Stephen Davis leaves STL without signing contract

[murf74 461]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/st...6A?OpenDocument

 

Normally media-shy to begin with, Davis left Rams Parks later in the afternoon without speaking to the media. And without signing a contract.

 

The interest in Davis is believed to be more of an attempt to shore up the No. 2 spot rather than a reflection of concern about Steven Jackson's durability. Jackson received an injection in his foot earlier this week to calm down what coach Scott Linehan described as a tendinitis problem in the heel. But Jackson practiced Wednesday.

[famousb 11]

i look for SDavis talks to show up in ATL next now that Duckett is gone...

 

what a whirlwind of rumors, fears, and elation this bored creates...

[kutulu 1,675]

Linehan is really tempting fate....you never bench Davis and here he is not offering a contract.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

I told people in the other thread not to get ahead of themselves by saying Davis was going to sign.

 

If the money is not right, there is no reason for Davis to play. He's getting paid not to play right now.

 

For him to suit up for a team this season, it's gonna take some nice guaranteed money. Plain and simple.

[RLLD 4,207]

Davis is no longer worth the money required to sign him.

 

If you are Stephen Davis you are not going to put your tired old arse out there and take NFl-style abuse, or risk some nasty injury, for anything less than what that risk is worth to you. Additionally, he should call Upshaw and thank him for the union rules that dictate he has to be paid a certain amount since that BS is also a hindrance~but I digress.

 

An NFL team should only play him for his potential value to the organization, that value for someone like Davis will be well below his own perceived value. I dont see him signing.....

[football_scooter 0]

For all those leaping to conclusions, it's worth noting that he was offered a contract, and TSN reports on the radio this morning that he is expected to sign it.

 

Thus this topic is accurate, but somewhat misleading. He left without singing the contract he was offered, as he's considering all of his options.

[PhoenixColts 0]

For all those leaping to conclusions, it's worth noting that he was offered a contract, and TSN reports on the radio this morning that he is expected to sign it.

 

Thus this topic is accurate, but somewhat misleading. He left without singing the contract he was offered, as he's considering all of his options.

 

Yeah, I didn't read the article to say that the deal was off. It didn't say he got on a plane and left St. Louis without signing. When he left their facilities that day, to go have dinner and get a good night's rest, he hadn't yet signed. I'll be watching the wire about this today.

[famousb 11]

Yeah, I didn't read the article to say that the deal was off. It didn't say he got on a plane and left St. Louis without signing. When he left their facilities that day, to go have dinner and get a good night's rest, he hadn't yet signed. I'll be watching the wire about this today.

 

i'm thinking he waits til Saturday to see if he gets an offer from PHI as well - why rush into one contract when you could get competing teams bidding for you...

unless he really feels that STL is the only team that is going to offer him something.

[football_scooter 0]

while it wouldn't mean much from a Philly perspective, as everyone expected someone to come in and take GL carries, if Davis lands in Stl, it's a HUGE blow to people who wasted a 5th overall on SJax.

 

And I've been telling people not to overrate him for months...here's a great reason why. I've not seen anything particularly impressive out of him in 2 seasons, and he's been tentative in GL situations. He dances a lot, then plods to the hole, collapsing on initial contact. Not what I expect out of a big man like him.

 

To those SJax owners looking at the cup as half full, I'll point out that all reports I've read state that the Rams are interested in using Davis in "short yardage and GL situations". Oops.

 

The second that ink is put on paper, I drop SJax out of the 1st round.

 

Picking 10th in the WCOFF, I am not happy to say this, as that's now even less chance that an Edge, Jordan, Brown or Rudi slips to me.

[murf74 461]

while it wouldn't mean much from a Philly perspective, as everyone expected someone to come in and take GL carries, if Davis lands in Stl, it's a HUGE blow to people who wasted a 5th overall on SJax.

 

And I've been telling people not to overrate him for months...here's a great reason why. I've not seen anything particularly impressive out of him in 2 seasons, and he's been tentative in GL situations. He dances a lot, then plods to the hole, collapsing on initial contact. Not what I expect out of a big man like him.

 

To those SJax owners looking at the cup as half full, I'll point out that all reports I've read state that the Rams are interested in using Davis in "short yardage and GL situations". Oops.

 

The second that ink is put on paper, I drop SJax out of the 1st round.

 

Picking 10th in the WCOFF, I am not happy to say this, as that's now even less chance that an Edge, Jordan, Brown or Rudi slips to me.

 

Please show me one report that shows he will be used for goalline, link? Not somebodies opinion, but an actual fact. Everything I have seen is they would want him to be #2 RB. Fisher would be 3rd down back.

 

Sjax does not move out of the first round. Even if Davis signs, he joins Tiki, Portis and Caddy as 1st round RBs who could lose TDs to a goalline back.

 

I will say FFtoday message boards have a real bias agains Sjax for some reason. I visit other boards where Sjax is a lot more highly regarded.

[football_scooter 0]

Please show me one report that shows he will be used for goalline, link? Not somebodies opinion, but an actual fact. Everything I have seen is they would want him to be #2 RB. Fisher would be 3rd down back.

 

Sjax does not move out of the first round. Even if Davis signs, he joins Tiki, Portis and Caddy as 1st round RBs who could lose TDs to a goalline back.

 

I will say FFtoday message boards have a real bias agains Sjax for some reason. I visit other boards where Sjax is a lot more highly regarded.

 

 

Ask (or douchetastically demand) and ye shall receive. No link, as you'd have to join my league, but per Sportsline this morning:

Rams make offer to Stephen Davis

Stephen Davis, RB CAR

 

News: After the Eagles and Redskins had RB Stephen Davis in for physicals, the Rams are the latest team to show interest in the 32-year-old veteran, reports the Charlotte Observer. In fact, the Rams are going to make Davis an offer according to league sources.

 

Analysis: Davis would be a "Bettis"-type of back for the Rams, taking over the short-yardage and goal-line duties. That's a killer for those who own Steven Jackson, however it does add another running back into the player pool. Davis should be regarded as a late-round flier if he signs with St. Louis. He'd be good to own as a backup for Jackson in Fantasy play.

 

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Wow - lookie there, I can use Bold too. Oh, and "pwnd", for the record.

 

There's a very good reason that the more intelligent people on this forum "underrate" SJax - he's not shown an ability to avoid nagging injuries, he's not "broken out" as expected, he runs tentatively, and he crumples like a rag doll at initial contact. And he's looked exactly like this in the preseason too. Why else do you think the Rams want Davis? OBVIOUSLY they lack the confidence in SJax that you have - so either you're smarter and know something that Rams coaching & Mgt don't, or you're off base. Hrmmmmmm...

 

These are not the signs of a top 12 back. You couldn't pay me to draft him in the 1st round.

[famousb 11]

These are not the signs of a top 12 back. You couldn't pay me to draft him in the 1st round.

if it's more than my league fees, you could pay me to draft anyone...

[football_scooter 0]

if it's more than my league fees, you could pay me to draft anyone...

 

ok, I'll concede that point.

[murf74 461]

Ask (or douchetastically demand) and ye shall receive. No link, as you'd have to join my league, but per Sportsline this morning:

Wow - lookie there, I can use Bold too. Oh, and "pwnd", for the record.

 

The TSN report says almost exactly the same, but again - unless you subscribe a link would do you no good.

 

There's a very good reason that the more intelligent people on this forum "underrate" SJax - he's not shown an ability to avoid nagging injuries, he's not "broken out" as expected, he runs tentatively, and he crumples like a rag doll at initial contact. And he's looked exactly like this in the preseason too. Why else do you think the Rams want Davis? OBVIOUSLY they lack the confidence in SJax that you have - so either you're smarter and know something that Rams coaching & Mgt don't, or you're off base. Hrmmmmmm...

 

These are not the signs of a top 12 back. You couldn't pay me to draft him in the 1st round.

 

Dude, you just posted exactly what I thought you would post.......somebodies OPINION. Nice try though. Come back when you got some real news. Not some losers "analysis", I mean you don't even know who wrote that. Nice source.

[football_scooter 0]

Dude, you just posted exactly what I thought you would post.......somebodies OPINION. Nice try though. Come back when you got some real news. Not some losers "analysis", I mean you don't even know who wrote that. Nice source.

 

hey numbnuts: everything is someone's OPINION.

 

You asked where I'd heard the information that Davis would be a GL back, and I gave you two sources - The Sporting News and CBS Sportsline.

 

Both sources are very reliable in reporting factual information. No one knows exactly what the team will do because (and think hard here) Davis isn't on the team yet.

 

And just a tip moron, you are here stating YOUR OPINION about this - and you expect me to take you at your opinion that SJax will get GL carries and Davis will be the #2 RB over TSN & CBS, who employ people who actually have access to NFL insiders? Now why in the world would I possibly do that?

 

When you're done trying to sound smarter than everyone, perhaps you can focus that big brain of yours internally and try not to act like such a douche.

 

The FACTS are simple:

Jackson hasn't done squat in Stl to show that he can be effective in the red zone.

 

He is nursing a heel injury - yet another potentially nagging injury like the ones that have hampered him the last 2 years.

 

His status is murky enough that Stl brought in Steven Davis and offered him a contract: It's a hint that they didn't do this as a vote of confidence in SJax.

 

Now, I'm certain you'll come back at me with your OPINION, to "prove" that what I've reported is untrue. Irony: catch it.

[remote controller 143]

Whether Davis signs or not, isn't the issue here. They already brought in Moe. This basically tells me they are looking for alternatives to SJax at the payline. I'm bumped SJax down a few weeks ago, and this only reinforces my decision to do so. I had bumped him down before the heal tendonitus.

[football_scooter 0]

Whether Davis signs or not, isn't the issue here. They already brought in Moe. This basically tells me they are looking for alternatives to SJax at the payline. I'm bumped SJax down a few weeks ago, and this only reinforces my decision to do so. I had bumped him down before the heal tendonitus.

 

Exactly. The Rams done everything but put up a billboard in downtown Stl saying that they have zero confidence in SJax in the red zone.

 

And the way he crumples on contact, I don't expect many long TDs.

 

I have Warrick Dunn ahead of him on my cheat sheet right now.

[VaTerp 0]

Exactly. The Rams done everything but put up a billboard in downtown Stl saying that they have zero confidence in SJax in the red zone.

 

And the way he crumples on contact, I don't expect many long TDs.

 

I have Warrick Dunn ahead of him on my cheat sheet right now.

 

Wow! So b/c Linehan brings in a versatile Rb who knows his system in Williams and is thinking about signing a backup to shore up their RB situation equates to having zero confidence in S-Jax.

 

And you Dunn will finish the year ahead of him. Not ridiculous but very unlikely IMO.

[murf74 461]

hey numbnuts:.

 

And just a tip moron

 

act like such a douche.

 

 

Calm down guy, you having a bad day or something? You may have me confused with someone else that you have had it out with? Why the hatred?

 

By the way, Sjax scored 7 of his 8 TDs from 7 yards or less. Doesn't sound like has that much of a problem around the goalline.

[cblaze 0]

Calm down guy, you having a bad day or something? You may have me confused with someone else that you have had it out with? Why the hatred?

 

By the way, Sjax scored 7 of his 8 TDs from 7 yards or less. Doesn't sound like has that much of a problem around the goalline.

 

 

WIth all of this news - Does anyone have an opinion....

 

Jax or Brown?

[Sportslitter 0]

My buddy just called and said that Davis signed with the rams.

 

Anyone have any new info?

[cblaze 0]

My buddy just called and said that Davis signed with the rams.

 

Anyone have any new info?

 

Is this true...

[PhoenixColts 0]

Is this true...

 

I can't find anything. Searching everywhere. Some of these so-called "fantasy news" sites have the Lelie/Duckett trade as their Breaking News.

[football_scooter 0]

Calm down guy, you having a bad day or something? You may have me confused with someone else that you have had it out with? Why the hatred?

 

By the way, Sjax scored 7 of his 8 TDs from 7 yards or less. Doesn't sound like has that much of a problem around the goalline.

Don't want me to talk to you like that, then don't come at me like a douche. It's that simple. Or did someone else write:

Come back when you got some real news. Not some losers "analysis", I mean you don't even know who wrote that. Nice source.

 

No, no - that was you, the douche.

 

I don't have you confused with anyone - I'm taking your hypercritical postings at face value. Call me out for links, then jump on me because they're people's "opinions"? Pretty douchetastic there. Come at me correctly and we'll get along great.

 

As for SJax, he's also fumbled in the red zone several times and failed to punch it in as well. Perhaps you ought to post all his red zone carries if you intend on trying to make a point with any semblance of validity. Of course, that was just your "opinion", right?

[2bmayhem 1]

Is this true...

 

I set up a yahoo news alert for "stephen davis rams" via email. If anything pops up in the next day, I'll post a link.

 

[football_scooter 0]

Wow! So b/c Linehan brings in a versatile Rb who knows his system in Williams and is thinking about signing a backup to shore up their RB situation equates to having zero confidence in S-Jax.

 

And you Dunn will finish the year ahead of him. Not ridiculous but very unlikely IMO.

 

Moe Williams is not what I'd consider the most versitile back at this stage of his career.

 

When moe was brought in, it was said to "shore up the RB situation"....and was not considered a threat to a healthy SJax, a power back. However, bringing in a power back like Steven Davis would probably be something for SJax owners to be concerned about. Especially with SJax now nursing a foot injury. So while the MWilliams news sounded like an investment in depth, IMO the Davis move reads as reactionary to the SJax foot injury news - which is not a good thing.

 

As for Dunn, with Duckett gone, he might be on the same track as FWParker, in seeing more red zone opportunity.

 

I've never been on the SJax bandwagon and I remain unimpressed. Perhaps he'll finally do something this year after 2 years of hype to deserve the man love he deserves...time will tell, and I'll be the 1st to admit I'm wrong when he shows me something.

[mikeod11 0]

I am starting to regret taking Jackson with the 6th pick between this and the injury issues. Does anyone have any idea if Davis would be effective if they did get him? His performance last year wasn't exactly stellar and he hasnt gotten any younger.

[tampa_fan_01 0]

I am starting to regret taking Jackson with the 6th pick between this and the injury issues. Does anyone have any idea if Davis would be effective if they did get him? His performance last year wasn't exactly stellar and he hasnt gotten any younger.

 

Now lets all cool down just a second. Its the preseason, and we all are so excited that we are second, third, and fourth guessing ourselves. Now, I am a S Jax fan, and I have him slotted above Portis at #5 right now, although I am done drafting and I dont update my cheat sheets with the whole Barlow and Dunn thing. But I expect a good year from S Jax. And here is why:

 

1. Lets talk about the goal line carries. Last year, Mike Martz would throw the ball 40 times a game, and Jax wouldnt even get consistant carries. He was still platooning with Faulk, so that hurt his value even more. When you have a pass first, pass second, and pass third offense, how often do you think goal line work was done in practice? I would be willing to bet not at all. A team that doesnt practice those situations, and use them regularly, will not be good in those positions. Enter Linehan, who will make getting Jax his carries a priority, and using him at the goal line would be ideal because of his size.

 

2. The S Davis signing *if its happened* who wouldnt want a beast at the goal line? If Jax is limited because of this injury bug, why not have someone to take some heat off him in the early season? Wouldnt you want your stud healthy? I'd say yes. Even if Davis vultures a few TDs, he can still be an 8-10 td guy. With 1200+ yards, I'd say thats more than enough to put him at 7 or 8 at Rb, which puts him in the first round.

 

3. Fumbles! OH NOES! Didn't Tiki learn to stop dropping the rock? That is a skill you can work on, and we will see if he can not get the butterfingers this year. I seem to remember Eddie George dropping a few in college and early in his career, and he was one of the most sure handed backs in recent memory...

 

So, in summary, there is alot of good things to like about SJax. I have him under Tiki, above Portis, Ronnie Brown, Carnell, and Dunn right now. If Davis signs, I'd still have him above Portis, but I may have Brown ahead of him, but that would be it.

 

<--because I like them

 

FLAME ON!

[WoodDuck2003 0]

Man football scooter did not take much to get you riled up. You act as if Sporting News and CBS Sportsline are the bible to fantasy football. They are writers who have opinions like the rest of us. These are the same guys who told us how great many players are going to be only to have them fall flat on their faces.

 

They say that about S.Davis b/c that is what he did in Carolina with a dinged up and fragile Foster sometimes. The fact is that STL only has one true backup to S.Jackson and if Jackson goes down who knows if Fisher can handle the load.

 

So since we are all posting or expressing opions here is mine. He is backup to Jackson not a guy they will bring in regardless of the situation anytime STL gets a goaline opportunity like Bettis.

 

Again, JMO

[nicewolf64 0]

Has a thread ever gone more than 5 posts before the insults start flying? I love the info on this site but sometimes it reminds me of working in an office full of women. (anyone whos ever worked in one knows all they do is snip at each other behind backs)

 

 

Bananas need no reason..................

[What is the deal? 1]

For what it's worth SJax went full go yesterday

 

A minor heal injury does not cause me to drop Jackson down at all. He'll be fine. The only problem w/ Jackson is getting him the carries which depends on the Rams D keeping games close. If SJax gets 20 carries a game, he'll average 80-90 yards a game and rush for around 1400 yards

 

My questions to scooter:

 

How many times did you actually watch Jackson at the goalline last year?

 

How is some dopes' opinion from TSN and CBS any more credible than anyone elses? If Linehan starts saying he's got a great goalline back, then I'll be concerned.

[football_scooter 0]

Man football scooter did not take much to get you riled up. You act as if Sporting News and CBS Sportsline are the bible to fantasy football. They are writers who have opinions like the rest of us. These are the same guys who told us how great many players are going to be only to have them fall flat on their faces.

 

Not hardly - they are as fallable as anyone. But when some pinhead comes down on me like a ton of bricks first for posting something I'd read, then for belittling the sources I provided when he demanded I provide them, then I am going to respond harshly.

 

Everyone has their opinions - me, Sporting News, CBS, and murf74...and who knows what's correct or not. But making it personal and acting like a d!ck to someone for posting something they'd read is lame.

 

Now, you wanna get in my face too? You and murf74 should go bowling.

[murf74 461]

For what it's worth SJax went full go yesterday

 

A minor heal injury does not cause me to drop Jackson down at all. He'll be fine. The only problem w/ Jackson is getting him the carries which depends on the Rams D keeping games close. If SJax gets 20 carries a game, he'll average 80-90 yards a game and rush for around 1400 yards

 

My questions to scooter:

 

How many times did you actually watch Jackson at the goalline last year?

 

How is some dopes' opinion from TSN and CBS any more credible than anyone elses? If Linehan starts saying he's got a great goalline back, then I'll be concerned.

 

Thank you, great post

 

Does anyone remember a couple years ago CBS Sportsline reported Clinton Portis was out for the year? It was an internet prank and CBS posted it as news.

[football_scooter 0]

Thank you, great post

 

Does anyone remember a couple years ago CBS Sportsline reported Clinton Portis was out for the year? It was an internet prank and CBS posted it as news.

For the record, I never said it was true - I just reported what was said, and added that IMO, SJax has done nothing to support his lofty draft position.

 

And it's my opinion that with a GL vulture, SJax is even less valuable.

 

And like TSN, CBS and that jackhole murf74, I am entitiled to that opinion. Once again: it's not that murf74 disagreed with me that I object to, it's the manner in which he did so. I treat people as I am treated.

[devildog 0]

Jackson is about the most overrated RB out there. He looks like he should be a good NFL RB........too bad he isn't.

[What is the deal? 1]

Jackson is about the most overrated RB out there. He looks like he should be a good NFL RB........too bad he isn't.

have you watched film on him? I watched a lot of his games last year and when the Rams went thru that winning streak and rode him, he was tearing it up. He consistently made the 1st guy miss. The guy is a beast, but was in the wrong offense. He's not going to be effective running draws and misdirections out of a one back 3 wide set...it frustrated me seeing Martz use him improperly

[football_scooter 0]

For what it's worth SJax went full go yesterday

My questions to scooter:

 

How many times did you actually watch Jackson at the goalline last year?

 

Several. And none were pretty. Once he took in a 5 yd TD that I witnesses and he looked tentative doing it. He was untouched, which likely explains why he made it over the stripe - though I admit I was a little shocked he didn't fall down upon contact with it. But my opinion on his red zone carries is irrelevant.

 

My question to you:

 

Why is your question about my opinion of his red zone ability relevant in the slightest in the context of this discussion?

 

Far better to simply post SJax GL carries, and the subsequent results for evaluation. Was he able to punch it in 20%? 40%? 60% 80%? How many times did he fumbleiah?

 

 

More to the point of this discussion:

 

What would happen to SJAx value IF SDavis signs and vultures SJax red zone touches? Would his value increase ya think?

 

Still further worth asking: what has SJax done in the NFL to warrant a 5th or 6th overall selection? Nagging injuries, tentative run style and few yards after contact have me convinced that he's fool's gold. Not to mention that the Rams are hardly the same offensive juggernaught that they were when Marshal was the man, and everyone was slobbing the rookie SJax nuts as the "heir apparent" in that high powered offense. Now they're dealing with Bulger's shoulder, an aging Bruce, an O-Line that is nowhere near as good (IMO) and a defense that's a lot weaker.

 

answer those questions and we might collectively determine what SJax value actually is. I have my opinions on the guy, and they're not favorable. Y'all seem to be so high on the hype that you attack anyojne who doesn't agree with you.

 

Good luck with that.

[murf74 461]

For the record, I never said it was true - I just reported what was said, and added that IMO, SJax has done nothing to support his lofty draft position.

 

And it's my opinion that with a GL vulture, SJax is even less valuable.

 

And like TSN, CBS and that jackhole murf74, I am entitiled to that opinion. Once again: it's not that murf74 disagreed with me that I object to, it's the manner in which he did so. I treat people as I am treated.

 

You overreacted, that's what you did. Anybody reading our back and forth comments can see that. Actually you just overreacted to that guy above me too.

[football_scooter 0]

Jackson is about the most overrated RB out there. He looks like he should be a good NFL RB........too bad he isn't.

 

Amen.

 

You overreacted, that's what you did. Anybody reading our back and forth comments can see that.

 

No, I just gave you what you gave me. Maybe I was stronger to make the point. I didn't appreciate your antagonistic style, so I antagonized you in return. Get over it and admit you were a douche....or just keep on being one...your call.

 

Actually you just overreacted to that guy above me too.

 

No, I responded appropriately. Keep antagonizing though - it suits you.

[devildog 0]

have you watched film on him? I watched a lot of his games last year and when the Rams went thru that winning streak and rode him, he was tearing it up. He consistently made the 1st guy miss. The guy is a beast, but was in the wrong offense. He's not going to be effective running draws and misdirections out of a one back 3 wide set...it frustrated me seeing Martz use him improperly

Yes, I saw almost every Rams game last year. And Martz wasn't the coach for most of the season. Reason he wasn't used more was because he wasn't going anywhere on the carries he did get or the Rams fell way behind. Don't know what winning streak you're referring to either. Rams didn't win more than two games in a row all season.