Ron_Artest 2,050 Posted 11 hours ago Earlier that morning, Villegas Gonzalez, 38, had been fatally shot by a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent shortly after dropping his children off at a school and daycare in the suburb of Franklin Park. The agents were attempting to arrest him as part of a massive immigration sweep launched by U.S. President Donald Trump. Villegas Gonzalez was the Chicago crackdown's first casualty. Chicago ICE crackdown's first casualty, a father of two, had built a quiet life in the US | Reuters https://share.google/TDnXGJsjbf7oy71hI First of what will be many unfortunately. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,675 Posted 11 hours ago Tim level delusion here from the OP. “Villegas Gonzalez was “a criminal illegal alien” with “a history of reckless driving” who steered his car at agents” 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,237 Posted 10 hours ago 27 minutes ago, Fireballer said: Tim level delusion here from the OP. “Villegas Gonzalez was “a criminal illegal alien” with “a history of reckless driving” who steered his car at agents” Well I guess that settles it! DHS would never lie (they just got caught lying yesterday) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,675 Posted 10 hours ago 8 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Well I guess that settles it! DHS would never lie (they just got caught lying yesterday) Gotta wait for facts, right? Accusing murder in the thread title based on the article is delusional. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,237 Posted 10 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Fireballer said: Gotta wait for facts, right? Accusing murder in the thread title based on the article is delusional. So is always taking DHS at their word. But I agree, would like to wait for the facts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 2,050 Posted 10 hours ago 41 minutes ago, Fireballer said: Tim level delusion here from the OP. “Villegas Gonzalez was “a criminal illegal alien” with “a history of reckless driving” who steered his car at agents” So we're good with just murdering illegals now? Is that we're you are? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,311 Posted 10 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: So we're good with just murdering illegals now? Is that we're you are? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 2,117 Posted 10 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: So we're good with just murdering illegals now? Is that we're you are? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,675 Posted 9 hours ago 23 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: So we're good with just murdering illegals now? Is that we're you are? This ignorance has to be trolling, right? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,237 Posted 9 hours ago I posted about this incident in one of the other threads actually, but the thread may have gotten deleted. Here was some video including bodycam from after the incident and some surveillance footage of the incident towards the end of this video Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 2,050 Posted 9 hours ago Yup, here is the news story. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/videos-of-fatal-ice-incident-in-franklin-park-raises-new-questions-about-what-happened/3828524/ During the incident, ICE agents were attempting to pull over and arrest an undocumented immigrant when they say the man drove away, hitting and dragging an ICE agent - who then fired a fatal gunshot. Well the man was not dragged. That story makes zero sense anyway. As the agent was being dragged from the car he was able to fire his weapon and hit the driver? That sh1t only happens in movies. Just like every other incident, the lied. The man ICE was trying to grab was 38-year old Villegas-Gonzalez, an undocumented immigrant with no criminal history and a few old traffic violations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 2,050 Posted 9 hours ago 29 minutes ago, Fireballer said: This ignorance has to be trolling, right? My ignorance? Look you can choose to remain ignorant of what is actually happening out there, or you can root for your red team gestapo and believe everything they tell you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,675 Posted 9 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: My ignorance? Look you can choose to remain ignorant of what is actually happening out there, or you can root for your red team gestapo and believe everything they tell you. Ok please walk me through the specific events to support a murder charge. Include the specific acts of the officer to support the claim and how he breached Federal defensive tactics policies. Let’s start there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,311 Posted 9 hours ago 1 minute ago, Fireballer said: Ok please walk me through the specific events to support a murder charge. Include the specific acts of the officer to support the claim and how he breached Federal defensive tactics policies. Let’s start there. And just to be clear, using your vehicle to try and run over someone is a valid reason to shoot and kill someone. Police do it all of the time here in the United States when criminals try to use it as a weapon. Being an illegal - and an illegal criminal to boot - doesn't absolve you of blame when you do the same thing with your vehicle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 2,117 Posted 9 hours ago OP is so concerned he can’t even use the illegals first name I wonder how many Chicago “fathers” get killed every weekend Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 2,342 Posted 9 hours ago 2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said: Earlier that morning, Villegas Gonzalez, 38, had been fatally shot by a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent shortly after dropping his children off at a school Now post what really happened Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 2,050 Posted 9 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Fireballer said: Ok please walk me through the specific events to support a murder charge. Include the specific acts of the officer to support the claim and how he breached Federal defensive tactics policies. Let’s start there. I'm not arguing before a grand jury here. Will he be charged with murder? Highly doubt it. What do we know about the incident? He shot and killed a man. Was it self defense? Doesn't look like it. We'll wait to see where this goes but it looks like murder to me. You obviously disagree and still believe that the agent was dragged from the car and shot in self defense, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 2,117 Posted 9 hours ago I believe this guy engaged in what’s known as FAROing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 2,050 Posted 9 hours ago 1 minute ago, HellToupee said: OP is so concerned he can’t even use the illegals first name I wonder how many Chicago “fathers” get killed every weekend Oh it's no big deal because fathers get murdered all the time. You really should evaluate your life. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 2,117 Posted 9 hours ago 1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said: Oh it's no big deal because fathers get murdered all the time. You really should evaluate your life. It is a big deal because this scumbag put the federal agent in a position to use deadly force. The guy has to live with that. What the hell is wrong with you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnyutah 515 Posted 9 hours ago 1 hour ago, TimHauck said: But I agree, would like to wait for the facts. Translation: the next story released that favors the leftist position will not require waiting for the facts and will be the end of the debate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnyutah 515 Posted 8 hours ago Why do leftists care so much about school dropoff when it comes to illegals? It is like it is some immunity card. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 752 Posted 8 hours ago 2 minutes ago, jonnyutah said: Translation: the next story released that favors the leftist position will not require waiting for the facts and will be the end of the debate. TIMHACKFONT Thanks for confirming Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 2,050 Posted 8 hours ago Lots of good witness accounts and videos. You can clearly see the guy did not try to ram the agent. He tried to drive away, the agent didn't want him to so he shot him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,311 Posted 8 hours ago 14 minutes ago, HellToupee said: I believe this guy engaged in what’s known as FAROing What, exactly, is that? Explain it to me as if I was a 10 year old child. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,311 Posted 8 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Lots of good witness accounts and videos. You can clearly see the guy did not try to ram the agent. He tried to drive away, the agent didn't want him to so he shot him. Then you should be able to post links, no? I mean, the evidence is so overwhelming according to you then why are you having such a hard time posting, y'know, actual evidence? And by "evidence" I mean video evidence, not some sob-story article from your biased sources. TIA. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,237 Posted 8 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said: TIMHACKFONT Thanks for confirming You think about me a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,237 Posted 8 hours ago 1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: Then you should be able to post links, no? I mean, the evidence is so overwhelming according to you then why are you having such a hard time posting, y'know, actual evidence? I posted video. Seems a stretch for the officer to call that “trying to run him over,” but may be just enough for a jury to justify shooting him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 752 Posted 8 hours ago 5 minutes ago, TimHauck said: You think about me a lot. You vomit post here a lot 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,675 Posted 8 hours ago 23 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: I'm not arguing before a grand jury here. Will he be charged with murder? Highly doubt it. What do we know about the incident? He shot and killed a man. Was it self defense? Doesn't look like it. We'll wait to see where this goes but it looks like murder to me. You obviously disagree and still believe that the agent was dragged from the car and shot in self defense, right? Ok, now we’re getting somewhere. So it’s obvious that you’re arguing based on your personal definitions of murder and self defense. And yet, the only judgment of this agent that matters is based on the legal mumbo jumbo definitions that you’re avoiding. We’ve moved beyond ignorance and moved to idiotic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 2,117 Posted 8 hours ago 9 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: What, exactly, is that? Explain it to me as if I was a 10 year old child. Perhaps this smart thinker can explain it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 2,050 Posted 8 hours ago 13 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: Then you should be able to post links, no? I mean, the evidence is so overwhelming according to you then why are you having such a hard time posting, y'know, actual evidence? And by "evidence" I mean video evidence, not some sob-story article from your biased sources. TIA. The video is posted in this thread If you're not going to read the posts you might want to stay out of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrahmaBulls 898 Posted 8 hours ago Imagine your life has reached the point you go looking for illegals committing crime and then twisting things around for an attempted gotcha on fantasy football forum where you're using your 12th alias account. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnyutah 515 Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said: Yup, here is the news story. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/videos-of-fatal-ice-incident-in-franklin-park-raises-new-questions-about-what-happened/3828524/ During the incident, ICE agents were attempting to pull over and arrest an undocumented immigrant when they say the man drove away, hitting and dragging an ICE agent - who then fired a fatal gunshot. Well the man was not dragged. That story makes zero sense anyway. As the agent was being dragged from the car he was able to fire his weapon and hit the driver? That sh1t only happens in movies. Just like every other incident, the lied. The man ICE was trying to grab was 38-year old Villegas-Gonzalez, an undocumented immigrant with no criminal history and a few old traffic violations. Where does the ice officer on the driver side of the car disappear to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 2,050 Posted 7 hours ago 6 minutes ago, jonnyutah said: Where does the ice officer on the driver side of the car disappear to? There is a canopy or something obstructing the view, so we can only assume that the officer ran alongside the car shooting at the deceased. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 2,050 Posted 7 hours ago 49 minutes ago, Fireballer said: Ok, now we’re getting somewhere. So it’s obvious that you’re arguing based on your personal definitions of murder and self defense. And yet, the only judgment of this agent that matters is based on the legal mumbo jumbo definitions that you’re avoiding. We’ve moved beyond ignorance and moved to idiotic. Seems as though you objected to the word "murder", and then an admin subsequently removed the word from the thread title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 2,117 Posted 7 hours ago 42 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said: Imagine your life has reached the point you go looking for illegals committing crime and then twisting things around for an attempted gotcha on fantasy football forum where you're using your 12th alias account. It’s a sickness Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 2,117 Posted 7 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Seems as though you objected to the word "murder" Any decent person did Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,237 Posted 7 hours ago 12 minutes ago, jonnyutah said: Where does the ice officer on the driver side of the car disappear to? Out of the camera angle, you dumb? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites