Al Smith Dinner, Trump wins the election

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

51 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

My personal feeling is that the abortion debate has become a much bigger deal because many more women are having babies later in life and are afraid of having babies with serious birth defects. They want to have as far as possible into pregnancy to abort, but obviously cant say that. 

Thats why they make such stupid arguments that completely go against science. Much easier to just act dumb and say things like "omg the abortion law is going to make me die if i have a miscarriage!"

You cant say "I dont want a retarded kid!"

Outside of that there are real legitimate issues why someone might need to have an abortion in week 9, 10, 11, etc....so there needs to be protections written for it. Basically to me this is a law that should not be written in a "Either/or" fashion

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1 hour ago, jonnyutah said:

My personal feeling is that the abortion debate has become a much bigger deal because many more women are having babies later in life and are afraid of having babies with serious birth defects. They want to have as far as possible into pregnancy to abort, but obviously cant say that. 

Thats why they make such stupid arguments that completely go against science. Much easier to just act dumb and say things like "omg the abortion law is going to make me die if i have a miscarriage!"

You cant say "I dont want a retarded kid!"

This is a very interesting point.   

43 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Why wasn't Kamala able to attend this?  Seems like a decent campaign type stop, which is what she is in the midst of doing. 

Was there a pressing political matter she needed to attend to?  That would be odd since I've been told countless times that she has nothing to do with anything Biden/Harris and is simply a cheerleader for Joe. 

Was she just afraid to look bad in a situation where she would have to go off the cuff a bit without help from moderators?  I mean, she could just read jokes off paper like Donald did... maybe she really is just THAT grating and unlikable when not hand selecting the atmosphere. 

If I were on Team Kamala, I would say something like "she is not about degrading people, she is about inclusion."

The reality though is what you describe in your last paragraph.

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46 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Outside of that there are real legitimate issues why someone might need to have an abortion in week 9, 10, 11, etc....so there needs to be protections written for it. Basically to me this is a law that should not be written in a "Either/or" fashion

I actually like the timeframe you picked of twenty weeks. Wasnt trying to argue against you. 

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21 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Is it though?  Is it bad for a society that wants to continue to exist, to encourage the sanctity of life?

As a libertarian, I agree with Bill Clinton:  safe, legal, and RARE.  It's the same way I feel about the trans stuff.  I'd just as well the government not get involved with these issues.  But here we are, telling women that it's cool to kill your unborn child for convenience (the vast majority of abortions).  And as a bonus, we think backfilling with illegal aliens is the way to keep our house of cards going.  

To me, it is so obvious that this is the primary threat to our country, not Trump hanging Pence on a faux gallows.  And it is just wrong, this glorification of selective abortion for convenience.  

I'd appreciate your thoughts.   

Thanks for the response.

About the sanctity of life issue and What Clinton said, I agree. But keep in mind those were Roe days. A lot of the debate back then was about federal funding of abortions (and I've never agreed with that).

And just on the Libertarian piece: FTR I've voted 3rd party before, including state and local elections. And IMO some of the old GOP west swinging Dem in recent years has been about libertarians. - But more specifically, what you're saying is a little at cross odds. Because to me libertarianism would mean all persons (both genders) having a right over one's own medical treatment. In fact, to me, Roe, written by a Republican, is really (while maybe poorly written at times) a Libertarian masterpiece. It's saying you can look at the 9th Amendment, the 10th, the 1st, the 3rd, the 4th, 5th, whatever, however, we have a right to do what we want with our lives and physical bodies. Really they got into trouble with the use of the words "penumbra" and "right of privacy" which critics just constantly drove at with people who aren't geeks about law and language.

Cheers.