Malik Nabers may be the first receiver taken.

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17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m pretty sure I can name 50 better WR’s than Adam Thielen. Probably 100 

Feel free. Right now he's top 80 with nearly 640 receptions. 

He had over 100 receptions last year. 

Have at it. 

 

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3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Feel free. Right now he's top 80 with nearly 640 receptions. 

He had over 100 receptions last year. 

Have at it. 

 

Justin Jefferson has 392. Is he better than him? 

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I will talk about what is in the padt or what I would like for a team to do. Coming across as an ass saying you know what will happen and who will be good will never called out 3 years down the road because no one cares to go back and call you out. 

You can say 10 particular players will be great before they get drafted, but you will always end up only highlighting the ones you were right on. No one cares to look up your actual record on hits or misses years down the road. It's easy to be a big talker.

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6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Justin Jefferson has 392. Is he better than him? 

So far Jefferson is. Are you going to bring up Jerry Rice and Randy Moss next? I said top 80 close to being top 50 in another year or two in my opinion. 

You need to bring up the freaks of nature?

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11 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Feel free. Right now he's top 80 with nearly 640 receptions. 

He had over 100 receptions last year. 

Have at it. 

 

Adam Theilen was at least productive in College. McConkley sucked!!! He's just fast and white, he has absolutely nothing else going for him. 30 catches last season in a big time program!!!! 

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17 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

So far Jefferson is. Are you going to bring up Jerry Rice and Randy Moss next? I said top 80 close to being top 50 in another year or two in my opinion. 

You need to bring up the freaks of nature?

80 in receptions and 100 + in yards and guys that are playing now will be passing him easily. Can’t see the case for being top 50.  Maybe he squeak a inside the top 100, but not for long. 

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5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

80 in receptions and 100 + in yards and guys that are playing now will be passing him easily. Can’t see the case for being top 50.  Maybe he squeak a inside the top 100, but not for long. 

The 100+ receptions last year is turning you off of him?

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34 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Adam Theilen was at least productive in College. McConkley sucked!!! He's just fast and white, he has absolutely nothing else going for him. 30 catches last season in a big time program!!!! 

Andy Isabella had 100 catches and 1700 yds his last college season?  Whats that mean for him?  

What else does he have going for him?  He is probably the best route runner in the class.  He doesn't have elite athleticism but he has more than enough.   Hes small but he is basically 6 foot.  Hes not some 5'8 gadget.  And hes probably one of the smarter/better workers in the class.  Good hands.  What do you mean what does he have going for him?  

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Andy Isabella

Andy Isabella wasn't drafted as the WR1, unless I missed something. I believe late second?? 

The only reason we're discussing this is because that idiot said McConkley is the best WR in this draft. 

 

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Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

Andy Isabella wasn't drafted as the WR1, unless I missed something. I believe late second?? 

The only reason we're discussing this is because that idiot said McConkley is the best WR in this draft. 

 

Oh.  Didnt know we were still on that.  Its 90s saying the white guy will be the best.  I didnt get hung up on that.  Im discussing McConkey as a prospect at this point.  If you want to argue with 90s about something goofy like that knock yourself out.  

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4 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Andy Isabella wasn't drafted as the WR1, unless I missed something. I believe late second?? 

The only reason we're discussing this is because that idiot said McConkley is the best WR in this draft. 

 

Brady was drafted in the sixth round. You would be the same guy arguing ad nauseum back then about how he sucks coming out of college and has no chance.

 

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Im discussing McConkey as a prospect at this point.  If you want to argue with 90s about something goofy like that knock yourself out.

You're not wrong. 

I do like his pedigree but when the production doesn't match the pedigree it's usually a red flag. 4 touchdowns in 3 years on the best team in the Country? That's horrible! 

 

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2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Brady was drafted in the sixth round

Seriously? We're going there? 

Stick with Maye is better than Caleb Williams. At least that has flimsy legs, if any. 

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Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

You're not wrong. 

I do like his pedigree but when the production doesn't match the pedigree it's usually a red flag. 4 touchdowns in 3 years on the best team in the Country? That's horrible! 

 

McLaurin didnt have huge numbers on good teams.  There is an example.  

McConkey comes off as a guy that will be a better pro.  He needs a good QB to unlock all his potential.   But hes going to be in the right spot on time.  Hes going to make chain moving catches.  Hes going to play all positions.  His suddenness in and out of breaks is elite.  For college he has elite footwork that will only get better since hes going to work.  

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3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Seriously? We're going there? 

Stick with Maye is better than Caleb Williams. At least that has flimsy legs, if any. 

Nabers thread.  And you really should try to get off your take on the WRs. 

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And to be fair, its still low production but he was banged up last season.  His game can be better in thr pros where the QBs are on time and accurate.  Hes going to get open.  

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1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

But watch Chiefs draft McConkey

They'll be much better WRs at the end of the first, they shouldn't have to reach for McConkey. Now if they want to take a shot in the late second or third I'd get it. 

They'd be foolish to overdraft him in the first. 

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1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

They'll be much better WRs at the end of the first, they shouldn't have to reach for McConkey. Now if they want to take a shot in the late second or third I'd get it. 

They'd be foolish to overdraft him in the first. 

I like AD Mitchell.  Not sure why Worthy is above McConkey.  Hes smaller yet.  And doesn't have near the polish.   

Depends what type of WR you are looking for.   Im fine with a team taking McConkey after the top 3 Mitchell and Thomas.  And that falls directly in the late 1st early 2nd range.  

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3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I like AD Mitchell.  Not sure why Worthy is above McConkey.  Hes smaller yet.  And doesn't have near the polish.   

Depends what type of WR you are looking for.   Im fine with a team taking McConkey after the top 3 Mitchell and Thomas.  And that falls directly in the late 1st early 2nd range.  

I have McConkey more in that WR12 range. I could definitely see a team falling in love with the pedigree and drafting him a bit earlier though. 

Again, the production worries me. He never had a breakout season in a high scoring offense, that's concerning. Minimal production even when healthy. I don't know why that would change in the NFL. 

 

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Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

I have McConkey more in that WR12 range. I could definitely see a team falling in love with the pedigree and drafting him a bit earlier though. 

Again, the production worries me. He never had a breakout season in a high scoring offense, that's concerning. Minimal production even when healthy. I don't know why that would change in the NFL. 

 

Because the NFL game is different than college.  The QBs in the NFL can maximize his skillset.  

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Jim Nagy the guy who is Mr Senior Bowl.  A scout.  

McConkey was voted the top receiver during Senior Bowl week in Mobile by the DBs who guarded him. Anyone pigeonholing the Georgia receiver as a slot-only receiver should check their Caucasian bias at the door. Nagy assures his 4.3 speed is legit on the field and that McConkey can play outside. Each summer, the longtime NFL scout conducts a scouting school with former NFL players. They couldn’t believe what they saw in McConkey.

“A few DBs were like, ‘Holy !’” says Nagy, an NFL scout for 18 years who won four Super Bowls with the Packers, Patriots and Seahawks. “He can run. He can run run. His big thing was last year was he dropped some of those deep balls but he can get behind people. He’s not just a slot guy.”

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• Ladd McConkey, from Georgia, insists he can play inside and outside and it’s no agent-driven talking point. The tape backs up this claim. (“I can get the job done. Whatever you need, I can be the one to do it.”)

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48 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

The 100+ receptions last year is turning you off of him?

We’re talking top 50 all time. He’s not close. 

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Terrion Arnold thr number 1 CB on many boards this draft

Terrion Arnold to

@NextRoundLive

on Ladd McConkey: "He's one of those guys, almost, I feel like, when you look at him, he kind of reminds me of like a more athletic version of a Slade Bolden. He kind of resembles Julian Edelman. So when you go down there, you're like, pfft, 'Look at this guy, man. You finna do this to me?' When you go out there and you look at him, I feel like people can underestimate him on tape or things like that. But the guy is a ballplayer. Great routes. And I mean, shot player. Normally people aren't taking shots with 5-foot-9 white guys, but I mean, he's open. He's open. The dude is a gamer."

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4 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Because the NFL game is different than college.  The QBs in the NFL can maximize his skillset.  

Yeah, but by that calculation there's a hundred McConkey's in College football. Ones at smaller schools with way better production. 

Yeah, he's fast, and? 

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1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Yeah, but by that calculation there's a hundred McConkey's in College football. Ones at smaller schools with way better production. 

Yeah, he's fast, and? 

I alresdy told you.  His route running is the best in this class.  His footwork and speed in and out of breaks is elite.  He generally has good hands.  By any account is a hard worker and smart player......

Are you listening?  

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

His route running is the best in this class

Ok great, but where was it in college? He couldn't get off the line. 

You're giving projections based on nothing, I'm giving facts. 

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Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

Ok great, but where was it in college? He couldn't get off the line. 

You're giving projections based on nothing, I'm giving facts. 

You are a fantasy football dweeb is what you are.   Yes case closed he didnt catch enough balls last season hurt.  Simple.  You got me.  

Sam Hartman must be your number 1 QB.  Nevermind, you dont even know who Sam Hartman is.  

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2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Ok great, but where was it in college? He couldn't get off the line. 

You're giving projections based on nothing, I'm giving facts. 

Why dont the teams just build their draft boards on stats from college?   What players actual skillsets are dont seem to matter to you.  Just run the numbers.  Easy.  

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

You are a fantasy football dweeb

No reason to personally attack me. So we disagree.

GROW THE FUK UP ASSSHOLE! 

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“His route running, his speed and acceleration, his ball skills are second to none in this class,” McShay told Russillo. “I think he’s got a chance to be maybe a late first-round pick. Somewhere probably more likely an early second round. But he’s one of those guys, plug play, slot receiver, right away, Puka Nakua type. I’m not saying he’s going to have that production. It was record-setting for a rookie, but I think he’s going to be a big-time contributor, plug-and-play starter right away.”

but Todd did you happen to see his stats???  How could he possibly be good?

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Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

No reason to personally attack me. So we disagree.

GROW THE FUK UP ASSSHOLE! 

Because you do your little "FACT" bs.   You arent giving me any substance.  Its oh he caught 30 balls he sucks.  Oh hes fast thats it.  Your discussion here is how I would have argued sports when I was 13.  

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3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

McShay

THIS GUY??     

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

We’re talking top 50 all time. He’s not close. 

He will be. 

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7 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

McShay

Todd McShay, the one who said Brian Brohm is a better QB prospect over Aaron Rodgers? 

You expect me to trust him

He ripped the Packers selection of Rodgers

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I’m starting to like Odunze. Getting a Mike Evans feel. I remember all those years ago I wanted Evans to go to the Giants pretty bad but TB got there first. Giants got OBJ instead.  If only.  

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17 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Todd McShay, the one who said Brian Brohm is a better QB prospect over Aaron Rodgers? 

You expect me to trust him

He ripped the Packers selection of Rodgers

Again, if you dont want to talk skillsets lets just rank thrm on college stats and be done with it.  

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19 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Maybe, probably not.  Everyone is looking for the next Cooper Kupp or Edelman.  Cards wasted a pick on one, many others have as well.  It's one thing to be a weapon on a great team with superior talent across the board against overmatched opponents.  It's another to do it in the big man's league, where the teams are all comparable and the defense is full of freakishly talented men looking to destroy you.

I don't know enough him to say if he has the cerebral capabilities to do it, but he won't go in the first round.

Of course, 90skid is trolling because Ladd is white and 90skid thinks he's cool for being an unabashed racist.

But Ladd is quite good.  He's a slot receiver though and will be an Elijah Moore type

 

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5 minutes ago, nobody said:

Of course, 90skid is trolling because Ladd is white and 90skid thinks he's cool for being an unabashed racist.

But Ladd is quite good.  He's a slot receiver though and will be an Elijah Moore type

 

Slot will be his primary but hr can go outside.  Or at least everyone believes he will be.  

Not elijah moore at all.

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3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Slot will be his primary but hr can go outside.  Or at least everyone believes he will be.  

Not elijah moore at all.

No he's definitely Elijah Moore.  Elite short area quickness and can get separation early in routes, but undersized.

Elijah should've been a better pro, but his attitude got in the way.