why does everyone use 1-12 12-1 draft

[kevinkass310 0]

Every time I see a mock draft on this board rounds are flip flopped check this 1 I have used the last 10 years. Wouldnt you prefer this one leave opinions.

 

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11

11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10

10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9

9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8

8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7

7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6

6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5

5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4

4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3

3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2

2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1

 

or the very dumb

 

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

[Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka 0]

My league used to redraw after the first two rounds. I think thats better than either. Your way sorta focks #11 doesn't it?

[What is the deal? 1]

I'm in a one player keeper league.

 

We use the order we finished the previous year. Last place gets 1st pick for the 1st round, people who kept somebody don't get to pick. They then do that again for the 2nd round and reversed for the 3rd, but during the 4th/5th we draw cards and flip the picks. Makes it very interesting. Then 6th/7th we draw again and so on until the last round.

[jocstrap 8]

Every time I see a mock draft on this board rounds are flip flopped check this 1 I have used the last 10 years. Wouldnt you prefer this one leave opinions.

 

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11

11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10

10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9

9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8

8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7

7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6

6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5

5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4

4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3

3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2

2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1

 

or the very dumb

 

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

 

You're making my eyes spin

[mgs316 14]

#1 gets two top 14 guys, the #1 player and #14 player.

 

#11 gets shafted. The #11 player and the #24 player.

 

I don't care that #11 gets #25, players values even out past two rounds more or less.

 

#1 can get a combo of LJ and the top WR or a runningback of Ronnie, Caddy, Davis, Jones, McGahee ilk, or god forbid everyone passes on Manning and he lines up Manning and LJ, have fun with that.

 

So i guess I think it's a "no" vote for me. In the end I think auctions are better but takes much more research and skill which most people don't have, so thus we all go with 1-12,12-1 method.

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 38]

I don't like it one bit. If you pick 6 or worse, bring an enema to the draft to clean out what just happened to you.

 

Check out the SB winners and runners-up the last few years and I bet you will find that the vast majority come from those with top picks.

[DaveJ 0]

I don't like it one bit. If you pick 6 or worse, bring an enema to the draft to clean out what just happened to you.

 

Check out the SB winners and runners-up the last few years and I bet you will find that the vast majority come from those with top picks.

 

I would disagree with this only by adding that if you don't pick in the top 4, you better be last or next to last and get lucky on your first two picks. A lot depends on the guys drafting in front of you, but I would say the vast majority of teams with draft positions 1-3 do end up winning. Injuries can kill you though....

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 38]

I would disagree with this only by adding that if you don't pick in the top 4, you better be last or next to last and get lucky on your first two picks. A lot depends on the guys drafting in front of you, but I would say the vast majority of teams with draft positions 1-3 do end up winning. Injuries can kill you though....

 

Don't disagree, good point, but in a serpentine drafting at 12, you have the same 2 picks in the first 2 rounds. So you have to get lucky anyway. Injuries can kill you no matter where you draft so I don't know what your point is.

 

But, my point is look at where #1 drafts:

1.01

2.02

3.03

4.04 etc.

 

Now, let's look at #6.

1.06

2.07

3.08

4.09 etc.

 

That is an unfair advantage. And, he thinks that's better than strait serpintine? Please pass the pipe.

 

It will be interesting to see if he responds to my ? about SB and runners-up. Actually, I would be even more interested if he listed the top 4 reg season records and where they drafted over a series of years. It would be more telling.

[mgs316 14]

I don't like it one bit. If you pick 6 or worse, bring an enema to the draft to clean out what just happened to you.

 

Check out the SB winners and runners-up the last few years and I bet you will find that the vast majority come from those with top picks.

 

 

I agree with you a 100%, but even the standings wouldn't tell you anything because people can draft poorly or injuries crushed some teams. Both are irrelevant. This draft is inherently unfair, and I have no idea really how he can justify it.

 

Normal draft means: #1 + #24 + #25 + #48 is fairly equal to #12 + #13 +#36 + #37

 

then

 

His example: (1st pick) #1 + #14 + #27 +#40 is better then (11th pick) #11 + #24 + #25 +#38

[Jay 0]

LOL. The thing that everyone hates about the snake draft is that the top picks end up with an advantage. You've managed to take that advantage and make it even larger.

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 38]

I agree with you a 100%, but even the standings wouldn't tell you anything because people can draft poorly or injuries crushed some teams. Both are irrelevant. This draft is inherently unfair, and I have no idea really how he can justify it.

 

Normal draft means: #1 + #24 + #25 + #48 is fairly equal to #12 + #13 +#36 + #37

 

then

 

His example: (1st pick) #1 + #14 + #27 +#40 is better then (11th pick) #11 + #24 + #25 +#38

 

A new first at FFToday. 2 rational, intelligent people who can agree to agree!

[mgs316 14]

A new first at FFToday. 2 rational, intelligent people who can agree to agree!

 

 

Don't tell anyone, they might ban us.

 

Here's a better way to pose this question: go up to someone in the draft and say, "Hey, you want to trade your #1, #14, #27 for my #11, #24, #25?" Guy would laugh at you then kick you in the nuts.

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 38]

Don't tell anyone, they might ban us.

 

Here's a better way to pose this question: go up to someone in the draft and say, "Hey, you want to trade your #1, #14, #27 for my #11, #24, #25?" Guy would laugh at you then kick you in the nuts.

 

Uh, I would not kick him in the nuts. Too commonplace. Around here, most would say "punch him in the face in front of his wife and kids." But, I like my solution better. Go to his house, do his wife, drink all his beer, fart in his frig.

 

Anyway, I think there are better solutions out there than serpintine. I have not thought of one and this obviously is not the answer.

[akareckas 0]

Every time I see a mock draft on this board rounds are flip flopped check this 1 I have used the last 10 years. Wouldnt you prefer this one leave opinions.

 

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11

11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10

10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9

9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8

8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7

7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6

6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5

5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4

4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3

3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2

2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1

 

or the very dumb

 

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

Yours is no good. The team iwth the first pick gets 1 and 14....way too good on that team.

[Belushi 9]

The guy who draws the 11th spot might as well not show up for the draft.

 

Just convert to an auction that's fair to everyone.

[ellisonb11 0]

#1 gets two top 13 guys, the #1 player and #13 player.

 

#11 gets shafted. The #11 player and the #24 player.

 

I don't care that #11 gets #25, players values even out past two rounds more or less.

 

#1 can get a combo of LJ and the top WR or a runningback of Ronnie, Caddy, Davis, Jones, McGahee ilk, or god forbid everyone passes on Manning and he lines up Manning and LJ, have fun with that.

 

So i guess I think it's a "no" vote for me. In the end I think auctions are better but takes much more research and skill which most people don't have, so thus we all go with 1-12,12-1 method.

 

yea u beat me to it here. i dont think ur way is fair at all. also its confusing...

 

LOL. The thing that everyone hates about the snake draft is that the top picks end up with an advantage. You've managed to take that advantage and make it even larger.

 

yea you have made the advantage of the top picks so large its not even close to fair for the other picks.

[Gephardt69 0]

Just convert to an auction that's fair to everyone.

 

although we used to have a variant on the serpentine draft where the order would be reversed on the 2nd and 3rd rounds, then on the 6th and 7th rounds, so that the guy who picked first would pick last in the 2nd and 3rd then pick first in the 4th and the order would repeat every four rounds. that was pretty fair but then we found the auction and never went back.

[Dr Hook 6]

I used to play poker with a couple of guys that would think this is fair. That was easy money. Auction is the only way to go.

[Phurfur 70]

I don't like it one bit. If you pick 6 or worse, bring an enema to the draft to clean out what just happened to you.

 

I played in a league like this and quit for this reason. You knew right away if you pick 6-10 you had to be twice as good a FF owner just to compete.

[G3-175SE 0]

or the very dumb

 

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

 

Dumb to whom? You. Maybe but it works. Yours doesn't. Just ask those above me.

[hoffdaddy 1]

The draft itself doesn't guarantee anything. Yes, there are advantages to picking top 5. However, I tend do better when I pick later in a standard serpentine. Better yet, I firmly believe your league is won with the waiver wire, not the draft.

[Force of Two 0]

The draft itself doesn't guarantee anything. Yes, there are advantages to picking top 5. However, I tend do better when I pick later in a standard serpentine. Better yet, I firmly believe your league is won with the waiver wire, not the draft.

 

However....that way of drafting is like drafting with Special Olympic people

[hoffdaddy 1]

However....that way of drafting is like drafting with Special Olympic people

 

 

I agree that the method is flawed. However, I think the intention is good. I'm all for mixing it up if it makes sense.

[Phurfur 70]

Better yet, I firmly believe your league is won with the waiver wire, not the draft.

 

This is not true. If a good owner picks first it is almost impossible to make up the difference on the waiver wire if you pick 6 - 10.

[Mack Daddy 0]

Every time I see a mock draft on this board rounds are flip flopped check this 1 I have used the last 10 years. Wouldnt you prefer this one leave opinions.

 

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11

11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10

10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9

9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8

8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7

7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6

6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5

5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4

4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3

3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2

2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1

 

or the very dumb

 

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

 

Sorry, but your system is very unfair or "Dumb" as you would call it. Number 11 gets hosed badly and number one has a HUGE advantage. Basically the top of the draft order get a huge advantage, which is not what you want in a redraft style. Do your league a favor, go back to the traditional serpentine style. It is the best method for a redraft league.

[HawgWild 0]

Yeah I gotta say I am not wild about that draft.. We redraw after every 2 rounds so that does increase the "luck" factor but it has worked pretty good for the 20 years I have been in it...

[gatorbait7391 0]

hahah this is crazy! way to benificial for pick #1 and just plain stupid.

[PistolPete2432 0]

Is this serious???

[ellisonb11 0]

hahah this is crazy! way to benificial for pick #1 and just plain stupid.

 

[hoffdaddy 1]

This is not true. If a good owner picks first it is almost impossible to make up the difference on the waiver wire if you pick 6 - 10.

 

I disagree, but to each his own. Every year there are guys who come off the waiver wire and deliver.

[mgs316 14]

I disagree, but to each his own. Every year there are guys who come off the waiver wire and deliver.

 

Of course you can make it up, but you shouldn't be put at such a disadvantage from the get go.

[titan20 0]

this is the dumbest thing I have ever seen, there are only two possible ways. The traditional snake 1-12, 12-1. Or redraw after every 2 rounds.

[LunaTick 29]

1. straight up serpentine is the most fair and balance approach

 

2. that next to an auction based upon some sort of limits. this assuming players know and understand values.

And can budget wisely.

 

3. Resetting lottery thoughout the draft. Which makes it more difficult to mock more than the first period of the draft.

 

4. Chaos every round.

 

somewhere at the bottom is the stupid idea of offsetting the draft by 1 player each round.

 

 

 

 

Now, there might be a value in every odd round offsetting the draft. But I would think by a larger number would be more fair and interesting.

first 2 rounds

1 - 12

12 - 1

then

7-6

6-7

then back again

 

or 1-12

12-1

then

9-8

8-9

then

5-4

4-5

and then back to 1-12.

[cixelsyd 0]

Every time I see a mock draft on this board rounds are flip flopped check this 1 I have used the last 10 years. Wouldnt you prefer this one leave opinions.

 

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11

11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10

10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9

9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8

8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7

7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6

6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5

5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4

4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3

3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2

2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1

 

or the very dumb

 

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

 

Does your way include you being the #1 pick each year???

[Steel City Blues 0]

I can't believe I read this entire thread!

 

Still in shock that someone thinks this is fair.

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The style I've enjoyed the most were "redraw" every 2 rounds.

 

Used luck of the draw cards then pick your position for round 1&2

 

Best poker hand (5 card draw...4 players a hand) for 3-4

 

Darts (one shot each with tiebreakers) for 5-6

 

Continue with quick result luck/skill nonsense like that. I suck at darts though.

 

 

 

Never tried an auction league, but it has to be the fairest way to draft a team.

[RealDeal5781 0]

Moron.

[Ravens 03 0]

LOL. The thing that everyone hates about the snake draft is that the top picks end up with an advantage. You've managed to take that advantage and make it even larger.

 

Funny

[Gepetto 998]

Moron.

[whoisjgalt 0]

Through 12 rounds and trusting the valuations provided here:

 

Serpentine draft: the 1st pick has a 6.2% better value vs the draft position with the worst value (12th) (6354 vs 5982)

This stupid draft: the 1st pick has a 12.4% better value vs the draft position with the worst value (10th) (6616 vs 5886)

[U Dub 0]

Every time I see a mock draft on this board rounds are flip flopped check this 1 I have used the last 10 years. Wouldnt you prefer this one leave opinions.

 

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11

11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10

10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9

9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8

8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6-7

7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5-6

6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4-5

5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3-4

4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2-3

3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1-2

2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-1

 

or the very dumb

 

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12

 

 

did it your way for a couple of yrs and HATED IT!!! we changed over to a snake style draft 2 yrs ago. its alot more fun and makes the teams more competive.