Javon Walker is NOT coming back to Green Bay

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

I mentioned this on another JW thread.

 

What if JW's rehab isn't going so well? He's not going say anything. His Dr. is not going to say anything (unless he wants a new career path). People on this bored have noted that it's a 2 yr injury.

 

If this is the case and JW has a medicre or worse year this year, what is his value? Maybe less than the rookie contract. So, the best thing he can do is exactly what he is doing. Demand a trade.

 

I am not saying I agree with his behavior. He's a cry baby and an ass. Just wondering????????????

[Phurfur 70]

I guess I look at the type of player that GB is giving the money to. Kampman, Green, Bubba all are the same type of players who go out, do their job, and let the rest take care of itself. I think in the future this is the type of team you will see in GB.

 

If you look at Walker's stats for his first 4 years and what he was paid he is grossly overpaid. He should be giving money back.

[uubeee 0]

I guess I look at the type of player that GB is giving the money to. Kampman, Green, Bubba all are the same type of players who go out, do their job, and let the rest take care of itself. I think in the future this is the type of team you will see in GB.

 

If you look at Walker's stats for his first 4 years and what he was paid he is grossly overpaid. He should be giving money back.

 

 

I'm sure all teams and all fans would want the enviornment where players play and are compensated accordingly. I certainly do. But egos being what they are....

 

Here's the GB achieving this.

[swirvenirvin 25]

ha good for him fock u favre

[Phurfur 70]

I think Walker and his Step Father truely are idiots. They look at what TO did and think they can do the same thing. What they are forgetting is that TO is a 10 year PROVEN veteran and Walker is a 4 year unproven veteran. I wonder what they will do when reality sets in.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Does everyone who thinks Walker is right and favre is wrong and walker is so underpaid and treated bad..get that Walker brang it upon himself......if he goes to the media about his contract he is bring attention to the situation...

 

maybe if Walker didnt want to cause a problem and make a huge deal to the media about his contract ...then favre wouldnt be able to tell the media what he thinks (less than what he thinks becuz he was prolly thinking that hes an idiot and thinks hes better then he really is)...but favre was nice about it and all he wanted was walker to come back to camp cuz they needed him...and holding out wasnt the way to deal with it....Favre wasnt bashing walker!!!......

 

lets all grow up what happened to the old days when people wernt so sesitive.....i guy has the nerve now a days to go to the media about his contract when he has done close to nothing....and the leader of the team and the man who throws him them balls...cant say the team needs him in camp?....and that the holdout wont solve anything?....

 

lets wipe the tears people....the nfl and players are all getting soft....Walker brang his contract issues to the media to be talked about and guess what? It was talked about....

[Guest stevejohnson]

His step dad also buried Farve which is another one way ticket out of town......

 

THE NEWS

Javon Walker's stepfather commented on the wideout's refusal to play for the Packers on Tuesday. "They could give him a $15 million signing bonus and he would decline it," Charles Goldsmith told the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. "I think everybody is thinking it's going to blow over and Javon's going to show up. He's not showing up. I mean, he is absolutely not showing up. Period. At all." Goldsmith stated 23 times during a 35-minute interview that Walker's career with the Packers is over.

 

 

He makes some good points about Farve often times just throwing the ball up for grabs (like Culpepper did when Moss was there)

[uubeee 0]

His step dad also buried Farve which is another one way ticket out of town......

 

THE NEWS

Javon Walker's stepfather commented on the wideout's refusal to play for the Packers on Tuesday. "They could give him a $15 million signing bonus and he would decline it," Charles Goldsmith told the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. "I think everybody is thinking it's going to blow over and Javon's going to show up. He's not showing up. I mean, he is absolutely not showing up. Period. At all." Goldsmith stated 23 times during a 35-minute interview that Walker's career with the Packers is over.

He makes some good points about Farve often times just throwing the ball up for grabs (like Culpepper did when Moss was there)

 

 

Come on now. Walker isn't even in the same ball park let alone same state as Moss. Moss has proven himself season after season after season. Walker had 1 good year and wasn't the only guy with top stats at WR that year.

 

Walker's disappearance has nothing to do with increased INT's on Favres part. Walker taint that good to be claiming that.

[Guest stevejohnson]

Come on now. Walker isn't even in the same ball park let alone same state as Moss. Moss has proven himself season after season after season. Walker had 1 good year and wasn't the only guy with top stats at WR that year.

 

Walker's disappearance has nothing to do with increased INT's on Favres part. Walker taint that good to be claiming that.

 

I didn't mean to claim that Walker is or ever will be as good as Moss but you know Walker would have come down with a few of those balls that wound up INTs....

[Bigunreal1 0]

Brett Favre is the teflon man of sports- no one ever wants to criticize this stupid, washed up QB.

When he came out publicly and took sides against a teammate in a contract dispute with

management, he did something no other NFL player had ever done before. Still, no one wants to

criticize him, just like they let him get away with falling down in front of Strahan a few years back

to give him the sack record. That was another unprecedented feat for an NFL player, yet again the

league didn't do what it should have done- at least suspend him for a season and quite possibly

ban him from the game. You don't ever do something like that in competitive sports. When Favre

was asked to comment on Walker's holdout, he should have said what any other player would have

said (always had prior to this)- something along the lines of "Hey, that's for them to work out, but

I sure hope they do soon, because we really need Javon here." Instead, he alienated his top WR,

and Javon has obviously not forgotten that.

 

For those of you who claim that Walker is either overrated or "hasn't done anything," consider that

in his rookie year, he didn't play much, like many WRs drafted #1 before him. In his second

season, Javon lit it up down the stretch and finished with 9 TDs, even though he still wasn't

starting. In his third year, like so many star WRs, he blossomed into a star. Then he was hurt

in the first game of his 4th year. So....what are any of you talking about? The guy has progressed

as well as most top-tier WRs have historically. He has every right to be ticked off at Favre.

[the screaming banshee 0]

Brett Favre is the teflon man of sports- no one ever wants to criticize this stupid, washed up QB.

When he came out publicly and took sides against a teammate in a contract dispute with

management, he did something no other NFL player had ever done before. Still, no one wants to

criticize him, just like they let him get away with falling down in front of Strahan a few years back

to give him the sack record. That was another unprecedented feat for an NFL player, yet again the

league didn't do what it should have done- at least suspend him for a season and quite possibly

ban him from the game. You don't ever do something like that in competitive sports. When Favre

was asked to comment on Walker's holdout, he should have said what any other player would have

said (always had prior to this)- something along the lines of "Hey, that's for them to work out, but

I sure hope they do soon, because we really need Javon here." Instead, he alienated his top WR,

and Javon has obviously not forgotten that.

 

For those of you who claim that Walker is either overrated or "hasn't done anything," consider that

in his rookie year, he didn't play much, like many WRs drafted #1 before him. In his second

season, Javon lit it up down the stretch and finished with 9 TDs, even though he still wasn't

starting. In his third year, like so many star WRs, he blossomed into a star. Then he was hurt

in the first game of his 4th year. So....what are any of you talking about? The guy has progressed

as well as most top-tier WRs have historically. He has every right to be ticked off at Favre.

 

That's just the cliff notes version. Up until his breakout season as the Packs #3 Wr, where he didn't line up against anothers teams #1 cb, there were questions about him in Green Bay. As a Walker owner I would love to see him out of GB and not be a distraction to the team. As a Packer fan, I like the way TT has handled the Pack this off season and would back him if held to his guns concerning Walker.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Brett Favre is the teflon man of sports- no one ever wants to criticize this stupid, washed up QB.

When he came out publicly and took sides against a teammate in a contract dispute with

management, he did something no other NFL player had ever done before. Still, no one wants to

criticize him, just like they let him get away with falling down in front of Strahan a few years back

to give him the sack record. That was another unprecedented feat for an NFL player, yet again the

league didn't do what it should have done- at least suspend him for a season and quite possibly

ban him from the game. You don't ever do something like that in competitive sports. When Favre

was asked to comment on Walker's holdout, he should have said what any other player would have

said (always had prior to this)- something along the lines of "Hey, that's for them to work out, but

I sure hope they do soon, because we really need Javon here." Instead, he alienated his top WR,

and Javon has obviously not forgotten that.

 

I do not think you have read many boards like this...or any other...he has been criticized many both for the INTs and the words about Walker.

Ban him from the game? Wow...what an ignorant comment.

 

 

For those of you who claim that Walker is either overrated or "hasn't done anything," consider that

in his rookie year, he didn't play much, like many WRs drafted #1 before him. In his second

season, Javon lit it up down the stretch and finished with 9 TDs, even though he still wasn't

starting. In his third year, like so many star WRs, he blossomed into a star. Then he was hurt

in the first game of his 4th year. So....what are any of you talking about? The guy has progressed

as well as most top-tier WRs have historically. He has every right to be ticked off at Favre.

 

Nobody is claiming he is overrated. They are claiming he had one year warranting more money...he has progressed...but he has not earned the right to threaten holdouts and not playout a contract.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

I can't believe I just read that. Someone, being serious, said that Favre should be banned from the game for getting sacked. That's great, I love this board!

 

[ROBOKOP 0]

I guess the way I intrepreted the information was: I am scared of Brett Favre and sick of him always beating my favorite team; they should have banned him so the Packers didnt have such a great offensive weapon. I am happy he had a bad year and hope he will retire, so I wont have to be scared of him getting back to his old form and humiliating defenses again.

[Kitrick Taylor 0]

Lets not underestimate here that Javon Walker scored single digits on his wonderlic test. I think we are seeing that mentality coming through not only him, but his family right now.

 

 

What do you think the odds are that Walker will stay healthy this year if he holds out again? Lets remember he is coming off an ACL tear. His chances for a productive season are about nil if he chooses that route. Then his ability to collect a big time payday will be about nil as well.

 

Remember a year ago when Walker was demanding a bigger contract than Randy Moss? It appears Ted Thompson may have been a bit smarter than the Walker camp.

[Crestwood 0]

wow.

 

you want to suspend for a year, even go as far as ban farve from football forever for taking a dive for strahan? i not exactly what you call a current farve fan (although i thought he was great player prior to 2002), but this might be the dumbest thing i have ever read.

[Bigunreal1 0]

wow.

 

you want to suspend for a year, even go as far as ban farve from football forever for taking a dive for strahan? i not exactly what you call a current farve fan (although i thought he was great player prior to 2002), but this might be the dumbest thing i have ever read.

 

 

What I said was that the league didn't even investigate the incident in

question. Why wouldn't a suspension or even a ban be justified for what

Favre obviously did? The whole basis of professional sports is undermined

when a player conspires with an opposing player (or just decides on his

own to conspire against his own team) the way that Favre did when he

let an opposing player "earn" a league record by falling down in front of

him. That was the single most dishonest thing I have ever seen a pro

athlete do during a competitive game in all the decades I've been watching

sports. I have also coached youth sports for a number of years, and I can

tell you that a kid who did something like that would be thoroughly

investigated, and if it was found that he did indeed do something on purpose

so that an opposing player could benefit from it, he would be banned from

that youth league. The fact that none of the jock-sniffers in the lame media

even acknowledged what Favre did speaks volumes about how untouchable

this ignorant jerk is. I don't blame Javon for wanting to leave Green Bay.

[LOD01 198]

This punk-ass biatch needs to just shut up and realize that Brett Favre MADE Walker. Without FAVRE, this crybaby is nothing. Go ahead and sit out and get ready for your next career saying 'would you like paper or plastic'?

[Crestwood 0]

What I said was that the league didn't even investigate the incident in

question. Why wouldn't a suspension or even a ban be justified for what

Favre obviously did? The whole basis of professional sports is undermined

when a player conspires with an opposing player (or just decides on his

own to conspire against his own team) the way that Favre did when he

let an opposing player "earn" a league record by falling down in front of

him. That was the single most dishonest thing I have ever seen a pro

athlete do during a competitive game in all the decades I've been watching

sports. I have also coached youth sports for a number of years, and I can

tell you that a kid who did something like that would be thoroughly

investigated, and if it was found that he did indeed do something on purpose

so that an opposing player could benefit from it, he would be banned from

that youth league. The fact that none of the jock-sniffers in the lame media

even acknowledged what Favre did speaks volumes about how untouchable

this ignorant jerk is. I don't blame Javon for wanting to leave Green Bay.

 

well, its official. you are absolute idiot. good luck with that.

[SWC 0]

I have also coached youth sports for a number of years, and I can

tell you that a kid who did something like that would be thoroughly

investigated, and if it was found that he did indeed do something on purpose

so that an opposing player could benefit from it, he would be banned from

that youth league.

 

I love reading about those youth sports league inquests in the paper every day.

 

???

[Blackgums100 0]

Pack fans keep supporting TT. After 5 years of sub .500 records you will see the light.

 

Get out of the stone age with this hard line BS approach. As long as the NFL doesn't guarantee it's contracts the current players have no choice but to try and get big signing bonuses as soon as they can. If they don't they could wind up like JW, blowing out a knee and being stuck with a bad contract.

 

While I hate the mentality of about 50% of the current players it isn't changing anytime soon. And if the organizations don't adapt they will have a tough time landing good free agents.

 

One more thing, all you GD Fare fans need to get off his jock. You all knock JW yet Favre has been stringing them along the last 2 years playing this stupid I might retire BS every time he has a bad game. He has made it very hard on them to decide which direction they should go in this off-season.

[Bigunreal1 0]

well, its official. you are absolute idiot. good luck with that.

 

Can't argue with a brilliant response like that.

 

I love reading about those youth sports league inquests in the paper every day.

 

???

 

 

Yeah, go ahead and ridicule. No joke about "inquest" will counter the fact that in

youth sports, certain rules apply, and if either a player or coach violates them,

they are usually penalized in some way. No one suggested that the media would

cover such a thing. However, when a pro athlete obviously stops competing,

during a game, and allows an opponent to benefit directly from his actions, then

he has violated the most important rule in any professional sport.

[Ed Suspicious 0]

However, when a pro athlete obviously stops competing,

during a game, and allows an opponent to benefit directly from his actions, then

he has violated the most important rule in any professional sport.

 

Bubba Franks and the Tackle must have stopped competing as well since they allowed Strahan to penetrate enough to put Favre in a position to be sacked. Ban the whole O'line and the RB for not picking up the rush. Clearly a conspiracy occured with Favre as the mastermind.

 

 

 

Get over it already, the rest of the world has.

[slash 0]

Taking a hard line just hasn't worked well. So either adapt or lose out. It was handled so poorly, they now have almost no way of signing a young WR that looked close to becoming a future star.

 

My point is you keep taking a hard line and good luck getting pro bowl caliber free agents. Pack fans had better hope they have great drafts over the next couple of years.

 

 

 

ummm sorry, you are wayyyyy offbase..

1) JW will never be a big star in this league after an acl injury.. you can take that to the bank. so the packers are by no means missing out on anything big. Can he be a good WR, sure.. but not a star.

 

2) looking at it hindsite, the pack did the right thing, made him play under his current contract to prove that he is all that and that he is not injury prone. WHAT? do you think that he would not have blown his acl if he had signed a big contract...? *no proof of that either way* The packers would have looked reaaaaaaly stup|d if they had signed him to a big contract and he went out and blew out a knee.

 

and all this hardline talk scaring freeagents away? ummmm thats redicilous. the FA's look for money and security, if you give them what they want they will sign and be like JW? whos JW? is he still in the NFL? The only problem I see is when players want more than what they deserve. and if there is a gm out there that is willing to pay them, then more power to them. I wouldnt want my GM to do the same.

 

I am soo freaking glad that the bears didnt sign randel el.... he isnt worth half of what he got, so do i blame my gm for missing out on a good pick up.. no.. actually i pat him on the back for being smart enough not to fall in the trap of overpaying.

[Arsenal 3]

Pack fans keep supporting TT. After 5 years of sub .500 records you will see the light.

 

Get out of the stone age with this hard line BS approach. As long as the NFL doesn't guarantee it's contracts the current players have no choice but to try and get big signing bonuses as soon as they can. If they don't they could wind up like JW, blowing out a knee and being stuck with a bad contract.

 

I guess I just don't see JW as being worth a big contract at this point. You don't become a good team by overpaying poor players either. He will likely have a mediocre year in 2006 and who knows what will happen after that. He has never had to carry the team as a #1 receiver that was THE go to guy, and yet he wants to be paid like that player.

 

I feel sorry for the guy getting injured and all that during what essentially would have been his contract year, but that is the breaks in football. He needs to come out and play this year, hopefully end the season strong and show that he will be fully recovered for the rest of his career and then cash in on a big contract. Whether that is with the Packers or not, he will have a lot more control over the situation at that point. IMO its just silly to hold out in a year that you are recovering from a major injury and will not be 100%.

[slash 0]

I guess I just don't see JW as being worth a big contract at this point. You don't become a good team by overpaying poor players either. He will likely have a mediocre year in 2006 and who knows what will happen after that. He has never had to carry the team as a #1 receiver that was THE go to guy, and yet he wants to be paid like that player.

 

I feel sorry for the guy getting injured and all that during what essentially would have been his contract year, but that is the breaks in football. He needs to come out and play this year, hopefully end the season strong and show that he will be fully recovered for the rest of his career and then cash in on a big contract. Whether that is with the Packers or not, he will have a lot more control over the situation at that point. IMO its just silly to hold out in a year that you are recovering from a major injury and will not be 100%.

[Blackgums100 0]

ummm sorry, you are wayyyyy offbase..

1) JW will never be a big star in this league after an acl injury.. you can take that to the bank. so the packers are by no means missing out on anything big. Can he be a good WR, sure.. but not a star.

 

 

That is all hindsight, they hard lined him before he blew out his ACL, and yes many thought he was well on his way to being a stud. Please keep taking that stance on your first round picks that are about to become stars.

 

BTW Players do bounce back from ACLs, and the list is getting larger and larger: Edge, Jamal Lewis and Priest to name a few.

[hoffdaddy 1]

That is all hindsight, they hard lined him before he blew out his ACL, and yes many thought he was well on his way to being a stud. Please keep taking that stance on your first round picks that are about to become stars.

 

BTW Players can bounce back from ACL is getting larger and larger: Edge, Jamal Lewis and Priest to name a few.

 

Those are all running backs. I'd be interested in seeing how Wide Receivers have fared, as I don't know that I've really seen a study on it.

[slash 0]

That is all hindsight, they hard lined him before he blew out his ACL, and yes many thought he was well on his way to being a stud. Please keep taking that stance on your first round picks that are about to become stars.

 

BTW Players can bounce back from ACL is getting larger and larger: Edge, Jamal Lewis and Priest to name a few.

 

i agree its hindsight. and thats what i said is the right thing to do. just because someone has a break out year after 1 horrid year and 1 mediocre year doesnt mean that he deserves to be paid like the best reciever in football.

Guess what, they have no where to go if they are under contract and one more thing... take the hard line stance, be consistent, and when they are almost out of contract pay them what they are worth and they will sign... there are just too many pooooosays as GM's out there and they give in too early.

 

let me ask you another question... a wr has never won a sb by himself. how many rings does JW have? how many does givens or patten have? One player dont make a team.

 

last but not least.. note that not a single one of the comeback players that you mentioned are WR's... unless i am missing something.

[b.j. booker 0]

I like the quote from his step-father where he said he doesnt want to be like T.O. Newsflash - It's too late, you already are. What a dumba$$.

 

 

LMFAO

[uubeee 0]

Brett Favre is the teflon man of sports- no one ever wants to criticize this stupid, washed up QB.

When he came out publicly and took sides against a teammate in a contract dispute with

management, he did something no other NFL player had ever done before. Still, no one wants to

criticize him, just like they let him get away with falling down in front of Strahan a few years back

to give him the sack record. That was another unprecedented feat for an NFL player, yet again the

league didn't do what it should have done- at least suspend him for a season and quite possibly

ban him from the game. You don't ever do something like that in competitive sports. When Favre

was asked to comment on Walker's holdout, he should have said what any other player would have

said (always had prior to this)- something along the lines of "Hey, that's for them to work out, but

I sure hope they do soon, because we really need Javon here." Instead, he alienated his top WR,

and Javon has obviously not forgotten that.

 

For those of you who claim that Walker is either overrated or "hasn't done anything," consider that

in his rookie year, he didn't play much, like many WRs drafted #1 before him. In his second

season, Javon lit it up down the stretch and finished with 9 TDs, even though he still wasn't

starting. In his third year, like so many star WRs, he blossomed into a star. Then he was hurt

in the first game of his 4th year. So....what are any of you talking about? The guy has progressed

as well as most top-tier WRs have historically. He has every right to be ticked off at Favre.

 

3 things I'm sure you haven't taken into consideration.

 

1. This is a Javon Walker thread. Not a Brett Favre thread.

 

2. Taking into consideration your vast experience with youth, what would you do if you had a WR that had a good year and started making demands to you? Would you cave in? It sounds as if you would. Heck, that youth lit it up down the stretch last year, so he should be able to sit out of practice and demand more from the youth organization.

 

3. You have been called an idiot in this thread. And that is correct.

[Crestwood 0]

3 things I'm sure you haven't taken into consideration.

 

1. This is a Javon Walker thread. Not a Brett Favre thread.

 

2. Taking into consideration your vast experience with youth, what would you do if you had a WR that had a good year and started making demands to you? Would you cave in? It sounds as if you would. Heck, that youth lit it up down the stretch last year, so he should be able to sit out of practice and demand more from the youth organization.

 

3. You have been called an idiot in this thread. And that is correct.

 

 

hey, lay off him. he coaches youth sports, so he obviously has more knowledge then you of the innerworkings of a football franchise

 

[Blackgums100 0]

let me ask you another question... a wr has never won a sb by himself. how many rings does JW have? how many does givens or patten have? One player dont make a team.

 

 

I agree one player doesn't make a team but Jerry Rice sure did help.

[Phurfur 70]

That is all hindsight, they hard lined him before he blew out his ACL

 

Who are you??

 

Did you follow the situation. JW hard lined the Packers, he wanted more money or he wouldn't play. Why don't you try that with your boss and when he fires you, you can say he hard lined you.

 

The bottom line is JW was being paid fairly for what he had done to date.

[slash 0]

I agree one player doesn't make a team but Jerry Rice sure did help.

 

ok ok.. now lets get serious... JR is a legend. But even then... he wouldnt have been able to win the SB if the rest of the pieces werent in place... aka

Montana - legend

r. craig - very good rb

Taylor - excellent 2nd reciever

Clark - excellent Te.

 

if you remember the big catch that started the SF run.. it was by clark not the GREAT jerry rice. So once again... not even jerry rice can do it alone, even as great as he is.

 

3 things I'm sure you haven't taken into consideration.

 

1. This is a Javon Walker thread. Not a Brett Favre thread.

 

2. Taking into consideration your vast experience with youth, what would you do if you had a WR that had a good year and started making demands to you? Would you cave in? It sounds as if you would. Heck, that youth lit it up down the stretch last year, so he should be able to sit out of practice and demand more from the youth organization.

 

3. You have been called an idiot in this thread. And that is correct.

[Blackgums100 0]

Who are you??

 

Did you follow the situation. JW hard lined the Packers, he wanted more money or he wouldn't play. Why don't you try that with your boss and when he fires you, you can say he hard lined you.

 

The bottom line is JW was being paid fairly for what he had done to date.

 

 

That is exactly yours and the Management of the Packers problem. For some reason you haven't adapted to the changing attitudes of the current players. Current players do not respond well to hard stances and force tactics. You have got to know how to bend a little to be successful with modern day athletes.

 

So what exactly has the Packs stance with JW got them? A talented, disgruntled former first round pick, with super diminished value. So what's next, he is either traded for peanuts or is a huge distraction til the season starts. WELL DONE PACK, good luck sucking the next 5 years.

 

ok ok.. now lets get serious... JR is a legend. But even then... he wouldnt have been able to win the SB if the rest of the pieces werent in place... aka

Montana - legend

r. craig - very good rb

Taylor - excellent 2nd reciever

Clark - excellent Te.

 

if you remember the big catch that started the SF run.. it was by clark not the GREAT jerry rice. So once again... not even jerry rice can do it alone, even as great as he is.

 

 

BTW Rice was great his first couple of years in Oakland. I think if not for a BS tuck call they would have been in the Superbowl.

 

While I like Joe Cool and the rest of the players you mentioned I think the only argument you could have made was that Walsh's system created that dynasty.

[uubeee 0]

That is exactly yours and the Management of the Packers problem. For some reason you haven't adapted to the changing attitudes of the current players. Current players do not respond well to hard stances and force tactics. You have got to know how to bend a little to be successful with modern day athletes.

 

So what exactly has the Packs stance with JW got them? A talented, disgruntled former first round pick, with super diminished value. So what's next, he is either traded for peanuts or is a huge distraction til the season starts. WELL DONE PACK, good luck sucking the next 5 years.

BTW Rice was great his first couple of years in Oakland. I think if not for a BS tuck call they would have been in the Superbowl.

 

While I like Joe Cool and the rest of the players you mentioned I think the only argument you could have made was that Walsh's system created that dynasty.

 

Your hatred for GB clouds your judgement. Philly has taken a hard line stance for years now. What has it brought them? A good cap management and constant competition for the SB. You view is clearly wrong as proved by Philly. Oh by the way. NE has taken a similar stance. They don't overpay and bend over for players. What did it get them> I don't know...maybe 3 titles?

 

You really need to step back a look at the situation without your bias.

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Your hatred for GB clouds your judgement. Philly has taken a hard line stance for years now. What has it brought them? A good cap management and constant competition for the SB. You view is clearly wrong as proved by Philly. Oh by the way. NE has taken a similar stance. They don't overpay and bend over for players. What did it get them> I don't know...maybe 3 titles?

 

You really need to step back a look at the situation without your bias.

 

What in the world makes you think your front office and coaches are even close to being on par with the teams you just mentioned?

 

BTW I have no hatred with the Pack. I just think they could have handled the JW problem better. Maybe your hatred for JW has clouded your reasoning. Wouldn't you have wanted more in return for a former first round pick. Hell had you traded him before he blew out his knee you could have got a first round pick for him. Now you will be lucky to get a fifth rounder. I agree he only had one stellar season but maybe an agreement could have been reached.

 

GB has a ton of cap space but yet you lose Longwell leave and replace him with Cundiff. GB is on the way down.

 

 

Those are all running backs. I'd be interested in seeing how Wide Receivers have fared, as I don't know that I've really seen a study on it.

 

 

I think Jerry Rice tore his ACL.

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What in the world makes you think your front office and coaches are even close to being on par with the teams you just mentioned?

 

BTW I have no hatred with the Pack. I just think they could have handled the JW problem better. Maybe your hatred for JW has clouded your reasoning. Wouldn't you have wanted more in return for a former first round pick. Hell had you traded him before he blew out his knee you could have got a first round pick for him. Now you will be lucky to get a fifth rounder. I agree he only had one stellar season but maybe an agreement could have been reached.

 

GB has a ton of cap space but yet you lose Longwell leave and replace him with Cundiff. GB is on the way down.

 

You've gone off point.

 

1. You say hard lines don't work.

2. I say here are 2 situations where it has worked.

3. You get defensive by trying to say that those hard line teams are successful because they are not GB.

 

You don't make any sense. Why not defend your point that hard lines don't work. Because they clearly do. You just don't like GB.

 

Admit it.

 

Your bias is transparent.

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You've gone off point.

 

1. You say hard lines don't work.

2. I say here are 2 situations where it has worked.

3. You get defensive by trying to say that those hard line teams are successful because they are not GB.

 

You don't make any sense. Why not defend your point that hard lines don't work. Because they clearly do. You just don't like GB.

 

Admit it.

 

Your bias is transparent.

 

and let me add to that. he mentions that if JW was traded before he blew out his knee... UM.. unless you are the next swami, i dont know who could have predicted that. Thats why i said that you let the young player play out most of their contract, prove that they can sustain high level of play and that they do not get hurt before you open the check book.

 

aka, see tom brady... he banked pretty good if you ask me. and he didnt complain and just played and played well.

 

ps. the argument about the front offices not being the same caliber, is the most azzbackward reasoning that I have ever heard. So according to blackgums100, if you are not the NE or phillys, you should over pay and bend over and grab your ankles if your players say so. HUH????

 

no seriously HUH?????