Illegal Immigration - This chased torridjoe!

[torridjoe 48]

next time just say you're wrong. Some of us have done it. It's not that difficult.

 

I just pointed out where I was wrong, asshat. I never said there were no statutes on the books, but by asking what statutes existed, points out that I assumed there were none. As I said, incorrect.

 

The correct phrase should have been "being illegal doesn't get you charged with a crime."

[Strike 6,024]

No one said there weren't penalties. Poor try on your part.

 

So it's illegal and there are penalties. How is it not a crime again?

[Ravens 03 0]

It's not a crime, it's a status.

 

[davebg 0]

Look up FAA lighters on google.

I did. Imagine my suprise when I found this in the first search result.

Warning: Civil penalties of up to $1,100 per violation in addition to criminal penalties are being enforced to those passengers who knowingly attempt to carry banned items.

 

1. Knives of any length.

2. All cutting and puncturing items including corkscrews.

3. Flammable liquids and containers under pressure such as aerosols. Permitted are personal care items - perfumes, deodorants, etc. however, containers may not exceed 16 fluid ounces.

4. Matches and lighters may only be carried on your person. "Strike-anywhere" matches and lighters with flammable liquid reservoirs are forbidden (such as disposable lighters).

5. Toy weapons. Sports equipment (golf clubs, bats, pool cues, etc. must be checked), power tools.

6. Any item that may be consider dangerous or used as a weapon may be prohibited regardless of its original intended use.

http://www.christinecolumbus.com/airsecurity.asp

Let me guess...just b/c there are criminal penalties that doens't mean that a crime has taken place, right?

[torridjoe 48]

I have smoked pot on the streets of NYC many, many, many times...often within close proximity of a police officer. I have never been taken into custody, arrested or charged w/a crime.

 

So, by your reasoning, I did not committ a crime.

 

Awesome

 

depends...what's the current enforcement status in NYC these days? I believe they've decriminalized it, haven't they?

[Ravens 03 0]

Let me guess...just b/c there are criminal penalties that doens't mean that a crime has taken place, right?

 

[davebg 0]

You mean your intel was wrong, but that doesn't make you a liar.

Lot's of good stuff in this thread, but this one is the WINNAH!

[torridjoe 48]

I did. Imagine my suprise when I found this in the first search result.

 

Let me guess...just b/c there are criminal penalties that doens't mean that a crime has taken place, right?

 

Way to leave out "knowingly attempt."

[davebg 0]

depends...what's the current enforcement status in NYC these days? I believe they've decriminalized it, haven't they?

sadly no

[Toro 3]

Lot's of good stuff in this thread, but this one is the WINNAH!

 

I was wondering if anyone got that!

 

Poor torrid. His wittle arms must be tired from all the treading water.

[torridjoe 48]

So it's illegal and there are penalties. How is it not a crime again?

 

Because people who break it aren't charged with anything.

[Strike 6,024]

The correct phrase should have been "being illegal doesn't get you charged with a crime."

 

You think we don't know that? Why do you think there are 10 threads about it on the first page? Dumb fock...

[surferskin 31]

torridjoe - It's messican thang, you wouldn't understand.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

I just pointed out where I was wrong, asshat. I never said there were no statutes on the books, but by asking what statutes existed, points out that I assumed there were none. As I said, incorrect.

 

The correct phrase should have been "being illegal doesn't get you charged with a crime."

 

torrid, I think that your definition of crime is outdated. I believe that the fact that there is a penalty means that there is a crime and that the classification of said crime is denoted by the severity of the penalty (i.e. felony is over 1 year in jail)

 

In Title 8 USC 1325, when they increased the fine amount for the first offense, they also changed the language

 

Amendments:

1990 - Subsec.(a). Pub. L. 101-649, Sec. 543 ( (2), inserted "or attempts to enter" after "(1) enters" and "attempts to enter or" after "or (3)", and substituted "shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined not more than $2,000 (or, if greater, the amount provided under title 18) or imprisoned not more than six months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years" for "shall, for the first commission of any such offenses, be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction thereof be punished by imprisonment for not more than six months, or by a fine of not more than $500, or by both, and for a subsequent commission of any such offenses shall be guilty of a felony and upon conviction thereof shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than two years, or by a fine of not more than $1,000".

 

If you are implying that the amendment in 1990 described above somehow made entering the country illegally (I assume we are no longer disputing that term) not a crime, please let me know. TIA

[torridjoe 48]

I was wondering if anyone got that!

 

Poor torrid. His wittle arms must be tired from all the treading water.

 

So you're saying Bush committed a transcription error? Someone mistakenly wrote "Saddam has WMDs" and he was just passing along the quote?

[Ravens 03 0]

Because people who break it aren't charged with anything.

 

So it's not a crime?

 

 

[Strike 6,024]

Because people who break it aren't charged with anything.

 

Are you back to asserting that it's not a crime? You should give up when you're behind.....

[Ravens 03 0]

So you're saying Bush committed a transcription error? Someone mistakenly wrote "Saddam has WMDs" and he was just passing along the quote?

 

Stay on tiopic

 

"Being here illegally isn't a crime!"

 

[Toro 3]

Because people who break it aren't charged with anything.

 

The major offenses for which illegal aliens were convicted in federal court in 1995 were unlawfully entering the United States (47 percent of the total), drug trafficking (27 percent), other immigration offenses (11 percent) and fraud (5 percent).

 

You should tell the guys in jail that.

[davebg 0]

Way to leave out "knowingly attempt."

OK...I'll play.

 

If there are only criminal penalties for knowlingly attempting to bring one of those banned items on board (like a disposable lighter) then I will concede that any illegal immigrant who unknowingly entered the country illegally should not be charged with a crime.

[torridjoe 48]

You think we don't know that? Why do you think there are 10 threads about it on the first page? Dumb fock...

 

Yes, you are, but don't be so hard on yourself. You're also wrong; there isn't another thread on the first page that referenced immigrants not being charged with an existing criminal law.

 

Stay on tiopic

 

"Being here illegally isn't a crime!"

 

 

I'm just answering Toro.

[Toro 3]

So you're saying Bush committed a transcription error? Someone mistakenly wrote "Saddam has WMDs" and he was just passing along the quote?

 

No, I am saying that you lied to me based on the intel you had at the time. You said that having a lighter was illegal on a plane where davebg provided "Matches and lighters may only be carried on your person" as a retort.

 

You are a liar. But it's not your fault.

[torridjoe 48]

So it's not a crime?

 

Fundamentally correct. Why do you keep asking?

[Strike 6,024]

Yes, you are, but don't be so hard on yourself. You're also wrong; there isn't another thread on the first page that referenced immigrants not being charged with an existing criminal law.

I'm just answering Toro.

 

No, but there a bunch lamenting the fact that we have a huge immigration problem and our gov't isn't doing shiat about it and guess what causes the problem? The fact that millions are crossing our border illegally and not charged/deported, whatever the fock you want to call it. It should have been a clue that had you phrased it as "they aren't charged" noone would have taken issue with you. It's pathetic when you can't admit you're wrong, which is way too frequent.

[torridjoe 48]

No, I am saying that you lied to me based on the intel you had at the time. You said that having a lighter was illegal on a plane where davebg provided "Matches and lighters may only be carried on your person" as a retort.

 

You are a liar. But it's not your fault.

 

Since when is a federal regulation "intel?" What refutory evidence did I have when I made the statement?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Where is the referee to stop this bloodbath? Cripes, at least give him a standing 8 count. This is getting ugly.

[Toro 3]

Fundamentally correct. Why do you keep asking?

You are still saying that illegal immigrants are not doing anything illegal and are not committing a crime?

 

 

Since when is a federal regulation "intel?" What refutory evidence did I have when I made the statement?

 

You had none. So you REALLY lied!!!!

[torridjoe 48]

No, but there a bunch lamenting the fact that we have a huge immigration problem and our gov't isn't doing shiat about it and guess what causes the problem? The fact that millions are crossing our border illegally and not charged/deported, whatever the fock you want to call it. It should have been a clue that had you phrased it as "they aren't charged" noone would have taken issue with you. It's pathetic when you can't admit you're wrong, which is way too frequent.

 

You still labor under the huge weight of your own misunderstanding. You seem to think being charged and being deported are equivalent, which they are not.

 

It's pathetic when I admit I'm wrong, and because it focks up your imaginary view of me, you ignore it.

[George Carlin 1]

No, but there a bunch lamenting the fact that we have a huge immigration problem and our gov't isn't doing shiat about it and guess what causes the problem? The fact that millions are crossing our border illegally and not charged/deported, whatever the fock you want to call it. It should have been a clue that had you phrased it as "they aren't charged" noone would have taken issue with you. It's pathetic when you can't admit you're wrong, which is way too frequent.

 

THEY TOOK AR JABS!!!!!

[Ravens 03 0]

Where is the referee to stop this bloodbath? Cripes, at least give him a standing 8 count. This is getting ugly.

 

He'll be swinging until he's out on the mat.

[Strike 6,024]

Where is the referee to stop this bloodbath? Cripes, at least give him a standing 8 count. This is getting ugly.

 

You got to give him credit for persistence. I've seen it before. He can be pathetically behind on all the judges scorecards but he keeps fighting, if only with little sissy punches.

[surferskin 31]

Where is the referee to stop this bloodbath? Cripes, at least give him a standing 8 count. This is getting ugly.

 

<---torrid

 

*throws towell*

[torridjoe 48]

You are still saying that illegal immigrants are not doing anything illegal

 

That's two people who have made this erroneous statement. I never said that, not even once.

 

You got to give him credit for persistence. I've seen it before. He can be pathetically behind on all the judges scorecards but he keeps fighting, if only with little sissy punches.

 

You don't quit when you're right. You even admitted I was right.

[Ravens 03 0]

Fundamentally correct. Why do you keep asking?

 

Cause I keep laughing when I see you continually type [to paraphrase]:

 

Fundamentally, being here illegally is not a crime.

 

 

 

Thanks for making my day.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

You got to give him credit for persistence. I've seen it before. He can be pathetically behind on all the judges scorecards but he keeps fighting, if only with little sissy punches.

 

We need Fervid to log in and throw in the towel for him.

[insert Rocky quote here]

[Toro 3]

That's two people who have made this erroneous statement. I never said that, not even once.

You don't quit when you're right. You even admitted I was right.

 

"Being here illegally isn't a crime."

 

You didn't say this?????

[surferskin 31]

That's two people who have made this erroneous statement. I never said that, not even once.

 

 

Being here illegally isn't a crime.

[torridjoe 48]

Cause I keep laughing when I see you continually type [to paraphrase]:

 

Fundamentally, being here illegally is not a crime.

Thanks for making my day.

 

glad you're happy to learn something--we don't treat being here illegally as a crime.

[Ravens 03 0]

We need Fervid to log in and throw in the towel for him.

[insert Rocky quote here]

 

We need Mike FFToday to stop the fight!

[torridjoe 48]

"Being here illegally isn't a crime."

 

You didn't say this?????

 

That's not what you accused me of saying.

 

"You are still saying that illegal immigrants are not doing anything illegal "