Stepping on bugs

[naomi 360]

Too lazy to ask it again so I'll c and p.

 

You wouldn't step on a baby duck because that'd be awful. But you would step on an insect. We can't understand the pain expereince because we're not on their level, but since they're so small we subconsciously convince ourselves it's not bad. If we COULD experience it once maybe we'd never step on them again.

 

Guessing this is one of those questions people ask themselves at some point Not from a super sensitive place neccesarily but just because.

[thePIMPmaster 0]

It's crossed my mind.

[Guest Davaco]

ducks are cute, bugs arent. and bugs can kill you

[DuckStupid 40]

Hey, did someone step on a duck?

 

ducks are cute

 

How you doin. :blush:

[Electric Mayhem 35]

I think it has to do with brain power. insects are too 'dumb' to suffer from a squashing, while a duckling would most definitely experience the pain.

 

I think the same rationale is behind early pregger abortions - no?

[davebg 0]

I guess next you're going to tell me how I shouldn't be wearing my full length cockroach coat b/c it's inhumane to the bugs, you focking hippie.

[naomi 360]

I think it has to do with brain power. insects are too 'dumb' to suffer from a squashing, while a duckling would most definitely experience the pain.

 

 

Maybe how dumb they are has nothing to do with how intense of pain they feel.

[kutulu 1,701]

Don't be a pussie and step on a bug, instead eat a bug alive.

[Guest Davaco]

Maybe how dumb they are has nothing to do with how intense of pain they feel.

 

they dont feel pain though, ditto for fish. they lack the cognitave reasoning to understand what pain is.

 

try this, turn on a burner on your stove top, then put your hand on it, it hurts casue you know its gonna hurt.

[naomi 360]

they dont feel pain though, ditto for fish. they lack the cognitave reasoning to understand what pain is.

 

try this, turn on a burner on your stove top, then put your hand on it, it hurts casue you know its gonna hurt.

 

 

Hmmm. I figured there was a physical sensory nature to them and it's independent of their cognitive intelligence, just dependent on consciousness.

 

With the burner, it hurts even if you didn't think it would hurt right? But I think you might have something here.

[D_House 0]

they dont feel pain though, ditto for fish. they lack the cognitave reasoning to understand what pain is.

 

try this, turn on a burner on your stove top, then put your hand on it, it hurts casue you know its gonna hurt.

[naomi 360]

independent of their cognitive intelligence

 

Cognitive covers pain perception so indepent of all other intelligence*

[beercat 5]

What if the duck steps on the bug?

[Big_Pete 0]

it's all about the nerves sending "pain" signals to your brain, which tells you it hurts....

if bugs lack the brain power for this function, it is impossible for them to feel pain.

You could rip their legs off, twist their heads etc... and they will feel no pain at all, cause they lack the proper physical features needed to feel pain.

[naomi 360]

Insects have a ganglionic nervous system, in contrast to the central

nervous system of vertebrates. Such a system is characterized by local

aggregates of neurons, called ganglia, that are associated with, and

specialized for, the body segment with which they are co-located. There

are interconnections between ganglia but these connections function not so

much as a global integrating pathway, but rather for local segmental

coordination. For example, the waves of leg motion that propagate along

the body of a centipede are mediated by the intersegmental connections.

In some species the cephalic ganglia are large and complex enough to

support very complex behavior (e.g., the lobster and octopus). The

cuttlefish (not an insect but another invertebrate with a ganglionic

nervous system) is claimed by some to be about as intelligent as a dog.

Insects are capable of primitive learning and do exhibit what many would

characterize as intelligence. Spiders are known for their skills and

craftiness; whether this can all be dismissed as instinct is arguable.

Certainly, bees can learn in a limited way. When offered a reward from a

perch of a certain color, they return first to perches of that color. They

also learn the location of food and transmit that information to their

colleagues. The learning, however, tends to be highly specialized and

applicable to only limited domains.

 

In addition to a primitive mental life as described above, there is some

evidence that insects can experience pain and suffering. The earthworm

nervous system, for example, secretes an opiate substance when the

earthworm is injured. Similar responses are seen in vertebrates and are

generally accepted to be a mechanism for the attenuation of pain. On the

other hand, the opiates are also implicated in functions not associated

with analgesia, such as thermoregulation and appetite control. Nevertheless,

the association of secretion with tissue injury is highly suggestive.

Earthworms also wriggle quite vigorously when impaled on a hook. In

possible opposition to this are other observations. For example, the

abdomen of a feeding wasp can be clipped off and the head may go on

sucking (presumably in no distress?).

Singer quotes three criteria for deciding if an organism has the

capacity to suffer from pain: 1) there are behavioral indications, 2)

there is an appropriate nervous system, and 3) there is an evolutionary

usefulness for the experience of pain. These criteria seem to be satisfied

for insects, if only in a primitive way.

[DuckStupid 40]

I stepped on a baby duck back when I was a teenager. It wasn't as awful as I thought it might be. The thing didn't make a quack sound or anything, it just died. Maybe ducks are stupid too?

[KSB2424 3,172]

As children, my brother and I would catch grasshoppers, pull their back legs off and put them in a homemade aquarium where our pet turtle "Spike" resided. We would then watch with amazement as Spike would slowly descend upon the feeble grasshopper and rapidly extend his head out to gobble them up.

 

Good times

[D_House 0]

One of the key aspects of my job is the systematic torture and murder of hundreds of thousands of insects.

[naomi 360]

One paper that comes up a lot in searching under the topic gives a lot of reasoning that comes out to "probably(they do percieve pain), but we don't know for sure." That seems to be the word all around.

[Guest Davaco]

One of the key aspects of my job is the systematic torture and murder of hundreds of thousands of insects.

 

phillybear?

[Yer mom 2]

The bugs and I have a telepathic agreement, they dont appear in my house where I can see them, and I dont leave their dead carcas as as an example of what will happen to their friends if I do.

[D_House 0]

phillybear?

replace insects with people, and that might be an accurate description of the persona that phillybear chooses to adopt on this forearm. i think he's actually a social worker or some other gov't worker.

[Guest Davaco]

replace insects with people, and that might be an accurate description of the persona that phillybear chooses to adopt on this forearm. i think he's actually a social worker or some other gov't worker.

 

i say we out him and get him fired, but then again, you cant get fired if he is in a union

[Eagles Green 34]

I like to pull the wings off of a housefly. Then I fill the bathtub with enough water to cover the shaft of my erect pen1s, leaving my head out in the air. I place the wingless fly on my helmet, letting him roam free on his purple island.

 

 

 

Bugs are fun.

[davebg 0]

As children, my brother and I would catch grasshoppers, pull their back legs off and put them in a homemade aquarium where our pet turtle "Spike" resided. We would then watch with amazement as Spike would slowly descend upon the feeble grasshopper and rapidly extend his head out to gobble them up.

 

Good times

Yeah, when I was a kid I'd catch fireflies, throw them in the toilet, turn off the lights, flush and enjoy the light show.

[KSB2424 3,172]

I like to pull the wings off of a housefly. Then I fill the bathtub with enough water to cover the shaft of my erect pen1s, leaving my head out in the air. I place the wingless fly on my helmet, letting him roam free on his purple island.

Bugs are fun.

 

I don't know whether to laugh, vomit, or cry.

[D_House 0]

I don't know whether to laugh, vomit, or cry.

i just did all three! what a mess!

[naomi 360]

I like to pull the wings off of a housefly. Then I fill the bathtub with enough water to cover the shaft of my erect pen1s, leaving my head out in the air. I place the wingless fly on my helmet, letting him roam free on his purple island.

Bugs are fun.

 

[Yer mom 2]

I like to pull the wings off of a housefly. Then I fill the bathtub with enough water to cover the shaft of my erect pen1s, leaving my head out in the air. I place the wingless fly on my helmet, letting him roam free on his purple island.

Bugs are fun.

 

 

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