Hog Chow 0 Posted February 24, 2003 McNabb was a no-brainer at 1.12. He, like Vick, is like starting 2 players. His pts per game were outstanding (highest of all players, including Holmes!) and he's only 26. At 2.01, I went with Tiki and I'm confident he will continue to produce. Last year he has 1,984 total yards and 11 TDS...not too shabby. In fact, he was the 7th highest scoring RB using our pt system. He's 27 and primed to run off several quality years. Plus, his pts/game were higher than all the WRs. [ 02-24-2003: Message edited by: Hog Chow ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan Sez 0 Posted February 24, 2003 I didn't expect McNabb to slide back to me so no surprise he is snatched up. I think Tiki is undervalued in a lot of player projections. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by Dan Sez:I think Tiki is undervalued in a lot of player projections. Our scoring makes Tiki a very nice selection at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pale Rider 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Coming into the draft, I wanted to take a QB early and I had two in mind...Vick or Pennington. I think both of these guys will be around for a while and produce good numbers. Pennington really came on strong last year and I think he has a good upside. He scored two touchdowns on the ground while throwing for 22 in his first full year as a starter. He should be better prepared for this year due to Vinny was the man coming out of camp last year. BTW, the Jets homepage is cool. I am not a big Jets fan but wanted to check some info and found the opening intro to be cool. It is on the left side of the page if you want to see it... http://www.newyorkjets.com/index2new.php Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellothere 1 Posted February 24, 2003 Pennington is the first pick that surprised me honestly. I didn't see him going until the 3/4th. However, who am i to argue with the gut, it my primary system when i get right down to it too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 72 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by hellothere:Pennington is the first pick that surprised me honestly. I didn't see him going until the 3/4th. However, who am i to argue with the gut, it my primary system when i get right down to it too The Vick pick was a bit of a surprise for me. Great upside, just not sold on him yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by hellothere:Pennington is the first pick that surprised me honestly. I didn't see him going until the 3/4th. However, who am i to argue with the gut, it my primary system when i get right down to it too I guess he was thinking that he'd be gone by 3.11, so he had to get him now if we wanted him... Not the wrong call, necessarily, but perhaps a tad too early for my liking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellothere 1 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by shovelheadt: The Vick pick was a bit of a surprise for me. Great upside, just not sold on him yet. the first pick that surprised me, not the first pick i would not have made. i get to be overly cautious of players come draft time. i would have a problem picking up a copule of the guys that have been had so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hog Chow 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Not to sound critical, but Pennington was no higher than 5th on my QB list. There is no doubting his passing skills, but his lack of rushing puts him a notch below some of the others, IMHO. True, he rushed for 2 TDs, but he only rushed for 49 yards all season. At 1 point per 10 rushing, that hurts him a bit. Not a terrible reach, though. Being toward the end/beginning of rounds you sometimes have to reach a bit to get the guy you want. Pennington would probably not have been there for him in third. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellothere 1 Posted February 24, 2003 we take issue with the pick because its not what most people do. but if we just followed all of the dynasty drafts that we have seen then this would be boring, i have to say it was a bit gutsy (i think that's a word) to grab Pennington. I went after A.Brooks two years back earlier than he was projected and got a couple comments thrown my way, but he paid off big time. Pennington could very well do the same, don't take any offense by our comments PR, its not what some of us might have done, but we don't own your team. At the very least you know who you want and will go out there and get them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pale Rider 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by hellothere:we take issue with the pick because its not what most people do. but if we just followed all of the dynasty drafts that we have seen then this would be boring, i have to say it was a bit gutsy (i think that's a word) to grab Pennington. I went after A.Brooks two years back earlier than he was projected and got a couple comments thrown my way, but he paid off big time. Pennington could very well do the same, don't take any offense by our comments PR, its not what some of us might have done, but we don't own your team. At the very least you know who you want and will go out there and get them. I am curious about getting comments because I have been in plenty of "squash" leagues where I would wind up with a bunch of studs due to others having little experience or playing with guys who tank early then give up on playing it through. When D.S. approached me about this, I was hoping to get involved in a league to see if I was really a good FF owner or if I was just a big fish in a small bowl. I am looking forward to the challenge. As far as Pennington is concerned. He is a winner. He did well in college and help get Marshall on the college map and when the reigns where given to him to lead the Jets, they made the playoffs after a real ugly September. I just see me putting the "Franchise" label of either him or Lewis which was my major objective in this draft. Get a guy who will be a productive starter for 4 to 5 years. I am sure one will probably pan out...hopefully both! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Longhorndd 0 Posted February 24, 2003 I am a little surprised at how early Priest went. I know he was a monster last year, but he is coming off an injury and he will be 30 this year. Most RB hit the wall at this age. For a year to year league, I would understand, but in a keeper league? I am not saying this is a bad pick but the 2nd pick overall seemed too early. And you have the contract issue to add to this. Any other thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellothere 1 Posted February 24, 2003 he has been a monster as of late, but i was hoping that he would be gone by my spot so i wouldn't have to consider if taking him was worth the risk. i am weary of injury and age usually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted February 24, 2003 I just paged Swerski... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Check out the comments from the peanut gallery... http://www.fftodayforums.com/cgi-bin/ultim...ic&f=5&t=037300 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pale Rider 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by whoisjgalt:Check out the comments from the peanut gallery... http://www.fftodayforums.com/cgi-bin/ultim...ic&f=5&t=037300[/quote ] One hundred percent "no love" in the house. Oh well, maybe the genius' have discovered D.S. plot to destroy the keeper league he has worked on for so long...yep that is it. Oh well, better run since I have already screwed up the draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Longhorndd 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Hey, Pale Rider - if you do drop out, please trade me Lewis and Pennington before you leave. If I were you I would definitely write down Jimmy "the Greek" name over on the other board and in 2/3 years remind him of how much of a genius he was in Feb '03. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Swerski 0 Posted February 24, 2003 I passed on RB in the first round thinking Dillon or Barber would slide to me. I'm happy with the pick of Dillon at this point. I think it is fair to assume 4-5 more years of high production from him and I think the Bengals may finally be on the way up. At the very least, a HC like Lewis will want to establish a solid running game to build on and Dillon is an absolute workhorse. When the other players I considered are selected, I'll delve into why I passed on them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 72 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by Bill Swerski:I passed on RB in the first round thinking Dillon or Barber would slide to me. I'm happy with the pick of Dillon at this point. I think it is fair to assume 4-5 more years of high production from him and I think the Bengals may finally be on the way up. At the very least, a HC like Lewis will want to establish a solid running game to build on and Dillon is an absolute workhorse. When the other players I considered are selected, I'll delve into why I passed on them. Nice pick...you bastage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hog Chow 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Dillon and Harrison were very good picks. I'm with you on Dillon, Swerski. I had a hard time deciding between Tiki and Dillon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Swerski 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by Hog Chow:Dillon and Harrison were very good picks. I'm with you on Dillon, Swerski. I had a hard time deciding between Tiki and Dillon. I passed on Harrison solely based on position scarcity. If I had taken Harrison, the RB's remaining when it swung back to me would be mid Tier 3 at best. Since the incoming rookie class promises no help at the position, I didn't want to get caught with no RB to start with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 72 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by Bill Swerski: I passed on Harrison solely based on position scarcity. If I had taken Harrison, the RB's remaining when it swung back to me would be mid Tier 3 at best. Since the incoming rookie class promises no help at the position, I didn't want to get caught with no RB to start with. Which is exactly why I don't mind drafting next to last in the rookie draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Longhorndd 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by shovelheadt: Which is exactly why I don't mind drafting next to last in the rookie draft. To counter that, I don't need a top receiver now because Charles Rodgers is coming my way in June. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Swerski 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Bennett is the other guy I passed on. It came down to Bennett, Dillon, or Harrison. I chose Dillon based on his likelihood of being the workhorse and goalline RB for the Bengals. While Bennett is a home run threat, I worried about his size, playing on turf, and the likelihood that he would be pulled on the goal line. Still a very solid pick at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted February 24, 2003 I seem to end up with Owens in every damn league... I just couldn't pass on him after Bennett was taken. Too much value at the 18th pick. Whichever of Bennett or Owens fell to me, I would have gladly taken. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 72 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by Longhorndd: To counter that, I don't need a top receiver now because Charles Rodgers is coming my way in June. The only problem I have with this theory, is that due to our salary retention rule, you need rooks to produce quickly. I can't afford to wait for the 3rd year WR production when I'm paying 1, 2, then 3 points to keep him. RBs on the other hand, have a habit of producing quicker out of the gate. And with jack-squat for RBs in this draft...well, you see my point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Swerski 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by whoisjgalt:I just couldn't pass on him after Bennett was taken. Too much value at the 18th pick. Whichever of Bennett or Owens fell to me, I would have gladly taken. Good value at this point. Bennett is a quality pick in this league because of his potential for long TD's, the same goes for Owens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hog Chow 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Faulk + Owens = Early favorite Very nice, jgalt..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Longhorndd 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by shovelheadt: The only problem I have with this theory, is that due to our salary retention rule, you need rooks to produce quickly. I can't afford to wait for the 3rd year WR production when I'm paying 1, 2, then 3 points to keep him. RBs on the other hand, have a habit of producing quicker out of the gate. And with jack-squat for RBs in this draft...well, you see my point. I do see your point, RBs in the June draft will be very limited, however C Rodgers will be a stud immediately...so I hope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 72 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by Hog Chow:Faulk + Owens = Early favorite Very nice, jgalt..... I will now throw the gimp-hex on Faulk. woooogaaa boooogaaaa. That is all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blitzen 1 Posted February 24, 2003 Culpepper is a bit of a high risk-high reward type guy. Hoping for the latter. He had a so-so year and still produced. He might be in a contract year so I'm hoping he hits the books on defenses... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hog Chow 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Nice pick, Blitz. C-pep was 3rd on my QB list and brings the same tangibles as McNugget and Vick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 72 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by Blitzen:Culpepper is a bit of a high risk-high reward type guy. Hoping for the latter. He had a so-so year and still produced. He might be in a contract year so I'm hoping he hits the books on defenses... He was mine if you hadn't taken him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shovelheadt 72 Posted February 24, 2003 Guys, going to a meeting for the next 2 hours. Call me on my cell when it's my pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orgazmo 2 Posted February 24, 2003 I just caught up on the happenings :eek: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blitzen 1 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by Hog Chow:Nice pick, Blitz. C-pep was 3rd on my QB list and brings the same tangibles as McNugget and Vick. Thanks. I actually thought of drafting McNabb with my first pick. I guess we'll see how this pans out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellothere 1 Posted February 24, 2003 I am VERY happy that one of the big 3 fell to me, it was my ideal first two rounds, it was also probably a good thing that I was not here to see the picks go, I would have sweat bullets thinking Blitz would snag him. Again, doing the happy dance. We are about to see a big dropoff in player lvl IMO in both RB and WR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orgazmo 2 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by hellothere:I am VERY happy that one of the big 3 fell to me, it was my ideal first two rounds, it was also probably a good thing that I was not here to see the picks go, I would have sweat bullets thinking Blitz would snag him. Again, doing the happy dance. We are about to see a big dropoff in player lvl IMO in both RB and WR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted February 24, 2003 Originally posted by Hog Chow:McNabb was a no-brainer at 1.12... At 2.01, I went with Tiki... Actually, I was thinking you'd go WR-WR. I would have taken Harrison & Owens and been smiling. You'd have locked up that position. Just my opinion... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellothere 1 Posted February 24, 2003 Sorry Orgazmo, it had to be done As far as going WR/WR, i question that strat. in a league where you might start up to 8 WR? How do you guys think this affects that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
