Trade Ethics

[Brutal Brutus 182]

I'm commish in a keeper league where players are kept at the position they are drafted at for one year and the second year a player is kept it's at their round ADP for that year. I'm currently 15-1 (two wins a week possible) and tied for first. I have Nick Chubb on my team who has excellent keeper value for next year. The second to last place team, who happens to be family, is just about eliminated from the playoffs has said name my price. Would a trade that consists of Chubb, DJ Moore, and Richard for David Johnson and Marvin Jones be egregious in this standard scoring league given the keeper criteria and state of our two teams? It's not a cut throat league and I prefer maintaining league integrity. I don't want other league members screaming collusion since it is a trade with family and I am commish. Thoughts?

[huskyhater75 242]

I read on here a while back this same situation and the best response (I thought) was when a guy told the potential trader that if both teams are going to use the traded players rather than sit them on the bench then it should be considered okay.

[huskyhater75 242]

I read on here a while back this same situation and the best response (I thought) was when a guy told the potential trader that if both teams are going to use the traded players rather than sit them on the bench then it should be considered okay.

You'll do better when weepaws chimes in on this, let him be the decider.

[Ehlana 25]

How many players does each team keep?

 

I feel like Chubb/Moore for DJ is fine, but adding Richard and Jones into the mix tilts it pretty heavily. But that's just my feelings, people are going to value present vs future value as they see fit.

[Brutal Brutus 182]

How many players does each team keep?

2 players are kept. Only one can be of first round value.

[jrokh 569]

If I was in that league and wasn't a family member it would piss me off.How does that trade help the guy getting Chubb? Its not like DJ is old. Is there a limit on how long you can keep players? That would at least help to make sense of it.

[Brutal Brutus 182]

If I was in that league and wasn't a family member it would piss me off.How does that trade help the guy getting Chubb? Its not like DJ is old. Is there a limit on how long you can keep players? That would at least help to make sense of it.

DJ would cost a first rounder. Chubb is going to be around a 12th. Max a player can be kept is two years. There is a significant advantage to getting great keeper value in the draft.

[TBayXXXVII 2,117]

I agree with Ehlana. Especially if the other guy can't/won't keep Moore. Odds are that while the other guys team stinks, he probably has at least 1 guy who's a better option to keep than Moore is.

[jrokh 569]

DJ would cost a first rounder. Chubb is going to be around a 12th. Max a player can be kept is two years. There is a significant advantage to getting great keeper value in the draft.

That does clear it up a bit, no issues seems clean enough.

[SpenceToons 70]

You're 15-1 right now. I don't think anybody on here would be surprised if that, even if you declined this trade, you still wound up finishing 30-2.

 

The more important score, though, is your Trust, Esteem, and Respect score among the other members. I wouldn't be surprised if that now stood at 11-0. I wouldn't want to do anything that would jeopardize that score falling to, say, 9-2 or 8-3.

 

My first impression was to frown at the trade proposal and a couple others above seemed to feel the same way. While those of us who eat, drink, and sleep FF might be coaxed into viewing the trade as OK, some of the more casual members of your league might not.

[TBayXXXVII 2,117]

If I'm in the league... not involved in this trade, I would look to see what the lesser team is getting. Technically, he's the team with leverage because he's got the players now, that you want, to help you win. Richard is a nothing piece... quantity for quality, so I don't even acknowledge his value on the return. Basically, it's you giving up an RB2 and WR4 for an RB1/2 and WR1/2. You're getting the better players on the front end, so he should be getting the better end of the back end, meaning, keepers. Is he? I'm not so sure. DJ Moore and Richard will NOT be his keepers, so he's going to be able to keep a 3rd round RB2 for an 11th round value in a league were most likely, the 20 best players are kept. His first round pick will be essentially a late 2nd round/early 3rd round player. Is that guy PLUS Nick Chubb better than David Johnson plus your 2nd round pick? I'd bet no.

 

As a working example, if you take the top 20 RB/WR in fantasy right now off the board, Stephon Diggs is the 21st player available (here are the next 4: Tyler Boyd, Robert Woods, JuJu Smith-Schuster, T.J. Yeldon). If you have the 12th pick, losing your first... big deal, you'll have the 13th pick, here is the top 5 available after the top 20 and the 12 best available... Keenan Allen, Jarvis Landry, Brandin Cooks, John Brown, Joe Mixon. On the outside looking in, I see your top 2 picks/players as DJ and K. Allen and his 2 being Chubb and Diggs. I see you winning the "now" portion of the trade PLUS the "later" portion as well. I could see how some people would find this deal as very questionable.

 

NOW, if you're going to tell me that you have Todd Gurley (or someone else), and you can't keep Johnson, then that's a totally different story.

[Brutal Brutus 182]

If I'm in the league... not involved in this trade, I would look to see what the lesser team is getting. Technically, he's the team with leverage because he's got the players now, that you want, to help you win. Richard is a nothing piece... quantity for quality, so I don't even acknowledge his value on the return. Basically, it's you giving up an RB2 and WR4 for an RB1/2 and WR1/2. You're getting the better players on the front end, so he should be getting the better end of the back end, meaning, keepers. Is he? I'm not so sure. DJ Moore and Richard will NOT be his keepers, so he's going to be able to keep a 3rd round RB2 for an 11th round value in a league were most likely, the 20 best players are kept. His first round pick will be essentially a late 2nd round/early 3rd round player. Is that guy PLUS Nick Chubb better than David Johnson plus your 2nd round pick? I'd bet no.

 

As a working example, if you take the top 20 RB/WR in fantasy right now off the board, Stephon Diggs is the 21st player available (here are the next 4: Tyler Boyd, Robert Woods, JuJu Smith-Schuster, T.J. Yeldon). If you have the 12th pick, losing your first... big deal, you'll have the 13th pick, here is the top 5 available after the top 20 and the 12 best available... Keenan Allen, Jarvis Landry, Brandin Cooks, John Brown, Joe Mixon. On the outside looking in, I see your top 2 picks/players as DJ and K. Allen and his 2 being Chubb and Diggs. I see you winning the "now" portion of the trade PLUS the "later" portion as well. I could see how some people would find this deal as very questionable.

 

NOW, if you're going to tell me that you have Todd Gurley (or someone else), and you can't keep Johnson, then that's a totally different story.

The 20 best players are not kept. Due to the rules about 12 of the top 24 or 25 players are usually available. There's usually a significant drop off around in the early 2nd round. DJ isn't even on my radar for keeping at a 1st round value currently. Our top four players off the board this year were DJ, Elliot, Brown, and Barkley. If given the choice to keep Chubb in the 12th or DJ in the first, it's Chubb easily in this league. The other team is doing what I would be doing in his position, but I'm worried about league perception.

 

Based on the comments, I'm not going to do it. Thanks for the feedback everyone!

[TBayXXXVII 2,117]

The 20 best players are not kept. Due to the rules about 12 of the top 24 or 25 players are usually available. There's usually a significant drop off around in the early 2nd round. DJ isn't even on my radar for keeping at a 1st round value. Our top four players off the board this year were DJ, Elliot, Brown, and Barkley.

 

That's information you didn't give. You only said that people can only keep 1 first round player. As I said, if you can't or aren't Johnson then that's a different story. Though, I still think the other guy is getting screwed a bit because he's not going to keep Moore and you're getting a legit starter in Jones, it's not that big of a deal because with Jones or Moore, the other guy isn't winning this year and he's not going to keep either.

 

He would be best served trying to give Jones for a better deal elsewhere... but that's on him, not you.

[Brutal Brutus 182]

 

That's information you didn't give. You only said that people can only keep 1 first round player. As I said, if you can't or aren't Johnson then that's a different story. Though, I still think the other guy is getting screwed a bit because he's not going to keep Moore and you're getting a legit starter in Jones, it's not that big of a deal because with Jones or Moore, the other guy isn't winning this year and he's not going to keep either.

 

He would be best served trying to give Jones for a better deal elsewhere... but that's on him, not you.

Yeah it's a fairly complicated league and rules so its hard to give all the relevant details, but I appreciate the response. He could get more for Jones and he's probably the player that makes this deal questionable, which is why I'm not going to include him the trade.