Lamont Jordan

[Leonard Henry -2 Yds 0]

About 2 months ago some Raider homer posted some valuable information about Lamont Jordan and catching passes. HE'S NOT GOOD AT IT. Apparently the reason Lamont caught so many passes last year is because of the former offensive coordinator who left for SanFran this year. I don't really buy the buzz on Lamont this year, but once I heard this and saw that even "Yahoo Fantasy Experts" failed to analyze this fact, I think people should be notified.

[bonkbonk 5]

40 min

 

60 max

 

in ppr he gets moved up

[t.j 35]

40 min

 

60 max

 

in ppr he gets moved up

 

I think the minimum is definitely lower than 40. He does have bad hands, and the new coaches/QB don't seem to be looking for him in the passing game, probably for a variety of reasons.

FWIW, in four preseason games, he has 33 carries (about 1½ games worth) and only 1 reception. IMO, he'll do better in non-PPR leagues than in PPR leagues this year.

[Kilroy 0]

You don't catch 70 passes as a RB if you have bad hands.

[football_scooter 0]

you people are high on crack. 14 70 563 2 TDs - Yeah, he sucks at catching the ball. 70 receptions in 14 games. Brooks won't use him as a dump off at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Deuce McAllister caught 69 balls out of the backfield in 2003 with Brooks at QB

[t.j 35]

You don't catch 70 passes as a RB if you have bad hands.

 

Dude, he dropped 22. 22 drops to 70 catches is bad hands. Trust me, I watched every game, he dropped way too many easy balls.

[ravenmad22 0]

I agree, his hands are not the best I've seen. But he got tremendous opportunities in the passing game last season. Let's see if that continues with Brooks... it's possible he catches 60+ this season. I think his YPC will still be pretty bad because of that ridiculously bad OL. But Shell is supposedly a run oriented coach. Lamont will get all the goal line touches. He still fits the bill as a mid tier RB1.

 

Notable RB's I prefer Jordan to:

Edge

Caddy

S Jax

 

Notable RB's I prefer over Jordan (non-obvious ones)

Rudi

Ronnie Brown

[Leonard Henry -2 Yds 0]

offensive coordinators obviously have no impact on the offense, so I'll agree with people who say he's a good pass catcher and will catch as many passes as brian westbrook.

[djrockstar 0]

This feels like an interesting sig bet. I might be willing to take the over on 45.

 

FYI ... Jordan was TARGETED 103 times last year and CAUGHT 70. That catch percentage is better than Westbrook and LT and far surpasses almost every WR's catch percentage.

[bonkbonk 5]

lol he could have had 90+ catches then with all those drops

 

RB who can catch

 

and is not a DD westbrook

 

gold

[Leonard Henry -2 Yds 0]

OFFENSIVE COODINATOR

[mattcoz 3]

OFFENSIVE COODINATOR

LOUD NOISES

[Nichee 0]

I don't think he'll come near 70 receptions.

 

Watching Lamont with Collins last year and watching Brooks so far this year, I think the whole dynamic has changed.

 

There comes that moment in a passing play when a QB has to make a decision. For Collins, it was dump it to Jordan.

 

So far in preseason, we haven't see that with Brooks. It's been either backpedal (God knows why), get out of the pocket and look for a WR downfield or on a few occasions run, something Collins would do as a last, last resort.

 

I also think Jordan's big receptions total last year was more a product of the system than his hands or by design.

 

I look for a dropoff to the 30-50 range. He'll get that just because he's one of the few every-down backs.

[kutulu 1,676]

It's been either backpedal (God knows why), get out of the pocket and look for a WR downfield or on a few occasions run, something Collins would do as a last, last resort.

 

You forgot throw the ball backwards to no one.

[ricanrockers 39]

I think the minimum is definitely lower than 40. He does have bad hands, and the new coaches/QB don't seem to be looking for him in the passing game, probably for a variety of reasons.

FWIW, in four preseason games, he has 33 carries (about 1½ games worth) and only 1 reception. IMO, he'll do better in non-PPR leagues than in PPR leagues this year.

 

 

how bad can his hands be...the guy caught 70 passes last year.

 

He probably won't come close to 70rec but 48-50rec could be reasonable. (average of 3 catches per game)

 

you people are high on crack. 14 70 563 2 TDs - Yeah, he sucks at catching the ball. 70 receptions in 14 games. Brooks won't use him as a dump off at all.

Deuce McAllister caught 69 balls out of the backfield in 2003 with Brooks at QB

 

Thank you

 

[Leonard Henry -2 Yds 0]

Maybe you need to re-read the thread. He had 22 drops last year.

[FantasyKing 4]

LOUD NOISES

 

 

LMFAO

 

Nice

[OuttaLuck 0]

Dude, he dropped 22. 22 drops to 70 catches is bad hands. Trust me, I watched every game, he dropped way too many easy balls.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as fantasy football, don't we care more about the balls he DID catch than the ones he didn't? He was number 6 under my league's scoring rules last year, based in part on the passes he caught--I'd say that's pretty good. He helped me win my league last year, despite the fact he was on the bench in the Super Bowl.

[ravenmad22 0]

I think the point of the thread is:

 

New QB, new head coach, a healthy Moss... Jordan might not get as many targets as last year. And with his penchant for dropping balls, Brooks might not have the same confidence in him that Collins did.

 

It's all speculation, but I wouldn't necessarily count on 90+ targets again this season.

[itsbigmoni 1]

uhm, yeah - which means he was targeted 92 times.

 

IDIOT!

 

 

You're right. QB's never over/under throw passes. DB never bat balls down.

[Leonard Henry -2 Yds 0]

This is unbelievable. Are you people just glossing over the content of this thread or what? They lost the offensive coordinator. Do you think the new coaching staff is stupid enough to simply look at last year's stats and say "Yep, 70 catches, lets keep throwing it to him" or do you think they'll actually review game footage to determine his strengths and weaknesses? Raiders homers watched him play, and he was not a "good pass catcher." This is a new offensive scheme, I reiterate, a new offensive coaching staff. You know? Like Mike Martz type stuff? New offensive gameplan, ring any bells?

 

I guess I should also reiterate what the other gentleman mentioned. He's caught one pass this preseason.

[djrockstar 0]

This is unbelievable. Are you people just glossing over the content of this thread or what? They lost the offensive coordinator. Do you think the new coaching staff is stupid enough to simply look at last year's stats and say "Yep, 70 catches, lets keep throwing it to him" or do you think they'll actually review game footage to determine his strengths and weaknesses? Raiders homers watched him play, and he was not a "good pass catcher." This is a new offensive scheme, I reiterate, a new offensive coaching staff. You know? Like Mike Martz type stuff? New offensive gameplan, ring any bells?

 

I guess I should also reiterate what the other gentleman mentioned. He's caught one pass this preseason.

 

Dude, Leonard, we heard you the first two times. We just don't agree. Take a chill.

[Cowboy918 0]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as fantasy football, don't we care more about the balls he DID catch than the ones he didn't? He was number 6 under my league's scoring rules last year, based in part on the passes he caught--I'd say that's pretty good. He helped me win my league last year, despite the fact he was on the bench in the Super Bowl.

 

Thats kinda what I was thinking. I really don't care how many passes he dropped. If the guy caught 70 and was targeted 100+ im sold. Good hands or he should be just fine in the passing game this year. Brooks is in the AFC West where Derrick Johnsons, Shawn Merriman and Al Wilson will quickly discourage his running around and make him realize that dumping it off to that back is a good thing.

[boknows 0]

You don't catch 70 passes as a RB if you have bad hands.

 

Moron he almost did the job as 2 players a Hb and Wr.

[jwvdcw 0]

Dude, Leonard, we heard you the first two times. We just don't agree. Take a chill.

The problem is that those who are disagreeing aren't really listening to him. If those who disagree said "I have watched him play and I disagree that hes bad at catching" or "I have read some inside reports and the Raiders do intend to keep throwing to him" then that'd be a good rebuttal. But your guys entire argument seems to be "Well he caught a lot last year so he must be decent at catching the ball." This argument totally overlooks the OP's point that he only caught a lot due to the system(which has changed!) last year.

[whoisjgalt 0]

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Don't waste your time arguing with stupid people. You're right, they aren't. Just move along now.

[football_scooter 0]

This is unbelievable. Are you people just glossing over the content of this thread or what? They lost the offensive coordinator. Do you think the new coaching staff is stupid enough to simply look at last year's stats and say "Yep, 70 catches, lets keep throwing it to him" or do you think they'll actually review game footage to determine his strengths and weaknesses? Raiders homers watched him play, and he was not a "good pass catcher." This is a new offensive scheme, I reiterate, a new offensive coaching staff. You know? Like Mike Martz type stuff? New offensive gameplan, ring any bells?

 

I guess I should also reiterate what the other gentleman mentioned. He's caught one pass this preseason.

 

This is unbelievable...are you suggesting that Norv Turner, one of the most competent offensive minds in the game somehow stubbornly kept throwing the ball to a guy with bad hands?

 

I'm sorry, but it sounds like that idiocy is what you're saying.

 

Man, first someone makes me defend the Rams, now Raiders - what a day.

 

The fact is that Jordan is an above average receiver. Brooks is a QB who develops chemistry with his RB and has an average line protecting him.

 

While there will be some passes to Jordan, and maybe a screen or 3, it's not going to be by design that Jordan gets his receptions - Brooks will be using he and Courtney Anderson as dump offs when the pass rush breaks through.

 

Watch some football, then come talk to me. But repeating that the OC is gone and that somehow they now won't throw to a RB who's excelled in the receiving game is sheer idiocy and frankly I'm sick of it.

[t.j 35]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as fantasy football, don't we care more about the balls he DID catch than the ones he didn't? He was number 6 under my league's scoring rules last year, based in part on the passes he caught--I'd say that's pretty good. He helped me win my league last year, despite the fact he was on the bench in the Super Bowl.

 

That's nice that he helped you last year. The question is what is he going to do this year. New coach, new coordinator, new QB... showing no propensity so far to throw him the ball. And based on his drops they don't have a good reason to feature him as a receiving target.

[djrockstar 0]

The problem is that those who are disagreeing aren't really listening to him. If those who disagree said "I have watched him play and I disagree that hes bad at catching" or "I have read some inside reports and the Raiders do intend to keep throwing to him" then that'd be a good rebuttal. But your guys entire argument seems to be "Well he caught a lot last year so he must be decent at catching the ball." This argument totally overlooks the OP's point that he only caught a lot due to the system(which has changed!) last year.

 

OK. I understand. So, here goes: I've watched Lamont play. To say he has bad hands is incorrect. Stastically he was the 2nd best featured RB in terms of percentage only behind Tiki - but ahead of LT and Westbrook who are considered to have "great hands". Despite Leonards claims, I don't think Lamont "caught so many passes because of his offense coordinator last year". I didn't see Jimmy Raye (now with the Jets not the 49ers as their RB coach incidentally) catching balls for Lamont and then handing them to him. If Lamont Jordan has bad hands then so does LT, Westbrook, Derrick Mason and Hines Ward.

 

I agree that a change in offensive coordinator or head coach can result in a strategy change. I agree that he only caught one ball this pre-season. I agree that Tom Walsh's last job was running a bed-and-breakfast which does not instill a lot of confidence in me. I also agree that Shell has said he plans to stick with the play calling strategy he used a million years ago which might indicate less passes to his RB.

 

However, Brooks and Deuce connected on an awful lot of passes in NO. Preseason games are rarely a good indicator of regular season coaching strategy. And dump off passes to your RB are often a sign of duress (due to a crappy O-line) and not always the first option. I think the Raiders O-line continues to stink and Lamont is going to get a lot of looks from his QB because of pressure.

 

I think a smart offensive coordinator is going to use the weapons he has and Lamont's receiving capabilities are obvious. Just like LT's drop-off from 100 catches to 50 a few years ago I think Lamont is not likely to catch 70 again.

 

But to say he has "bad hands" is silly. He'll catch 45+. That's still top of the pile in the NFL for a featured running back.

[t.j 35]

This is unbelievable...are you suggesting that Norv Turner, one of the most competent offensive minds in the game somehow stubbornly kept throwing the ball to a guy with bad hands?

 

I'm sorry, but it sounds like that idiocy is what you're saying.

 

It would be idiocy to suggest that Turner kept throwing the ball to Jordan. Because Turner is a coach, not a quarterback. It's Collins who kept throwing him the ball.

 

Watch some football, then come talk to me. But repeating that the OC is gone and that somehow they now won't throw to a RB who's excelled in the receiving game is sheer idiocy and frankly I'm sick of it.

 

I realize this comment of yours was directed at Leonard Henry. But, I watched every focking game last year, and I can tell you with great certainty that saying Jordan "excelled in the receiving game" is what really is sheer idiocy.

 

OK. I understand. So, here goes: I've watched Lamont play. To say he has bad hands is incorrect. Stastically he was the 2nd best featured RB in terms of percentage only behind Tiki - but ahead of LT and Westbrook who are considered to have "great hands".

 

Dude, if you have a statistic that compares Jordan favorably to Westbrook in terms of receiving, then you have yourself a statistic that is utterly worthless in terms of evaluating their skill. The two guys are not even in the same ballpark. Remember Westbrook's TD in the Super Bowl? Basically a slant pattern in heavy traffic? The passes that were thrown Jordan's way were not anything like that. Brian Westbrook, as Marshall Faulk did, gets downfield and runs a lot of patterns similar to a WR. Pretty much everything they threw to Jordan was uncovered in the flats. Very easy completions and yet he managed to doink a lot of them right off his hands. And I'm not saying he dropped a lot of easy balls because his statistics suggest it... I'm saying he dropped a lot of easy balls because I watched him drop a lot of easy balls.

[Leonard Henry -2 Yds 0]

I really wish the naysayers in this debate brought up any valid arguments. I wanted this thread to be a debate, but all I keep hearing is skewed history behind Aaron Brooks - most likely the worst quarterback in the NFL - and a runningback that started one season under a different OC, QB, and an injured Randy Moss who could easily take 50+ targets away from any player on the field last year if he's healthy. Wait, though, MORON! Jordan caught 70 balls last year! No WAY he's not a pass catching fiend.

 

I dont own Lamont in any of the three leagues I've already drafted in this year. I didn't pass on Lamont in any of the three leagues either. I'm trying to debate, and I'd be polite about it but no naysayer has given any promising info about the pass catching Lamont continuing his one year trend. He's got so much against him matching that trend, and he'll lose thousands of dollars across the country if he puts forth a 30 catch year.

 

By the way, I told my friend about your quote, Football Scooter..."Norv Turner, one of the most competent offensive minds in the game" and he started laughing out loud.

 

I do take it back though. One guy actually offered more negatives than anyone including myself in this thread about the pass catching propensity of Lamont, but based his rebuttal entirely on Aaron Brooks rapport with runningbacks in the passing game. I don't even want to argue with it because this thread is already tainted with bitterness, and I've already been called a "moron" and an "idiot" a couple times, so I'll try to let someone else take the wheel.

 

t.j. you rule.

[Leonard Henry -2 Yds 0]

It would be idiocy to suggest that Turner kept throwing the ball to Jordan. Because Turner is a coach, not a quarterback. It's Collins who kept throwing him the ball.

I realize this comment of yours was directed at Leonard Henry. But, I watched every focking game last year, and I can tell you with great certainty that saying Jordan "excelled in the receiving game" is what really is sheer idiocy.

Dude, if you have a statistic that compares Jordan favorably to Westbrook in terms of receiving, then you have yourself a statistic that is utterly worthless in terms of evaluating their skill. The two guys are not even in the same ballpark. Remember Westbrook's TD in the Super Bowl? Basically a slant pattern in heavy traffic? The passes that were thrown Jordan's way were not anything like that. Brian Westbrook, as Marshall Faulk did, gets downfield and runs a lot of patterns similar to a WR. Pretty much everything they threw to Jordan was uncovered in the flats. Very easy completions and yet he managed to doink a lot of them right off his hands. And I'm not saying he dropped a lot of easy balls because his statistics suggest it... I'm saying he dropped a lot of easy balls because I watched him drop a lot of easy balls.

Also, I'll go ahead and kiss some fanny here, because the ownage of this post deserves attention

[bobbyld332 0]

It would be idiocy to suggest that Turner kept throwing the ball to Jordan. Because Turner is a coach, not a quarterback. It's Collins who kept throwing him the ball.

I realize this comment of yours was directed at Leonard Henry. But, I watched every focking game last year, and I can tell you with great certainty that saying Jordan "excelled in the receiving game" is what really is sheer idiocy.

Dude, if you have a statistic that compares Jordan favorably to Westbrook in terms of receiving, then you have yourself a statistic that is utterly worthless in terms of evaluating their skill. The two guys are not even in the same ballpark. Remember Westbrook's TD in the Super Bowl? Basically a slant pattern in heavy traffic? The passes that were thrown Jordan's way were not anything like that. Brian Westbrook, as Marshall Faulk did, gets downfield and runs a lot of patterns similar to a WR. Pretty much everything they threw to Jordan was uncovered in the flats. Very easy completions and yet he managed to doink a lot of them right off his hands. And I'm not saying he dropped a lot of easy balls because his statistics suggest it... I'm saying he dropped a lot of easy balls because I watched him drop a lot of easy balls.

 

So you're saying that Lamont Jordan doesn't stack up to Westy or Faulk in terms of pass catching.....not hard to agree with that. I don't think many on this board wouldn't. One thing I would say, though, is that regardless of the fact that Jordan dropped 25% of his passes last season is secondary to the fact that he did CATCH 70 balls. There has to be some level of trust there for a RB to get that many looks, whether it's from the system or a distressed QB. Besides, there's no way a guy doesn't at the very least improve his pass catching skill by catching that many balls. Especially an RB. Any WR dropping that many balls would probably be relegated to BU status, but I think RB's get a little more leeway. Oh, along with Westy and Faulk, I'd add LT2

[t.j 35]

One thing I would say, though, is that regardless of the fact that Jordan dropped 25% of his passes last season is secondary to the fact that he did CATCH 70 balls.

 

Yes, and that's been said about ten times in this thread. He DID it, but the question is WILL he again this season.

 

There has to be some level of trust there for a RB to get that many looks, whether it's from the system or a distressed QB.

 

Ok, tell me who trusted him last year that is still around this year?

 

Besides, there's no way a guy doesn't at the very least improve his pass catching skill by catching that many balls. Especially an RB.

 

He might improve, but you can't say there's no way he won't.

 

Any WR dropping that many balls would probably be relegated to BU status, but I think RB's get a little more leeway. Oh, along with Westy and Faulk, I'd add LT2

 

Speaking of Tomlinson, there's a guy who had 100 receptions in one season, and hasn't topped 53 receptions since, which just shows you that an RB having a huge year in terms of receptions can have to do with circumstance as much as anything.

 

One more thing to add about Jordan, not only are his hands poor, he's also not great at running in the open field (related to yards after catch).

[t.j 35]

I think you're mixing that up with your weekends at the sauna.

 

h0mo.

 

Classic scooter.

 

And I too watched every game last year - and indeed, Jordan dropped some. And caught crapload more than he dropped.

 

That's like saying Tim Duncan makes a crapload more free throws than he misses. That doesn't mean you want him on the stripe with the game on the line...

 

Your problem is in focusing on the negative and letting that cloud your view of the positive. And frankly you sound incredibly foolish for it.

 

And your problem is adequately illustrated by this next paragraph...

 

So because you're a pessimistic schmuck we're all suppossed to ...

 

'nuff said.

 

I too agree that his receptions will be down.

 

Backpedal backpedal backpedal...

[bobbyld332 0]

Yes, and that's been said about ten times in this thread. He DID it, but the question is WILL he again this season.

Ok, tell me who trusted him last year that is still around this year?

He might improve, but you can't say there's no way he won't.

Speaking of Tomlinson, there's a guy who had 100 receptions in one season, and hasn't topped 53 receptions since, which just shows you that an RB having a huge year in terms of receptions can have to do with circumstance as much as anything.

 

One more thing to add about Jordan, not only are his hands poor, he's also not great at running in the open field (related to yards after catch).

 

Good points - obviously you have a much more developed and substantiated opinion of Jordan than I do. I "ended up" with Jordan in my 16-team auction draft last Sat. I won't say I'm disappointed I have him because I didn't overpay ($34 out of $140), but I probably would have bowed out had the other guy gone up one more dollar....I have my doubts, especially with that blockhead QB and that OC from the B&B. I can only hope that Slater can bring that o-line together and start playing better.

[football_scooter 0]

Classic scooter.

That's like saying Tim Duncan makes a crapload more free throws than he misses. That doesn't mean you want him on the stripe with the game on the line...

And your problem is adequately illustrated by this next paragraph...

'nuff said.

Backpedal backpedal backpedal...

 

Where's the backpedaling?

 

Please quote for me where I ever said anything to the contrary. I was defending him as a good receiver - I never said he'd repeat.

 

You're really quite adept at misrepresenting people's posts then arguing against the fiction that you've painted.

 

And you wonder why I call you a schmuck. If the shoe fits...

 

I'm done arguing with idiots, so I'll just bid you a good day. This topic was about whether or not LaMont Jordan is adept at receiving, and 70 receptions tells you everything you need to know. Anything else you've spouted has been unsupported wild speculation, and frankly it's a bit annoying when you come off as acting like you know the future.

 

Here's my unsupported opinion: bank on Jordan having a similar season to last year in terms of overall numbers. He will have roughly 1600 total yards and 10 TDs. Picking him anywhere from 5-7 is one of the safest bets in the draft - you must not have watched much this preseason or you'd see that he's dropped about 15 lbs, and looks much quicker on his feet, so he may even have some of that break away open field speed that you claim he lacks.

 

Good luck in your drafts, and have fun being a schmuck on these forums from here on out - I've engaged you as much as I ever need to. From here out I'll just ignore you for fear that reading your posts will only serve to make me dumber for it.

[t.j 35]

This topic was about whether or not LaMont Jordan is adept at receiving, and 70 receptions tells you everything you need to know.

 

No, it doesn't, but apparently it's all you're willing to hear. cya.

[DanXIII 8]

you people are high on crack. 14 70 563 2 TDs - Yeah, he sucks at catching the ball. 70 receptions in 14 games. Brooks won't use him as a dump off at all.

Deuce McAllister caught 69 balls out of the backfield in 2003 with Brooks at QB

 

I agree with the Scootmeister here. He may not have 70 catches this year but there's no way in hell they are going to completely ignore him in the passing game (not if they want to get > 4 first downs per game, that is).