investigations of a swath of identities and ideologies that it depicts as falling under “the umbrella of self-described ‘anti-fascism.’” These include “anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and anti-Christianity; support for the overthrow of the United States Government; extremism on migration, race, and gender; and hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family, religion, and morality.”

This breathtakingly broad list easily encompasses everyone from labor organizers, socialists, many libertarians, those who criticize Christianity, pro-immigration groups, anti-ICE protestors, and racial justice and transgender activists, to anyone who holds views that the administration considers to be “anti-American.” Under NSPM-7, the antifascist label can be attached to any of these types of people and groups and many more besides, giving the government maximum flexibility to pick and choose its targets.<<

Brennan Center

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“Anti-Americanism”, by definition, describes anyone who supports what ICE is currently doing. 

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, they just throw some Molotov cocktails once in a while. No big deal. Maybe torch a police car or two.  They’re just blowing off steam. Saints is a moron and FNord is a bigger moron. 

Better a moron than a fascist.

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On 9/20/2023 at 1:57 PM, Fnord said:

And this cover it nicely

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>>Donald J. Trump and his allies are planning a sweeping expansion of presidential power over the machinery of government if voters return him to the White House in 2025, reshaping the structure of the executive branch to concentrate far greater authority directly in his hands.

Their plans to centralize more power in the Oval Office stretch far beyond the former president’s recent remarks that he would order a criminal investigation into his political rival, President Biden, signaling his intent to end the post-Watergate norm of Justice Department independence from White House political control.

Mr. Trump and his associates have a broader goal: to alter the balance of power by increasing the president’s authority over every part of the federal government that now operates, by either law or tradition, with any measure of independence from political interference by the White House, according to a review of his campaign policy proposals and interviews with people close to him.

Mr. Trump intends to bring independent agencies — like the Federal Communications Commission, which makes and enforces rules for television and internet companies, and the Federal Trade Commission, which enforces various antitrust and other consumer protection rules against businesses — under direct presidential control.

He wants to revive the practice of “impounding” funds, refusing to spend money Congress has appropriated for programs a president doesn’t like — a tactic that lawmakers banned under President Richard Nixon.

He intends to strip employment protections from tens of thousands of career civil servants, making it easier to replace them if they are deemed obstacles to his agenda. And he plans to scour the intelligence agencies, the State Department and the defense bureaucracies to remove officials he has vilified as “the sick political class that hates our country.”<<

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7/17/23 - This was quite spot on.

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

>>Donald J. Trump and his allies are planning a sweeping expansion of presidential power over the machinery of government if voters return him to the White House in 2025, reshaping the structure of the executive branch to concentrate far greater authority directly in his hands.


Excellent! 

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Arc de Trumph appears to be in the works.

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Trump’s war on the left: Inside the plan to investigate liberal groups

>>WASHINGTON, Oct 9 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump's threatened crackdown on the finances and activities of liberal non-profits and groups opposed to his agenda is a multi-agency effort with top White House aide Stephen Miller playing a central role, according to officials.

The Trump administration plans to deploy America's counter-terrorism apparatus - including the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and the Justice Department - as well as the Internal Revenue Service and the Treasury Department against certain left-wing groups it accuses of funding and organizing political violence, the officials said.

The effort marks an escalation in the administration's efforts to target domestic opponents, raising alarm among civil rights groups and Democratic leaders about the use of executive power.

Reuters spoke to three White House officials, four Department of Homeland Security officials and one Justice Department official to produce the first comprehensive account of how decisions are being made, forces deployed, and operations coordinated in the crackdown.

All of the administration officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations more freely.

Miller is deeply involved in reviewing government agencies' investigations into the financial networks behind what the administration labels "domestic terror networks," which include nonprofits and even educational institutions, a White House official said.

The Trump administration has released some examples of what it alleges are incidents of left-wing violence, but it has provided little evidence of a coordinated effort.

 

…Two weeks after the September 10 assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, Trump issued a presidential memorandum directing the National Joint Terrorism Task Force to focus on "domestic terrorists" whose common ideologies include "anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and anti-Christianity."

…

It named nine liberal groups, donors or fundraising organizations that it said helped finance or plan protests where the violent incidents occurred.

While the second White House official stressed that the organizations were not necessarily potential targets, the material provides insight into the administration's thinking.

The list includes Soros' Open Society Foundations; ActBlue, the funding arm of the Democratic Party; Indivisible, a grassroots coalition opposed to Trump policies and the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, a Los Angeles-based group.

"The goal is to destabilize Soros’ network," a third White House official said.

Ezra Levin, a spokesperson for Indivisible, said the group has never organized or called for violence. "These smears are designed to delegitimize our movement," he said.

Carter Christensen, an ActBlue spokesperson, said Trump's crackdown was an attempt to silence dissent. "We take our legal and civic responsibilities seriously," he said.

Angelica Salas, the executive director of CHIRLA, said the group advocates peaceful engagement. “The Trump Administration continues to spread misinformation and false allegations," she said in a statement. "But it will not work."

Other groups on the list include two Jewish nonprofits that oppose Israel's war in Gaza - IfNotNow and Jewish Voice for Peace. IfNotNow declined to comment, while Jewish Voice for Peace did not respond to a request for comment.

TRUMP'S DIRECTIVES CAUSE CONFUSION

Miller is taking a "hands-on" role in investigating the funding of nonprofits and educational institutions and is sharing recommendations from Attorney General Pam Bondi and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent with Trump and other top advisers, the first White House official said.

The official said Miller is Trump's chief adviser on the issue and is receiving regular updates from the joint terrorism task force - a coalition of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies tasked with investigating terrorism.

A DOJ official declined to elaborate on task force plans but said the FBI's role includes analyzing financial networks for funding of activities involving violent crime.

Potential tools to defund or shut down these groups include IRS investigations to strip them of tax-exempt status; criminal probes by the Justice Department and FBI; surveillance by federal law enforcement agencies; the use of RICO statutes typically used for organized crime and financial investigations under anti-terror laws to identify donors and funders, according to people familiar with investigations and public statements by officials.

"We will continue to get to the bottom of who is funding these organizations," White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters on Monday.

Investigating the groups' funding and potentially stripping them of tax-exempt status could force some of them to close down, civil liberty groups say.

Trump last month also signed an executive order designating the anti-fascist movement antifa as a domestic terrorist organization, despite the group's decentralized nature and lack of formal structure.

At an event with conservative commentators and influencers on Wednesday, Trump requested participants to name groups and funders they claim carry out violence, effectively crowdsourcing potential targets in real time. He then vowed to pursue these groups.

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3 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Trump’s war on the left: Inside the plan to investigate liberal groups

 

Excellent. 

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When asked about the Egyptian Rabaa Massacre, in which 800 protestors were gunned down by military with Blackhawks, Trump says “It’s great.”

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EC US-Attorney Chris Christie, who prosecuted more gang land figures than Giuliani: we are living in a Capo Regime.

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On 10/10/2025 at 1:04 AM, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Trump’s war on the left: Inside the plan to investigate liberal groups

>>WASHINGTON, Oct 9 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump's threatened crackdown on the finances and activities of liberal non-profits and groups opposed to his agenda is a multi-agency effort with top White House aide Stephen Miller playing a central role, according to officials.

The Trump administration plans to deploy America's counter-terrorism apparatus - including the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and the Justice Department - as well as the Internal Revenue Service and the Treasury Department against certain left-wing groups it accuses of funding and organizing political violence, the officials said.

The effort marks an escalation in the administration's efforts to target domestic opponents, raising alarm among civil rights groups and Democratic leaders about the use of executive power.

Reuters spoke to three White House officials, four Department of Homeland Security officials and one Justice Department official to produce the first comprehensive account of how decisions are being made, forces deployed, and operations coordinated in the crackdown.

All of the administration officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations more freely.

Miller is deeply involved in reviewing government agencies' investigations into the financial networks behind what the administration labels "domestic terror networks," which include nonprofits and even educational institutions, a White House official said.

The Trump administration has released some examples of what it alleges are incidents of left-wing violence, but it has provided little evidence of a coordinated effort.

 

…Two weeks after the September 10 assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, Trump issued a presidential memorandum directing the National Joint Terrorism Task Force to focus on "domestic terrorists" whose common ideologies include "anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and anti-Christianity."

…

It named nine liberal groups, donors or fundraising organizations that it said helped finance or plan protests where the violent incidents occurred.

While the second White House official stressed that the organizations were not necessarily potential targets, the material provides insight into the administration's thinking.

The list includes Soros' Open Society Foundations; ActBlue, the funding arm of the Democratic Party; Indivisible, a grassroots coalition opposed to Trump policies and the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, a Los Angeles-based group.

"The goal is to destabilize Soros’ network," a third White House official said.

Ezra Levin, a spokesperson for Indivisible, said the group has never organized or called for violence. "These smears are designed to delegitimize our movement," he said.

Carter Christensen, an ActBlue spokesperson, said Trump's crackdown was an attempt to silence dissent. "We take our legal and civic responsibilities seriously," he said.

Angelica Salas, the executive director of CHIRLA, said the group advocates peaceful engagement. “The Trump Administration continues to spread misinformation and false allegations," she said in a statement. "But it will not work."

Other groups on the list include two Jewish nonprofits that oppose Israel's war in Gaza - IfNotNow and Jewish Voice for Peace. IfNotNow declined to comment, while Jewish Voice for Peace did not respond to a request for comment.

TRUMP'S DIRECTIVES CAUSE CONFUSION

Miller is taking a "hands-on" role in investigating the funding of nonprofits and educational institutions and is sharing recommendations from Attorney General Pam Bondi and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent with Trump and other top advisers, the first White House official said.

The official said Miller is Trump's chief adviser on the issue and is receiving regular updates from the joint terrorism task force - a coalition of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies tasked with investigating terrorism.

A DOJ official declined to elaborate on task force plans but said the FBI's role includes analyzing financial networks for funding of activities involving violent crime.

Potential tools to defund or shut down these groups include IRS investigations to strip them of tax-exempt status; criminal probes by the Justice Department and FBI; surveillance by federal law enforcement agencies; the use of RICO statutes typically used for organized crime and financial investigations under anti-terror laws to identify donors and funders, according to people familiar with investigations and public statements by officials.

"We will continue to get to the bottom of who is funding these organizations," White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters on Monday.

Investigating the groups' funding and potentially stripping them of tax-exempt status could force some of them to close down, civil liberty groups say.

Trump last month also signed an executive order designating the anti-fascist movement antifa as a domestic terrorist organization, despite the group's decentralized nature and lack of formal structure.

At an event with conservative commentators and influencers on Wednesday, Trump requested participants to name groups and funders they claim carry out violence, effectively crowdsourcing potential targets in real time. He then vowed to pursue these groups.

….<<

You did not give one crap about this the last few decades when tbe left was doing far worse to the right.  I hate such disingenuous outrage.  

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Just now, jonmx said:

You didnnot give one crap about this the last few decades when tbe left was doing far worse to the right.  I hate such disingenuous outrage.  

It's fun to see that they don't even come close to seeing their own hypocrisy. They just do what the liberal collective tells them to do and that's it. 

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4 hours ago, jonmx said:

You did not give one crap about this the last few decades when tbe left was doing far worse to the right.  I hate such disingenuous outrage.  

That’s pretty funny. I railed against the Clintons, specifically when Lynch met Bill Clinton on the tarmac. Even when it became clear they most likely hadn’t discussed anything substantive I still pointed out the appearance of conflict was atrocious, inappropriate & damaging. There were multiple other instances. And I defended the Republican DOJ practices as well. The torture memos, the firing of (gasp!) 6 or so US Attorneys. Man it all seems so ridiculous in hindsight compared to what has transpired. You and I certainly defended the same points often though.

And I notice you don’t bring up objecting to Republicans doing what you responded to above - the attacking of the funding of an entire party by criminalizing opposition, a hallmark of authoritarianism - and why? Because the Republicans never did it either.

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8 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

That’s pretty funny. I railed against the Clintons, specifically when Lynch met Bill Clinton on the tarmac. Even when it became clear they most likely hadn’t discussed anything substantive I still pointed out the appearance of conflict was atrocious, inappropriate & damaging. There were multiple other instances. And I defended the Republican DOJ practices as well. The torture memos, the firing of (gasp!) 6 or so US Attorneys. Man it all seems so ridiculous in hindsight compared to what has transpired. You and I certainly defended the same points often though.

And I notice you don’t bring up objecting to Republicans doing what you responded to above - the attacking of the funding of an entire party by criminalizing opposition, a hallmark of authoritarianism - and why? Because the Republicans never did it either.

so the sources for your Rueters story are--------------------------------------------------------------------------wait for it--------------------------------------------------------anonymous.

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8 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

That’s pretty funny. I railed against the Clintons, specifically when Lynch met Bill Clinton on the tarmac. Even when it became clear they most likely hadn’t discussed anything substantive I still pointed out the appearance of conflict was atrocious, inappropriate & damaging. There were multiple other instances. And I defended the Republican DOJ practices as well. The torture memos, the firing of (gasp!) 6 or so US Attorneys. Man it all seems so ridiculous in hindsight compared to what has transpired. You and I certainly defended the same points often though.

And I notice you don’t bring up objecting to Republicans doing what you responded to above - the attacking of the funding of an entire party by criminalizing opposition, a hallmark of authoritarianism - and why? Because the Republicans never did it either.

 

The Democrats have used federal regulators to force financial institutions to debank entire industries like the gun and crypto industries.  The Democrats put people who refused to get vaccines on terrorists no fly lists.  None of these are even remotely criminal activities.   The Democrats also had the FBI raid with large heavily armed teams the homes of dozens conservative journalists because their reporting exposed their corruption.

Now the Trump administration is targetting groups which fund a truly terrorist organization which is responsible for riots across the country including attacks on federal buildings.  And we are supposed to ignore this because seemingly 'the group's decentralized nature and lack of formal structure'.

The difference is the Democrats abused their authority because they could not outlaw stuff they don't like.  Trump is fighting actual acts of domestic terrorism.   Sorry but my pissed off level is 100x what the effing Democrats Nazis did. 

 

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16 minutes ago, shadrap said:

so the sources for your Rueters story are--------------------------------------------------------------------------wait for it--------------------------------------------------------anonymous.

Look I’m fine with the ‘usual don’t trust journalism’ response. Seriously. At least it sounds like you oppose that sort of thing in principle.

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19 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Look I’m fine with the ‘usual don’t trust journalism’ response. Seriously. At least it sounds like you oppose that sort of thing in principle.

too many made up stories from the usual suspects over the last 8 years

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1 hour ago, shadrap said:

so the sources for your Rueters story are--------------------------------------------------------------------------wait for it--------------------------------------------------------anonymous.

Good luck finding anyone willing to go on the record in this admin. They all know what happens when the Don turns against you. They've made it this far by being craven yes-men, why would they risk it now that they're so close to realizing their dreams of a GOP dictator Unitary Executive?

So many things about MAGA astound me, but the sudden reversal of norms and terms is unsettling. Anonymous reporting has always been the bedrock of investigative journalism in this country. It's like nobody wants to hear about malfeasance anymore unless it's coming from "the other side." I reject that, as all American should.

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1 hour ago, jonmx said:

 

The Democrats have used federal regulators to force financial institutions to debank entire industries like the gun and crypto industries.  The Democrats put people who refused to get vaccines on terrorists no fly lists.  None of these are even remotely criminal activities.   The Democrats also had the FBI raid with large heavily armed teams the homes of dozens conservative journalists because their reporting exposed their corruption.

Now the Trump administration is targetting groups which fund a truly terrorist organization which is responsible for riots across the country including attacks on federal buildings.  And we are supposed to ignore this because seemingly 'the group's decentralized nature and lack of formal structure'.

The difference is the Democrats abused their authority because they could not outlaw stuff they don't like.  Trump is fighting actual acts of domestic terrorism.   Sorry but my pissed off level is 100x what the effing Democrats Nazis did. 

 

Got legitimate links for any of this fever dream drivel, herr domestic terrorist?

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1 hour ago, jonmx said:

 

The Democrats have used federal regulators to force financial institutions to debank entire industries like the gun and crypto industries.  The Democrats put people who refused to get vaccines on terrorists no fly lists.  None of these are even remotely criminal activities.   The Democrats also had the FBI raid with large heavily armed teams the homes of dozens conservative journalists because their reporting exposed their corruption.

Now the Trump administration is targetting groups which fund a truly terrorist organization which is responsible for riots across the country including attacks on federal buildings.  And we are supposed to ignore this because seemingly 'the group's decentralized nature and lack of formal structure'.

The difference is the Democrats abused their authority because they could not outlaw stuff they don't like.  Trump is fighting actual acts of domestic terrorism.   Sorry but my pissed off level is 100x what the effing Democrats Nazis did. 

 

I’m happy to respond, but before that, would you just help me understand if you still view yourself as a Libertarian? Because if you’re arguing for maximizing state control to “debank” & criminalize political contributions & support then that is the far, far, far opposite end of the spectrum or graph from Libertarianism. It’s either nationalism or hard socialism or some mix of the two. TIA.

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9 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I’m happy to respond, but before that, would you just help me understand if you still view yourself as a Libertarian? Because if you’re arguing for maximizing state control to “debank” & criminalize political contributions & support then that is the far, far, far opposite end of the spectrum or graph from Libertarianism. It’s either nationalism or hard socialism or some mix of the two. TIA.

SID, my esteem for you as a poster is extremely high. You are polite, well spoken, and bring facts and legitimate questions. But this is you right now attempting to pull a string of sanity from a giant, hopelessly tangled knot of hate:

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37 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Good luck finding anyone willing to go on the record in this admin. They all know what happens when the Don turns against you. They've made it this far by being craven yes-men, why would they risk it now that they're so close to realizing their dreams of a GOP dictator Unitary Executive?

So many things about MAGA astound me, but the sudden reversal of norms and terms is unsettling. Anonymous reporting has always been the bedrock of investigative journalism in this country. It's like nobody wants to hear about malfeasance anymore unless it's coming from "the other side." I reject that, as all American should.

I reject all stories based on anonymous sources.   3 years, 80 million dollars, & irrefutable proof from anonymous sources regarding Russian collusion.

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4 minutes ago, shadrap said:

I reject all stories based on anonymous sources.   3 years, 80 million dollars, & irrefutable proof from anonymous sources regarding Russian collusion.

Well good luck getting the real information from named sources, then. What you'll end up with is a feedback loop of propaganda. And you don't strike me as the type that ACTUALLY wants that.

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32 minutes ago, shadrap said:

I reject all stories based on anonymous sources.   3 years, 80 million dollars, & irrefutable proof from anonymous sources regarding Russian collusion.

It is kind of funny. Comey, Republican. Wray, Republican. Mueller, Republican. Senate report, Republican majority. You could just look at purely Republican sources & entirely avoid journalism on the subject altogether.

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1 hour ago, Fnord said:

SID, my esteem for you as a poster is extremely high. You are polite, well spoken, and bring facts and legitimate questions. But this is you right now attempting to pull a string of sanity from a giant, hopelessly tangled knot of hate:

Thanks. And I’ve heard this point before. IMO there is almost no daylight between the Jonmx’s of the world, who used to occupy odd corners of the www, & say Stephen Miller, who’s practically running the government now. I think it’s worth it to put a nail on it, but then we’ve likely learned all we need to learn on the subject. And really having read a good deal of history, it’s old techniques. Basically ordinary citizens are put to a CHOICE in every aspect of their life - personal, work, political - and the choice is that anything done by the state is justifiable because “the other side” (the left, the socialists, the communists) are an existential thread, to ethnicity, to the homeland (we never used to use that word), religion (ie evangelical Christianity), on & on. And really the DOI,  Constitution & our Founders’ basic documents & ideals are inapposite of all that & there is no longer the broadly held essential agreement or compact we once had in this country. I understand that, I’m certainly not thinking I can influence or persuade the Jonmxes of the world, I assure you. 

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Thanks. And I’ve heard this point before. IMO there is almost no daylight between the Jonmx’s of the world, who used to occupy odd corners of the www, & say Stephen Miller, who’s practically running the government now. I think it’s worth it to put a nail on it, but then we’ve likely learned all we need to learn on the subject.

Truth. I will say that one distinction between them is that I genuinely believe that @jonmx believes himself to be a patriot and loves this country. I hate using the word, but Stephen Miller is every inch a fascist and has no qualms with it.

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8 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Truth. I will say that one distinction between them is that I genuinely believe that @jonmx believes himself to be a patriot and loves this country. I hate using the word, but Stephen Miller is every inch a fascist and has no qualms with it.

Part of what’s happening is yes people who love their country are used by Trump, Miller & Co. I’m not being patronizing, it’s sad & tragic.

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2 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I’m happy to respond, but before that, would you just help me understand if you still view yourself as a Libertarian? Because if you’re arguing for maximizing state control to “debank” & criminalize political contributions & support then that is the far, far, far opposite end of the spectrum or graph from Libertarianism. It’s either nationalism or hard socialism or some mix of the two. TIA.

Where did I argue for it?  I think what the Democrats did was beyond disgusting low-life corruption.  Now if the feds can prove these so-called non-profits are funnelling money to ANTIFA which is a known violent group of terrorists, i have no issues with taking away their status and criminally prosecuting them.  ANTIFA is a terrorist group by any definition. 

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Today in OpSec, what is it? — EXCLUSIVE ‘I love Hitler’: Leaked messages expose Young Republicans’ racist chat Thousands of private messages reveal young GOP leaders joking about gas chambers, slavery and rape.

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Part of what’s happening is yes people who love their country are used by Trump, Miller & Co. I’m not being patronizing, it’s sad & tragic.

Ironic since it is the corporate-state elites who have brainwashed the masses through their control of the media, tech and educational system.  The reason Musk became the most hated man in America for a while is because he broke through the fascist monopoly over big tech.   It is not me who is being used, but those who view our media, educational system, CIA/State Department as honest actors who are working for a free society.   They have been collectively slowly turning America into an authoritarian state for decades.  But you somehow think it is Trump, which is absurd.  

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7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Today in OpSec, what is it? — EXCLUSIVE ‘I love Hitler’: Leaked messages expose Young Republicans’ racist chat Thousands of private messages reveal young GOP leaders joking about gas chambers, slavery and rape.

Yes, I am sure none of those are sarcastic comments mocking how the real fascists in the media portray them. 

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1 minute ago, jonmx said:

Where did I argue for it?  I think what the Democrats did was beyond disgusting low-life corruption.  Now if the feds can prove these so-called non-profits are funnelling money to ANTIFA which is a known violent group of terrorists, i have no issues with taking away their status and criminally prosecuting them.  ANTIFA is a terrorist group by any definition. 

“a known violent group of terrorists“.

Here is an example of a recent example of a terror plot uncovered in Belgium & the UK.

Belgium foils Jihadist plot to kill Prime Minister and other politicians in drone attack

Sb what is an example of an Antifa attack that you think we’ve seen or that was foiled?

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1 minute ago, jonmx said:

Yes, I am sure none of those are sarcastic comments mocking how the real fascists in the media portray them. 

Ah, Holocaust humor, slavery sarcasm & rape ribaldry. Got it.

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5 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Yes, I am sure none of those are sarcastic comments mocking how the real fascists in the media portray them. 

Those of us living in the real, professional world would never in a million goddam years be a part of something like that, even in jest. This ain't your fantasy football draft. It's the "future leaders" of our country. Not surprising that you would brush it off like a piece of dandruff.

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13 minutes ago, jonmx said:

the corporate-state elites 

Should we go through the President, VP & Cabinet, or nah? Let me guess, Bobby Junior is the “good corporate state elite.” Peter Thiel’s hand upside JD Vance’s suit is for warmth.

Jon - Palantir? You back that shyzz? I don’t believe it. I do NOT believe JonMX is ok with that.

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28 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

“a known violent group of terrorists“.

Here is an example of a recent example of a terror plot uncovered in Belgium & the UK.

Belgium foils Jihadist plot to kill Prime Minister and other politicians in drone attack

Sb what is an example of an Antifa attack that you think we’ve seen or that was foiled?

Even CNN report says ANTIFA engages in violent acts of terrorism and has had their own journalists and camera crews violently attacked by Antifa.  

 

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5 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Even CNN report says ANTIFA engages in violent acts of terrorism and has had their own journalists and camera crews violently attacked by Antifa.  

Before I address this - again “Anarchists” are to the far right of Libertarians. They object to all government.

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6 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Even CNN report says ANTIFA engages in violent acts of terrorism and has had their own journalists and camera crews violently attacked by Antifa.  

 

This is from 2017 & describes anarchists organizing to get in street fights with actual Nazis, who as you know are also right wing.

I presented a recent example of islamists using drones to try to assassinate a NATO leader & cause international chaos, & you suggest something from Trump1 involving street fighting in a Southern college town. It’s not remotely the same thing.

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23 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Should we go through the President, VP & Cabinet, or nah? Let me guess, Bobby Junior is the “good corporate state elite.” Peter Thiel’s hand upside JD Vance’s suit is for warmth.

Jon - Palantir? You back that shyzz? I don’t believe it. I do NOT believe JonMX is ok with that.

You really have no clue how this works.  Who becomes president is largely controlled by the national political parties who push upon us the Clintons or the Bushes or the Fords or Mondales.  Every once in a while a rogue candidate like a Kennedy or a Reagan or a Trump slips through the process.   The majority of powerful people in both parties are sellouts to the powerful elites.  When a Kennedy or Trump does get through the force upon them a Johnson/Bush/Pense as VP and fill the cabinet with a bunch of their lackeys.   Whoever is president power is usually tied up by their advisors.  If they do get too far out of line, scandals are created or in extreme case like JFK, they are assassinated.   Of course i am sure you believe the asine theory of a lone gunman, which i can not believe any thinking person really buys.  

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4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This is from 2017 & describes anarchists organizing to get in street fights with actual Nazis, who as you know are also right wing.

I presented a recent example of islamists using drones to try to assassinate a NATO leader & cause international chaos, & you suggest something from Trump1 involving street fighting in a Southern college town. It’s not remotely the same thing.

2020 liberal rioters were right wingers?