Any reason why Rudi Johnson is always listed................

[ppierce 2]

below the likes of Steven Jackson, Lamont Jordan etc? He's the #1 RB on one of the best offenses in the league. He's rushed for 1400 yds 2 years in a row and is good for around 12 td's. Am i missing something? I think if i were in the 7-8-9 slot and he was there i would take him over Jordan and Jackson. What are your thoughts?

[Dr Hook 6]

consistancy(rudi) VS upside/potential (s jax and Lamont )

[Ilov80s 0]

consistancy(rudi) VS upside/potential (s jax and Lamont )

 

I don't think you can really say Lamont Jordan has upside. Does anyone really think he is going to drastically outperform last season? The guy had 1600 yards and 11 TDs in 14 games. I like that Rudi has done it 2 years in a row. But Rudi also has a very talented backup that could steal carries. They are very even IMO. Sjax and Ronnie Brown , now they are strictly potential.

[Jeremy 0]

A lot depends on the scoring system. If your league rewards point for receptions, Rudi's value goes way down. If it rewards heavily for TDs or gives a bonus for 100 yard games, he has more value.

 

Also, a lot of people don't like predictability from their draft choices. They feel a greater sense of accomplishment apparently if they win by correctly guessing on young, "high upside" guys than they do by picking proven performers. These are the guys who will take Ronnie Brown 4th overall and who will make Kevin Jones a late first round pick. You'll never see Rod Smith or Warrick Dunn on their team. In other words they only like "sexy" picks. Every league has at least a couple of them.

[djrockstar 0]

I don't think you can really say Lamont Jordan has upside. Does anyone really think he is going to drastically outperform last season? The guy had 1600 yards and 11 TDs in 14 games. I like that Rudi has done it 2 years in a row. But Rudi also has a very talented backup that could steal carries. They are very even IMO. Sjax and Ronnie Brown , now they are strictly potential.

 

One thing to consider is that Lamont typically only had 16-19 carries a game. He was also only averaging 3.8 yards per carry ... but averaged around 5 when he got 25+ carries. He only had 270 something carries all year. The Raiders defense is terrible and they played from behind most of the season. There's a lot of room in this situation for Lamont to have "upside": if the Raiders can improve on defense and allow themselves to establish a running game, if Shell decides to increase Lamonts workload, AND if Lamont plays a full season. All these things are plausible and I think are reasons why Lamont has "upside". This isn't even taking into account the fact that he led the league in RB receptions at 70 and in a PPR league that's gold. I think he ended up being the fifth best RB in my league last year.

 

Rudi, on the other hand had 60+ more touches and averaged only 4.3 YPC, with about 50 less receptions. I like Rudi and I think that he'll have another nice season but it feels like he has less "upside" in a PPR.

[akareckas 0]

A lot depends on the scoring system. If your league rewards point for receptions, Rudi's value goes way down. If it rewards heavily for TDs or gives a bonus for 100 yard games, he has more value.

 

Also, a lot of people don't like predictability from their draft choices. They feel a greater sense of accomplishment apparently if they win by correctly guessing on young, "high upside" guys than they do by picking proven performers. These are the guys who will take Ronnie Brown 4th overall and who will make Kevin Jones a late first round pick. You'll never see Rod Smith or Warrick Dunn on their team. In other words they only like "sexy" picks. Every league has at least a couple of them.

 

You don't think Warrick Dunn and Rod Smith are sexy?

[Jeremy 0]

One thing to consider is that Lamont typically only had 16-19 carries a game. He was also only averaging 3.8 yards per carry ... but averaged around 5 when he got 25+ carries. He only had 270 something carries all year. The Raiders defense is terrible and they played from behind most of the season. There's a lot of room in this situation for Lamont to have "upside": if the Raiders can improve on defense and allow themselves to establish a running game, if Shell decides to increase Lamonts workload, AND if Lamont plays a full season. All these things are plausible and I think are reasons why Lamont has "upside". This isn't even taking into account the fact that he led the league in RB receptions at 70 and in a PPR league that's gold. I think he ended up being the fifth best RB in my league last year.

 

Rudi, on the other hand had 60+ more touches and averaged only 4.3 YPC, with about 50 less receptions. I like Rudi and I think that he'll have another nice season but it feels like he has less "upside" in a PPR.

 

I've heard that Jordon isn't going to be as involved in the passing game with the new coaching staff. He won't catch 70 balls this year.

[Da Bomb 0]

because he sucks at receiving, and that kills the value he gained in rushing stats. still good, but not elite.

[dilfer 0]

Jackson and Jordan can catch the football - Rudi is basically worthless on 3rd downs and passing situations because of Perry

[Bananarama 0]

You don't think Warrick Dunn and Rod Smith are sexy?

 

[HawgWild 0]

Jackson and Jordan can catch the football - Rudi is basically worthless on 3rd downs and passing situations because of Perry

 

I agree with this...

[mobb_deep 920]

I've heard that Jordon isn't going to be as involved in the passing game with the new coaching staff. He won't catch 70 balls this year.

 

If that o-line plays like it did last year Jordan won't have any choice but to catch 70 passes because Brooks is gonna be on his a$$ half the season.

[shasha 0]

If that o-line plays like it did last year Jordan won't have any choice but to catch 70 passes because Brooks is gonna be on his a$$ half the season.

I have to agree and the early games haven't proven that they have improved at any part of pass protection. The only plus is that Brooks can scramble and keep a play alive better than Collins did.

 

I do think that Shell gets those guys to improve, but the cornerstone there (Gallery) just hasn't lived up to expectations. He is so much slower getting out of his stance and ends up reaching to make a block and is off balance and guys just run through or past him. If he doesn't improve than it is going to be a long season for Brooks and any part of that passing game. This could help us Jordan owners though, last year didn't hurt my feelings one bit.

[miket7 0]

Rudi Johnson comes out on most third downs and clear passing plays.

That leaves a ceiling on his numbers.

 

 

With that said, I would still take him top 10.

[-jb- 0]

the 700 carries in the last two seasons is also alarming.

[MahSoonerz 0]

I am very high on Rudi but have him rated below Jordan and Jackson, mostly for reasons given. Of all these guys, Rudi is the one who I think is most likely to have hit his ceiling. At least it's a pretty high ceiling.

[escobante 0]

the 700 carries in the last two seasons is also alarming.

 

so which is true? his touches are limited because he comes out on third downs and passing situations, or he has a high number of carries which might wear him down?

 

i mean, it can't be both.

[Nichee 0]

I've heard that Jordon isn't going to be as involved in the passing game with the new coaching staff. He won't catch 70 balls this year.

 

I agree with you. Watching the Raiders tonight, there was a play early that would have been a Kerry Collins to Jordan dumpoff a year ago. Instead, it was an 8-yard run by Aaron Brooks.

 

Later, there was another player that I thought "dump off" but instead Brooks backpedaled for like 15 yards and then flung the ball over everybody's head out of bounds.

 

I'm leary.

[De Novo 0]

I agree with you. Watching the Raiders tonight, there was a play early that would have been a Kerry Collins to Jordan dumpoff a year ago. Instead, it was an 8-yard run by Aaron Brooks.

 

Later, there was another player that I thought "dump off" but instead Brooks backpedaled for like 15 yards and then flung the ball over everybody's head out of bounds.

 

I'm leary.

 

That's Aaron Brooks

[aportanenko 0]

below the likes of Steven Jackson, Lamont Jordan etc? He's the #1 RB on one of the best offenses in the league. He's rushed for 1400 yds 2 years in a row and is good for around 12 td's. Am i missing something? I think if i were in the 7-8-9 slot and he was there i would take him over Jordan and Jackson. What are your thoughts?

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i agree with how rudi's picked for 2 reasons:

 

1.other people have mentioned he doesn't catch the ball. he makes bettis look like chris carter

2.Palmer. Nobody knows how he's gonna be this year after the inj, and if he isn't the same that's gonna skew all the bengals stats.