****Official College Wagering Thread****

[Da Bomb 0]

ok i know im a moron, but someone help me out. this and the nfl gambling thread are one of the only threads i still come to read at FFT each week cuz its loaded with good stuff for a football fan like me. i dont actually gamble, but i do some vbookie gambling on another site and its just fun to pay attention to the whole thing. anyways what i really have never figured out is what it means when theres a +110 or -110 or something after a gambling line. im assuming maybe that refers to the payout, but im not sure how. i was thinking that when you bet spreads, its a 1:1 bet/payout ratio. i apologize in advance for the rookie question, but i feel like i can contribute to these threads some if i knew these basics. anyone wanna explain for me? on here or at brandon.c.anderson@wheaton.edu is fine.

 

TIA.

[Grind 0]

ok i know im a moron, but someone help me out. this and the nfl gambling thread are one of the only threads i still come to read at FFT each week cuz its loaded with good stuff for a football fan like me. i dont actually gamble, but i do some vbookie gambling on another site and its just fun to pay attention to the whole thing. anyways what i really have never figured out is what it means when theres a +110 or -110 or something after a gambling line. im assuming maybe that refers to the payout, but im not sure how. i was thinking that when you bet spreads, its a 1:1 bet/payout ratio. i apologize in advance for the rookie question, but i feel like i can contribute to these threads some if i knew these basics. anyone wanna explain for me? on here or at brandon.c.anderson@wheaton.edu is fine.

 

TIA.

 

 

If it is -110, that means you have to lay $11 to win $10 or $110 to win $100. If it is +110, you lay $10 to win $11 or $100 to win $110. Same goes for -120 (lay $12 to win $10) and +120 (lay $10 to win $12).

[phillybear 366]

If it is -110, that means you have to lay $11 to win $10 or $110 to win $100. If it is +110, you lay $10 to win $11 or $100 to win $110. Same goes for -120 (lay $12 to win $10) and +120 (lay $10 to win $12).

 

That's pretty much it. The numbers are based on a base line of $100. So when I take Florida (14)@-120, I am laying 120 to win 100.

 

Moneylines are play without a point spread. You are betting that your team will win the game. Taking South Florida Moneyline @+155, you are betting 100 to win back 155 if South Florida wins the game. I typically take a shot at a couple of money line underdogs every week in college.

 

Most of the time, the weird numbers like @-115 or @-120 or @Even will come up when the point spread is around a key number of 3 or 7 or 10 or 14 or something similar.

 

Instead of moving the line off a key number to say 3.5, the books will move the money total to @-120. Once a number is settled on a key number, they don't want to move it unless they have to based on lopsided action because of middling situations. Say that someone bet a thousand on Rutgers -3. Then the line went to -3.5. He could now put a thousand on South Florida. He is going to lose the juice in most scenarios. But if the final score is Rutgers 31-28, he pushes on Rutgers and wins the South Florida bet. So he is risking the juice, a hundred bucks, to try to win a thousand bucks. Calculated risk, but somewhere around 20% of all games in the NFL are decided by exactly 3 pts, and college is probably in the same neighborhood. If a line moves from -6 to -11, then there are plenty of opportunities to middle this, as it passed key numbers of 7 and 10. And you will see people try to middle. It's kind of interesting, trying to predict line moves.

[Grind 0]

Thoughts on Notre Dame -14 against Purdue in South Bend. Doesn't Purdue start two true freshmen cornerbacks? That would lead me to beleive that the Notre Dame offense will eat them for lunch and an early dinner.

 

Also like to point out that Michigan has a huge revenge game with Minnesota after what happened last year in the big house. I could see Michigan covering the 10 pretty easy (31-13)

[rjconley48105 0]

This is the first time in quite a few years that we can use "Michigan Defense" and "Aggressive" in the same sentence. The past few years, we couldn't even use those terms in the same paragraph. That said, I think I'm riding the Wolverines out betting wise the rest of the year. I think this is a legit Michigan team (offense, defense, special teams) and I still think the lines more resemble last year's dissappointment. I'm thinking it may take most of the season for the lines to catch back up to the talent of this year's Michigan team.

Well I don't think you stepping out of the shower makes your wife any money.

 

 

I agree with you on that. It still will be a good test for them up in Minny but I see them covering. The gophers running isn't as good as in the past couple years and Michigan against the run is one of the best in the Country. I don't know where they are but Philly probably could tell us.

[phillybear 366]

Adding a writeup for tonight's CFL game...

 

Montreal (Moneyline@+145 for 3 units)

 

Montreal is on a 6 game losing streak, and getting desperate. They still control their destiny in the East division. Their recent struggles are attributed to playing the stronger West division teams, and they are 6-2 SU against the East this year. Winnipeg is enjoying a resurgence, but remain 2-7 SU at home. Winnipeg won a close game vs Montreal last week, and I like the Montreal to win this game on this quick turnaround revenge game.

[phillybear 366]

Overall College YTD: 75-56-3; +37.97 units

Subset: 2 unit plays or higher: 29-15-1; +35.37 units

CFL: 15-9; +10.75 units

 

All for 1 unit unless indicated otherwise. Subject to change. Waiting on some lines, might add or upgrade. In time order.

 

Saturday Early

 

Michigan St (-26) LOSER

Michigan St 2nd H (-13.5) LOSER

Pittsburgh (-16) for 2 units WINNER!!

Duke (+5) LOSER

Navy (+1.5) for 3 units WINNER!!!!!

Navy 2nd H (+.5)@-105 WINNER

Missouri (-16) LOSER

Syracuse (-4.5) WINNER

Air Force (-13.5) WINNER

Kent St (Moneyline@+115) for 2 units WINNER!!

Purdue (+14) PUSH

Idaho (-3) WINNER

Utah (-5) for 3 units LOSER!!!!!

Penn St (-19.5) WINNER

Army (-11) LOSER

Florida (-14)@-120 for 3 units WINNER!!!!!

Florida 1st H (-7.5)@-120 for 3 units LOSER!!!!!

Florida 2nd H (-8) for 3 units WINNER!!!!!

Cincinnati (-10.5) for 2 units WINNER!!

Texas A&M (-2.5) LOSER

Virginia Tech (-9.5)@-120 for 2 units LOSER!!

Oregon St (+9.5) LOSER

Eastern Michigan (Moneyline@+270) for .5 units LOSER

Eastern Michigan 1st H (+4.5) for 2 units LOSER!!

Houston (+16.5) WINNER

Central Michigan (+8) LOSER

San Jose St (Moneyline@+115) for 3 units WINNER!!!!!

San Jose St 1st H (+.5)@-105 for 3 units WINNER!!!!!

 

14-12-1; +6.95 units

8-4; +10.25 units

 

Saturday Night

 

Nebraska (-22.5) LOSER!!

Kansas St (-1.5) for 2 units LOSER!!

Washington St (+17) WINNER!!

Troy St (+5.5) LOSER

North Texas 1st H (-2.5) for 3 units LOSER!!!!!

Flor Int 2nd H (-6) for 3 units LOSER!!!!!

SMU (-3)@-115 WINNER

Iowa (+7) LOSER

Mississippi (+18) WINNER

New Mex St 1st H (+9.5) for 3 units LOSER!!!!!

New Mexico St (+16.5) for 3 units WINNER!!!!!

New Mex St 2nd H (+7) for 3 units WINNER!!!!!

Washington (+3.5) WINNER

UNLV 2nd H (Pk)@-120 for 3 units LOSER!!!!!

 

Good luck to all.

 

Edit: Adding New Mex St, North Tex 1st H, Eastern Mich, Eastern Mich 1st H, upgrading Flor 1st H. Added Mich St 2nd H, Navy 2nd H, San Jose St 1st H. New Mex St 2ndH

[phillybear 366]

As of Friday night, lopsided Saturday action...

 

Rutgers 80% over South Florida

Penn St 76% over Northwestern

Nebraska 75% over Kansas

Wisconsin 91% over Indiana

Michigan St 86% over Illinois

Miami Fla 78% over Houston

Syracuse 81% over Wyoming

Clemson 80% over La Tech

Navy 74% over U Conn

Army 72% over Rice

Ohio U 74% over Bowling Green

Air Force 79% over New Mexico

Kansas St 79% over Baylor

Idaho 77% over Utah St

California 86% over Oregon St

Cincinnati 82% over Miami OH

Kentucky 75% over Central Mich

LSU 86% over Miss St

Georgia 72% over Mississippi

Ohio St 78% over Iowa

Michigan 85% over Minnesota

Tennessee 77% over Memphis

Fresno St 75% over Colorado St

Washington 72% over Arizona

Oregon 73% over Arizona St

Flor Int 85% over Arkansas St

[Grind 0]

As of Friday night, lopsided Saturday action...

 

Rutgers 80% over South Florida

Penn St 76% over Northwestern

Nebraska 75% over Kansas

Wisconsin 91% over Indiana

Michigan St 86% over Illinois

Miami Fla 78% over Houston

Syracuse 81% over Wyoming

Clemson 80% over La Tech

Navy 74% over U Conn

Army 72% over Rice

Ohio U 74% over Bowling Green

Air Force 79% over New Mexico

Kansas St 79% over Baylor

Idaho 77% over Utah St

California 86% over Oregon St

Cincinnati 82% over Miami OH

Kentucky 75% over Central Mich

LSU 86% over Miss St

Georgia 72% over Mississippi

Ohio St 78% over Iowa

Michigan 85% over Minnesota

Tennessee 77% over Memphis

Fresno St 75% over Colorado St

Washington 72% over Arizona

Oregon 73% over Arizona St

Flor Int 85% over Arkansas St

 

 

Hey Philly. Correct me if I'm wrong on this and I will use Michigan as my example. What you have above is saying that 85% of the $'s being bet are on Michigan as opposed to Minnesota. This would me, because I am planning on taking Michigan, I might be wise to lock the bet in now rather then wait til game time. If this action continues, the spread at game time might be a bit higher then it is now. Is this logic right or wrong? What else is the above info good for?

[iceblumist610 0]

Here are the games I like this week, don't really feel like reasoning everything else, post mainly on covers...

 

Idaho -3

BSU +5

EMU +8

FAU +14.5

Duke +5

Navy +2

SJSU +3 (not losing another half point game; bought it)

Washington +3.5

 

PB, I like your pick on Florida, but right now its at 16.5, and I don't want to lay more than 2 TDs. Playing big favs always scares me.

[phillybear 366]

Hey Philly. Correct me if I'm wrong on this and I will use Michigan as my example. What you have above is saying that 85% of the $'s being bet are on Michigan as opposed to Minnesota. This would me, because I am planning on taking Michigan, I might be wise to lock the bet in now rather then wait til game time. If this action continues, the spread at game time might be a bit higher then it is now. Is this logic right or wrong? What else is the above info good for?

 

This is the percentage of bets made on a side. 85% of all wagers are on Michigan.

 

If you can get a -9.5, I would consider taking it. Logically, the line can only move up. However, 10 is a key number, so it might not reach that plateau. If the line moves down, then it's a suspicious game, and I might actually consider Minnesota.

[phillybear 366]

PB, I like your pick on Florida, but right now its at 16.5, and I don't want to lay more than 2 TDs. Playing big favs always scares me.

 

I am not crazy about laying big numbers either. However, Florida is putting up some scary offensive and defensive numbers against decent teams. Big revenge game from losing to Alabama 31-3 last year. Hawaii threw for 350 vs Alabama, and I think Florida could put up 400+. Misleading final score last week as Florida did not take advantage of several scoring opportunities vs Kentucky. Alabama is up 12-4 in turnovers for the year, and that is why they are winning by the scores that they are.

[Hurricane Ditka 0]

This week is scary! Most weeks I go into with the attitude "just beat the juice". But I really like some games this week. Lots of them too.

 

YTD- 54-20-4

 

1st Half Plays:

Michigan State -14

Florida -8.5 LOSS

Michigan -6 WIN

UCLA -13.5

 

Game Plays:

South Florida ML LOSS

South Florida +4 WIN

South Florida/Rutgers over 42 PUSH

Duke +5.5 LOSS Not sure what I was thinking here!!

Navy +2 WIN

Georgia Tech +10 WIN

Oregon PK WIN

Central Michigan +9 PUSH

Iowa ML +250 LOSS

Iowa +7 LOSS

USC/WSU over 49 WIN

Washington State +17 WIN

Nevada -3.5

Washington +3.5

 

I am basically with Philly on South Florida. My little brother lives in Tampa and basically has been raving about the South Florida QB. SF won me a ton on money earlier against Central Florida so I can risk a small part of that tonight. I have 1 unit between the three plays.

[phillybear 366]

In case anyone wants it...

 

Link to Montreal game

[Hurricane Ditka 0]

Philly we like a couple of the same games. What are your thoughts on Idaho, Purdue and Utah? I almost bet the opposite of all those games,

[GiantsRule 0]

My gamble on waiting for the over didn't work out (now at 45).

 

However, seeing how strong a lot of you are on S. Fla, if Rutgers scores again on this drive, I'll pound S. Fla (which is currently +7 for +135 and should be double digits).

[phillybear 366]

Philly we like a couple of the same games. What are your thoughts on Idaho, Purdue and Utah? I almost bet the opposite of all those games,

 

Utah St hasn't scored a single point on offense in their first 4 games. Yuck. Idaho has capable skill players and a decent QB, and should be able to simply outscore Utah St.

 

I think it's a flat spot for Notre Dame after a hectic early schedule, and series of huge emotional games, and huge rally last week. They may be taking a breather in this game. Purdue very capable of being competitive in this game. I still think Notre Dame is overrated. Could be a game with zero defense.

 

I really like this Utah team, almost as much as Hawaii. After not covering any of their first 9 games last year, Utah has very, very quietly put together a nice run since then, keyed by a high powered offense. Boise St is not very good on the road, struggled against a below average Wyoming team earlier on the road. Boise St can run the ball pretty well, but with Hawkins gone as head coach, Zabransky doesn't look all that great early on. Looks too obvious to take Boise St in this game. Contrarian play. The line kept going up all week, despite the money being on Boise St.

[Hurricane Ditka 0]

Idaho is just as bad.

Boise State vs. Utah is a toss up.

Notre Dame screwed my azz last week.

 

Sounds like 3 no plays for me. Good luck Philly.

[phillybear 366]

South Florida needs to find a way to score some focking points. New year. Same old Bulls.

 

Montreal is up 15-7 in the second quarter.

 

Good luck Philly.

 

Good luck to you too.

[gummo_dude 0]

They were fortunate to only give up a field goal there. Let's hope they can squeeze in a score before halftime.

[GiantsRule 0]

OK, Ditka: I guess this is where gambling boys become men. It's been a great run the last few weeks. If it can keep up with a card like this, the wife is going to get one hell of a 30th birthday/1st wedding anniversary present! If not, well, doesn't every girl love a bouquet of posies and a Twinkie with a candle in it?

 

Pretty much took your entire slate with a few moderations. I've recently added a few new outs*, so I'll note where I got the lines. Keep in mind: Sportingbetusa.com is an offshoot of Sportsbook.com (same interface, odds, even casino) and as such, Friday is half juice day on most sides.

 

Duke +6 (-115), Sportingbetusa

 

Navy ML (+115), Olympic

 

Georgia tech +10 (-105) BoDog

 

Oregon +2 (-120), Dimelinesports

 

Central Michigan +9, Olympic

 

Iowa +7.5, BoDog

 

USC/WSU Over 49, Olympic

 

Washington State +17 (-105), Sportingbetusa

 

Nevada -3 (-115), Sportingbetusa

 

Washington +4 (-115), Sportingbetusa

 

Washington ML (+145), Sportingbetusa

 

Also took a "reverse parlay" (parlay of the opposites) and a standard parlay, just in case Ditka achieves red hot perfection! Pretty amazing how little you have to risk on the big reverses ($1 pays more than $650!!!)

 

Best of luck as always boys! Let's make it another killer weekend!

 

*--If anybody is interested in signing up for any of these books, feel free to email me at BTC316@hotmail.com for bonus and referral information!

[phillybear 366]

They were fortunate to only give up a field goal there. Let's hope they can squeeze in a score before halftime.

 

Yep. 10-7. Down only 3.

 

 

Montreal up 18-10. Getting close to halftime.

[gummo_dude 0]

Hot damn!

[phillybear 366]

This So Flor QB is really something. Having a great second quarter. Great running skills and is looking pretty comfortable throwing right now.

 

So Flor up 14-10.

[Hurricane Ditka 0]

OK, Ditka: I guess this is where gambling boys become men. It's been a great run the last few weeks. If it can keep up with a card like this, the wife is going to get one hell of a 30th birthday/1st wedding anniversary present! If not, well, doesn't every girl love a bouquet of posies and a Twinkie with a candle in it?

 

Pretty much took your entire slate with a few moderations. I've recently added a few new outs*, so I'll note where I got the lines. Keep in mind: Sportingbetusa.com is an offshoot of Sportsbook.com (same interface, odds, even casino) and as such, Friday is half juice day on most sides.

 

Duke +6 (-115), Sportingbetusa

 

Navy ML (+115), Olympic

 

Georgia tech +10 (-105) BoDog

 

Oregon +2 (-120), Dimelinesports

 

Central Michigan +9, Olympic

 

Iowa +7.5, BoDog

 

USC/WSU Over 49, Olympic

 

Washington State +17 (-105), Sportingbetusa

 

Nevada -3 (-115), Sportingbetusa

 

Washington +4 (-115), Sportingbetusa

 

Washington ML (+145), Sportingbetusa

 

Also took a "reverse parlay" (parlay of the opposites) and a standard parlay, just in case Ditka achieves red hot perfection! Pretty amazing how little you have to risk on the big reverses ($1 pays more than $650!!!)

 

Best of luck as always boys! Let's make it another killer weekend!

 

*--If anybody is interested in signing up for any of these books, feel free to email me at BTC316@hotmail.com for bonus and referral information!

Wow, I hope you like these games as well! Or are you strictly on my back?

 

My wife just turned 30 and we just celebrated our 10th wedding anny. How do you like them apples bro?

 

Hey Philly,

 

You watching South Florida? That 18 year old true freshman has got some momentum for Da Bulls!

Oh yeah, what was the Shiot you wrote about the Seahawks and Bears?

[phillybear 366]

Hey Philly,

 

Oh yeah, what was the Shiot you wrote about the Seahawks and Bears?

 

I had a few slow moments at work, and decided to do a little fishing in that thread. Killed some time as I amused myself.

 

I think Seattle is the best team in the NFC again, but this game is scary.

 

 

Edit:

 

Montreal up 18-10 at the half. So Flor up 14-10 at the half. Both started the game down 7-0. Let's keep this momentum going.

[GiantsRule 0]

Ditka: I thought I've made it clear that I'm completely piggybacking your selections like I have the last three weeks! I know little-to-nothing about college ball. My favorite team is Akron...only because back in college I took them as 38.5 underdogs...and they lost by 37!

 

Only games you've taken that I've passed on are huge chalk faves (3 TDs or higher). You've been especially money on small dogs (which I've taken MLs on) and favorites within 7 points!

 

I've bet more this week than previous weeks. No pressure though!

[JT 137]

INT Rutgers! True frosh mistake by the So Fla QB.

 

No $$$ on this game, just a Scarlet Knight through and through.

[gummo_dude 0]

Anybody following what's going on with the gambling bill? They attached it to the Port Security bill which they are voting on now and will probably pass. Doesn't sound good for the future of internet gambling.

[JT 137]

Ditka, I'm with you on Wash, Wash St and Ga Tech. Wavering on the OSU/Iowa game. What's got you sold on the Hawkeyes?

[GiantsRule 0]

Anybody following what's going on with the gambling bill? They attached it to the Port Security bill which they are voting on now and will probably pass. Doesn't sound good for the future of internet gambling.

 

I'm trying to ignore it's happening. I'd start withdrawing some of my winnings to play it safe, but I still have uncleared bonuses to rollover before I can do that.

 

Does it look like the impact will be immediate if it does get approval?

[phillybear 366]

Montreal 23-13, early 4th quarter.

 

Looks like Rutgers is putting a ton of pressure on Grothe. How about a screen pass? Dum ass play calling.

[GiantsRule 0]

Almost forgot a play I put in yesterday. After sitting it out for a week, decided to try my luck at an early game "overs" parlay. As it sounds, it's where I take three high totals in the early games and throw them together in a 3-team parlay. I'm 0-2 this season (with a win stolen from me in Rutgers-Illinois when both teams scored 33 in the 1st half and 3 in the 2nd and ignored the 46 total; the other two on my card hit easily).

 

I started doing this when I hit 3 weeks out of 5 to close out the season last year. There's no rhyme or reason to these plays. Just hoping I luck out with a barrage of scoring to start the day:

 

Tennessee/Memphis - total Over 45 (-110)

 

Toledo/Pittsburgh - total Over 50 (-110)

 

Mississippi State/LSU - total Over 41 (-120)

[Hurricane Ditka 0]

Ditka, I'm with you on Wash, Wash St and Ga Tech. Wavering on the OSU/Iowa game. What's got you sold on the Hawkeyes?

I don't know how much I can share with a Rutger fan after what they did to my Illini!

 

I should probably state that on money line plays I lay a half unit. So I am not as strong on Iowa ML as I am Iowa and the points.

 

Basically,

 

I will always look at a home underdog in the Big 10. The money line at +250 seemed like a decent $10 play. And I don't see the Buckeyes getting up for Iowa like they did for Texas. The Big Ten is known for some dog fights and thus far this year Ohio State has run the ball very well because they have become pass happy. I think they will be forced to run and the game will be closer than anyone suspects.

[bryberns 0]

Have USF @ +4.5 but eventho they are getting the ball back Rutgers has been blitzing the crap out of USF and this Freshman QB hasn't been able to get a second to throw. Very nervous......

[Hurricane Ditka 0]

I'm trying to ignore it's happening. I'd start withdrawing some of my winnings to play it safe, but I still have uncleared bonuses to rollover before I can do that.

 

Does it look like the impact will be immediate if it does get approval?

I have my doubts that a Billion dollar business will get the doors slammed shut overnight. That being said I cash out or add when needed. No sense in keeping my pile of money anywhere other than my own bank account. If that does ever happen we can all just go back to a bookie and a 1-800 #. I am not worried.

[phillybear 366]

I will always look at a home underdog in the Big 10. The money line at +250 seemed like a decent $10 play. And I don't see the Buckeyes getting up for Iowa like they did for Texas. The Big Ten is known for some dog fights and thus far this year Ohio State has run the ball very well because they have become pass happy. I think they will be forced to run and the game will be closer than anyone suspects.

 

Iowa is 26-6 ATS last 32 at home; Iowa is 15-1 SU at home last 16. First time as a home dog since 2003.

 

Have USF @ +4.5 but eventho they are getting the ball back Rutgers has been blitzing the crap out of USF and this Freshman QB hasn't been able to get a second to throw. Very nervous......

 

Rutgers has all the momentum now.

[Hurricane Ditka 0]

Freshman!!!!!!! Ouch.

 

Let's just say I also have a vested interested in the St. Louis Cards tonight -1.5 (100 to win 165)

 

Iowa is 26-6 ATS last 32 at home; Iowa is 15-1 SU at home last 16. First time as a home dog since 2003.

Rutgers has all the momentum now.

I should of said Ohio State has NOT run the ball that well this year.

[new-guru 0]

Giants rule

You were talking about uncleared bonuses what is that?

 

has anyone heard of sites giving you back money depending on how many bets you make, kinda like the poker sites ( free money back) ????

 

I was just wondering my site does nothing like that, however i have about 100 plays a week for over around 5 thou pending a weekend. thought it would be nice to get some of that action back.

[phillybear 366]

Montreal with back to back fumbles, and a stupid taunting penalty when Winnipeg would have had to kick a FG. Montreal only up 23-20, 6 minutes to go.

 

Rutgers TD.

 

Everything going to hell.