South Carolina becomes 29th state in nation with constitutional carry law

[Nomad99 726]

5 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

You said you carry at least 5 days a week. Whether you will say its paranoia or prepared you are not able to function going out into society without one. 
 

Im convinced the bad thing that will happen is a legal gun owner will lose it at a nicer place im at…not some unrealistic gangbanger with a stolen in some bad neighborhood 

I can function just fine without carrying.....I just choose to carry. 

Your "Belief" that a "Legal" gun owner will "Loose it" sounds like paranoia

[cyclone24 1,913]

6 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

I can function just fine without carrying.....I just choose to carry. 

Your "Belief" that a "Legal" gun owner will "Loose it" sounds like paranoia

No, it’s just somewhat common sense isn’t it? Do I live in area that has a lot of stolen guns? No do I live in an area that has a lot of gang activity? No. 
Do we live in an area with lots of legal gun owners? Yes…big popular gathering areas? Yes. 
 

[Nomad99 726]

20 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

No, it’s just somewhat common sense isn’t it? Do I live in area that has a lot of stolen guns? No do I live in an area that has a lot of gang activity? No. 
Do we live in an area with lots of legal gun owners? Yes…big popular gathering areas? Yes. 
 

Yet.....Statistics indicate you are still more likely to run into a violent felon than you are a "rogue" legal gun owner......indicating Paranoia. You can't alter data to support your beliefs. Now you are most certainly more likely to encounter (knowingly or unknowingly), a legal gun owner(given the utopia you live in & confine yourself to) vs a violent felon......but still more likely to encounter a violent felon than a good guy gone bad. To think otherwise points towards Paranoia. 

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Believe it or not, there are good people living in bad areas. Should they be able to carry protection?

[Nomad99 726]

2 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

Believe it or not, there are good people living in bad areas. Should they be able to carry protection?

Heretic  No! They should immediately improve their financial status & take the monorail to Utopia!

[cyclone24 1,913]

3 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

Yet.....Statistics indicate you are still more likely to run into a violent felon than you are a "rogue" legal gun owner......indicating Paranoia. You can't alter data to support your beliefs. Now you are most certainly more likely to encounter (knowingly or unknowingly), a legal gun owner(given the utopia you live in & confine yourself to) vs a violent felon......but still more likely to encounter a violent felon than a good guy gone bad. To think otherwise points towards Paranoia. 

Yeah, but you’re taking those numbers almost in vacuum. If you don’t live near any violent felons with illegal guns, how likely do you think it is that that’s going to occur versus living in a suburban neighborhood with a proximity to larger gathering areas with mostly legal gun owners? It’s like you’re taking inner-city Chicago statistics and saying oh well Chicago is really dangerous when you live out in Winnetka (chi suburb) 

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What about the people who do live in areas near violent felons? Should they be allowed to carry protection?

[Nomad99 726]

23 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Yeah, but you’re taking those numbers almost in vacuum. If you don’t live near any violent felons with illegal guns, how likely do you think it is that that’s going to occur versus living in a suburban neighborhood with a proximity to larger gathering areas with mostly legal gun owners? It’s like you’re taking inner-city Chicago statistics and saying oh well Chicago is really dangerous when you live out in Winnetka (chi suburb) 

It's you who seems to be operating from a vacuum. Basing your entire argument & the will you would impose on others on the belief that nothing bad happens in your little slice of heaven & others like it. Furthermore,  you would have laws cater to those few living behind castle walls rather than the vast majority that don't. Again, your paranoia, is driving YOUR agenda. Your belief that nothing bad will ever happen to me has already been proven wrong twice. Your "Bubble" doesn't extend beyond your environment. I don't look down on you because you don't like guns or wouldn't own one. What I do look down on is your smug beliefs that something akin to a mental disorder is driving my desire to protect myself against crime.

[Nomad99 726]

 

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42 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

It’s like you’re taking inner-city Chicago statistics and saying oh well Chicago is really dangerous when you live out in Winnetka (chi suburb

There's a reason these areas aren't as dangerous. Why is that? 

[Dozer FBG 325]

I’ve seen guns drawn four times in my lifetime. How normal is that?

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A surge of illegal homemade machine guns has helped fuel US gun violence.  I would say this is a worldly problem, and it’s going to grow.

This is way we need to keep our second Amendment, to those dummy’s that think we should eliminate the second Amendment are fools , and talk foolish talk,  the bad peoples will not be given theirs up, they will make then stronger,  don’t worry I’ll help protect you fools.  

Thank you Jesus.   

[Nomad99 726]

1 minute ago, Dozer FBG said:

I’ve seen guns drawn four times in my lifetime. How normal is that?

Tough to tell. Statisticly that sounds high....any more context?

[cyclone24 1,913]

12 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

There's a reason these areas aren't as dangerous. Why is that? 

Holy shiit tell me you’re trying to attribute this to legal gun ownership versus illegal gun ownership. 

[Dozer FBG 325]

5 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

Tough to tell. Statisticly that sounds high....any more context?

Sure. None of them occurred at Church or in a grocery store.

[Nomad99 726]

13 minutes ago, Dozer FBG said:

Sure. None of them occurred at Church or in a grocery store.

Well then......looks like you need to move to utopia asap

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2 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

Well then......looks like you need to move to utopia asap

Already there, brother…

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One more reason why South Cackalacky is on my short list of relocation destinations. 

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South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster signed permitless carry into law Thursday, marking the second Republican-led state in two days to adopt constitutional carry gun laws. "This new law will provide strict increased penalties for illegal gun use and possession by criminals. Now, law enforcement, prosecutors and judges can keep career violent criminals behind bars where they belong, where they can no longer hurt innocent South Carolinians," McMaster said this week of the legislation. The NRA- backed bill allows eligible citizens 18 and older to carry a firearm in public without gaining approval and a permit from the government. The state Senate passed the bill Wednesday in a 28-18 vote, while the state House passed the legislation the day prior, with lawmakers voting 86-33.

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14 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster signed permitless carry into law Thursday, marking the second Republican-led state in two days to adopt constitutional carry gun laws. "This new law will provide strict increased penalties for illegal gun use and possession by criminals. Now, law enforcement, prosecutors and judges can keep career violent criminals behind bars where they belong, where they can no longer hurt innocent South Carolinians," McMaster said this week of the legislation. The NRA- backed bill allows eligible citizens 18 and older to carry a firearm in public without gaining approval and a permit from the government. The state Senate passed the bill Wednesday in a 28-18 vote, while the state House passed the legislation the day prior, with lawmakers voting 86-33.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what is known as common sense gun law. 

 

[cyclone24 1,913]

11 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what is known as common sense gun law. 

 

OK I’m going to try to understand your side on this. Am i to understand even if you are mentally ill, there is no checks and balances to you getting a gun now in South Carolina? 
I have not read it in full, so please correct me if this is not accurate

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1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

OK I’m going to try to understand your side on this. Am i to understand even if you are mentally ill, there is no checks and balances to you getting a gun now in South Carolina? 
I have not read it in full, so please correct me if this is not accurate

I haven't read the whole bill either but this clause would indicate that mentally ill people would not be legally allowed to own or carry. 

"allows eligible citizens 18 and older to.."

Mentally defective people are precluded by federal law from purchasing firearms. 

[Nomad99 726]

7 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

I haven't read the whole bill either but this clause would indicate that mentally ill people would not be legally allowed to own or carry. 

"allows eligible citizens 18 and older to.."

Mentally defective people are precluded by federal law from purchasing firearms. 

And a background check is still required. Not sure if that is the case with private sales as it is is most other states. 

[cyclone24 1,913]

1 minute ago, Nomad99 said:

And a background check is still required. Not sure if that is the case with private sales as it is is most other states. 

Ok thanks. 

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6 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

And a background check is still required. Not sure if that is the case with private sales as it is is most other states. 

 

Hopefully the I in "NICS" works in SC. 

Here in CA it takes 10 days. 

 

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24 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

OK I’m going to try to understand your side on this. Am i to understand even if you are mentally ill, there is no checks and balances to you getting a gun now in South Carolina? 
I have not read it in full, so please correct me if this is not accurate

Ughhhh. YES, YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH A STRICT BACKGROUND CHECK THROUGH SLED. IF YOU WERE A CONVICTED FELON, YOU CANNOT OWN OR POSSES A FIREARM. IF YOU OWE CHILD SUPPORT OR HAVE A RESTRAINING ORDER YOU CANNOT OWN OR POSSES A FIREARM. IF YOU HAVE A WARRANT YOU CANNOT OWN OR POSSES A FIREARM. IF YOU ARE CURRENTLY UNDER MENTAL EVALUATION, YOU CANNOT OWN OR POSSES A FIREARM. 

THAT'S JUST A FEW OF THE HURDLES. 

[Nomad99 726]

5 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Ok thanks. 

I think a lot of the confusion about the laws center around that. At any gun dealer, you will have to pass a background check. There may still be states where you can circumvent this through private sale.....if not closed, that loophole is closing. In MA for instance, I can sell a gun privately. Both buyer & seller have to input all our info on the MA gun portal site....once completed, the transfer/sale will be approved or denied. 

[Nomad99 726]

4 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

 

Hopefully the I in "NICS" works in SC. 

Here in CA it takes 10 days. 

 

Ouch........never left a shop without my purchase....that's in MA

[cyclone24 1,913]

3 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

I think a lot of the confusion about the laws center around that. At any gun dealer, you will have to pass a background check. There may still be states where you can circumvent this through private sale.....if not closed, that loophole is closing. In MA for instance, I can sell a gun privately. Both buyer & seller have to input all our info on the MA gun portal site....once completed, the transfer/sale will be approved or denied. 

Ah ok fair enough 

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1 minute ago, Nomad99 said:

Ouch........never left a shop without my purchase....that's in MA

No sh!t? I know that's the case in many states but MA is supposed to be CA East when it comes to gun laws.  

It's like paying full price to put something on layaway here. 

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9 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

Ouch........never left a shop without my purchase....that's in MA

You don't have to have one here in SC but I am permitted through SLED which means I've taken the required firearm training, passed all of the federal background checks, etc. 

Because of this it takes me 10 minutes to purchase a weapon. They run my name through the data base and if it comes up clean, I can purchase as many guns as I want, in minutes. 

That's exactly how it should be. 

[Nomad99 726]

10 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Ah ok fair enough 

Keep in mind...people without scruples can & do circumvent this process.....no law will prevent that but BAD JUJU if caught. 

[Nomad99 726]

10 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

No sh!t? I know that's the case in many states but MA is supposed to be CA East when it comes to gun laws.  

It's like paying full price to put something on layaway here. 

I don't know what triggers the delay. In MA everyone with a permit gets a pin# to be used on all transactions. If you run into issues you can apply for a specific code# that usually fixes the problem. I personally have never had an issue....possibly due the the shear length that I've been in the system & number of transactions. 

[Nomad99 726]

14 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

No sh!t? I know that's the case in many states but MA is supposed to be CA East when it comes to gun laws.  

It's like paying full price to put something on layaway here. 

I'm so clean, I've had a non-resident permit to carry in MA when living in NH....when people in MA couldn't get one.

[Maximum Overkill 1,915]

50 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

OK I’m going to try to understand your side on this. Am i to understand even if you are mentally ill, there is no checks and balances to you getting a gun now in South Carolina? 
I have not read it in full, so please correct me if this is not accurate

Are you serious? Do you think there are no Federal Background Checks required to purchase a firearm in SC? SC (SLED) is very strict and thorough. Read my other post on just some of the background requirements. 

[Nomad99 726]

7 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You don't have to have one here in SC but I am permitted through SLED which means I've taken the required firearm training, passed all of the federal background checks, etc. 

Because of this it takes me 10 minutes to purchase a weapon. They run my name through the data base and if it comes up clean, I can purchase as many guns as I want, in minutes. 

That's exactly how it should be. 

Getting better around here too. ME, VT & NH are all Constitutional carry so I can cc in those states as well.

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1 minute ago, Nomad99 said:

I don't know what triggers the delay. In MA everyone with a permit gets a pin# to be used on all transactions. If you run into issues you can apply for a specific code# that usually fixes the problem. I personally have never had an issue....possibly due the the shear length that I've been in the system & number of transactions. 

It's state law. Mandatory 10 day waiting period on all firearm purchases. 

I might be able to understand that for first time purchasers but what logical reason is there to make a guy who has legally purchased 12 guns, and never committed a crime, wait 10 days before taking possession of his 13th? 

It's illogical and unnecessary. 

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1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

It's state law. Mandatory 10 day waiting period on all firearm purchases. 

I might be able to understand that for first time purchasers but what logical reason is there to make a guy who has legally purchased 12 guns, and never committed a crime, wait 10 days before taking possession of his 13th? 

It's illogical and unnecessary. 

Speaking of illogical and unnecessary, CA now requires a BGC to purchase ammo. Yeah, ammo.

[Nomad99 726]

2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

It's state law. Mandatory 10 day waiting period on all firearm purchases. 

I might be able to understand that for first time purchasers but what logical reason is there to make a guy who has legally purchased 12 guns, and never committed a crime, wait 10 days before taking possession of his 13th? 

It's illogical and unnecessary. 

Oh, yeah....that's uncalled for.