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Ok..so what round should he be drafted in (on average)? Can he pass as a weak #1 RB or Solid #2?

 

I found this. The Detroit Free Press reports Lions head coach Rod Marinelli has reinforced his dedication to the run. "Pound the rock," he said. "Take your chewing and move on. That snap. That snap. That's what you do, and that's how you live your life, in my opinion."

 

Let's hear it :unsure:

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In a 12 team league (redraft or dynasty) he is going anywhere from late 2nd round to early 3rd. I saw this guy burn ALOT of people last year (thank goodness i wasnt one of them) and i think he will do it again.

 

I would pass him up and go with a wr like Boldin or Holt, I think they are alot safer play.

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I most certainly won't let this peace of crap burn me again. No way would I take him as a #1 RB. However, I would say that he is a strong #2 RB.

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( I started the post) So If I have S.Alexander and Kevin Jones....I have very strong starting duo? I think so. :thumbsup:

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How about weak #2?

 

The Jones hype was crazy last year. Committed to the run, great shape, blither... blither... blither... I heard it all last year and bit hook, line, and sinker.... well, sinker was right. He crushed BOTH of the teams I drafted him. I have the SUnday Ticket and watched almost every single Lions game... that joker couldn't pick up a block to save his life. Plus, he would get hurt on seemingly :rolleyes: every hit. No thanks. I'll pass in '06.

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The obvious problem here is the injury bug and if you have this guy as your number 1 rb you are already in a lot of trouble. As far as taking a wr instead of him or any other rb it all depends on whom is available. If KJ is under the injury bug category you gotta think that a wr like Boldin is as well. Don't target players. Just know enough about them to make an accurate pick when your turn comes up. Who knows a better RB or WR could slip to you. :rolleyes:

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Marinelli says they'll run the ball more but just remember who the offensive coordinator is now in Detroit: Mike Martz. We all know how he liked to run the ball while he was with the Rams.

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I don't think he'll even be the starter the whole year. Brian Calhoun, the rookie out of Wisconsin, is a perfect fit for a Martz offense. He is from the same mould as Marshall Faulk. I'm not saying he is going to put up Marshall Faulk type numbers this year, but I wouldn't be one bit surprized is ends up starting and by next yar becomes a top five pick.....ALL the stars have to line up right for that to happen, but he seems to be a great kid with all the tools to be a phenomenal back in Detroit.....assuming Martz has most of the control of the offense.

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I don't think he'll even be the starter the whole year. Brian Calhoun, the rookie out of Wisconsin, is a perfect fit for a Martz offense. He is from the same mould as Marshall Faulk. I'm not saying he is going to put up Marshall Faulk type numbers this year, but I wouldn't be one bit surprized is ends up starting and by next yar becomes a top five pick.....ALL the stars have to line up right for that to happen, but he seems to be a great kid with all the tools to be a phenomenal back in Detroit.....assuming Martz has most of the control of the offense.

 

:first: Wow now thats some drunk talkin baby... I LOVE IT !!!!!! 54 more days !

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I most certainly won't let this peace of crap burn me again. No way would I take him as a #1 RB. However, I would say that he is a strong #2 RB.
Amen to that- the first part, anyway. He was my 2nd RB last year, taken in the 2nd round. I spent the season starting him, then sitting him, then staring him etc. He never passed up a chance to piss all over me. With James sitting out most or all of my week 16 championship game, I was left standing at the alter.

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( I started the post) So If I have S.Alexander and Kevin Jones....I have very strong starting duo? I think so. <_<

 

I would say you have a very good starting duo. I would say that if you had Alexander and Parker too. I would probably say that with almost anyone you had with Alexander.

 

Considering the Lions had absolutely no passing game last year between Garcia and Harrington taking turns getting knocked out of games and combining to complete less than 50% of the passes thrown to wideouts, their shambles of an offensive line and the fact that Mariucci had lost control of the team, I'm not sure it isn't too early to give up on Jones. If that is the case then apparently Willis McGahee's had it too. He only averaged .2 yards per carry more than Jones and scored the same number of TD's with 139 more carries.

 

I also don't think Martz presence means the Lions won't run the ball. Last time I checked the head coach was a defensive minded type of guy. If you want to piss off a defensive minded type of guy all you need to do is go three and out without taking any time off the clock or throw a couple picks and you'll be successful.

 

The plus with Jones is that he showed as a rookie he could go between the tackles and bounce outside. Parker didn't show as much between the tackles and Lewis (he's the other back in the same draft range I think) did just as poorly as Jones and has more seasons and injuries to count against him.

 

All in all, if it was a RB you wanted and that's why you took Jones then I'd say you made the right move.

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I watched every game last year, if he had any room to run, he would've ran for 1500 yards. The guy is an amazing pure runner, but, he needs some room to run. Last year, he had some of the best 3-4 yard gains i have seen since Barry played. Unfortunently, he could never break the long run. He is one of those 5-8 yard gain guys, with occasional long TD runs, and really powerful guy.

 

Plus, Mooch was a moron and would always take him out during critical times of the game for no reason. If Jones is the full time runner(should be) and gets 300+ carries, he should get at least 1300 yard assuming the line is improved and the passing game breaks out. I would also expect him t have a decent amount of TDs, between 10 and 14.

 

So, i wouldn't draft him as a #1, but, i think he will become a viable #1 guy during the season.

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IMO.....I think Kevin Jones would make a nice RB3..even though the potential is there he has yet to show it on a consistency level. But as for a RB1 or RB2, you will go bald pulling your hair every Sunday afternoon.

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I watched every game last year, if he had any room to run, he would've ran for 1500 yards. The guy is an amazing pure runner, but, he needs some room to run. Last year, he had some of the best 3-4 yard gains i have seen since Barry played. Unfortunently, he could never break the long run. He is one of those 5-8 yard gain guys, with occasional long TD runs, and really powerful guy.

 

Plus, Mooch was a moron and would always take him out during critical times of the game for no reason. If Jones is the full time runner(should be) and gets 300+ carries, he should get at least 1300 yard assuming the line is improved and the passing game breaks out. I would also expect him t have a decent amount of TDs, between 10 and 14.

 

So, i wouldn't draft him as a #1, but, i think he will become a viable #1 guy during the season.

 

 

:blink: i agree with this assessment. he's going to go later than where he will finish at the end of the year in stats IMO.

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I think Jones has alot of talent however the problem here is the O-Line. From what I've seen, The Lions haven't done much to improve this major weakness. Unless this changes I'm afraid it's going to be another disappointing season. :)

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( I started the post) So If I have S.Alexander and Kevin Jones....I have very strong starting duo? I think so. :doublethumbsup:

 

I would take that duo

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:rolleyes:

 

:cry: Wow now thats some drunk talkin baby... I LOVE IT !!!!!! 54 more days !

 

Just merely stating possiblities.....that's all. It's not like Kevin Jones has lit the league up the past few years. Say what you will about his line, quarterback....whatever, look at Dominick Davis, he has no line...average qb....he did quite well. What was Jones' excuse? He's not that good. So is my prediction of Jones crazy...I don't think so. Is Calhoun being a superstar by next year.....loooooong shot, but it's just a possibilty

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from PFW...

 

In addition to being a few pounds lighter and a half-step faster after training in Arizona this offseason, Kevin Jones made notable improvement as a receiver with diligent pass-catching work. Jones wants to be a more well-rounded back and relegate Arlen Harris and rookie Brian Calhoun to limited roles.

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He's not a weak #2.....he's a week 4 or 5....meaning he'll be on the bench by week 4 or 5.

 

Actually....I think if he keeps the starting job he would be an okay #2 in 12-14 team leagues as long as a few things happen:

 

1--He can actually stay healthy.

2--Kitna/McCown/Orvalasky...whoever, Eric Hipple, somebody can be a respected force at QB.

3--They can get a good understanding of Martz system quick enough to really utilize it.

 

I love the Calhoun kid, I think he's a better fit for the offense. None the less, it's Jones' job to lose, so as long as he can put up numbers and they can win ball games I'll assume he'll keep the job. But with Calhoun lingering in the background and Jones' injury history....He's a shaky #2 at best.

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Lions homer here, without the NFL ticket, so I was forced to watch the Lions all of last year. Jones is flat out one of the toughest runners in the league. He makes some of the most impressive 3 yard runs I've seen. Thanks to a shitty OL and his own issues, unfortunately there weren't many longer runs.

 

Jones did not get hurt nearly as much as it seemed. Often, he was pulled for long stretches, or for the 2nd half of games in favor of Pinner and Bryson.

 

Jones was also an immature runner last year. I think he got frustrated and tried to freelance way too much, and was fairly dreadful as a reciever and blocker (hence why he got pulled and benched often) It is also no secret that Mooch loves to use a RBBC, and add to the fact that the whole offense had no focus or direction.

 

From what I've read this offseason, Jones has committed himself to being a more discplined runner (Martz will help that) and has worked hard on his recieving skills.

 

I would not be afraid to have Jones as my #2, and I think he has the potential to develop into a decent #1 if things go as planned with that offense.

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espn insider (i don't subscribe, but a guy posted it on the lions board): kj has slimmed down, muscled up, gained a half-step, and improved his catching skills this offseason (the short version).

 

guess we'll see. that's what the media heads are saying.

 

I think Jones has alot of talent however the problem here is the O-Line. From what I've seen, The Lions haven't done much to improve this major weakness. Unless this changes I'm afraid it's going to be another disappointing season. :banana:

 

1) drafted mutua, scott

2) signed verba, tucker (plus 3 others)

3) hired beightol

 

 

#3 is important, as *some* of the lions perceived line woes were tied to predictable--and assinine--blocking schemes (i.e. isolating raiola one-on-one during goal-line offense...and it gets worse from there).

 

while the lions won't have the best line in the league this year, they'll be more than adequate on the line. i don't see it as a major issue like i do, say, the health of the linebackers. in short, it's an issue that's way overblown. there are certainly worse guard combos in the league than woody and verba, folks. and backus is at least above-average at tackle.

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In our 8-team league, nobody drafted K.Jones! It sucks because I'm a Lions fan, but I don't think they'll run as much as they say they will. Martz was never big on a running-style offense. Plus, I was lucky to scoop up 4 studs that I think will have better numbers than Jones.

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In our 8-team league, nobody drafted K.Jones! It sucks because I'm a Lions fan, but I don't think they'll run as much as they say they will. Martz was never big on a running-style offense. Plus, I was lucky to scoop up 4 studs that I think will have better numbers than Jones.

 

i'd assume all 8 teams have at least 3 rbs...which means about 24 rbs went off the board. i'd be very curious to see anyone's list of 24 rbs that are all ahead of jones.

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I love the Calhoun kid, I think he's a better fit for the offense.

:first: :rolleyes: :banana:

 

Calhoun = Michael Bennett/JJ Arrinton

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The status of Kevin Jones will be determined by just how much control Mad Martz has on this team. Does anyone know who will be calling the plays? If Marinelli allows Mr. Air-it-Out full autonomy, Jones won't be worth too much.

 

Marinelli is a former military guy and I cannot see him giving that much control to a guy who thinks running the ball is a last resort. Martz is already stating Jon Kitna is "the best QB I've ever coached". :lol:

 

The key to Jones will be Marinelli who has a good understanding of the run game.

 

I would say 3rd round is where Jones will land.

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The status of Kevin Jones will be determined by just how much control Mad Martz has on this team. Does anyone know who will be calling the plays? If Marinelli allows Mr. Air-it-Out full autonomy, Jones won't be worth too much.

 

Marinelli is a former military guy and I cannot see him giving that much control to a guy who thinks running the ball is a last resort. Martz is already stating Jon Kitna is "the best QB I've ever coached". :blink:

 

The key to Jones will be Marinelli who has a good understanding of the run game.

 

I would say 3rd round is where Jones will land.

 

martz is calling plays on offense. marinelli, aside from instilling in martz a general personal philosophy, will let martz do what he thinks he has to do to do.

 

i don't see marinelli's desire to want to successfully run the ball as being at odds with martz in the slightest. all teams want to successfully run the ball.

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The status of Kevin Jones will be determined by just how much control Mad Martz has on this team. Does anyone know who will be calling the plays? If Marinelli allows Mr. Air-it-Out full autonomy, Jones won't be worth too much.

 

Marinelli is a former military guy and I cannot see him giving that much control to a guy who thinks running the ball is a last resort. Martz is already stating Jon Kitna is "the best QB I've ever coached". :blink:

 

The key to Jones will be Marinelli who has a good understanding of the run game.

 

I would say 3rd round is where Jones will land.

Marinelli is apparently enamored with Kevin Jones

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:ninja:

 

:argue: Wow now thats some drunk talkin baby... I LOVE IT !!!!!! 54 more days !

 

 

 

Not that drunk , Jones has nt met expectation in the first two years ( he has been very very ordinary )

i dont thimk he deserves to be a lock for a starting job.

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eh, he is my #2 behind Shaun.......so I'm satisfied.

 

Heard you the first time. :first: Was K.J. your second round selection or third? If you could sandwich S.A. and K.J. with a top tier WR that would be quality.

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he didnt go until 5.6 in one of my drafts. these are the guys i picked instead of k.j.

 

2.10 c johnson

3.03 t holt

4.10 c dillon

5.03 d blesoe

 

imo he suxs and so does his team.

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he didnt go until 5.6 in one of my drafts. these are the guys i picked instead of k.j.

 

2.10 c johnson

3.03 t holt

4.10 c dillon

5.03 d blesoe

 

imo he suxs and so does his team.

 

 

taking bledsoe that early is just plain, well...trying to be nice here...um...ridiculous.

 

and while i wouldn't take dillon over jones, that's at least a little more defensible than taking bledsoe in the 5th round. it might have been better here for you to simply say that jones lasted until 5.6 and not given us who you picked instead.

 

just trying to help.

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