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Hillary Clinton's ACTUAL political positions

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Cdub and I were having a gentlemanly disagreement regarding the “liberal-ness” of Hillary Clinton. Cdub refers to her as ultra-liberal and I chafed at the assertion.

 

1. I think it points out, even from Democratic folks, the ignorance of the full spectrum of political thought. The last 10 to 12 years have created a discourse that has dramatically confused the real spectrum. Our countries language has shifted tremendously far to the right, where the most extreme right wing thought is not only voiced, but gets a TV show, the full range of conservativism is on display, but everything left of McCain is bundled into “liberal”. I encourage everyone to go read some Chomsky and learn what the ultra-left really is, then come back and tell me that Hillary is ultra-liberal. Dem’s are moderates.

 

2. Even within the paradigm of today’s discourse, Hillary is not even close to the left on the spectrum. You can spare the effort on searching the right-wingnut-o-sphere to find the Theocracy or Fascist page that says she votes 237% liberal. Her actual published positions and votes don’t play out with the reality of even the middle left.

 

3. The Pugs all say it because they love to hate and galvanize her (and her husband). I am firmly convinced that if Hillary came out in full support of the NRA, Pugs would immediately demand gun control just to avoid the appearance of supporting Hillary.

 

I’m pretty sure that 99% here have no idea what Hillary actually supports, so I gathered up several positions. I’m not defending or attacking any of them, you are welcome to. I will provide cites on request. Don’t bother attacking me, I don’t like her all that much and have no intentions of voting for her. (In the primary)

 

First of all, Hillary is a permanent chair on the DLC. The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) is an organization of self-described "moderate" Democratic politicians and fundraisers who aim to move the Democratic Party right-ward in an attempt to strengthen the viability of Democratic candidates.

The DLC has become extraordinarily controversial in recent years by attacking prominent Democratic politicians that it perceives as standing too far to the left. In 2003 and 2004, DLC chief Al From issued a series of scathing attacks on Democratic primary candidate Howard Dean in e-mails to DLC members and in major newspapers like the Los Angeles Times. These attacks were widely criticized by both centrist and progressive Democrats.

 

2. In 2005, during the intense debate over the filibustering of some of President George W. Bush's federal judicial nominations, Senator Clinton generally kept a low profile. She was not part of the "Gang of 14" that resolved the dispute short of the "nuclear option", but she did vote to endorse that resolution and end debate on the nominations, thereby allowing the nominations to come to a vote. She subsequently voted against three of the nominees, but all were confirmed.

 

3. On November 29, 2005, Clinton, together with Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act. The act is intended to protect children from inappropriate content found in video games. Similar bills have been filed in some U.S. states such as Michigan and Illinois, but were ruled to be unconstitutional.

 

 

4. On June 27, 2006, Clinton voted against the Flag Desecration Amendment, after her attempt to find middle ground by introducing legislation instead against flag burning (but that would pass Constitutional muster) was voted down. The Amendment failed by one vote.

 

 

Religion in Public Schools

Supports the individual's right to pray in school, but doesn't think it should be done in class.

Thinks students should be free to express their religious beliefs in school assignments.

Teaching religion and moral values OK, but only for appropriate educational purposes.

 

Crime

• She supports “Three Strikes” and more prison.

• She thinks that the sentencing for hate crimes should be more strict.

• She believes in DNA testing for all federal executions.

• Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (July 2001)

 

Trade

Much of Hillary’s economic policy doesn’t vary significantly from many pro-capitalist Right wingers. Hillary is been mostly pro-trade.

 

• Voted YES on free trade agreement with Oman. (June 2006)

• Voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (July 2005)

• Voted YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore. (July 2003)

• Voted YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile. (July 2003)

• Voted NO on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)

• Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (October 2001)

• Voted YES on removing common goods from national security export rules. (September 2001)

• Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record.

Agriculture

Hillary has been praised by New York farmers for her understanding of the needs of small farms.

• She wants to preserve critical Farm Bill programs.

• Says New York farmers need disaster and crop insurance.

• Responsible for the 'Farm-to-Fork' initiative, which strives to "connect farmers and producers with distributors, retailers, consumers, farmers markets, restaurateurs, and schools in other parts of the state, particularly New York City."

 

Freedom of Expression

• She believes that expressions such as the Brooklyn Museum’s display of the dung-covered portrait of the Virgin Mary entitled “Sensation” should not result in censure or penalization. (1999)

• Clinton supports making flag burning illegal, but without adopting the constitutional Flag Desecration Amendment to do so. It is speculated that her primary motivation for this view is the desire to be seen as a centrist.

 

Gay Rights

"We ought to be providing domestic partnership benefits for people who are in homosexual and lesbian relationships." - Senator Clinton on February 11, 2000

On December 7, 2003, in an interview with John Roberts of CBS News, Senator Clinton expressed her opposition to same-sex marriage while affirming her support for some form of civil unions for gay couples. "I think that the vast majority of Americans find [gay marriage] to be something they can't agree with. But I think most Americans are fair. And if they believe that people in committed relationships want to share their lives and, not only that, have the same rights that I do in my marriage, to decide who I want to inherit my property or visit me in a hospital, I think that most Americans would think that that's fair and that should be done." Clinton supports the Defense of Marriage Act that allows each state to decide whether to recognize a same-sex marriage performed in another state; it also codifies that for federal purposes, only the marriage of one man and one woman is recognized as valid. Following a 2006 New York State Appeals Court ruling that denied any state constitutional right to same-sex marriage, Clinton reiterated her support for "full equality" under the civil unions mechanism. With politically charged issues (and gay marriage is probably the most politically charged "moral issue" right now) it is always difficult to discern a politician's true feelings on the matter. There are many issues that certain politicians cannot be seen as supportive of, due to unique weak spots in their public image. Regardless of how Hillary feels about gay marriage, it would undoubtedly be unwise for her to campaign in support of it, as the Republican slime machine casts aspersions on her own marriage constantly. They would go wild if she said she supported gay marriage - she would be spun as doing everything in her power to destroy marriage.

On October 25, 2006, Senator Clinton met with LGBT leaders in New York. When asked about her views on gay marriage, she suggested that conversations with her gay friends have caused her position to evolve. She also indicated that her support of civil unions is pragmatic, seeing civil unions as a quicker route to equality of benefits. Hillary stated, "I believe in full equality of benefits, nothing left out. From my perspective there is a greater likelihood of us getting to that point in civil unions or domestic partnerships and that is my very considered assessment." When asked about Eliot Spitzer's crusade for gay marriage in New York, Hillary emphatically stated, "I am not going to speak out against, I'm not going to oppose anything that the governor and the Legislature do."

 

• Wants immigrant partners of Americans to gain citizenship as easily as heterosexual spouses.

• She believes that gays deserve domestic partnership benefits.

• Military service should be based on conduct, not sexual orientation.

• Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (June 2006)

• Voted YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (June 2002)

 

Racial Minorities

On reparations: "We have mental, emotional and psychological reparations to pay first. We have to admit that we haven’t always treated people in our own country fairly. We have some issues that we have to address when it comes to racial justice right now. I’m willing to work hard to be a strong advocate for Civil Rights and human rights here at home and around the world. I want to do everything I can to make sure that the programs and policies that have helped generations of African-Americans have a better life in this country continue. I think we should be focused on the present and on the future. We owe an apology to African-Americans for hundreds of years of slavery." (Senate debate in Manhattan Oct 8, 2000)

On racial profiling: "I disapprove of racial profiling. I’ve spoken out about the need to rebuild trust between our police who put themselves on the line every single day and the communities that they’re pledged to protect. I want to go to the Senate to make sure that our police have the resources and tools they need to do the very best job, but I also want to go to make sure that our communities feel safe and protected." (Senate debate in Manhattan Oct 8, 2000)

 

Women's Rights

At the 1995 UN World Conference on Women, Hillary said, “We must respect the choices that each women makes for herself and her family. If there is one message that echoes forth from this conference, let it be that human rights are women’s rights, and women’s rights are human rights.”

Clinton believes it is a grave violation of human rights:

• when babies are denied food or drowned because they are girls.

• when women and girls are sold into prostitution.

• when women are doused with gasoline, set on fire, and burned because their marriage dowries are too small.

• when individual women are raped in their own communities and women are subjected to rape as a tactic or prize of war.

• when a leading cause of death among women 14 to 49 is the violence they are subjected to by their own relatives.

• when girls are brutalized by genital mutilation.

• when women are denied the right to plan their own families and that includes being forced to have abortions or being sterilized against their will.

 

Abortion

Senator Clinton has been a staunch supporter of the legal right of a woman to end her pregnancy by abortion as determined in the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision of 1973. Clinton considers herself an "anti-abortionist" who believes that the criminalization of abortion will not end its practice. Clinton believes that the acceptance and availability of birth control and sex education can do much to eliminate unwanted pregnancies and reduce abortion. She is firm in her belief that abortion should be legal, safe, and rare.

Hillary has long maintained that being pro-choice is not the same as being pro-abortion. Hillary puts aside her personal views on abortion because she believes that abortion is a constitutional right. Furthermore, she recognizes that it is never enough to change a law - you must change a mind. She is an advocate of teen outreach programs which teach both abstinence and safer-sex. She never supports abstinence-only programs.

• Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (March 2005)

• Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (March 2004)

• Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (March 2003)

• She is endorsed by EMILY's list, a pro-choice PAC.

• Clinton has a NARAL score of 100%, voting pro-choice consistently.

 

Economy

Hillary says that one of her top priorities as a senator is supporting small businesses and entrepreneurs, because they drive economic growth.

 

Corporations

She is financed and backed by global corporations and wall-street as her primary donors. They are cool with her.

• Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (March 2005)

• Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (July 2001)

• Rated 35% by the US COC, indicating a mixed business voting record.

 

Jobs

• The working poor deserve a living wage.

• America can afford to raise the minimum wage.

• Voted YES on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (March 2005)

• Voted NO on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (March 2001)

• Voted YES to increasing the minimum wage. (March 2005)

• Protect overtime pay protections.

• Rated 85% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a pro-union voting record.

 

Trade

• Voted YES on free trade agreement with Oman. (June 2006)

• Voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (July 2005)

• Voted YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore. (July 2003)

• Voted YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile. (July 2003)

• Voted NO on extending free trade to Andean nations. (May 2002)

• Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam. (October 2001)

• Voted YES on removing common goods from national security export rules. (September 2001)

• Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record.

 

Education

Hillary strongly supports public schools, and is interested in updating them with new technology. Clinton is against education vouchers for use at private schools. On September 13, 2000, she said, "I do not support vouchers. And the reason I don’t is because I don’t think we can afford to siphon dollars away from our underfunded public schools."

• Reforms: teacher corps; more federal funding; modernize.

• Opposes merit pay for individual teachers.

• Supports merit pay for entire schools.

• In favor of scholarships for teachers who go to urban schools.

• Address teacher shortage with salary increases.

• Teachers need more peer consulting & more recognition.

• Social promotion cheats our children.

• She wants more after-school programs and smaller classes.

• Metal detectors at school are not much of an intrusion.

• Give kids after-school activities to prevent gangs.

• Supports structured inner-city schools, with uniforms.

• Passing illiterate students is educational fraud.

• Voted YES on $52M for "21st century community learning centers". (October 2005)

• Voted YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (October 2005)

• Voted YES on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (March 2005)

• Voted YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors. (May 2001)

• Voted YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors. (May 2001)

• Voted YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction. (April 2001)

• Rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes.

 

Sex Education

She is an advocate of teen outreach programs which teach both abstinence and safer-sex. She never supports abstinence-only programs.

• Voted NO to amending the AIDS relief bill to require that a third of the funding be used for sexual abstinence-until-marriage programs.

 

Environment

• Senator Clinton stands for clean air and funding the EPA.

• Voted YES on including oil & gas smokestacks in mercury regulations. (September 2005)

• Voted NO on confirming Gale Norton as Secretary of the Interior. (January 2001)

• Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes.

 

Energy Policy

Clinton supports energy conservation and opposes the Bush administration's energy policy.

• Supports oil reserve release & fund conservation.

• Wants to ratify the Kyoto Protocol; more mass transit.

• Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy.

• Voted NO on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (July 2003)

• Voted YES on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (October 2005)

• Voted YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (June 2005)

• Voted NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (March 2002)

• Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (June 2003)

• Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (March 2005)

• Voted YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (March 2003)

• Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (November 2005)

• Voted NO on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (April 2002)

 

Fiscal Responsibility

In her address to the 2000 Democratic National Convention on August 14, 2000, Clinton asserted that it is fiscally responsible for the United States government to stay out of debt. She stressed her support for the social programs, Social Security and Medicare, that were established during the presidency of Franklin Roosevelt. "We’ll never accomplish what we need to do for our children if we burden them with a debt they didn’t create. Franklin Roosevelt said that Americans of his generation had a rendezvous with destiny. It’s time to protect the next generation by using our budget surplus to pay down the national debt, save Social Security, modernize Medicare with a prescription drug benefit, & provide targeted tax cuts to the families who need them most."

In a 2004 fund-raising speech in San Francisco, she was highly critical of George W. Bush's tax cuts, saying that "Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you. We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

Clinton has sponsored legislation designed to reduce the deficit by rebalancing recent tax cuts. She has co-sponsored legislation related to debt and deficit reduction.

 

Foreign Policy

• Engage in world affairs, including human rights.

• Human rights are central to our objectives abroad.

• Keep Cuban embargo; pay UN bills.

• Smartest strategic choice is peace.

• Puerto Rico: Stop using live ammo at Vieques.

• Foreign aid spending is only 1%; lead by remaining engaged.

• Supports micro-loans to third-world women.

• China: criticized authoritarianism with women & children.

• Voted YES on enlarging NATO to include Eastern Europe. (May 2002)

February 2005 she stated that much of Iraq was functioning well, elections in Iraq had succeeded, and that the insurgency there was failing. In July 2005 she co-introduced legislation to increase the size of the regular United States Army by 80,000 soldiers. By late 2005, with domestic debate intensifying over whether and when the U.S. should remove its forces from Iraq, Clinton stated that immediate withdrawal would be "a big mistake", leading to Iraq becoming "a failed state", but that the Bush administration's open-ended commitment to stay in Iraq was also misguided, as it gives Iraqis "an open-ended invitation not to take care of themselves." This centrist and somewhat vague stance caused frustration among the Democratic party's anti-war activists, who have even occasionally protested outside Clinton fundraisers. On June 13, 2006, Clinton was heckled as she restated her long-standing position against setting a timetable for withdrawing U.S forces from Iraq, while speaking in front of left-wing activists at the Take Back America conference in Washington. Though she was applauded while speaking on domestic issues and criticizing President Bush's handling of the war, boos, hisses, and chants where heard when she spoke against a timetable.

She remains Bush’s advocate and Democratic crutch, along with Liebermann on this issue, which may be enough in and of itself, to distance her from the liberal or even moderates.

 

Israel and the Middle East

Clinton is a strong supporter of Israel. At a pro-Israel rally in New York in front of the United Nations on July 18, 2006, Clinton spoke in support of Israel's efforts in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict: "We are here to show solidarity and support for Israel. We will stand with Israel, because Israel is standing for American values as well as Israeli ones."

 

HOMELAND SECURITY

• She supports funding research on missile defense.

• Clinton supports the nuclear test ban treaty.

• Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (March 2006)

• Voted NO on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (December 2005)

• Voted YES on restricting business with entities linked to terrorism. (July 2005)

• Voted YES on restoring $565M for states' and ports' first responders. (March 2005)

 

IMMIGRATION

Clinton has drawn praise from conservative commentators and lawmakers for her tough stance on illegal immigration. Clinton wants to create a system whereby workers can immigrate to the United States legally and be tracked. Senator Clinton has strongly criticized businesses for hiring illegal immigrants.

Clinton took a somewhat different tack on March 8, 2006, when she strongly criticized H.R. 4437, a bill passed by the House of Representatives in December 2005 and sent to the Senate, that would impose harsher penalties for undocumented workers. Clinton called the measure "a rebuke to what America stands for." Furthermore she said that it would be "an unworkable scheme to try to deport 11 million people, which you have to have a police state to try to do." The solution to the illegal immigration problem was, in her opinion, to make "a path to earned citizenship for those who are here, working hard, paying taxes, respecting the law, and willing to meet a high bar for becoming a citizen."

 

Torture

She supported torture just like Cheney and Bush and supported the illegal NSA wire tapping.

 

Here’s some other interesting things that separate her from the left.

 

She was a board member on Wal-Mart for six years. It wasn't until last year that she began having differences with Wal-Mart and returned money that they had dominated to her campaign.

This is an immediate disqualifier for any liberal.

 

 

However, I left these right wing wacko pieces off the table.

 

1. She works for the Chinese government

2. Will sell away national interests such as ports and highways to foreign owned companies.

3. Supports the genocide of the black gangs of California by rival Hispanic gangs

4. Whitewater

5. She had people killed.

 

The Clinton presidency was one of the most inspected and investigated presidencies ever, this is all black helicopter, tinfoil Hannity/Rush blather.

 

But my favorite is that a convicted murderer was castrated by a sheriff and had he balls placed in a jar because he raped one of Hillary and Bill’s distant cousins.

 

If you have contradictory evidence, just post it. (Except the wingnut crap, we all know you are obsessed, we get it, move on.)

Cites were Wiki, her own site, Dkosopedia, the DLC and some other random sites. If you want a specific link, post the section you want and I'll grab it, I'm just too lazy to hyperlink tonight and I've got a big powerpoint to build. I just made this during a meeting today...

 

Hope this helps (edited to make the formatting not as much of a nightmare to read)

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Bump - just to let you know I just saw it, but haven't had the chance to read it.

 

Oh yeah I forgot to call you a liberal commie terrorist that hates America. And you want the terrorist to win because you're a godless demon with no respect for the sanctity of marriage. H0m0 lover.

 

Will that cover it?

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Way too many words, can you just summerize by telling us if we should call her Hitlery or Chairmain Hillary Mao?

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Way too many words, can you just summerize by telling us if we should call her Hitlery or Chairmain Hillary Mao?

 

Hitlery Stalin Clinton is my favorite.

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Way too many words, can you just summerize by telling us if we should call her Hitlery or Chairmain Hillary Mao?

 

 

Madam President, I believe the term will be.

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Hitlery Stalin Clinton is my favorite.

Good one

 

Hitlery Rotton Clit-on

 

a moderate........... :cry: yeah......sure thing. Sounds like an easy sell. Good luck with that.

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POW

 

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 83 percent in 2005-2006.
:clap: :(

 

You coul go on forever.

 

 

kornholed in dallas owned

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Kornholed must have had to slam a HUGE glass of the Kool-aid before posting that drivel. :dunno:

She is so brainwashed into Marxist dogma it isn't even debatable. As evidence I bring you: Hitlerycare, Socialized Medicine at it's worst.

 

Anyone who espouses the Govt. take over 1/7 of the free economy of the United States in one swipe of the pen is dyed in the wool Marxist.

 

End of story.

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Anybody who thinks Hillary is a moderate or anything short of a left wing lune is off their rocker.

 

 

 

She's all but a focking socialist.

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Anybody who thinks Hillary is a moderate or anything short of a left wing lune is off their rocker.

She's all but a focking socialist.

So what would you classify George W. Bush? A moron?

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So what would you classify George W. Bush? A moron?

 

Just on the moderate side of conservative.

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Okay so she's not ultra liberal, but she isn't even close to being a moderate.

 

Brought to you from the Dept. of Redundancy Dept. :huh:

 

She is a Marxist to her cellulite packed core.

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Okay so she's not ultra liberal, but she isn't even close to being a moderate.

 

Well, on a scale from 0 to 10 with a 0 being ultra-liberal and 10 being ultra conservative, I would say that she is a 3.14159265. I would put Bush at a 7.25.

 

 

 

On the huge cankle scale, Hillary is a 10

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Well, on a scale from 0 to 10 with a 0 being ultra-liberal and 10 being ultra conservative, I would say that she is a around a -.0000000000000314159265.

On the huge cankle scale, Hillary is a 10,00,000,000

 

 

Fixored :huh:

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