Ted Kennedy and John Kerry

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Yesterday I was browsing over books at Barnes and Noble. I came across a book called The Brothers Bulger: How They Terrorized and Corrupted Boston for a Quarter Century . It's about Whitey and William Bulger. The title of the book says it all. They were mobsters with uber power because of ties to the FBI. Anyway, I was flipping through the book and there are pictures of William Bulger with John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. I wonder how close he was to them. I'd be curious to know what he may have done for them and if he gave them money. Kennedy and Kerry would likely brush these aside as photo ops but they knew who they were dealing with. Then again they are politicians from Massachussetts where corruption seems to be glamorous. William Bulger was the head of UMass until Mitt Romney pressured him out. Whitey is currently on the run. If anyone knows more about these guys or how close they actually were with Teddy and Johnny I'd be curious to read what you have to say. For others who don't know much about the Bulger brothers here's some info.

 

The Brothers Bulger: How They Terrorized and Corrupted Boston for a Quarter Century

 

Whitey Bulger

 

William Bulger

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JFK wouldn't have been elected President unless the mob didn't deliver Illinois for him, Joe Kennedy was a bootlegger (which is how they got rich), so why is this such a shocker?

[UncleHulka 0]

Whitey Bulger

Rule number two: Don't never, ever trust Whitey.

[yojimbo81 0]

JFK wouldn't have been elected President unless the mob didn't deliver Illinois for him, Joe Kennedy was a bootlegger (which is how they got rich), so why is this such a shocker?

 

This is true but the photos in the book appear to be quite recent. I'm actually suprised that Kennedy and Kerry would be openly photographed with a known mobster today. The JFK election was over 40 years ago.

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The JFK election was over 40 years ago.

 

 

Once the mob gets their claws in you they own you for life.

 

HTH

[Snoopy1 0]

JFK wouldn't have been elected President unless the mob didn't deliver Illinois for him, Joe Kennedy was a bootlegger (which is how they got rich), so why is this such a shocker?

 

 

Of course this doesn't have any real basis in fact...but it makes for a nice story.

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Of course this doesn't have any real basis in fact...but it makes for a nice story.

 

You really are a focking idiot. The fact the mob delivered the Chicago vote that was the deciding factor in the '60 election is well documented.

 

Also, the fact Joe was a bootlegger is common knowledge to anyone with an IQ over 60, which explains why you are clueless.

 

[UncleHulka 0]

Of course this doesn't have any real basis in fact...but it makes for a nice story.

Yes, we need more objective stories around here, preferably those involving Muslim park rangers and homicidal air conditioning units.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Billy and Whitey are different guys. Billy, while a politician to the core with pure political goals in front of him, was not the same as Billy, who was a criminal to the core with pure illegal goals in front of him.

 

Billy was completely wrong for trying to shield his brother as much as he did (how much is debatable) and I personally had disdain for the loyalty that he showed to his cronies. However, that does not make him an FBI Top 10 Most Wanted like his brother.

 

As far as Teddy and Kerry, I think that you have plenty of other criticisms that are more accurate and more applicable than this one.

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You really are a focking idiot. The fact the mob delivered the Chicago vote that was the deciding factor in the '60 election is well documented.

 

Also, the fact Joe was a bootlegger is common knowledge to anyone with an IQ over 60, which explains why you are clueless.

 

 

 

The mob did not deliver the vote to Kennedy, but please focking persist in this absolute wonderful myth, that has never been backed up by one iota of evidence.

 

Since I didn't directly state it, I never claimed Joe wasn't a bootlegger, but please keep making your assumptions.

 

No, the Mafia did not win the 1960 presidential election for John F. Kennedy, according to a study by a University of Illinois at Chicago professor.

 

Chicago Sun Times

 

Those areas performed no differently than the non-mob wards and suburbs, Binder found. "There's really no evidence to support that story," Binder said. "Some of the people telling these stories are nuts."

 

 

That professor must know you....

[Voltaire 5,316]

They had their picture taken with the Chancellor of UMass, I'm sure Presidents of Universities hob knob in circles with politicians. The Kennedy family has issues and Ted will always live with that driving death (don't ask me to attempt to spell it). Politicians of all stripes deal with 'important' people, rich powerful influential people.

 

To be honest, I'm even not all that famiiar with William Bulger's transgretions, of course I never even browsed the book.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

You really are a focking idiot. The fact the mob delivered the Chicago vote that was the deciding factor in the '60 election is well documented.

 

Also, the fact Joe was a bootlegger is common knowledge to anyone with an IQ over 60, which explains why you are clueless.

 

 

The results of the 1960 election went as follows (based upon electoral college):

 

Kennedy: 303

Nixon: 219

 

There were 27 electoral college votes in Illinois. So, even if Nixon had taken Illinois, Kennedy would have still won. So exactly WTF are you talking about?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presiden..._election,_1960

 

In addition, are you really going to argue that Nixon would have been a better President than Kennedy?

[Bert 1,128]

That's right the Kennedy's had no ties to organized crime.

 

It is a mere coincidence that two bothers that worked against organized crime happened to both be assassinated by unknown crack pot individuals working only. Riiiiiiight.

[BlackPlague 1]

Not to interrupt this great debate...but are these guys what the Showtime series Brotherhood is based on? I've only seen a couple episodes, but it seems familiar...political brother with fairly honest goals that has to make deals with the Boston underworld to get anything done has a mobbed up brother that is a pure criminal.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Not to interrupt this great debate...but are these guys what the Showtime series Brotherhood is based on? I've only seen a couple episodes, but it seems familiar...political brother with fairly honest goals that has to make deals with the Boston underworld to get anything done has a mobbed up brother that is a pure criminal.

 

It could be. This is a well chronicled story considering Whitey is/was on the FBI's Top 10 most wanted and his brother essentially ran the Commonwealth of MA.

 

It is rumored that Whitey was seen recently in San Diego viewing the movie, "The Departed", since it was supposed to be based upon him.

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You should the subtitle of this thread to "Irish Whiskey ties".

 

TIA.

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The results of the 1960 election went as follows (based upon electoral college):

 

Kennedy: 303

Nixon: 219

 

There were 27 electoral college votes in Illinois. So, even if Nixon had taken Illinois, Kennedy would have still won. So exactly WTF are you talking about?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presiden..._election,_1960

 

In addition, are you really going to argue that Nixon would have been a better President than Kennedy?

 

 

Has to be the greatest Recliner Pilot disappearing act ever.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Has to be the greatest Recliner Pilot disappearing act ever.

 

There have been other similar situations. When he is this wrong, he runs and hides. At least the artist formerly known as, "torridjoe", would admit his mistakes. This character does not have as much character

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every dime of the kennedy wealth is blood money.

 

surely, you're kidding you weren't aware of these things?

 

The results of the 1960 election went as follows (based upon electoral college):

 

Kennedy: 303

Nixon: 219

 

There were 27 electoral college votes in Illinois. So, even if Nixon had taken Illinois, Kennedy would have still won. So exactly WTF are you talking about?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presiden..._election,_1960

 

In addition, are you really going to argue that Nixon would have been a better President than Kennedy?

 

i'm no recliner pilot apologist, but despite this little fact of his being seemingly wrong, there is no denying how papa kennedy made his money and who he did business with to get rich.

[Snoopy1 0]

every dime of the kennedy wealth is blood money.

 

surely, you're kidding you weren't aware of these things?

i'm no recliner pilot apologist, but despite this little fact of his being seemingly wrong, there is no denying how papa kennedy made his money and who he did business with to get rich.

 

 

Nobody denied that...

 

At issue were the mob swingin Illinois & RP's declaration that it was the deciding factor in the election.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

every dime of the kennedy wealth is blood money.

 

surely, you're kidding you weren't aware of these things?

i'm no recliner pilot apologist, but despite this little fact of his being seemingly wrong, there is no denying how papa kennedy made his money and who he did business with to get rich.

 

If you can tie this "little fact" to anything, please do. Otherwise, you have to make sure that you realize that Prohibition ended about 30 years before JFK ran for President. If you think that there was sufficient influence of this sort of thing, then please provide some evidence. Otherwise, I think that you are grasping at straws.

 

 

If you really want to go down this road, then we can start talking about others who have ties to the CIA (which is the king of organized crime), who have gone on to political power.

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Billy Bulger was the President of the Massachusetts state sentae for many years. this is a very powerful position in Massachusetts Government and he was one of the most powerful people in the state. He is not a mobster. I actually went to High School with one of his sons. Whitey was the mobster. Of course Kerry and Kennedy would have dealt with Billy Bulger.

 

BTW, JFK would have won the presidency even if he had lost illinois.

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There have been other similar situations. When he is this wrong, he runs and hides. At least the artist formerly known as, "torridjoe", would admit his mistakes. This character does not have as much character

 

Run and hide? Not hardly. I just don't scour the back pages for every thread I ever posted in. No doubt the IL vote wouldn't have put the election in Nixon's hands, but the fact remains that Pop Kennedy's connections to the mob did bring IL to Kennedy.

 

I just remembered reading that the '60 election was the closest in history to that point, and that the Joe Kennedy connections brought IL to the dems, I was mistaken about the overall election but still dead-on about the Kennedy/Mob connections and the fact Joe made the Kennedy millions illegally by bootlegging.

 

Also, please link to where Turbin ever admitted he was wrong. Never happened.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Run and hide? Not hardly. I just don't scour the back pages for every thread I ever posted in. No doubt the IL vote wouldn't have put the election in Nixon's hands, but the fact remains that Pop Kennedy's connections to the mob did bring IL to Kennedy.

 

I just remembered reading that the '60 election was the closest in history to that point, and that the Joe Kennedy connections brought IL to the dems, I was mistaken about the overall election but still dead-on about the Kennedy/Mob connections and the fact Joe made the Kennedy millions illegally by bootlegging.

 

Also, please link to where Turbin ever admitted he was wrong. Never happened.

 

I have "read" many things before. Does not mean that they are true or have any basis in fact. If you want to propose that Joe Kennedy's connections to bootlegging had any impact on the election, then at least back it up.

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I have "read" many things before. Does not mean that they are true or have any basis in fact. If you want to propose that Joe Kennedy's connections to bootlegging had any impact on the election, then at least back it up.

 

Read a little history.

 

itsatip.

 

Oh, and then there's that little Google thing.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Read a little history.

 

itsatip.

 

Oh, and then there's that little Google thing.

 

No. See, I am waiting for the all-knowing RP to enlighten me with his wisdom. This Internet stuff is too complicated for me to understand

[Snoopy1 0]

Wow, the way RP's getting owned I think we can change his name to Toby.

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Just 2 of thousands of links for ya Patsfatboy. I could list as much as you want, if I was so inclined, but seeing as how you are oblivious to well known facts about the '60 "election" of Kennedy I thought I would throw you a bone to enlighten you.

 

Oh, and Snoopy/Cyric can blow your "Owned" BS out your dong-stretched ass, you chime in with that lame BS all the time, yet never offer anything along the lines of facts, links, supporting evidence to help your position.

 

Focking idiot.

 

 

 

 

In the 1960 presidential race Richard M. Nixon lost by a hair to John F. Kennedy.

 

Two states with razor-thin margins for Kennedy could have swung the election to Nixon: Kennedy carried Texas by only 46,000 votes, and he carried Illinos by a mere 9,000 votes.

 

Illinois was then, and is now, dominated by Democratic machine politicians the kings of which are the Daley family of Chicago fame.

 

Democratic Campaign Chair, William Daley, is the son of the late Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daley who was instrumental in "stealing" the 1960 election from Nixon. Bill Daley is also brother to the current Chicago Mayor, Richard Daley, Jr.

 

In the aftermath of 1960 virtual non-election, investigators were alarmed by the fact that on election eve the Republicans were leading in Illinois but Daley’s operatives were withholding the results of a large number of precincts for some worrisome reason.

 

Then, when Kennedy was just four electoral votes shy of winning the presidency, all of the missing Chicago precincts mysteriously reported at the same time, turning the tide in favor of Kennedy.

 

There were 68 million votes cast in the 1960 election. The margin between the Republicans and the Democrats (Nixon and Kennedy) was a trifling 113,000 (less than 2/10 of one percent!) in favor of Kennedy.

 

A subsequent investigation of vote fraud in Illinois and Texas revealed the following:

 

Fannin County, Texas had only 4,895 registered voters. BUT 6,138 votes were cast, 75% of which went to Kennedy.

 

Angelina County, Texas: In one precinct, only 86 people voted yet the final tally was 147 for Kennedy, 24 for Nixon.

 

But Texas refused to conduct a recount. The Texas Election Board consisted entirely of Democrats, and the Board certified John Kennedy the winner in Texas.

 

Illinois: News reporters witnessed so much voter fraud by the Democrats that the Chicago Tribune stated "the election of November 8 was characterized by such gross and palpable fraud as to justify the conclusion that [Nixon] was deprived of victory." (As quoted by the Washington Post.)

 

The Republican National Committee filed a lawsuit challenging the Chicago results. Not coincidentally, the lawsuit was assigned to the courtroom of a judge known to be friendly to Daley and the Democratic party, Circuit Court Judge Thomas Kluczynski. After predictably dismissing the Republican suit, Kluczynski was rewarded by "President" John F. Kennedy with an appointment to the federal bench.

 

Earl Mazo was a reporter for the New York Herald Tribune in 1960. He investigated charges of Chicago voter fraud in the 1960 Kennedy / Nixon elections. Mazo found a cemetary in one Chicago precinct where the names on the head stones were registered voters who had actually voted!

 

Reporter Mazo also visited the Chicago address where 56 Kennedy voters listed their address. What he found was an abandoned, demolished house.

 

After numerous Democratic judges dismissed Republican charges of voter fraud, Kennedy was inaugurated.

 

Following Kennedy’s inauguration, the U.S. Department of Justice performed an inconclusive investigation into the accumulated evidence of voter fraud. The head of the DOJ was none other than U.S. Attorney General Bobby Kennedy, brother of you-know-who.

 

 

 

http://www.adversity.net/florida/Frame_Fla..._Daley_1960.htm

 

 

 

One favorite example took place during John F. Kennedy's pivotal victory in the 1960 presidential primary in West Virginia. No less an authority than former House Speaker Tip O' Neill, D-Mass., recalls that one of Daddy Joe Kennedy's bagmen went through West Virginia with pockets stuffed with cash. He would visit sheriffs doling out thousands of dollars with the promise of more money should the county end up in Kennedy's column.

 

Then, of course, there are the mafia-union payoffs that led to the unprecedented ballot box stuffing in Mayor Daley's Chicago giving JFK his razor thin, winning margin over Nixon in 1960's general election. The scandal is so infamous that there is now a standard joke on the rubber chicken circuit for candidates that goes, "I want to be buried in Chicago so that I can stay politically active after I die."

 

http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-9.htm

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Just 2 of thousands of links for ya Patsfatboy. I could list as much as you want, if I was so inclined, but seeing as how you are oblivious to well known facts about the '60 "election" of Kennedy I thought I would throw you a bone to enlighten you.

 

Oh, and Snoopy/Cyric can blow your "Owned" BS out your dong-stretched ass, you chime in with that lame BS all the time, yet never offer anything along the lines of facts, links, supporting evidence to help your position.

 

Those are some fine links you have there

 

 

So given all of the stretches that you have here, I am sure that you think that Bush was not "elected" considering that his "win" was even narrower, he lost the popular vote, and the only reason that he won was because of a vote contested in a state where his brother was Governor. Right?

 

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Those are some fine links you have there

So given all of the stretches that you have here, I am sure that you think that Bush was not "elected" considering that his "win" was even narrower, he lost the popular vote, and the only reason that he won was because of a vote contested in a state where his brother was Governor. Right?

 

 

LMAO.

 

How did I know the tired ol "lame link" would be your excuse? As I said, there are thousands. Care to prove them wrong?

 

As for Florida, I guess you missed the story of the consortium of media outlets who conducted Algore's recount of cherry-picked dem precincts and found Bush won by more votes than the original count.

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

LMAO.

 

How did I know the tired ol "lame link" would be your excuse? As I said, there are thousands. Care to prove them wrong?

 

As for Florida, I guess you missed the story of the consortium of media outlets who conducted Algore's recount of cherry-picked dem precincts and found Bush won by more votes than the original count.

 

 

I was LMAO myself because of the "thousands of links", you picked those. Well done in proving my point.

 

As for your point that the Florida recount did nothing to prove fraud and actually went against Gore, I think that if you look back at the actual recounts that occurred in the Kennedy election (those that occurred BEFORE RFK was in office), you will see that they did find a discrepancy that changed the winner of electoral college votes. Unfortunately (for Nixon), that was in Hawaii where they changed it from a Nixon state to a Kennedy state.

 

There have been reviews by plenty of folks since then that have found no proof of fraud that would impact the election.

 

A more balanced review of the situation can be found here with particular attention to this paragraph.

 

The GOP's failure to prove fraud doesn't mean, of course, that the election was clean. That question remains unsolved and unsolvable. But what's typically left out of the legend is that multiple election boards saw no reason to overturn the results. Neither did state or federal judges. Neither did an Illinois special prosecutor in 1961. And neither have academic inquiries into the Illinois case (both a 1961 study by three University of Chicago professors and more recent research by political scientist Edmund Kallina concluded that whatever fraud existed wasn't substantial enough to alter the election).

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Slate.com????????

 

And you want to question my links?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Slate.com????????

 

And you want to question my links?

 

I am not sure where I heard this recently, but "Care to prove this wrong?"

 

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I am not sure where I heard this recently, but "Care to prove this wrong?"

 

 

Already done.

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Already done.

 

 

Really? If you think that you made even the slightest bit of sense, then you are more out of touch than I thought. I was hoping that you had something better in those "thousands of links".

 

Do you also believe that the US government was responsible for 9-11, because your accusations are only slightly less ludicrous?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Coming from the idiot that thinks just because "prohibition ended 30 years before JFK ran for President" he has proven Joe Kennedy didn't accumulate his wealth illegally selling booze this makes me:

 

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Coming from the idiot that thinks just because "prohibition ended 30 years before JFK ran for President" he has proven Joe Kennedy didn't accumulate his wealth illegally selling booze this makes me:

 

Very nice effort in taking things out of context. Two different issues that you are confusing.

1. Joe Kennedy did make quite a bit of the family fortune by bootlegging

2. Despite the conspiracy theories, you have yet to show with any credibility that Joe Kennedy gave JFK the election (which was what I was asking for proof on).

 

The original quote is below, so I would suggest that you spend more time reading and less time trying to call me names when you are being shown to be incorrect. The "little fact" refers to you saying that if Nixon had won Illinois, then he would have been President. That "little fact" was wrong.

 

If you can tie this "little fact" to anything, please do. Otherwise, you have to make sure that you realize that Prohibition ended about 30 years before JFK ran for President. If you think that there was sufficient influence of this sort of thing, then please provide some evidence. Otherwise, I think that you are grasping at straws.

 

 

If you really want to go down this road, then we can start talking about others who have ties to the CIA (which is the king of organized crime), who have gone on to political power.

[Snoopy1 0]

Just 2 of thousands of links for ya Patsfatboy. I could list as much as you want, if I was so inclined, but seeing as how you are oblivious to well known facts about the '60 "election" of Kennedy I thought I would throw you a bone to enlighten you.

 

Oh, and Snoopy/Cyric can blow your "Owned" BS out your dong-stretched ass, you chime in with that lame BS all the time, yet never offer anything along the lines of facts, links, supporting evidence to help your position.

 

Focking idiot.

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Retarded Pilot..again you reading comprehension issues come into play...focking scroll up. I already supported my position you numbskull. Learn to read before opening your stupid focking mouth.

 

Reporter Mazo also visited the Chicago address where 56 Kennedy voters listed their address. What he found was an abandoned, demolished house.

 

How does one match the adresses of those who voted, ballots are secret.

 

Toby, you crack me up!!!

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I already supported my position you numbskull.

 

Yep, a lock solid case you have there, one study by John Binder, a finance professor at UIC.

 

Typical Cyric.

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Reporter Mazo also visited the Chicago address where 56 Kennedy voters listed their address. What he found was an abandoned, demolished house.

 

 

 

Fannin County, Texas had only 4,895 registered voters. BUT 6,138 votes were cast, 75% of which went to Kennedy.

 

Angelina County, Texas: In one precinct, only 86 people voted yet the final tally was 147 for Kennedy, 24 for Nixon.

 

Focking idiot.