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Earlier that morning, Villegas Gonzalez, 38, had been fatally shot by a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent shortly after dropping his children off at a school and daycare in the suburb of Franklin Park. The agents were attempting to arrest him as part of a massive immigration sweep launched by U.S. President Donald Trump. Villegas Gonzalez was the Chicago crackdown's first casualty.

Chicago ICE crackdown's first casualty, a father of two, had built a quiet life in the US | Reuters https://share.google/TDnXGJsjbf7oy71hI

First of what will be many unfortunately.

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Tim level delusion here from the OP.

“Villegas Gonzalez was “a criminal illegal alien” with “a history of reckless driving” who steered his car at agents”

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27 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Tim level delusion here from the OP.

“Villegas Gonzalez was “a criminal illegal alien” with “a history of reckless driving” who steered his car at agents”

Well I guess that settles it!  DHS would never lie 

 

 

(they just got caught lying yesterday)

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8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well I guess that settles it!  DHS would never lie 

 

 

(they just got caught lying yesterday)

Gotta wait for facts, right?  Accusing murder in the thread title based on the article is delusional.

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3 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Gotta wait for facts, right?  Accusing murder in the thread title based on the article is delusional.

So is always taking DHS at their word.

But I agree, would like to wait for the facts.

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41 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Tim level delusion here from the OP.

“Villegas Gonzalez was “a criminal illegal alien” with “a history of reckless driving” who steered his car at agents”

So we're good with just murdering illegals now?  Is that we're you are?

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5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

So we're good with just murdering illegals now?  Is that we're you are?

 

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23 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

So we're good with just murdering illegals now?  Is that we're you are?

This ignorance has to be trolling, right?

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I posted about this incident in one of the other threads actually, but the thread may have gotten deleted.

Here was some video including bodycam from after the incident and some surveillance footage of the incident towards the end of this video

 

 

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Yup, here is the news story.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/videos-of-fatal-ice-incident-in-franklin-park-raises-new-questions-about-what-happened/3828524/

During the incident, ICE agents were attempting to pull over and arrest an undocumented immigrant when they say the man drove away, hitting and dragging an ICE agent - who then fired a fatal gunshot.

Well the man was not dragged.  That story makes zero sense anyway.  As the agent was being dragged from the car he was able to fire his weapon and hit the driver?  That sh1t only happens in movies.

Just like every other incident, the lied.

The man ICE was trying to grab was 38-year old Villegas-Gonzalez, an undocumented immigrant with no criminal history and a few old traffic violations.

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29 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

This ignorance has to be trolling, right?

My ignorance?  Look you can choose to remain ignorant of what is actually happening out there, or you can root for your red team gestapo and believe everything they tell you.

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9 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

My ignorance?  Look you can choose to remain ignorant of what is actually happening out there, or you can root for your red team gestapo and believe everything they tell you.

Ok please walk me through the specific events to support a murder charge.  Include the specific acts of the officer to support the claim and how he breached Federal defensive tactics policies.  Let’s start there.

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1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

Ok please walk me through the specific events to support a murder charge.  Include the specific acts of the officer to support the claim and how he breached Federal defensive tactics policies.  Let’s start there.

And just to be clear, using your vehicle to try and run over someone is a valid reason to shoot and kill someone.  Police do it all of the time here in the United States when criminals try to use it as a weapon.  Being an illegal - and an illegal criminal to boot - doesn't absolve you of blame when you do the same thing with your vehicle.

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OP is so concerned he can’t even use the illegals first name

 

I wonder how many Chicago “fathers” get killed every weekend 

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2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Earlier that morning, Villegas Gonzalez, 38, had been fatally shot by a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent shortly after dropping his children off at a school 

Now post what really happened 

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5 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Ok please walk me through the specific events to support a murder charge.  Include the specific acts of the officer to support the claim and how he breached Federal defensive tactics policies.  Let’s start there.

I'm not arguing before a grand jury here.  Will he be charged with murder?  Highly doubt it.

What do we know about the incident?  He shot and killed a man.  Was it self defense?  Doesn't look like it.  We'll wait to see where this goes but it looks like murder to me. 

You obviously disagree and still believe that the agent was dragged from the car and shot in self defense, right?

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1 minute ago, HellToupee said:

OP is so concerned he can’t even use the illegals first name

 

I wonder how many Chicago “fathers” get killed every weekend 

Oh it's no big deal because fathers get murdered all the time.  You really should evaluate your life.

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1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Oh it's no big deal because fathers get murdered all the time.  You really should evaluate your life.

It is a big deal because this scumbag put the federal agent in a position to use deadly force. The guy has to live with that. What the hell is wrong with you 

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

But I agree, would like to wait for the facts.

Translation: the next story released that favors the leftist position will not require waiting for the facts and will be the end of the debate. 

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Why do leftists care so much about school dropoff when it comes to illegals? 

It is like it is some immunity card. 

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2 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Translation: the next story released that favors the leftist position will not require waiting for the facts and will be the end of the debate. 

TIMHACKFONT

Thanks for confirming

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Lots of good witness accounts and videos.  You can clearly see the guy did not try to ram the agent.  He tried to drive away, the agent didn't want him to so he shot him.

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14 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

I believe this guy engaged in what’s known as FAROing

What, exactly, is that?  Explain it to me as if I was a 10 year old child.  :)

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4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Lots of good witness accounts and videos.  You can clearly see the guy did not try to ram the agent.  He tried to drive away, the agent didn't want him to so he shot him.

Then you should be able to post links, no?  I mean, the evidence is so overwhelming according to you then why are you having such a hard time posting,  y'know, actual evidence?

And by "evidence" I mean video evidence, not some sob-story article from your biased sources.  TIA.

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4 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

TIMHACKFONT

Thanks for confirming

You think about me a lot.

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1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Then you should be able to post links, no?  I mean, the evidence is so overwhelming according to you then why are you having such a hard time posting,  y'know, actual evidence?

I posted video.  Seems a stretch for the officer to call that “trying to run him over,” but may be just enough for a jury to justify shooting him.

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You think about me a lot.

You vomit post here a lot

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23 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm not arguing before a grand jury here.  Will he be charged with murder?  Highly doubt it.

What do we know about the incident?  He shot and killed a man.  Was it self defense?  Doesn't look like it.  We'll wait to see where this goes but it looks like murder to me. 

You obviously disagree and still believe that the agent was dragged from the car and shot in self defense, right?

Ok, now we’re getting somewhere.  So it’s obvious that you’re arguing based on your personal definitions of murder and self defense.  And yet, the only judgment of this agent that matters is based on the legal mumbo jumbo definitions that you’re avoiding.  We’ve moved beyond ignorance and moved to idiotic.  

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9 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

What, exactly, is that?  Explain it to me as if I was a 10 year old child.  :)

Perhaps this smart thinker can explain it 😄

 

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13 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Then you should be able to post links, no?  I mean, the evidence is so overwhelming according to you then why are you having such a hard time posting,  y'know, actual evidence?

And by "evidence" I mean video evidence, not some sob-story article from your biased sources.  TIA.

The video is posted in this thread :lol:

If you're not going to read the posts you might want to stay out of it.

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Imagine your life has reached the point you go looking for illegals committing crime and then twisting things around for an attempted gotcha on fantasy football forum where you're using your 12th alias account.

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1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yup, here is the news story.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/videos-of-fatal-ice-incident-in-franklin-park-raises-new-questions-about-what-happened/3828524/

During the incident, ICE agents were attempting to pull over and arrest an undocumented immigrant when they say the man drove away, hitting and dragging an ICE agent - who then fired a fatal gunshot.

Well the man was not dragged.  That story makes zero sense anyway.  As the agent was being dragged from the car he was able to fire his weapon and hit the driver?  That sh1t only happens in movies.

Just like every other incident, the lied.

The man ICE was trying to grab was 38-year old Villegas-Gonzalez, an undocumented immigrant with no criminal history and a few old traffic violations.

Where does the ice officer on the driver side of the car disappear to? 

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6 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Where does the ice officer on the driver side of the car disappear to? 

There is a canopy or something obstructing the view, so we can only assume that the officer ran alongside the car shooting at the deceased.

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49 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Ok, now we’re getting somewhere.  So it’s obvious that you’re arguing based on your personal definitions of murder and self defense.  And yet, the only judgment of this agent that matters is based on the legal mumbo jumbo definitions that you’re avoiding.  We’ve moved beyond ignorance and moved to idiotic.  

Seems as though you objected to the word "murder", and then an admin subsequently removed the word from the thread title.

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42 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Imagine your life has reached the point you go looking for illegals committing crime and then twisting things around for an attempted gotcha on fantasy football forum where you're using your 12th alias account.

It’s a sickness 

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Seems as though you objected to the word "murder"

Any decent person did

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12 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Where does the ice officer on the driver side of the car disappear to? 

Out of the camera angle, you dumb?

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