squistion 2,202 Posted November 13, 2024 11 minutes ago, RLLD said: Well of course she is not credible, what she has to say tends to impugn your political alignment….so of course she is lying right? like when it was first announced…..in Florida…..and it wasn’t true…. Then it was… I just wished you used this careful scrutiny toward your political players No, she is not credible because of what she did and now she is trying to save her own skin (so to speak) and spin it that "it just wasn't me" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted November 13, 2024 3 minutes ago, squistion said: No, she is not credible because of what she did and now she is trying to save her own skin (so to speak) and spin it that "it just wasn't me" Interesting take. So your thinking that she wants to just take others down with her then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,202 Posted November 13, 2024 1 minute ago, RLLD said: Interesting take. So your thinking that she wants to just take others down with her then? No, I think she is making up stuff to save herself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted November 13, 2024 8 minutes ago, squistion said: No, I think she is making up stuff to save herself. I doubt she can save herself by outing others doing the same thing. She would have been better off cutting a deal than just speaking out lets see how this strategy unfolds and here I thought she was just making sure that if SHE is being held accountable that others were as well….huh…. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,202 Posted November 13, 2024 5 minutes ago, RLLD said: I doubt she can save herself by outing others doing the same thing. She would have been better off cutting a deal than just speaking out lets see how this strategy unfolds and here I thought she was just making sure that if SHE is being held accountable that others were as well….huh…. She is grasping at straws and probably had nothing to use to cut a deal with IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Death 302 Posted November 13, 2024 1 FEMA worker gets fired for shenanigans. MAGA: See! See! Those Democrats. Trump gets indicted on and convicted of a bunch of felonies, is found liable for rape and has surrounded himself with a bunch of people who have charged with a variety of things and have done prison time. MAGA: See! See! Those Democrats. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted November 13, 2024 14 minutes ago, squistion said: She is grasping at straws and probably had nothing to use to cut a deal with IMO. I have a different perspective. She was instructed to not support Trump people, she also knew others were instructed to do the same. They are letting her take the fall, but she is not going to let them get away with it. They going to let her get screwed? She will take them all down Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrahmaBulls 764 Posted November 13, 2024 28 minutes ago, squistion said: She is grasping at straws and probably had nothing to use to cut a deal with IMO. Quite racist and sexist of you to accuse a black woman of being dishonest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,876 Posted November 13, 2024 9 hours ago, RLLD said: Well of course she is not credible, what she has to say tends to impugn your political alignment….so of course she is lying right? like when it was first announced…..in Florida…..and it wasn’t true…. Then it was… I just wished you used this careful scrutiny toward your political players She isn’t necessarily lying, but I think she is being intentionally deceptive. From what I’ve seen she has not said “I was told to avoid homes with Trump signs,” she has said “I was told to practice avoidance.” Big difference. 8 hours ago, RLLD said: I doubt she can save herself by outing others doing the same thing. She would have been better off cutting a deal than just speaking out lets see how this strategy unfolds and here I thought she was just making sure that if SHE is being held accountable that others were as well….huh…. If she says she was told to do it, then she can say it wasn’t her fault. This isn’t rocket science. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted November 13, 2024 2 hours ago, TimHauck said: She isn’t necessarily lying, but I think she is being intentionally deceptive. From what I’ve seen she has not said “I was told to avoid homes with Trump signs,” she has said “I was told to practice avoidance.” Big difference. If she says she was told to do it, then she can say it wasn’t her fault. This isn’t rocket science. This is not the hill to die on. Defending this will not impact your political favorites, they are insulated from this. Even the upper reaches of FEMA will be insulated from this. What you have here is an example of the bureaucracy being polluted with hate for people of a specific persuasion, in this case for Trump. In the coming years, should this behavior be replicated toward Democrat voters you will be justifiably incensed.....come find me then, we can be arm in arm, if only because temporarily your morality aligns with mine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,876 Posted November 13, 2024 Geek club: This crazed leftist has committed hate crimes!! Also the Geek Club: of course I believe everything she’s saying trying to save face and point the blame somewhere else Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted November 13, 2024 40 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Geek club: This crazed leftist has committed hate crimes!! Also the Geek Club: of course I believe everything she’s saying trying to save face and point the blame somewhere else I long for the heady days when we simply believed people like oh say....Stormy Daniels......or Christine Blasey Ford....... man those were good times....... I guess we are back to not believing people now? 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,876 Posted November 13, 2024 34 minutes ago, RLLD said: I long for the heady days when we simply believed people like oh say....Stormy Daniels......or Christine Blasey Ford....... man those were good times....... I guess we are back to not believing people now? I was skeptical of Blasey Ford for sure. I guess you’re saying you believed her then? Otherwise I’m not sure why you’d be showing off your hypocrisy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted November 13, 2024 10 minutes ago, TimHauck said: I was skeptical of Blasey Ford for sure. I guess you’re saying you believed her then? Otherwise I’m not sure why you’d be showing off your hypocrisy. Of course I didn't believe those people, are you kidding? They were brought in and they wanted the notoriety. Now, whether this woman is telling the truth or not I presume we will do as was done with those two, and investigate. Then later, we can know whether or not we should believe them. For now, I will assume you also did not believe those others and their accusations as I did not believe them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,428 Posted November 13, 2024 One FEMA worker said they should avoid Trumper homes. She was apparently outed by her colleagues and fired immediately. Am I getting that story right? This probably wouldn’t even be a story if Trump, Musk and other right wing weirdos hadn’t been spreading false rumors about disaster relief. They’re going to get somebody killed eventually. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnyutah 289 Posted November 13, 2024 Comedian tells a joke about puerto ricans. Fema supervisor tells workers to skip trump voters houses. One of those was a big story for MSNBC, CNN, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,202 Posted November 13, 2024 21 minutes ago, MDC said: One FEMA worker said they should avoid Trumper homes. She was apparently outed by her colleagues and fired immediately. Am I getting that story right? This probably wouldn’t even be a story if Trump, Musk and other right wing weirdos hadn’t been spreading false rumors about disaster relief. They’re going to get somebody killed eventually. Yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,547 Posted November 13, 2024 40 minutes ago, MDC said: One FEMA worker said they should avoid Trumper homes. She was apparently outed by her colleagues and fired immediately. Am I getting that story right? This probably wouldn’t even be a story if Trump, Musk and other right wing weirdos hadn’t been spreading false rumors about disaster relief. They’re going to get somebody killed eventually. No you got the story completely wrong. Hurricane Milton was a month ago. We don't know when the complaint was filed. What we do know is nothing was done until someone alerted a conservative media site late last week, which wrote a story about it that went viral and outrage ensued. But yeah it's Trump's fault ROFLMAO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,547 Posted November 13, 2024 17 minutes ago, squistion said: Yes. You're an idiot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,428 Posted November 13, 2024 4 minutes ago, Strike said: No you got the story completely wrong. Hurricane Milton was a month ago. We don't know when the complaint was filed. What we do know is nothing was done until someone alerted a conservative media site late last week, which wrote a story about it that went viral and outrage ensued. But yeah it's Trump's fault ROFLMAO Do you have a link for that bolded part? Trump claimed that FEMA was intentionally withholding funds from Republican areas in early October: https://apnews.com/article/trump-fema-hurricane-helene-conspiracy-theories-criswell-07d5b1f6968cb2af11b63357186a1a15 Musk was claiming FEMA blocked donations and was seizing goods for victims of Helene: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/08/elon-musk-hurricane-disinformation-trump-00182769 Not a surprise that FEMA workers face threats and harassment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,251 Posted November 13, 2024 13 hours ago, squistion said: No, she is not credible because of what she did and now she is trying to save her own skin (so to speak) and spin it that "it just wasn't me" Ok so if your bosses tell you to do something at a low level you are expected to do it. If not they will replace you will another low paid employee. She is saying that she did it but that the practice was widespread. There is an easy way to get to the bottom of this. She should file a whisleblower complaint. That way if FEMA is fined she gets paid out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,547 Posted November 13, 2024 3 minutes ago, MDC said: Do you have a link for that bolded part? Trump claimed that FEMA was intentionally withholding funds from Republican areas in early October: https://apnews.com/article/trump-fema-hurricane-helene-conspiracy-theories-criswell-07d5b1f6968cb2af11b63357186a1a15 Musk was claiming FEMA blocked donations and was seizing goods for victims of Helene: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/08/elon-musk-hurricane-disinformation-trump-00182769 Not a surprise that FEMA workers face threats and harassment. What part of what I said are you disputing? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,428 Posted November 13, 2024 1 minute ago, Strike said: What part of what I said are you disputing? You implied that FEMA knew about this event but only fired the worker after it was exposed by conservative media. I’m not disputing your claim, I’m asking you to back it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,547 Posted November 13, 2024 4 minutes ago, MDC said: You implied that FEMA knew about this event but only fired the worker after it was exposed by conservative media. I’m not disputing your claim, I’m asking you to back it up. Read the story I posted on page one. FEMA told The Daily Wire they were aware of the situation. So they were aware of it before the article was posted and only fired the employee a day or two AFTER the article was published and had become a major story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,428 Posted November 13, 2024 5 minutes ago, Strike said: Read the story I posted on page one. FEMA told The Daily Wire they were aware of the situation. So they were aware of it before the article was posted and only fired the employee a day or two AFTER the article was published and had become a major story. I read your article. It’s unclear to me whether FEMA was investigating the situation before the article was published or if the agency was made aware of the situation by the Daily Wire, launched an investigation, then canned the employee. The idea that FEMA would endorse this or deliberately withhold aid from red areas is a major stretch to say the least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,202 Posted November 13, 2024 16 minutes ago, kilroy69 said: Ok so if your bosses tell you to do something at a low level you are expected to do it. If not they will replace you will another low paid employee. She is saying that she did it but that the practice was widespread. There is an easy way to get to the bottom of this. She should file a whisleblower complaint. That way if FEMA is fined she gets paid out. I think she is saying that to try and cover her posterior and so far we've seen nothing to back that claim of hers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,547 Posted November 13, 2024 7 minutes ago, MDC said: The idea that FEMA would endorse this or deliberately withhold aid from red areas is a major stretch to say the least. Cool. And I've never said either of the things in the sentence I quoted. I'm not sure what your confusion regarding FEMA investigating is. They didn't thank the Daily Wire for alerting them. When the Daily Wire inquired they told them they were aware of the incident. If YOU have proof otherwise feel free to post it. Look like you're just looking for things to nitpick. Much like Hackboy does daily. Word of advice. Don't be Hackboy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,428 Posted November 13, 2024 6 minutes ago, Strike said: Cool. And I've never said either of the things in the sentence I quoted. You strongly implied it. Otherwise, what’s the story here? FEMA employee does dumb thing, gets fired. Bfd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted November 13, 2024 12 minutes ago, Strike said: Cool. And I've never said either of the things in the sentence I quoted. I'm not sure what your confusion regarding FEMA investigating is. They didn't thank the Daily Wire for alerting them. When the Daily Wire inquired they told them they were aware of the incident. If YOU have proof otherwise feel free to post it. Look like you're just looking for things to nitpick. Much like Hackboy does daily. Word of advice. Don't be Hackboy. I think folks who want this to just go away are back to the " so what it happened once" defense, until of course someone does a one off that feeds some other thing they want to champion.....then.....oh boy.....THEN......that one off is a problem.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,547 Posted November 13, 2024 4 minutes ago, MDC said: You strongly implied it. Otherwise, what’s the story here? FEMA employee does dumb thing, gets fired. Bfd No I didn't. Now you sound like Squissy and Jerry b#tchslapped him on page 2 for a similar implication. My title is very clear and in no way suggests FEMA as an organization was behind this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,428 Posted November 13, 2024 4 minutes ago, Strike said: No I didn't. Now you sound like Squissy and Jerry b#tchslapped him on page 2 for a similar implication. My title is very clear and in no way suggests FEMA as an organization was behind this. You said I got the story complete wrong. It’s not about an employee who got outed and shiit canned? What’s the story here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,428 Posted November 13, 2024 6 minutes ago, RLLD said: I think folks who want this to just go away are back to the " so what it happened once" defense, until of course someone does a one off that feeds some other thing they want to champion.....then.....oh boy.....THEN......that one off is a problem.... Strike thinks this was a one off. See above. He’s not implying that FEMA covered this up or approved of this behavior. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted November 13, 2024 3 minutes ago, MDC said: Strike thinks this was a one off. See above. He’s not implying that FEMA covered this up or approved of this behavior. Thats fine, I disagree, and I want an investigation to ensure that is correct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,547 Posted November 13, 2024 1 minute ago, RLLD said: Thats fine, I disagree, and I want an investigation to ensure that is correct. He's misrepresenting my position but he's just looking dumb the last page or so of this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,428 Posted November 13, 2024 Just now, Strike said: He's misrepresenting my position but he's just looking dumb the last page or so of this thread. I can’t misrepresent a position you never state. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted November 13, 2024 1 minute ago, Strike said: He's misrepresenting my position but he's just looking dumb the last page or so of this thread. I have worked with FEMA, its a rather poorly run org, but not the worst. If I were to bet, they are going to spin this action into some kind of safety protocol to get out of accountability Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,547 Posted November 13, 2024 2 minutes ago, MDC said: I can’t misrepresent a position you never state. My position is simple. This should NEVER happen and we should ensure it doesn't in the future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,428 Posted November 13, 2024 Just now, Strike said: My position is simple. This should NEVER happen and we should ensure it doesn't in the future. Not that anyone is disagreeing with that bold take. Any ideas on how an agency with 20k+ employees will ensure nobody does anything stupid? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbycho 754 Posted November 13, 2024 24 minutes ago, RLLD said: I think folks who want this to just go away are back to the " so what it happened once" defense, until of course someone does a one off that feeds some other thing they want to champion.....then.....oh boy.....THEN......that one off is a problem.... It may be a one off for FEMA (I'm not sure), but, this is hardly a one off when talking about the totality of the liberal hate-filled actions towards Trump and his voter base. Hell, two assassination attempts this year and that gets swept under the rug. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,202 Posted November 13, 2024 3 minutes ago, MDC said: Not that anyone is disagreeing with that bold take. Any ideas on how an agency with 20k+ employees will ensure nobody does anything stupid? It is not the first time this has happened with an employee in a Federal agency and it won't be the last (we will probably see at least one go rogue in the next four years under the Trump administration). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites