Per TNG's request

[VikesNation 0]

What kind of sand?

Really really dumb sand.

[Jessy 0]

Brad Pitt

 

Wrong! It's Vince Vaughn.

[dolfan06 1]

Really really dumb sand.

 

I guess you're implying that Paris Hilton is pretty dumb, if you're comparing her to sand?

[Brown Eyed Girl 1]

I'm confused on this one, Pete. Both have gone through some bad things in life, yet one is weak and the other is strong? Why? Because TNG considered suicide? She had depression. People with depression consider suicide, just like people who are alcoholics consider having a drink. Different diseases. I wonder how Sawilson's self esteem was doing when she was at the worst point of her alcoholism? Awfully judgemental of you to call her a weaker person.

 

I think it's fair to say that both of them have found themselves in the weakest and most vulnerable places that they ever thought they'd find themselves to be. It appears that Saw found the strength to overcome the hell that her life had become and she fought hard to pull herself up and out of that. Now she is reaping the benefits of her efforts by enjoying how wonderful her life has become. She's proud of herself and she should be. I'm sure she reminds herself every day where she's been and that probably helps keep her pushing forward to make sure that she never goes back to the place she left.

 

Sounds like TNG also recognized that things were as bad as they could get for her. Experiencing that pain made her find her own strength to make things better in the form of seeking help for herself to feel good again and become emotionally healthy. NewGirl, I'm sure you know that depression is nothing to take lightly - especially when it reaches levels that you seem to have gone to. I wish you continued success in working through this. Whatever you do, don't give up - you'll see that one day all of your efforts will have paid off and you will feel great once again.

 

Instead of bashing eachother for your weaknesses - you should both be supporting eachother for finding your own strengths to overcome.

[TAS 2]

I think it's fair to say that both of them have found themselves in the weakest and most vulnerable places that they ever thought they'd find themselves to be. It appears that Saw found the strength to overcome the hell that her life had become and she fought hard to pull herself up and out of that. Now she is reaping the benefits of her efforts by enjoying how wonderful her life has become. She's proud of herself and she should be. I'm sure she reminds herself every day where she's been and that probably helps keep her pushing forward to make sure that she never goes back to the place she left.

 

Sounds like TNG also recognized that things were as bad as they could get for her. Experiencing that pain made her find her own strength to make things better in the form of seeking help for herself to feel good again and become emotionally healthy. NewGirl, I'm sure you know that depression is nothing to take lightly - especially when it reaches levels that you seem to have gone to. I wish you continued success in working through this. Whatever you do, don't give up - you'll see that one day all of your efforts will have paid off and you will feel great.

 

Instead of bashing eachother for your weaknesses - you should both be supporting eachother for finding your own strengths to overcome.

Here you go again with your words of wisdom and great advice. Christ, you should write for Hallmark!

 

How you doin'?

[Jeremy 0]

maybe because 1 person pulled themselves out of it and doing better than ever, and the other didn't pull herself out of it, her heavily medicating herself did. HTH

medication is for the weak minded, but that's just my opinion.

If TFG and Saw's situations were reversed, I'd be ripping on Saw instead.

 

You might want to ask your girlfriend there if she "pulled herself out of it." From what I understand of alcoholism, it takes a lot of help and support from others. I could be wrong, but I believe one of the things they teach is that you can't go it alone.

 

To say medication is for the weak minded makes me think you don't really understand depression. You don't just "pull yourself out of" depression.

 

TNG was wrong to call Saw and everyone else names, but I don't think she's weak.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Can we please stop with the wimmens having an online catfight?

 

Let's have all of you "women" get together, have a couple of glasses of wine, watch "Ya-Ya Sisterhood", hug a little, get into a little pillow fight, and then get into some major scissor-kicking or some strap-on action.

 

TIA

[Big_Pete 0]

Can we please stop with the wimmens having an online catfight?

 

Let's have all of you "women" get together, have a couple of glasses of wine, watch "Ya-Ya Sisterhood", hug a little, get into a little pillow fight, and then get into some major scissor-kicking or some strap-on action.

 

TIA

here here

 

You might want to ask your girlfriend there if she "pulled herself out of it." From what I understand of alcoholism, it takes a lot of help and support from others. I could be wrong, but I believe one of the things they teach is that you can't go it alone.

 

To say medication is for the weak minded makes me think you don't really understand depression. You don't just "pull yourself out of" depression.

 

TNG was wrong to call Saw and everyone else names, but I don't think she's weak.

you're right... having friends encourage you with words, and having a shrink tell you "here, take these meds, it's the easy way out, that way you don't have to rely on your mind being strong enough to integrate a loving, nurturing, healthy lifestyle, they'll numb you to the pain so that you can tollerate your self loathing" are the same thing.

My bad, thanks for putting me in my place

seriously though, I do hope TNG gets better and can get off the meds. I honestly believe that your mind is powerful enough to pull you out of any depression or personal angst. You just need to be a strong enough person to realize that, and THINK, yes, think your way through it. It's our mind that separates us from animals... that, and opposable thumbs

[Snoopy1 0]

Can we please stop with the wimmens having an online catfight?

 

Let's have all of you "women" get together, have a couple of glasses of wine, watch "Ya-Ya Sisterhood", hug a little, get into a little pillow fight, and then get into some major scissor-kicking or some strap-on action.

 

TIA

 

 

I suggested that for Add!ct and STC and was soundly ignored.

[Big_Pete 0]

I suggested that for Add!ct and STC and was soundly ignored.

shame on them

[stop talking cheerleader 0]

I suggested that for Add!ct and STC and was soundly ignored.

 

Addict abd I are friends, no cat fights here

[kpbuckeye 3]

maybe because 1 person pulled themselves out of it and doing better than ever, and the other didn't pull herself out of it, her heavily medicating herself did. HTH

medication is for the weak minded, but that's just my opinion.

If TFG and Saw's situations were reversed, I'd be ripping on Saw instead.

 

What are you tom cruise?

 

Are you saying that people with depression are weak if they take meds?

[kutulu 1,676]

 

My bad, thanks for putting me in my place

seriously though, I do hope TNG gets better and can get off the meds. I honestly believe that your mind is powerful enough to pull you out of any depression or personal angst. You just need to be a strong enough person to realize that, and THINK, yes, think your way through it. It's our mind that separates us from animals... that, and opposable thumbs

 

This may be true for some people, but not so true for others. You can't think yourself out of a chemical imbalance in your noggin. Just sayin.

[Big_Pete 0]

Addict abd I are friends, no cat fights here

that's even hotter.... the friends who get into a fight

[Jessy 0]

What are you tom cruise?

 

Are you saying that people with depression are weak if they take meds?

 

That's how I read it. Apparently, Big Pete is so mentally strong he could overcome chemical imbalances in his brain through sheer force of will. Just one more reason the ladies swoon over him.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Addict abd I are friends, no cat fights here

 

If you are friends, there is nothing that says you can't skip straight to the scissor-kicking and/or strap-on action. Grasshopper, the journey is not important, but the destination is the key.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That and taking videos of the blessed event

[Guest Black Label Society]

This is the dumbest thread ever.

 

I would not make fun of TNG for having depression issues. Been there...done that.

It's NOT an easy road. It's definately part of the reason I drank so much in my past.

 

Learning to cope with either is not easy, as I have some rather intimate knowledge.

That being said....with anything in your life, IMO, all it takes is GUTS to break out of anything.

 

that may seem awfully shallow to some, but it's much deeper than you may know.

 

In any case, I didn't want to preach. I just don't like personal attacks, especially ones that sure fire at the heart of some nasty issues.

 

I propose we make a geek appreciation thread and move past this BS.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I propose we make a geek appreciation thread and move past this BS.

I assume that you mean everything other than what I have suggested. Right?

[Big_Pete 0]

What are you tom cruise?

 

Are you saying that people with depression are weak if they take meds?

I'm not a scientologist

I do believe that meds is the "easy way out"

I see nothing wrong with shrinks, nothing at all... it's the pill perscribing shrinks that I have a problem with. They just dish out meds to numb their patients, that way they can appear to be competent, cause their patients are so numb that they no longer want to hurt themselves... all the time, the problems inside their head aren't going away, they are just being covered up.

 

This may be true for some people, but not so true for others. You can't think yourself out of a chemical imbalance in your noggin. Just sayin.

chemical imbalances must not have existed 15 years ago

I have family members and close friends who have depression, and "chemical imbalances" and have been/are suicidal... and I call BS on it all. They are all just looking for the easy way out, the quick fix. And having a doctor say that you have a chemical imbalance and perscribe meds makes them feel instantly better, they jump all over it like a donut at a weight watchers convention.

maybe there are "chemical imbalances" because when people start getting bummed out, they change their life patterns, whether it be sleep, diet, work, etc... and that causes changes in their bodies... it's nothing they were born with, but it is something they allowed to happen, and something they could work their way through without medication.

again, just my opinion, I'm not a doctor.

btw, I voted for ya kutulu

[Brown Eyed Girl 1]

What are you tom cruise?

 

Are you saying that people with depression are weak if they take meds?

 

Taking meds to treat and help you through depression does not make a person any weaker than someone who can get through their depression without meds.

 

Often times people can become so deeply depressed that everything seems hopeless to them and they can barely find the strength to function simple daily tasks, much less get themselves out of bed and get through the day. Meds, combined with routine therapy can excel the progress that can be made with people who are this deeply depressed. Some people look at it as 'failure' if they cannot work through their issues without meds.... this is simply not true. It isn't anything to look down upon.

[BMoney 0]

no Dr Phil alias?

 

this place is slippin

 

has the terri shaivo alias gone away?

[TheNewGirl 1,480]

here here

you're right... having friends encourage you with words, and having a shrink tell you "here, take these meds, it's the easy way out, that way you don't have to rely on your mind being strong enough to integrate a loving, nurturing, healthy lifestyle, they'll numb you to the pain so that you can tollerate your self loathing" are the same thing.

My bad, thanks for putting me in my place

seriously though, I do hope TNG gets better and can get off the meds. I honestly believe that your mind is powerful enough to pull you out of any depression or personal angst. You just need to be a strong enough person to realize that, and THINK, yes, think your way through it. It's our mind that separates us from animals... that, and opposable thumbs

 

 

Again, Pete, you know nothing of my situation. You don't know how long I have dealt with depression, and that meds were my absolute LAST resort. Not sure if you were around when I posted about meeting iwth my doctor a few months ago to discuss going on them. I DO NOT want to be on meds, and I find it terribly funny that you throw around the "heavily medicated" several times, when you do not even know what I am on, or the dosages there of (and can tell you that I am not even taking the total dose prescribed to me, because I don't want to be on them). The dose I am on is NOTHING in comparison to a few others I know - that take multiple meds to cope with "life." My medication does not cause me to be inebriated in anyway, and it doesn't cause me to black out, or do other crazy things that peple who SELF-medicate do.

 

Some people need medication for short periods of time to pull themselves out of things that they are in. And while those with addictions CAN pull themselves out, they need people to support them, they find themselves getting addicted to other things, and it's not just a matter of being weak or strong. They go into 12-step programs because it's HELPFUL to them. There aren't any "group support" for depression, and I have found myself in "group therapy" sessions - I DO NOT function well in them.

 

If you think that being suicidal is a weakness, it takes MUCH more strength than I think you will EVAH realize to admit that you DO have a problem, that pulling that trigger is NOT going to help ANYONE, and that going and getting help takes A LOT. TALKING about the problems that you have, especially the taboo ones like depression/anxiety is hard. Finding someone who understands what I am going through - EXTREMELY difficult, esp. when the person I love the absolute most looks at me and says, "Don't worry about it...you will be fine." Or, looking at my MOM and saying, "This is what's going on...why I haven't been able to leave the house for the last 6 months, and why I am SCARED to DEATH of going on that trip with you..."

 

My husband and I won a cruise to Mexico, the sh!t hasn't even been PLANNED yet and I am sitting here thinking of reasons to not go.

 

I have to drive to San Francisco later today for work - a 1 1/2 hour drive, and I am out of my FOCKING mind. But am I going to go? YES. Because the only thing that is going to get me through these thing IS FACING them. I don't lie to anyone else and I certainly do not lie to myself. I have done that for far to long.

 

Whatever, Pete. And you calling me "TFG" is real mature.

[Franknbeans 46]

Quick edit on the "he's not doing either," eh?

 

What exactly are his qualities for marriage material again?

you need a talk show Jerry, you are the dysfunctional Dr. Phil of this board

[phillybear 366]

maybe there are "chemical imbalances"

 

My Chemical Imbalance. Has a familiar ring to it.

[Jessy 0]

just my opinion, I'm not a doctor.

 

Obviously.

[kutulu 1,676]

I'm not a scientologist

I do believe that meds is the "easy way out"

I see nothing wrong with shrinks, nothing at all... it's the pill perscribing shrinks that I have a problem with. They just dish out meds to numb their patients, that way they can appear to be competent, cause their patients are so numb that they no longer want to hurt themselves... all the time, the problems inside their head aren't going away, they are just being covered up.

chemical imbalances must not have existed 15 years ago

I have family members and close friends who have depression, and "chemical imbalances" and have been/are suicidal... and I call BS on it all. They are all just looking for the easy way out, the quick fix. And having a doctor say that you have a chemical imbalance and perscribe meds makes them feel instantly better, they jump all over it like a donut at a weight watchers convention.

maybe there are "chemical imbalances" because when people start getting bummed out, they change their life patterns, whether it be sleep, diet, work, etc... and that causes changes in their bodies... it's nothing they were born with, but it is something they allowed to happen, and something they could work their way through without medication.

again, just my opinion, I'm not a doctor.

btw, I voted for ya kutulu

 

 

Ever see a little kid who is depressed/anxiety/etc.?

[stop talking cheerleader 0]

again, just my opinion, I'm not a doctor.

 

 

no sh!t

 

Obviously.

 

Just saw this...guess it caught both of us

[Big_Pete 0]

Again, Pete, you know nothing of my situation. You don't know how long I have dealt with depression, and that meds were my absolute LAST resort. Not sure if you were around when I posted about meeting iwth my doctor a few months ago to discuss going on them. I DO NOT want to be on meds, and I find it terribly funny that you throw around the "heavily medicated" several times, when you do not even know what I am on, or the dosages there of (and can tell you that I am not even taking the total dose prescribed to me, because I don't want to be on them). The dose I am on is NOTHING in comparison to a few others I know - that take multiple meds to cope with "life." My medication does not cause me to be inebriated in anyway, and it doesn't cause me to black out, or do other crazy things that peple who SELF-medicate do.

 

Some people need medication for short periods of time to pull themselves out of things that they are in. And while those with addictions CAN pull themselves out, they need people to support them, they find themselves getting addicted to other things, and it's not just a matter of being weak or strong. They go into 12-step programs because it's HELPFUL to them. There aren't any "group support" for depression, and I have found myself in "group therapy" sessions - I DO NOT function well in them.

 

If you think that being suicidal is a weakness, it takes MUCH more strength than I think you will EVAH realize to admit that you DO have a problem, that pulling that trigger is NOT going to help ANYONE, and that going and getting help takes A LOT. TALKING about the problems that you have, especially the taboo ones like depression/anxiety is hard. Finding someone who understands what I am going through - EXTREMELY difficult, esp. when the person I love the absolute most looks at me and says, "Don't worry about it...you will be fine." Or, looking at my MOM and saying, "This is what's going on...why I haven't been able to leave the house for the last 6 months, and why I am SCARED to DEATH of going on that trip with you..."

 

My husband and I won a cruise to Mexico, the sh!t hasn't even been PLANNED yet and I am sitting here thinking of reasons to not go.

 

I have to drive to San Francisco later today for work - a 1 1/2 hour drive, and I am out of my FOCKING mind. But am I going to go? YES. Because the only thing that is going to get me through these thing IS FACING them. I don't lie to anyone else and I certainly do not lie to myself. I have done that for far to long.

 

Whatever, Pete. And you calling me "TFG" is real mature.

glad to hear you are taking less than what was perscribed to you

just make sure you make it temporary.

Ohh, and your network of support (husband/mom/etc...) are probably the wrong ones if all they say is "don't worry about it... you will be fine", cause truth be told, you do need to worry about it, and you won't be ok if you don't. Just sayin....

I felt bad for the "TFG" posts I wrote, and you'll see it in the fact that when I had that code you quoted, I referred to you as TNG, cause with a serious problem like yours, calling names isn't appropriate, and I realized that.

[kpbuckeye 3]

I'm not a scientologist

I do believe that meds is the "easy way out"

I see nothing wrong with shrinks, nothing at all... it's the pill perscribing shrinks that I have a problem with. They just dish out meds to numb their patients, that way they can appear to be competent, cause their patients are so numb that they no longer want to hurt themselves... all the time, the problems inside their head aren't going away, they are just being covered up.

chemical imbalances must not have existed 15 years ago

I have family members and close friends who have depression, and "chemical imbalances" and have been/are suicidal... and I call BS on it all. They are all just looking for the easy way out, the quick fix. And having a doctor say that you have a chemical imbalance and perscribe meds makes them feel instantly better, they jump all over it like a donut at a weight watchers convention.

maybe there are "chemical imbalances" because when people start getting bummed out, they change their life patterns, whether it be sleep, diet, work, etc... and that causes changes in their bodies... it's nothing they were born with, but it is something they allowed to happen, and something they could work their way through without medication.

again, just my opinion, I'm not a doctor.

btw, I voted for ya kutulu

 

just bc meds were not around 15 years ago, doesn't mean it not valid. it just means many people have been helped. I was diagnosed with SAD a few years back. I need to be in the sun more than most bc my body doesn't effectivly convert vitamin D. In the spring summer and fall i rarely notice anything, but in winter if we go a few days with out the sun, my body acts strange. just as a diabetic has issues with insulin. mine is rarely noticable, but i imagine there are people out there whose bodies have a harder time converting the sunlight more than me as well as other chemical imbalances. there is a reason people think tom is a crackpot and its not just bc of scientology. Using your example, a heart patient should have a strong enough heart and should be able to get along without pills. see what i am saying here?

[Guest Black Label Society]

Obviously.

 

Yeah, I gotta agree with you here Jessy.

 

Big Pete....I don't have any problems with ya per se, but to say that depression is something that people 'allow' themselves to get into is a fuckin crock of dogshit. Or to say it isn't a chemical imbalance is just ignorant on your part.

 

Did they have depression 15 years ago...yep. I'm sure it's been around forever.

I certainly know what it's like. Try it for a day...then tell me how easy it is to walk around every day worried when people are laughing, that they might be laughing at you. worried that everyone around you doesn't like you. that life seems like an insurmountable mountain, and you often wonder..why go on?

 

I've kicked mine for the most part because I simply try to change everything about me I don't like.

If I'm overweight, I stopped using it as another reason to pile more on the shitsandwich I eat everyday.

I did somethign about it.

If I'm not making enough at work, or don't like my job, I pick up a book.

 

It's called work, and I've found that nothing in this world will improve your self esteem more than working hard at something.

 

Yes...you've hit a nerve.

[Big_Pete 0]

Ever see a little kid who is depressed/anxiety/etc.?

anxiety, yes... depressed, like seriously seriously "wanna kill themselves" depressed, no, not in kids.

if it is a little kid, then yes, I'll buy the chemical imbalance thing, cause they are so young, that it stands a chance they were born like that.

I just don't buy it in full grown adults.

[KSB2424 3,148]

anxiety, yes... depressed, like seriously seriously "wanna kill themselves" depressed, no, not in kids.

if it is a little kid, then yes, I'll buy the chemical imbalance thing, cause they are so young, that it stands a chance they were born like that.

I just don't buy it in full grown adults.

 

You suck at life.

[Jessy 0]

anxiety, yes... depressed, like seriously seriously "wanna kill themselves" depressed, no, not in kids.

if it is a little kid, then yes, I'll buy the chemical imbalance thing, cause they are so young, that it stands a chance they were born like that.

I just don't buy it in full grown adults.

 

That's probably because a lot of that stuff doesn't develop until you're out of childhood. Your brain develops as you age, just like your body grows. Don't be afraid of it, Big Pete. Science is neat!

[SWC 0]

I'm not a scientologist

I do believe that meds is the "easy way out"

I see nothing wrong with shrinks, nothing at all... it's the pill perscribing shrinks that I have a problem with. They just dish out meds to numb their patients, that way they can appear to be competent, cause their patients are so numb that they no longer want to hurt themselves... all the time, the problems inside their head aren't going away, they are just being covered up.

chemical imbalances must not have existed 15 years ago

I have family members and close friends who have depression, and "chemical imbalances" and have been/are suicidal... and I call BS on it all. They are all just looking for the easy way out, the quick fix. And having a doctor say that you have a chemical imbalance and perscribe meds makes them feel instantly better, they jump all over it like a donut at a weight watchers convention.

maybe there are "chemical imbalances" because when people start getting bummed out, they change their life patterns, whether it be sleep, diet, work, etc... and that causes changes in their bodies... it's nothing they were born with, but it is something they allowed to happen, and something they could work their way through without medication.

again, just my opinion, I'm not a doctor.

btw, I voted for ya kutulu

 

... and 30 years ago a lot of people's listed cause of death was"natural causes." It must be that cancer, and heart conditions, etc., which were harder to diagnose given the state of the art at that time "must not have existed."

 

The next time you see a chemotherapy-ridden cancer patient, I sure hope you go and tell them that they're "taking the easy way out."

 

[Big_Pete 0]

just bc meds were not around 15 years ago, doesn't mean it not valid. it just means many people have been helped. I was diagnosed with SAD a few years back. I need to be in the sun more than most bc my body doesn't effectivly convert vitamin D. In the spring summer and fall i rarely notice anything, but in winter if we go a few days with out the sun, my body acts strange. just as a diabetic has issues with insulin. mine is rarely noticable, but i imagine there are people out there whose bodies have a harder time converting the sunlight more than me as well as other chemical imbalances. there is a reason people think tom is a crackpot and its not just bc of scientology. Using your example, a heart patient should have a strong enough heart and should be able to get along without pills. see what i am saying here?

you and I both know that that is just ridiculous.

the thing that seperates us from animals is our ability to think, to reason, etc.... it's our minds!

either way, I'm done with this. I know when I'm out numbered, when I'll come off looking like such a focktard that even if/when I say something that makes complete sense, it'll be taken the wrong way, so I'm through defending my view of depression.

I really hope TNG get's better. I'm not a mean person, not a hateful person. I don't wish harm on anyone (not even GFIAFP). I just sometimes get pissed and go on the attack when people attack other people I care about, know what I mean?

Anyways, hope you get better TNG, hope you get off the meds and feel "alive" again

[kutulu 1,676]

... and 30 years ago a lot of people's listed cause of deaht was"natural causes." It must be that cancer, and heart conditions, etc., which were harder to diagnose given the state of the art at that time "must not have existed."

 

The next time you see a chemotherapy-ridden cancer patient, I sure hope you go and tell them that they're "taking the easy way out."

 

 

People with cancer are weak minded...it's just mutated cells for big pete's sake!

[Big_Pete 0]

Yeah, I gotta agree with you here Jessy.

 

Big Pete....I don't have any problems with ya per se, but to say that depression is something that people 'allow' themselves to get into is a fuckin crock of dogshit. Or to say it isn't a chemical imbalance is just ignorant on your part.

 

Did they have depression 15 years ago...yep. I'm sure it's been around forever.

I certainly know what it's like. Try it for a day...then tell me how easy it is to walk around every day worried when people are laughing, that they might be laughing at you. worried that everyone around you doesn't like you. that life seems like an insurmountable mountain, and you often wonder..why go on?

 

I've kicked mine for the most part because I simply try to change everything about me I don't like.

If I'm overweight, I stopped using it as another reason to pile more on the shitsandwich I eat everyday.

I did somethign about it.

If I'm not making enough at work, or don't like my job, I pick up a book.

 

It's called work, and I've found that nothing in this world will improve your self esteem more than working hard at something.

 

Yes...you've hit a nerve.

who says I don't know exactly what everyone went through

Oh, and you basically are saying exactly what I said, just in a much more PC way.

[SWC 0]

People with cancer are weak minded...it's just mutated cells for big pete's sake!

 

Complete wusses. They should just power-think the cancer away. IT'S ALL ABOUT WILL POWER.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

We are really getting away on too many tangents and away from the most important thing in all of this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can we please get back to the scissor-kicking and/or strap-on action between the ladies?  I was almost finished

[BMoney 0]

I get it now....

 

 

this is the BS thread.....

 

all of these solutions to others problems is just bs...right? kind of a pre-april fools thread...

 

Im NO doctor..but Ive played one from time to time....

 

TNG, no matter how sucky it seems..live for your kids...it may suck hard to deal with the next day but remember..theres always better days...and your kids are worth being there for...

 

(look, its Tony Robbins )