Birdseed 1 Posted June 9, 2006 Not our Albert, that's not possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulinstl 296 Posted June 9, 2006 AND HERE COME THE CARDINAL HOMERS AS SUSPECTED!! Not our Albert, that's not possible. Paul, in all honesty. you don't all think the start of Albert's career is the least bit fishy? Just because you have a boner for Bonds, an admitted cheater, you go out of your way to cast doubts on other players. That's fine, I understand that. If you think this article is the smoking gun, you're way off. The writer even admits he's only 80% sure of the names, and he goes out of his way to say that he can't confirm that Pujols' name is listed or not. I guess we're going to have to waint and see. And, yes, until proven otherwise, I stand behind the assumption that Pujols is clean. Call me ahomer all you want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IN$TANT REPAY 11 Posted June 9, 2006 Even beyond the lack of testing for HGH, aren't the designers of steriods always 2 steps ahead of the those developing the tests? I'm sure there are a lot of steriods out there that won't show up positive on a drug test. some say that Gene Doping is the next big thing.... the good.... Don't have time for the gym? What if there were a pill or a shot that could make you faster, stronger, and more muscular with little or no exercise involved? That may not be as utopian as it sounds: A recent study by researchers at the University of Pennsylvania found that rats injected with a gene that increased the production of the growth hormone IGF-I were 15%-30% stronger than non-injected rats. The leg muscles of the injected rats were also 20%-50% larger. The study, led by geneticist Lee Sweeney, implies that if people are injected with a similar hormone, they too may get stronger without training. Sweeney's study targeted a treatment for muscular dystrophy, a disease where muscle fibers degenerate and are replaced by other types of tissue, like fat. However, Sweeney became interested in muscle degeneration after watching the aging process of loved ones in their eighties and nineties. "Although they enjoyed generally good health, their quality of life suffered because of weakness associated with aging," he says. "Both muscle strength and mass can decrease by as much as a third between the ages of 30 and 80." Common problems in the elderly, like falling and breaking a hip, are due to muscle weakness. The study, then, has the potential to slow one of the major side-effects of aging. But while the medical possibilities are nothing short of miraculous, the real interest may lie in uses for the healthy. the bad... Already, Sweeney's office at the University of Pennsylvania has been flooded with requests from athletes and health buffs interested in the treatment. Sport officials are already concerned about the use of gene therapy—gene doping, as they call it—in athletes. Since it uses the body's natural processes, gene doping would be undetectable, making it the perfect way to cheat. The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and the International Olympic Committee said that some athletes may use gene doping as soon as the 2008 Olympics in Beijing. At least one athlete has already drawn on gene therapy: U.S. sprinter Kelli White admitted to using undetectable steroids and a synthetic form of the hormone erythropoietin (EPO). She was caught because of documents linking her and other athletes to drugs manufactured at a San Francisco-based lab, BALCO. White was suspended for two years and stripped of her Gold Metals for winning the 100 and 200 meters at the 2003 World Championships in Paris. EPO stimulates the production of the body's red blood cells, thereby increasing endurance. In the future, gene therapy would increase the athlete's own production of red blood cells without the need of a synthetic version of the hormone. Gene therapy involves injecting the body with a therapeutic gene that either replaces nonexistent genes or changes the level of genetic activity. Scientists use viruses to transport the gene to the cell after first removing the dangerous part of the virus and inserting a gene into it. In the cell, one of two things are designed to happen: Either the gene merges with the DNA and becomes a permanent part of the body, thereby being recreated every time the cell divides, or it is inserted into a ring of DNA in the cell nucleus, where it remains for the life of the cell. the uglor.... The problem is that interactions among genes are poorly understood, and many unforeseen problems can arise. In 1999, another University of Pennsylvania researcher, James Wilson, injected a gene in the legs of monkeys to increase the level of EPO. Within two weeks, the monkeys had notably higher red blood cell counts. However, after a few months the monkeys' immune systems, recognizing the EPO as a foreign invader, began to attack it; unfortunately, they attacked natural hormones as well. The monkeys developed severe anemia and had to be put to sleep, according to the Los Angeles Times. http://www.howestreet.com/articles/index.php?article_id=673 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,836 Posted June 9, 2006 Just because you have a boner for Bonds, an admitted cheater, you go out of your way to cast doubts on other players. That's fine, I understand that. If you think this article is the smoking gun, you're way off. The writer even admits he's only 80% sure of the names, and he goes out of his way to say that he can't confirm that Pujols' name is listed or not. I guess we're going to have to waint and see. And, yes, until proven otherwise, I stand behind the assumption that Pujols is clean. Call me ahomer all you want. Bonds is an admitted cheater? link? You have as much proof on Bonds as I do on Pujols. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulinstl 296 Posted June 9, 2006 Bonds is an admitted cheater? link? You have as much proof on Bonds as I do on Pujols. HTH We did this last week. I posted a link where according to his Grand Jury testimony, he admiited using the "cream" and the "clear". He stated he didn't know it was steroids at the time. The links were from CNN and ESPN. Do a search on the nets. Also, did you read this article cited in the thread? It's all supposition and whispers and innuendo, edjr. I'll wait until either the names are released to a major news outlet or somebody tests positive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 2 Posted June 9, 2006 I guess people will call me a homer, but this is story is nothing on substance. Read the entire bit quoted, not GettnHuge's hand picked excerpt:So, what we have is guilt by association. Earlier in the article, the writer makes this claim: 80% reliability factor admitted by the writer. Can you say cheesy source? posting the entire piece would be against the rules hth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMoney 0 Posted June 9, 2006 wasn't it a hot lil rumor LAST year that Pujols may be on the naughty list?... as if tony larussa is going to turn his head the other way if this happens he will just blast the media again for even THINKING that one of his guys is juicin or taking something... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 30 Posted June 9, 2006 you mean his 80 homerun pace wasn't real?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,995 Posted June 9, 2006 I just hope he comes back from the DL soon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,836 Posted June 9, 2006 We did this last week. I posted a link where according to his Grand Jury testimony, he admiited using the "cream" and the "clear". He stated he didn't know it was steroids at the time. The links were from CNN and ESPN. Do a search on the nets. Also, did you read this article cited in the thread? It's all supposition and whispers and innuendo, edjr. I'll wait until either the names are released to a major news outlet or somebody tests positive. You can post all the links you want to "leaked" grand jury testimony. We know this to be 100% fact, right? Again, as of right now there is ZERO proof. Leaked grand jury testimony is meaningless. As if CNN and or ESPN never aired a story or showed something that wasn't true? C'mon now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy1 0 Posted June 9, 2006 When will you realize, baseball and the NFL is full of frauds, probably upwards of 50% of it's athletes. Upwards of 50%, yet only 5-8% have tested positive... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulinstl 296 Posted June 9, 2006 posting the entire piece would be against the ruleshth O.K. Link the source, then you can post the entire article. You posted the source, so you could have posted the parts that show this is a really crappy piece of dung. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IN$TANT REPAY 11 Posted June 9, 2006 O.K. Link the source, then you can post the entire article. You posted the source, so you could have posted the parts that show this is a really crappy piece of dung. HTH pujols says that he is innocent... Mihlfeld said he has spoken to both Grimsley and Pujols since this scandal broke. He described Pujols, who went to high school in the Kansas City area, as frustrated. "You know why he's frustrated?" he said. "Because he cares. He cares what every little kid thinks about him. He cares if some kid picks up a magazine, and they start talking about steroids. He cares that little kids will always link that to him. He's sick about it. He hates it." http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/14781295.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
