Brian Calhoun

[kutulu 1,676]

Was thinking he would make a good, late, sneaky, high risk high reward type of pick.....read in a few place that he is a better fit for the Martz system.

 

BUT, seeing him way down the depth chart. Anybody able to shed any light on the dealio in Det.?

 

RB1 RB1 Kevin Jones

RB2 RB2 Shawn

RB3 RB3 Arlen Harris

RB4 FB1 Cory Schlesinger

RB5 RB4 Brian Calhoun Rookie

RB6 RB5 Artose Pinner

[semaj33 0]

http://www.fflivewire.com/IndexofArticles.asp?search=calhoun

 

heres the articles i have seen on mr. calhoun....

i already have him on my roster...so yes i think he has some major potential....his wisconsin pro day 40 time was a lot faster than the combine one...i don't think a lot of people realize this fact...great sleeper...

 

http://www.nfl.com/video/29 also check out his video interview on this...just shows you what kind of kid he really is...makes you want to cheer for him...especially over kevin "i can't run for 100 yards" jones...

 

also check out

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...howtopic=216036

~out

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

As a Wi alum here is what I have to say about Calhoun:

 

He is faster in pads than he is without them.

Avoids contact better than any I have ever seen.

Quicker than lightning.

Can't and won't run between the guards and is not effective when he does. Read, great on draw plays, worthless in non passing downs inside.

Great pass reciever.

 

Not Faulk, but could be very good in a Martz O. I will grab him in the teens. If Jones goes down, look out!

[lguero1 4]

Calhoun is the best runner in the world, but the 4th best at Detroit. Don't waste your pick on him. If Kevin Jones, Arlen Harris, and Artose Pinner go down, that was one hell of a pick. Foolish. He may the best fit for Detroit and Martz' system but evidently there are three RBs that fit a little better. I love Calhoun but let him climb the ladder first. Watch the WW but don't waste a pick on him unless you live in WI and everyone picks with their hearts.

 

Calhoun

[Cuse9 129]

I already talked this kid up and got ripped on....so why not do it again.

 

Great skills as mentioned above. Lions gotta do something to turn it around...right? Jones is a good back...but he will get hurt. Bryson might be the fastest back in the league, but he won't get a shot and Pinner has been there a few years and if you've been in Detroit for a few years and haven't cracked the starting line up.....how good can you be?

 

Besides, look how great Wisconsin running backs do in the NFL...Ron Dayne, Michael Bennett, Anthony Davis, Brent Moss, Terrell Fletcher....okay, maybe not so great.....Alan Ameche, he was great (30 years ago).....but this kid is gonna be good, I'd tell ya how good, but I don't want to stir anyone up! Draft him late and see what happens.

[remote controller 143]

Looks to me like those guys above Calhoun are basically Fb's in that offense. Pinner being the other half back, and he's behind Calhoun. Now Bryson is capabale, and done both. All seems well to me, as Cory and Arlen are not going to take anything away from the rookie, who is in a very good spot, and won't be thrust into anything he isn't prepared for. He will be used on return teams and get a few shots at the 3rd down change of pace role in the preseason.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Looks to me like those guys above Calhoun are basically Fb's in that offense. Pinner being the other half back, and he's behind Calhoun. Now Bryson is capabale, and done both. All seems well to me, as Cory and Arlen are not going to take anything away from the rookie, who is in a very good spot, and won't be thrust into anything he isn't prepared for. He will be used on return teams and get a few shots at the 3rd down change of pace role in the preseason.

 

Agreed.

 

And he is a rookie, with people ahead of him so there is no need to rush.

 

I think given the chance he could be very good in this offense.

I said so to the Lions fans on draft day that they may have gotten a gem there...especially with Martz.

 

Might be good to stash in some deeper dynasty leagues...but for a redraft, Id say hold off until something happens to Jones (if something happens to him).

[hoffdaddy 1]

I already talked this kid up and got ripped on....so why not do it again.

 

Great skills as mentioned above. Lions gotta do something to turn it around...right? Jones is a good back...but he will get hurt. Bryson might be the fastest back in the league, but he won't get a shot and Pinner has been there a few years and if you've been in Detroit for a few years and haven't cracked the starting line up.....how good can you be?

 

Ron Dayne, Michael Bennett, Anthony Thompson....

 

Uh, Anthony Thompson played at Indiana.

 

Michael Bennett actually did have a few good NFL seasons.

 

The jury is out on Ron Dayne.

 

By the way, the same people who bring this up, are the same ones who passed on Larry Johnson because of the Penn State RB thing. It's better to evaluate a runner on his own merits, than worry about what other running backs from the same college program did.

[What is the deal? 1]

Was thinking he would make a good, late, sneaky, high risk high reward type of pick.....read in a few place that he is a better fit for the Martz system.

 

BUT, seeing him way down the depth chart. Anybody able to shed any light on the dealio in Det.?

 

RB1 RB1 Kevin Jones

RB2 RB2 Shawn

RB3 RB3 Arlen Harris

RB4 FB1 Cory Schlesinger

RB5 RB4 Brian Calhoun Rookie

RB6 RB5 Artose Pinner

FYI, Arlen Harris is 2nd string.

 

HTH

[Polamalu43 0]

The PC thing for coaches to do is put rookies behind the vets on the depth chart this time of year, so I would look too muchi into depth chart, yet. If he is still there late in the preseason, then he won't be worth looking at. We are a ways from knowing the true value of Calhoun until closer to the season.

[Cuse9 129]

Uh, Anthony Thompson played at Indiana.

 

Michael Bennett actually did have a few good NFL seasons.

 

The jury is out on Ron Dayne.

 

By the way, the same people who bring this up, are the same ones who passed on Larry Johnson because of the Penn State RB thing. It's better to evaluate a runner on his own merits, than worry about what other running backs from the same college program did.

 

DOH!! Man this isn't my week....I meant Anthony Davis...good call....well, Anthony Thompson sucked too though!

[hoffdaddy 1]

DOH!! Man this isn't my week....I meant Anthony Davis...good call....well, Anthony Thompson sucked too though!

 

He sure did!

 

As for Anthony Davis, well. I'm not sure there was much hype about him. A seventh round pick. A guy who could never, every stay healthy at Wisconsin.

[Sho Nuff 720]

He sure did!

 

As for Anthony Davis, well. I'm not sure there was much hype about him. A seventh round pick. A guy who could never, every stay healthy at Wisconsin.

 

Yup...was just straight away fast...and too small.

 

Calhoun is much different...just ask Alvarez.

[hoffdaddy 1]

Yup...was just straight away fast...and too small.

 

Calhoun is much different...just ask Alvarez.

 

Agreed on Calhoun. Some have said he's similar to Terrell Fletcher, only a much better runner. That's pretty accurate to me. Calhoun is a great, great pass catcher, and has the quicks to make people miss. Similar to Fletcher, who made his career off of that in San Diego.

 

However, I think Calhoun is a better running back. While it's true he may never be a great between the tackles runner, I've seen him dish out some hits on safties and defensive backs.

 

The one thing that really impresses me though, is that he never takes the big hit. He's one of those guys that just makes that last move to avoid the huge contact. I don't think I ever really saw him get blown up at Wisconsin. That makes it easier to stay healthy for sure, and that's critical at the next level.

[SmartassBoiler 0]

The depth charts don't mean anything at this time of year.

 

I expect him to slowly get used as a passing down back. There seems to be a lot of negative views on Kevin Jones' passing down skills, as in he can't block and doesn't catch the ball very well.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Agreed on Calhoun. Some have said he's similar to Terrell Fletcher, only a much better runner. That's pretty accurate to me. Calhoun is a great, great pass catcher, and has the quicks to make people miss. Similar to Fletcher, who made his career off of that in San Diego.

 

However, I think Calhoun is a better running back. While it's true he may never be a great between the tackles runner, I've seen him dish out some hits on safties and defensive backs.

 

The one thing that really impresses me though, is that he never takes the big hit. He's one of those guys that just makes that last move to avoid the huge contact. I don't think I ever really saw him get blown up at Wisconsin. That makes it easier to stay healthy for sure, and that's critical at the next level.

 

Agreed...he never has taken many big hits. Gets small in the holes...and when he gets through just has that extra quickness and burst.

 

He had a rough time at the combine on his 40 times. Came back and lit it up. Again, want to go to a coach...ask Tommy Tuberville if he thinks Calhoun is fast.

 

The depth charts don't mean anything at this time of year.

 

I expect him to slowly get used as a passing down back. There seems to be a lot of negative views on Kevin Jones' passing down skills, as in he can't block and doesn't catch the ball very well.

 

Agreed...probably a nice 3rd and 5+ yards back right now because of his ability to catch the ball.

[Cuse9 129]

He sure did!

 

As for Anthony Davis, well. I'm not sure there was much hype about him. A seventh round pick. A guy who could never, every stay healthy at Wisconsin.

 

I think the only Wisconsin back to ever actually be any good was Alan Ameche. Terrell Fletcher was decent pass catcher for the Bolts.

 

Wisconsins past rb's in the NFL doesn't bode well for Calhoun, but I think the kid has some great potential with the Lions. I like his abilities. I'm in a fourteen team league, so to get him as my fifth back won't hurt me...there will be 60 rb's taken, so I'll take the chance.

[MudDawgs4Life 6]

Go badgers.

[Phurfur 70]

Calhoun is the best runner in the world, but the 4th best at Detroit. Don't waste your pick on him. If Kevin Jones, Arlen Harris, and Artose Pinner go down, that was one hell of a pick. Foolish. He may the best fit for Detroit and Martz' system but evidently there are three RBs that fit a little better. I love Calhoun but let him climb the ladder first. Watch the WW but don't waste a pick on him unless you live in WI and everyone picks with their hearts.

 

Calhoun

 

No way Pinner beats out Calhoun, I think Pinner gets cut this year. Harris is the guy to be concerned with because Martz brought him in from St Louis and likes him alot.

 

 

Yup...was just straight away fast...and too small.

 

Calhoun is much different...just ask Alvarez.

 

Alverez was quoted as saying "Brian Calhoun is the best RB I ever coached" and that is not just in his days in Wisconsin.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Alverez was quoted as saying "Brian Calhoun is the best RB I ever coached" and that is not just in his days in Wisconsin.

 

That is what I was getting at.

[remote controller 143]

No way Pinner beats out Calhoun, I think Pinner gets cut this year. Harris is the guy to be concerned with because Martz brought him in from St Louis and likes him alot.

 

 

 

 

Martz brought him along.........yes, but, he also knows his limitations, and he is not anything but a stop gap type guy. He can fit in all over and fill a role for awhile, and will give it all he's got. That just isn't near what Calhoun can bring as Jones's replacement for a long stretch.

[SoloMatisse 0]

I think the kid has alot of heart, and sounds like a great person, but he's not getting it done in the NFL.....he's water bug quick, but physically he makes Warrick Dunn look like King Kong. I just dont see it.

[hoffdaddy 1]

I think the kid has alot of heart, and sounds like a great person, but he's not getting it done in the NFL.....he's water bug quick, but physically he makes Warrick Dunn look like King Kong. I just dont see it.

 

What? Calhoun is 5'9" tall, and 202 pounds. Warrick Dunn is 5'10", and 180 pounds. Can you explain this to me?

 

Also, take a look at his touches last year in the Big Ten. If his size was in issue, there's no way he makes it through the Big Ten season unscathed last year.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I think the kid has alot of heart, and sounds like a great person, but he's not getting it done in the NFL.....he's water bug quick, but physically he makes Warrick Dunn look like King Kong. I just dont see it.

 

Dunn, 5'9" 180 lbs

Calhoun, 5'9" 202 lbs

 

[Phurfur 70]

What? Calhoun is 5'9" tall, and 202 pounds. Warrick Dunn is 5'10", and 180 pounds. Can you explain this to me?

 

Also, take a look at his touches last year in the Big Ten. If his size was in issue, there's no way he makes it through the Big Ten season unscathed last year.

 

 

Rushing 2005 Att Yds Ave TD's

Brian Calhoun 348 1,646 4.7 22

 

Receiving 2005

Brian Calhoun 53 571 10.8 2

[Parja 0]

Calhoun strikes me as Michael Bennett 2.0.

[Phurfur 70]

I think everyone is missing the point of this tread. "Calhoun could be a good late round pickup in deep leagues."

[tampa_fan_01 0]

Based on this thread, and the information i've been reading and researching, yes. I would say for sure in Dynasty leagues. In redraft, I think hes a waiver wire kinda guy, too far down the depth chart for most players to take.

[SoloMatisse 0]

What? Calhoun is 5'9" tall, and 202 pounds. Warrick Dunn is 5'10", and 180 pounds. Can you explain this to me?

 

Also, take a look at his touches last year in the Big Ten. If his size was in issue, there's no way he makes it through the Big Ten season unscathed last year.

 

 

Dude, I just looked at the film that someone here provided, and he looks like a midget. I dont know what else to tell you. He reminds me visually of JJ Arrington when I looked at his film this time last year. That guy had ONE brilliant college year, and he went to a very similar team in terms of very poor offensive line. Have people in this thread not said Calhoun can NOT run between the tackles? Dunn makes a living doing that.

 

 

And someone just had to go ahead and mention Larry Johnson and how he came from a program with no history of success in the NFL........I normally shy away from those types of guys...........LJ is different. Ive had him on a team for 2 years, the man is a beast and he runs behind the best line in football. There's no reason to draw a parallel between he and Calhoun right now.

[hoffdaddy 1]

Dude, I just looked at the film that someone here provided, and he looks like a midget. I dont know what else to tell you. He reminds me visually of JJ Arrington when I looked at his film this time last year. That guy had ONE brilliant college year, and he went to a very similar team in terms of very poor offensive line. Have people in this thread not said Calhoun can NOT run between the tackles? Dunn makes a living doing that.

 

Time will tell.

 

It's also good to note that Calhoun put up pretty good numbers at Colorado. Check out 137 and 122 rushing yard games against Nebreska and Oklahoma respectively.

 

As a true freshman in 2002, Calhoun saw action in 11 games as a reserve running back and kickoff return specialist. He began the 2003 season as a backup but took over as the starter when Bobby Purifoy suffered a season-ending injury and wound up finishing the season with 810 yards and five touchdowns on 195 carries. He also finished third on the team with 32 catches for 266 yards and a TD

 

This is not a case where a guy did absolutely nothing, then suddenly had one great season.

 

While Detroit's O line does still stink, and that hurts him this season, I find it laughable that he's being written off for his career because of that, especially with a new offense and head coach.

 

I normally shy away from those types of guys...........LJ is different. Ive had him on a team for 2 years, the man is a beast and he runs behind the best line in football. There's no reason to draw a parallel between he and Calhoun right now.

 

I already mentioned it. My point was to evaluate players on their own merits, not on what other running backs did. So, how long ago did you call Johnson's success? Did you know it before he came on the scene? Like when the diaper talk was going on?

 

I also saw video of Calhoun's pro day, and the guy is friggin ripped. I'll see if I can find it online, it was on the local news. I couldn't believe how well put together he looked. I was expecting twig like, but it was quite the opposite.

[hoffdaddy 1]

He looks plenty big, poweful, and fast to me. Maybe I'm just missing it though...

 

http://www.atlantafalcons.com/multimedia/a...Calhoun&s5=

 

http://www.uwbadgers.com/audio_visual/fb/v...6/calhoun21.asx

[kutulu 1,676]

FYI, Arlen Harris is 2nd string.

 

HTH

 

That was just the depth chart from this site...not saying that's what it is or will be.

 

HTH

[kutulu 1,676]

I think everyone is missing the point of this tread. "Calhoun could be a good late round pickup in deep leagues."

 

Got him Friday at 13.09 in a two player keeper league in which most everyone kept two players...call it 15.07 if redrafting from scratch. Guess I'll see if he rises in drafts come August.

[Portis26 0]

he has potential if he can catch the ball in Martz offense and Kevin Jones gets hurt

[SoloMatisse 0]

1- Ive had Larry Johnson on my team for 3 years, which makes me no genius since he went to the Chiefs who were already putting up monster #s.

 

2- Sorry, the guy just looks like a shrimp to me on film........my eyes dont lie, and I know talent and understand basically what it takes to get it done in the league.....there are many factors, and a whole lot of negative ones are at work right here in this case.

 

3- He's playing for the Lions.....thats fairly simple. Have at it and good luck with that.

 

4- I'll tell you who was NOT ripped..........Marshall Faulk. Being ripped is not a factor........there are about 2 in the league who ARENT.

 

Look, at some point its important to step away from the table and remove the 'homer' goggles. I know he's from the motherland and all, but lets try and be objective here.

[Sho Nuff 720]

1- Ive had Larry Johnson on my team for 3 years, which makes me no genius since he went to the Chiefs who were already putting up monster #s.

 

2- Sorry, the guy just looks like a shrimp to me on film........my eyes dont lie, and I know talent and understand basically what it takes to get it done in the league.....there are many factors, and a whole lot of negative ones are at work right here in this case.

 

3- He's playing for the Lions.....thats fairly simple. Have at it and good luck with that.

 

4- I'll tell you who was NOT ripped..........Marshall Faulk. Being ripped is not a factor........there are about 2 in the league who ARENT.

 

Look, at some point its important to step away from the table and remove the 'homer' goggles. I know he's from the motherland and all, but lets try and be objective here.

 

Your eyes don't lie? Yet you said he made a guy who is 20 lbs lighter look like king kong...apparently you need to get your eyes checked.

 

Yes, he is playing for the Lions...Jones put up good numbers down the stretch his rookie year (though it was against some of the worst defenses in the league at the time). But it is a team that is building...with an OC that should be able to utilize Calhoun's talent. Does not mean to look for him much this year...maybe next though.

 

By objective do you mean not using facts and thinking you are still right about a guy?

[SoloMatisse 0]

Your eyes don't lie? Yet you said he made a guy who is 20 lbs lighter look like king kong...apparently you need to get your eyes checked.

 

Yes, he is playing for the Lions...Jones put up good numbers down the stretch his rookie year (though it was against some of the worst defenses in the league at the time). But it is a team that is building...with an OC that should be able to utilize Calhoun's talent. Does not mean to look for him much this year...maybe next though.

 

By objective do you mean not using facts and thinking you are still right about a guy?

 

 

Like I said.....have at it. Take him the 20th round.......you'll have to drop someone in week 3 for that backup TE.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Like I said.....have at it. Take him the 20th round.......you'll have to drop someone in week 3 for that backup TE.

 

Might want to read what I actually said about drafting the guy.

 

Just responding to your foolish attempt at calling him small compared to a guy who is 20 lbs lighter and has had very good success in the NFL.

 

Again...facts are getting in the way of your rant...I am so sorry.

[SoloMatisse 0]

Might want to read what I actually said about drafting the guy.

 

Just responding to your foolish attempt at calling him small compared to a guy who is 20 lbs lighter and has had very good success in the NFL.

 

Again...facts are getting in the way of your rant...I am so sorry.

 

 

Get over the Warrick Dunn comparsion already. Thats an insult to Dunn! The man looks small on film. He looks like a tremendous COLLEGE player. What else can I say?

 

 

 

Sho, look I hear your take about stashing him away on a dynasty team. Waiting a couple years or so for his talent to blosssom. Sounds like a great plan. I wouldnt hate anyone for doing it. But, you can pretty much say that about every single player coming into the NFL, now cant you? Stash away and see what happens, and hope for the best. Why, though? Because of the savior, Mike Martz? Dude, he had one of the 5 greatest RBs of all time at his disposal to focus that O around. AND Isaac Bruce and Holt. I dont see those tools in Detroit, and I dont see Calhoun as a Faulk type. Sorry. Martz is a knucklehead, and he'll be gone in a year.....I guarantee it.

[hoffdaddy 1]

Get over the Warrick Dunn comparsion already. Thats an insult to Dunn! The man looks small on film. He looks like a tremendous COLLEGE player. What else can I say?

Sho, look I hear your take about stashing him away on a dynasty team. Waiting a couple years or so for his talent to blosssom. Sounds like a great plan. I wouldnt hate anyone for doing it. But, you can pretty much say that about every single player coming into the NFL, now cant you? Stash away and see what happens, and hope for the best. Why, though? Because of the savior, Mike Martz? Dude, he had one of the 5 greatest RBs of all time at his disposal to focus that O around. AND Isaac Bruce and Holt. I dont see those tools in Detroit, and I dont see Calhoun as a Faulk type. Sorry. Martz is a knucklehead, and he'll be gone in a year.....I guarantee it.

 

Well, I'd love to hear all of the negatives you see on film.