Too much love for Arizona

[chrisdoty73 0]

It seems like Arizona's offensive studs are rating very high on many boards. I have seen Warner in the top 10, Edge in the top 6, and Fitz and Boldin in the top 8.

 

We saw these collective rankings on last years Colts team - but give me a break, these are the friggin Cardinals! What other team can put 4 players in the top 10 of their respective positions?

 

I think the presence of Edge and the desire to establish a legit running game brings ALL of these guys down. Many of Fitz/Boldins yards/TDs were in garbage time last year. If AZ stays in a few more games, then the garbage time goes down for Fitz/Boldin.

 

This scenario doesn't pencil for me. I am staying away from AZ players.

[uubeee 0]

It seems like Arizona's offensive studs are rating very high on many boards. I have seen Warner in the top 10, Edge in the top 6, and Fitz and Boldin in the top 8.

 

We saw these collective rankings on last years Colts team - but give me a break, these are the friggin Cardinals! What other team can put 4 players in the top 10 of their respective positions?

 

I think the presence of Edge and the desire to establish a legit running game brings ALL of these guys down. Many of Fitz/Boldins yards/TDs were in garbage time last year. If AZ stays in a few more games, then the garbage time goes down for Fitz/Boldin.

 

This scenario doesn't pencil for me. I am staying away from AZ players.

 

Don't take offense, but you are crazy. If they are, as you say "the friggin Cardinals", they they will be behind most of the game and this throwing to Fitz and Bolden who's past record shows they ARE indeed worthy of top 8 consideration.

 

However, if "the friggin Cardinals" do turn it around, then they are all indeed worthy.

 

HTH

[chrisdoty73 0]

Don't take offense, but you are crazy. If they are, as you say "the friggin Cardinals", they they will be behind most of the game and this throwing to Fitz and Bolden who's past record shows they ARE indeed worthy of top 8 consideration.

 

However, if "the friggin Cardinals" do turn it around, then they are all indeed worthy.

 

HTH

 

 

You missed the point. Their collective rankings do not make sense. A repeat of last year would be great for Fitz/Boldin owners, but how can you put Edge in the mix and expect the same or better numbers for Fitz/Boldin?

[tabris 1]

Upside...

 

The 4 names you mentioned have been studs in the past and each are in a good situation to do so again.

 

The scenarios you said might hold water, but you cannot deny there is big upside on all 4 of those players.

[Striker99 0]

arizona goes 2-14 and sf 3-13

[Parja 0]

If the Arizona front line doesn't improve, they're going to be down in games. If that's the case, Edge is going to have to stay home and pass block and isn't going to be very impressive from a fantasy standpoint.

[tenaciousb 0]

There is no way all 4 of these guys can live up to their fantasy billing. It just doesn't add up. If the Cards want to run it more with Edge, then the passing game suffers. If they still can't run the ball and must throw, then the running game comes up short. These are not the '99 Rams or the Colts of the last 2 or 3 years. Last year the Cards were actually a poor offensive team that scored almost all of their TD's through the air to either Fitz or Bolden. Don't be fooled by the lofty fantasy rankings.

[ElvisMcCoy 0]

No way Arizona wins less than San Fran. AZ will be closer to .500 if not slightly above.

 

*edited to remove unintentional quote*

[Staubach the Great 0]

Their offensive line is the key on everyone else's performance. I will be watching closely if they can give Edge some room to run in the preseason. If they cannot, Fitz, Boldin, Warner and Rackers will have great seasons again. If they can run, Edge will steal some goalline TD's and FG's from the others. They will be a good fantasy team, playing SF and ST Louis twice.

[mdubz 0]

arizona is going to score points, period. and these 4 will be doing the scoring. it may not "pencil" for you, but i love the cardinals offensive this season.

[onejayhawk 3]

Edge is the one to watch. In the past he has put out for a contract, and then sat on it once it was signed. The O-line should be better, but its still a LONG way behind Indy's. Warner, Boldin and Fitz will get theirs, as long as they stay healthy, but Edge may turn pretty normal.

 

J

[shake_a_leg 0]

Their offensive line is the key on everyone else's performance. I will be watching closely if they can give Edge some room to run in the preseason. If they cannot, Fitz, Boldin, Warner and Rackers will have great seasons again. If they can run, Edge will steal some goalline TD's and FG's from the others. They will be a good fantasy team, playing SF and ST Louis twice.

 

This point seems the most valid to me. Edge being there to break the 3rd and 3 only hurts Rackers fantasy value. Solid running attacks only help the passing game open up. Boldin and Fitz could see another 1200yd season each. Warner is going to throw 20 TDs...somebody's gotta catch 'em. Edge was never much of a "TD machine" anyway, so his value shouldn't change too much. Everyone's already got him ranked in the bottom half of the 1st round anyway, so that seems pretty reasonable.

[famousb 11]

There is no way all 4 of these guys can live up to their fantasy billing. It just doesn't add up. If the Cards want to run it more with Edge, then the passing game suffers. If they still can't run the ball and must throw, then the running game comes up short. These are not the '99 Rams or the Colts of the last 2 or 3 years. Last year the Cards were actually a poor offensive team that scored almost all of their TD's through the air to either Fitz or Bolden. Don't be fooled by the lofty fantasy rankings.

uh, first off, Fitz & Boldin scored a combined 17 tds last year - that's not what ranked them both in the top 8 for WRs last year, its cause they both had 100+ catches and just cause Edge is there we shouldn't think that they're pass-catching abilities have diminished.

second point, Edge has never been a td machine. it's always been on lots of carries for good avgs and then adding catchse out of the bacfield.

third point, if you don't think that many guys can have a legit chance of putting up quality #s on a FF team, take a gander at the last team DGreen coached and reference RSmith, CCarter, and RMoss...

last point, if anyone of the guys that are projected to be quality FF players is unrealistic, it's Kurt Warner due to injury history... but then again, he's only projected high because of the historical cumulative passing yds. of his weapons.

 

 

This point seems the most valid to me. Edge being there to break the 3rd and 3 only hurts Rackers fantasy value. Solid running attacks only help the passing game open up. Boldin and Fitz could see another 1200yd season each. Warner is going to throw 20 TDs...somebody's gotta catch 'em. Edge was never much of a "TD machine" anyway, so his value shouldn't change too much. Everyone's already got him ranked in the bottom half of the 1st round anyway, so that seems pretty reasonable.

 

good points, especially about Rackers being the one to suffer...

[kutulu 1,714]

I am happy as fock with Fitz as my number one.

[famousb 11]

I am happy as fock with Fitz as my number one.

now that is good fantasy insight...

[kutulu 1,714]

now that is good fantasy insight...

 

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 42]

It is mathmatically possible that all Cards could have big FF seasons:

 

Fitz 1400/12

Bold 1200/10

Edge 600/3

 

Edge 1200/11

 

Rackers 116 pts

 

Warner 3600/30 extra yds and TD's going to others not listed.

 

Total pts: 476 ave 29.6/game. But, there in lies the problem. Will AZ average ~30 pts a game. I don't think so. So, the question is who does not make the above numbers?

 

My bet is all of them to a certain degree. 3rd and <=3 was a passing down. Now they will try to run with Edge. Don't think it helps Edge with that O line when he is consistantly stuffed and that hurts the WR's 'cuz they didn't toss it. When Green figures that out, it will again become a passing down, hurting Edge. If they have a lead, late in a game, they can't just run Edge like the Colts did again due to the poor O line. Edge gets hurt.

 

Botttom line. Edge gets hurt the most. The biggest winner is probably Warner as Edge will block for him and give him an outlet. Even given that, it is hard to imagine both Fitz and Boldin making those #'s. So, I am staying away from Edge and will likely not have Ftiz or Boldin available to me when I could draft them for what they are worth. Warner will put up #'s, D Green loves to throw.

[adam smitty 0]

I think Edge will have a drop in numbers going into AZ, but hes still mid first round material. Fitz and Boldin are just unstoppable, no matter who is throwing at them.

[Raider 84 29]

I'll take Fitz anyday. It's not like they have a very tough schedule either.

[lguero1 4]

what edge loses in yards he'll make up in TDs. No mungro or rhodes this year. i doubt shipp and arrington are going to be short yardage or gl backs.

 

i don't see warner making it through 5 or 6 games with his injury history. not too many people disagree with warner getting injured this year. a rookie QB, from what my meager mind can recollect, doesn't do too well in the NFL.

 

peyton 3700, 26 TDs (16 games)

eli 1000, 6 TDs (9 games) which might be comparable to leinart's stats

 

i was going to spend an hour looking at rookie QB stats and posting them but i just don't have faith in a rookie QB even though he has these weapons around him. defenses are going to pin their ears back and run through the offensive line like a red bean burrito through an upset stomach. Leinart has the potential to be better than McCown and Navarre has the potential to be head bagger at my local grocery store, but this is the NFL.

 

i think we can all agree that rackers' value is going to take a hit, as for the rest, that is why they play the game.

[Vince44 208]

Fantasy gold on that team at three positions.

 

Warner just isn't a QB to count on and Rackers certainly will not launch those 50+ yard FG's this season as much.

[Natural Lights 0]

I agree that it does not add up from a TD point of view.

 

Warner if healthy will not get more than 25

 

Fitz will get the lions share of the TDs at 11

Boldin will get yards but less TDs at 7

 

Edge gets 3 through the air and 7 on the ground.

 

Still see very solid years, Edge is still a top ten back. One of those WR will not be top ten material however

[JT 137]

James career average is 10.6 rushing TD per 16 games started.

 

I seem to recall he played in a system where they threw the ball a bit and the O-line was pretty lightly regarded for their run blocking.

[Jackson Biggs 0]

arizona is going to score points, period. and these 4 will be doing the scoring. it may not "pencil" for you, but i love the cardinals offensive this season.

 

 

you're offensive

[GiantsFan11 0]

Last year Fitz and Boldin were #3 and #8 WRs and when Warner played is FF PPG were 10th amongst QBs

 

This year from week 12 on the Arizona schedule is a joke as far as defenses and passing yards allowed

 

12 Minn 22nd in passing yards allowed

13 St Lous 23rd in passing yards allowed

14 Seattle 25th in passing yards allowed

15 Denver 29th in passing yards allowed

16 San Francisco 32nd in passing yards allowed

17 San Diego 28th in passing yards allowed

 

When crunch time comes I want AZ, Den and Sea passing game players on my roster

 

Yeah SD, Den and Sea have good defenses they are tough to run on and tough to score on...but what they give up they give up through the air

[djrockstar 0]

IMHO: The Cards feel a little like the Bengals when Carson arrived. Lots of young blood, long history or piss poor performance, but growing expectations. I think the key is Matt Lienart. I think if he can step in and win some games early, maybe surprise someone, then they might be able to put together some confidence for next year. After a poor start I see them going 8-8 or 7-9 and maybe have a crack at the playoffs next year.