swirvenirvin 25 Posted May 30, 2006 or 6 This is embarrassing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy1 0 Posted May 30, 2006 Big Ben seems to have a lost a step. He used to be able to quard the opposing center and wait to the last minute to provide help defense on a driver. Now it looks like he's having to commit earlier, leaving Shaq by himself allowing Wade to lob passes back to Shaq. Not all Ben's fault, cause there probably not anyone in the league who can guard Wade anyway, but a very healthy Shaq and Wade are nearly unstoppable, add in Walker playing somewhat to his abilities and Miami's just a very very talented team. Detroits always been better then the sum of it's parts. IMO right now, Miami's big three just add up to more then Detroit can handle right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spongeboobie 0 Posted May 30, 2006 Believe in Miracles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted May 30, 2006 Pistons fans, welcome to the wonderful world of Flip Saunders. He runs a great offensive system: fluid, easy to learn, and the kind of thing you can run for 82 games without a deep bench. But he is among the worst coaches in the league when it comes to making game-to-game adjustments to counter an opponent. I would disagree that Wallace has lost a step. For all the problems he presents (and they're well documented) Larry Brown had the ability to force, convince, cajole or trick seasoned pros into playing team defense night after night. Shaq is playing well, and when he plays like this it's tough for anyone to control him, but Rasheed's failure to rotate from the weakside and provide a shot blocking presence is what's leaving Ben on an island. The key to Detroit's defense has been that they've had three guys able to alter shots (the Wallaces and Prtince) on the floor without sacrificing their base offense. That's not happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swirvenirvin 25 Posted May 30, 2006 I'd rather have Zo then Big Ben 25% FT shooting?? C'mon a 10 yr old girl can do better than that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy1 0 Posted May 30, 2006 I'd rather have Zo then Big Ben 25% FT shooting?? C'mon a 10 yr old girl can do better than that In his limited time, I've been at how well Zo's been playing. 25% really is sick. I could hit 3 out of 10 blindfolded, maybe he should try that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy1 0 Posted May 30, 2006 LOL, okay Shaq is huge, to block Dale Davis without leaving your feet, that's impressive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy1 0 Posted May 30, 2006 41 foul shots and only a 4 pt lead... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted May 30, 2006 Miami FT: 45 Detroit FT: 18 I'm sure good ol Stern didn't make a phone call to bob delaney this week Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 426 Posted May 30, 2006 It's not over.....not over by any means. Detroit can beat anybody at home....so it comes down to them having to find a way to win in Miami. Can they do that? Not if the Heat keep playing the way they have in this series. But, the Heat could go cold any game now and if that happens to be in Game 6....then it's a different series. I can't believe some of you Piston fans are abandoning the ship.....yours is a resilient team. I would bet at this point that the Heat goes on to win the series, too, but I don't think a comeback is outside the realm of possibility. Momentum can turn on a dime in sports. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted May 30, 2006 Momentum can turn on a dime in sports. hard to believe that when it is starting to look like the winner of this series was already decided off the court. this is the NBA, remember? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,567 Posted May 30, 2006 SI is always so cheerful. Especially after a loss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeminiV 0 Posted May 30, 2006 Miami FT: 45Detroit FT: 18 I'm sure good ol Stern didn't make a phone call to bob delaney this week Yeah, it sure looked like Detroit had Bob Delaney guarding Wade tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted May 30, 2006 Yeah, it sure looked like Detroit had Bob Delaney guarding Wade tonight. no, his job was to make guarding Wade in any way a foul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeminiV 0 Posted May 30, 2006 no, his job was to make guarding Wade in any way a foul. By guarding, I assume you mean splattering him all over the hardwood? Too bad it's not best out of 9 or 11. Eventually they would've knocked Wade out of this series like they did in last year's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,567 Posted May 30, 2006 Yeah, it sure looked like Detroit had Bob Delaney guarding Wade tonight. Maybe Bob Barker, Bob Dole, Bob Goldthwaite, Bob Saget, Bob Newhart or Sponge Bob SquarePants could do a better job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted May 30, 2006 but this game wasn't about wade anyway, it was about shaq getting away with murder repeatedly. wasn't that 1st quarter great? shaq was wide open again and again for easy dunks...then you see the replays and several times he blatently pushes ben wallace out of the lane, gets the pass, easy dunk, no foul. how about that charge over Wallace where he loses the ball out of bounds to detroit. easy offensive foul call...oh woops no foul. and how about that awesome pass from Walker that Shaq tipped in with his fingertips?! Rashweed got called for the foul on him there...then you see the replay. Shaq pushes Weed in the back then jumps and tips it in... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squidfinger 0 Posted May 30, 2006 but this game wasn't about wade anyway, it was about shaq getting away with murderrepeatedly. wasn't that 1st quarter great? shaq was wide open again and again for easy dunks...then you see the replays and several times he blatently pushes ben wallace out of the lane, gets the pass, easy dunk, no foul. how about that charge over Wallace where he loses the ball out of bounds to detroit. easy offensive foul call...oh woops no foul. and how about that awesome pass from Walker that Shaq tipped in with his fingertips?! Rashweed got called for the foul on him there...then you see the replay. Shaq pushes Weed in the back then jumps and tips it in... That's not why you're losing. You're losing because Rip can't hit the side of a barn right now, Sheed has gone back to being Portland Sheed (which makes me laugh...you think the D is going to change him? Please), and Billups just isn't very good right now (I was ready to annoint him Mr. Clutch, but aside from a moment here and there, he's been ordinary, which is just shocking). Only explanation for all of this is locker room problems, as I think Kerr noted a couple of games ago. Verrrrry interesting to see if Big Ben gets resigned. I don't think I would at this point if he wants more than 3 years at huge money... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted May 30, 2006 That's not why you're losing. so are you saying that teams with 25 free throw deficits win all the time right? no effect? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,567 Posted May 30, 2006 Seems to me that Baghdad Bob was more fair, balanced, and impartial than Bob DeLaney. Just kidding- I couldn't help myself. Seriously, I don't like how the officiating is (I could tick off a few bad calls too besides the one GH does) but I'm not going to gripe about it because it's part of the game and complaining is unbecoming. Detroit doesn't attack the basket much, they settle for outside shots, and so so don't draw many fouls. Shaq's been picking up tons of fouls all year but Detroit has become a preimeter team with little offensive presence in the paint. Between Shaq's big butt and Wade's constant cuts to the basket the Detroit big men all got in foul trouble. I'm surprised at how well Miami is playing defensivly. Detroit isn't getting a lot of good looks. Some of those shots Wade hit were pretty amazing. I wish it were just the officiating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted May 30, 2006 It's not the lack of defensive fouls on Miami I'm complaining about. It's the uncalled offensive fouls. Detroit shot 22 free throws which is right in line with the previous games for both teams(27 22 21 33 25 21) we all saw Shaq run over Ben and lose the ball out of bounds to Detroit. What did the announcers say: They coulda called that an offensive foul. (well why didn't they?) Or that tip in by Shaq that I mentioned, on replay the announcer says: I don't know about that call, it looks like Shaq was the one pushing in the back. when you add up this crapola you are looking at an easy 10-15 point swing. it only took 3 horrific calls to completely overturn a superbowl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy1 0 Posted May 30, 2006 It's not the lack of defensive fouls on Miami I'm complaining about.It's the uncalled offensive fouls. Detroit shot 22 free throws which is right in line with the previous games for both teams(27 22 21 33 25 21) we all saw Shaq run over Ben and lose the ball out of bounds to Detroit. What did the announcers say: They coulda called that an offensive foul. (well why didn't they?) Or that tip in by Shaq that I mentioned, on replay the announcer says: I don't know about that call, it looks like Shaq was the one pushing in the back. when you add up this crapola you are looking at an easy 10-15 point swing. it only took 3 horrific calls to completely overturn a superbowl. No kidding, cause Shaq is never fouled, never has a body thrown at him or has guys draped all over him when before he even gets the ball. He's in a bubble until he initiates contact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted May 30, 2006 No kidding, cause Shaq is never fouled, never has a body thrown at him or has guys draped all over him when before he even gets the ball. He's in a bubble until he initiates contact. uhm, Shaq shot 15 free throws, 11 more than the closest piston player. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy1 0 Posted May 30, 2006 uhm, Shaq shot 15 free throws, 11 more than the closest piston player.HTH Congrats you can read a box score. Is your point that the refs called make believe fouls on Shaq defenders as he was driving to the hoop. I watched the game that's not even close, he was often mugged trying to take the ball up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,578 Posted May 30, 2006 uhm, Shaq shot 15 free throws, 11 more than the closest piston player.HTH and how many of the 15 did he hit? It's not like they were sending Larry Bird to the free throw line Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swirvenirvin 25 Posted May 30, 2006 SI is always so cheerful. Especially after a loss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Churchill610 0 Posted May 30, 2006 The Pistons are wimping out just like the Red Wings. Makes me sick... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uh-huh 0 Posted May 30, 2006 It's not the lack of defensive fouls on Miami I'm complaining about.It's the uncalled offensive fouls. Detroit shot 22 free throws which is right in line with the previous games for both teams(27 22 21 33 25 21) we all saw Shaq run over Ben and lose the ball out of bounds to Detroit. What did the announcers say: They coulda called that an offensive foul. (well why didn't they?) Or that tip in by Shaq that I mentioned, on replay the announcer says: I don't know about that call, it looks like Shaq was the one pushing in the back. when you add up this crapola you are looking at an easy 10-15 point swing. it only took 3 horrific calls to completely overturn a superbowl. This board desperately needs a :violin: smilie. GO HEAT!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
