Israel Gaza thread

[jerryskids 6,890]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

That’s not supporting Hamas you disingenuous tard.

You said that "you were told" (snarky) that Hamas was doing a certain bad thing, but this info seems to imply that they don't always do a certain bad thing.  Educate me on how this isn't shedding Hamas in a positive light?

 

[TimHauck 2,989]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Funny, you say I rambled, then followed it up with yet another opus which addresses nothing I said.  You hate Israel, you believe everything that supports Hamas or opposes Israel is undeniably true, and you say with disdain anything Israel says to defend their actions.  To say otherwise shows an utter and complete lack of self-awareness.

I defer to believing Israel because they are a western culture which has moved out of the dark ages, as opposed to Hamas and Palestinians in general which are comprised of barbaric, warring tribes stuck in the Dark Ages.  

How many people did Hamas Harry tell you the IDF shot in cold blood today?

Lol.  I knew you’d try to say I believed Hamas over Israel, so I specifically pointed out that’s not what I was saying, and you claimed it anyway.  You are not a serious poster.

[TimHauck 2,989]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You said that "you were told" (snarky) that Hamas was doing a certain bad thing, but this info seems to imply that they don't always do a certain bad thing.  Educate me on how this isn't shedding Hamas in a positive light?

 

Because I was calling out the fact that they were torturing hostages Jerry.

Add “thinking calling out Hamas torturing hostages is supporting them” to your list of ridiculous statements along with “thinking it’s possible that it could be customary in El Salvador to serve cocktails to imprisoned terrorists”

[TimHauck 2,989]

Israeli soldiers beat man in the West Bank and force him to post a video to facebook saying he loves Israel.

Strike and Jerry won’t believe it because it was in Al-Jazeera

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/12/assaults-by-israeli-soldiers-become-a-daily-reality-in-west-banks-sebastia?traffic_source=rss

[jerryskids 6,890]

50 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Because I was calling out the fact that they were torturing hostages Jerry.

Add “thinking calling out Hamas torturing hostages is supporting them” to your list of ridiculous statements along with “thinking it’s possible that it could be customary in El Salvador to serve cocktails to imprisoned terrorists”

No, you weren't.  You were calling out the point of what I copied from your words.  

Also, I never said that about El Sal, liar.  I said that maybe it was customary to serve margaritas in their culture.

11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Israeli soldiers beat man in the West Bank and force him to post a video to facebook saying he loves Israel.

Strike and Jerry won’t believe it because it was in Al-Jazeera

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/12/assaults-by-israeli-soldiers-become-a-daily-reality-in-west-banks-sebastia?traffic_source=rss

Never change, Tim.  You have no idea.   

[jerryskids 6,890]

Wait, West Bank?  What does that have to do with war crimes by IDF in Gaza, which was my initial point months ago, which Tim lost on and spent the next several months dedicating his life to finding videos of GHF shooting sand dunes and Hamas-aged men running with gunfire in the background?

Oh that's right, nothing.  

[TimHauck 2,989]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

 

Also, I never said that about El Sal, liar.  I said that maybe it was customary to serve margaritas in their culture.

So why did you bring it up in a thread about an imprisoned terrorist?

[TimHauck 2,989]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Wait, West Bank?  What does that have to do with war crimes by IDF in Gaza, which was my initial point months ago, which Tim lost on and spent the next several months dedicating his life to finding videos of GHF shooting sand dunes and Hamas-aged men running with gunfire in the background?

Oh that's right, nothing.  

Not everything in this thread is about that one specific conversation, Jerry.

And no, I didn’t lose.  Israel blew up an ambulance then lied about it.  Fact.  And they continue to target and kill journalists.

[jerryskids 6,890]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

So why did you bring it up in a thread about an imprisoned terrorist?

Pro tip: not to say it's customary to give margaritas to imprisoned terrorists.

You love nothing more than going back and reconstructing these types of discussions. Im confident you have, but havent posted it here because you know I'm right.

Customary to give margaritas to imprisoned terrorists,  what a don't you are.

[TimHauck 2,989]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Pro tip: not to say it's customary to give margaritas to imprisoned terrorists.

You love nothing more than going back and reconstructing these types of discussions. Im confident you have, but havent posted it here because you know I'm right.

Customary to give margaritas to imprisoned terrorists,  what a don't you are.

Thanks for confirming it was stupid of you to bring that up in that thread.

[jerryskids 6,890]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Not everything in this thread is about that one specific conversation, Jerry.

And no, I didn’t lose.  Israel blew up an ambulance then lied about it.  Fact.  And they continue to target and kill journalists.

So you admit you had nothing when I said you had nothing?

[TimHauck 2,989]

Good article from conservative Emily Jashinsky about how Israel is losing support even from people on the right.  Jerry and Strike think this isn’t happening.  Or maybe we’ve moved onto it’s not widespread.

https://unherd.com/2025/08/israel-is-losing-the-us-front/?lang=us
 

The year is 2014, and you’re attending one of the conservative movement’s many annual conferences. Rubber chicken has been served at a dinner honoring some think tank’s aging Cold Warrior. As coffee is poured, conversation at your table turns to President Barack Obama’s dust-up with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu amid the latest Gaza flashpoint. Everyone agrees Obama is undermining a key ally, but you, a mainstream Hannity-watching conservative, disagree. “What has been happening to innocent people and children in Gaza is horrific,” you contend. “And the United States should not be involved in fighting nuclear-armed Israel’s war with Iran.”

 

Yeah, no. That would go over about as well as calling for 35% tariffs on Canada. The year is 2014, remember? There’s a reason Pat Buchanan didn’t get an invite to the event, and the staunchly isolationist libertarian Ron Paul was mocked as a crank during the keynote. You’d probably already be in the parking lot — or a shouting match — by the time your tablemates tucked into their slices of mediocre cheesecake. 

The quips you made at the table are real quotes, however. They come directly fromRep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s X account this summer, as the Gaza war approaches its two-year mark and “food supplies in Gaza have dwindled,” per a headline in The Wall Street Journal. Greene, one of President Trump’s staunchest supporters in Congress, shattered another GOP taboo last week by describing Israel’s treatment of Palestinians in Gaza as a “genocide.”

A similar trend is afoot on the Left, meaning that Israel now faces a bipartisan pincer movement of disapproval and alienation.

Greene is far from alone on the Right. Steve Bannon, the former Trump political consigliere and one of the most popular Right-wing podcast hosts in America, recently argued, “Netanyahu’s government is out of control.” On Bannon’s show, former Blackwater CEO Erik Prince accused the Israeli military of intentionally targeting a Catholic church in Gaza and declared: “The time of subsidizing the IDF as the American taxpayer must end.”

After that church was hit, Daily Wire host Michael Knowles addressed the Israelis in lament: “You’re losing me. You’re losing me, when you strike churches, the only church in Gaza, even if accidentally, but especially if not accidentally, you’re losing me.” At Turning Point USA’s summer student conference, the group hosted a debate on the subject between comedian Dave Smith and columnist Josh Hammer that exposed the movement’s divide. Smith, who’s called Ron Paul “the greatest living American hero,” was greeted with cheers from many attendees for criticisms of the Jewish state that would have fallen on deaf ears — if not hostile ears — before Oct. 7. 

 

Florida’s Rep. Randy Fine — perhaps Israel’s most vociferous defender in the House of Representatives, who even earned a rebuke from the American Jewish Committee over his enthusiasm for starving Gaza — has a GOP primary challenger in Aaron Baker. “I do NOT support starving children,” Baker postedrecently, adding: “I do NOT support punishing [Gazan] citizens for having the worst government in existence.” 

Tucker Carlson, another of the country’s most popular broadcasters, released an episode of his podcast on Wednesday with University of Chicago scholar John Mearsheimer, titled “The Palestinian Genocide and How the West Has Been Deceived Into Supporting It.” Carlson and his guests have been consistently critical of Netanyahu’s government for months. That isn’t even to address the outright anti-Semitism of other fringe voices with significant social-media followings. 

Of course, the horror in Gaza now is not an apples-to-apples comparison with the 2014 clash between Israel and Hamas. But that’s kind of the point. The war since Oct. 7 has claimed the lives of at least 18,500 children, according to a new Washington Post analysis of the Gaza Health Ministry figures. According to the Post, that means “Palestinian children have been killed at a rate of more than one child per hour during the war.” The deaths included 953 babies who never made it to their first birthday; another 943 never made it to their second; 972 never made it to their third.

The sheer scale of the misery, as Israel now controls a wide swath of Gaza and starvation mounts, challenges modern definitions of proportionality — even as Americans are horrified by the evil tactics of Hamas and continue to sympathize deeply with hostage families. Recent attacks on Christian communities in Gaza and the West Bank are further incensing many in the United States.

Speaking of 2014, the Obama administration veterans at Pod Save America are issuing their own mea culpas from the Left. “Barack Obama signed a 10-year [Memorandum of Understanding] for $3.3 billion a year. So we are part of the problem here. Let’s correct it,” said co-host Tommy Vietor this week. Vietor, who served under Obama as a spokesman for the National Security Council, added, “When the war ends, we are not going back to the pre-October 7 status quo.”

Challenged on X by a critic who accused him of exacting a grudge against Netanyahu from the Obama years, Vietor replied, “Or … stay with me here … the entire world is horrified by what we’re witnessing in Gaza, which is why this conversation is happening now and not back in 2015.”

There’s little insight about the Right to be gleaned from Pod Save America. But in this case, Vietor is correct that revulsion at the humanitarian crisis in Gaza is no longer limited to progressives. This nationwide movement is so sweeping that it’s dragging people on the Right away from Israel, even as some conservatives triple down on support for the war. 

What’s eroded on the Right, above all, is the stigma that used to surround criticism of Israel. Gallup has been tracking public opinion on the Gaza war since its earliest weeks. On Tuesday, the firm released stark new findings. “American approval of Israel’s military action in Gaza has fallen 10 percentage points since the prior measurement in September, and it is now at 32%, the lowest reading since Gallup first asked the question in November 2023,” read the report. “Disapproval of the military action has now reached 60%.”

To be sure, Gallup’s survey found a stunning gulf between Democrats and Independents on one side and Republicans on the other. 71% of Republicans still approve of Israel’s military action in Gaza, but that number is only 25% among Independents and 8% among Democrats. For what it’s worth, that same poll found Trump’s approval rating has declined 17 points among Independents since the start of his second term, and only 27% approve of his handling of the conflict.

While that number means less to Republicans in red states and primary elections, in swing districts, battleground states, and nationwide races, it’s enormously significant. Independents split evenly between Trump and Kamala Harris last November, but that was itself a gain for Trump, because he erased Democrats’ nine-point advantage from the 2020 election. Back in 2022, before the war, Independents fell at 71% when it came to favorability for Israel, squarely between Republicans at 81% and Democrats at 63%.

It’s true that even in 2024, Israel rankedlow among voters’ priorities when choosing between candidates, but it’s also true that Republicans counted for years on reflexive support for the Israeli government from moderates and the party faithful. Now the incentive structure has been transformed. 

And for the GOP, that fissure looks poised to get much worse. A Pew survey this spring found that “Republicans under 50 are now about as likely to have a negative view of Israel as a positive one (50% versus 48%). In 2022, they were much more likely to see Israel positively than negatively (63% and 35%, respectively).” That’s a shocking change, especially as younger generations begin to comprise more of the electorate. 

Bannon himself put it best when he toldPolitico this week, “It seems that for the under-30-year-old MAGA base, Israel has almost no support.” Bannon further believes it’s not just Young MAGA but that “Netanyahu’s attempt to save himself politically by dragging America in deeper to another Middle East war has turned off a large swath of older MAGA diehards.” It’s precisely the Israeli hard-liners’ awareness of this generational problem that impels them to act in a maximalist fashion in Gaza and beyond. Better to strike big now, the thinking goes, before the generational turnover empowers Israel-skeptics on both sides. 

The problem for Jerusalem is that the harder they go, the more they intensify the sense of alienation in America, the one country whose public sentiments are downright existential for the Jewish state.

 

[TimHauck 2,989]

The IDF’s “evidence” that Anas Al-Sharif was Hamas is an Excel document, lol (check the “military details” column for the rows above and below him)