Tony Blair rips into British muslims, says they're absurd

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Where has this guy been? We need a whoooooooole lot more of this from rational leaders.

 

 

 

 

Blair launches stinging attack on 'absurd' British Islamists

 

 

Nicholas Watt, political editor

Sunday July 1, 2007

The Observer

 

Tony Blair has launched a powerful attack on 'absurd' British Islamists who have nurtured a false 'sense of grievance' that they are being oppressed by Britain and the United States.

 

In his most outspoken remarks on Islamists, the former Prime Minister warns that Britain is in danger of losing the battle against terrorists unless mainstream society confronts the threat.

 

Blair's remarks, in which he also attacks some civil liberty campaigners as 'loopy loo', were made in a Channel 4 documentary recorded last Tuesday on the eve of his departure from Downing Street.

 

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'The idea that as a Muslim in this country that you don't have the freedom to express your religion or your views, I mean you've got far more freedom in this country than you do in most Muslim countries,' Blair told Observer columnist Will Hutton, who presents the documentary.

 

'The reason we are finding it hard to win this battle is that we're not actually fighting it properly. We're not actually standing up to these people and saying, "It's not just your methods that are wrong, your ideas are absurd. Nobody is oppressing you. Your sense of grievance isn't justified."'

 

Blair held out the example of the overthrow of the Taliban in Afghanistan - criticised by Islamists as an example of the heavy-handed imperial West oppressing Muslims - to highlight unfounded claims of grievance. He asked how it is possible to claim that Afghanistan's Muslims are being oppressed when the Taliban 'used to execute teachers for teaching girls in schools'.

 

Blair added: 'How are [we] oppressing them? You're oppressing them when you support the people who are trying to blow them up.'

 

Blair, who normally chooses his language carefully when he talks about Islamists, also takes a swipe at critics who accused him of undermining civil liberties. 'When I'm trying to change the law in order to make it easier to deport people who engage in terrorism - the idea that that's an assault on hundreds of years of British civil liberties is completely absurd. Some of what is written on this is loopy-loo in its extremism.'

 

 

 

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/st...2115929,00.html

[Ron Paul for President 2008 0]

Muslims are generally from 3rd world countries, or the decendants of people from 3rd world countries who were suddenly thrown into the modern age and expected to adapt....they are the same savage beasts they have always been, why do we expect them to change because we allow them to live with civilized folk?

 

If you took a pride of lions and released them into NYC, would you expect them, or even there great grand children to suddenly stop being the savage killing machines they are?

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Time for all Western nations to expel them from their countries. Muslims are not American.

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The vast majority of practicing Muslims are good people, devoted to their religion. Unfortunately the exitence of fringe practitioners who seek to exploit the poor and uneducated followers is at a high enough level to create problems.

 

Fundamentalism exists in all religions, but not all religions glorify, romanticize or encourage the murder of others to further a political agenda.

 

The rhetoric of Islamic fundamentalism should be treated as hate speech, for that is all it truly is. Islam is a peaceful religion, those who pervert it should be treated as criminals...not merely by western authority, but within their own religion as well.

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Time for all Western nations to expel them from their countries. Muslims are not American.

 

 

good luck with that

[bubba franks 0]

How convenient that he waits until he's out of office to show a backbone in addressing homegrown Islamists. Woo!

[Cyber Gandalf 0]

Bliar is a proven liar...don't believe a word he says.

[YoMan 0]

Bliar is a proven liar...don't believe a word he says.

So what do you disagree with in the statement that he released today?

[Cyber Gandalf 0]

So what do you disagree with in the statement that he released today?

Yes...Islam is the most peaceful religion. He's absurd!

[bubba franks 0]

The vast majority of practicing Muslims are good people, devoted to their religion.

 

How good can they be when their prophet is a pedophile?

[Voltaire 5,316]

Islamists are Loopy-loo.

[naomi 356]

The vast majority of practicing Muslims are good people, devoted to their religion. Unfortunately the exitence of fringe practitioners who seek to exploit the poor and uneducated followers is at a high enough level to create problems.

 

Fundamentalism exists in all religions, but not all religions glorify, romanticize or encourage the murder of others to further a political agenda.

 

The rhetoric of Islamic fundamentalism should be treated as hate speech, for that is all it truly is. Islam is a peaceful religion, those who pervert it should be treated as criminals...not merely by western authority, but within their own religion as well.

 

It seems that moderates are deferential to the "fanatics" within a lot of muslim countries. I've barely done much research but am definitely getting that impression. They may not dedicate all the effort to the cause, may even feel content in their everyday life, but they would feel guilty to not support the plight of the truly reverent among them.

 

Also, I really need to read the Quaran but I think you could say modern Islam which really shouldn't be called Islam because it's so far removed from what original Islam intended...is peaceful. True Islam is not peaceful. Expect the Quaran to back that up but I could be wrong. I've researched some other contentious topics besides promoting overt violence, and all the backpedaling done by modernists is not convincing at all compared to the text. It may be because I believe religiously myself, but to me you can't label a religion by the people who merely slap the label on themselves, you need to consider it's actual tenants. When considering actual tenants of Islam you'll find a lot of scholars disagreeing with each other, just like with the bible today. Need to look at the actual text, disregard the competing voices canceling each other out, try to be as objective as possible and check out what it's really encouraging.

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racisit

[YoMan 0]

Yes...Islam is the most peaceful religion. He's absurd!

I think I detect a little bit of sarcasm here. Come to think of it I can't think of any acts of aggression that have ever been perpetrated in the name of Islam. I guess it is a religion of peace.

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Also, I really need to read the Quaran but I think you could say modern Islam which really shouldn't be called Islam because it's so far removed from what original Islam intended...is peaceful. True Islam is not peaceful. Expect the Quaran to back that up but I could be wrong. I've researched some other contentious topics besides promoting overt violence, and all the backpedaling done by modernists is not convincing at all compared to the text. It may be because I believe religiously myself, but to me you can't label a religion by the people who merely slap the label on themselves, you need to consider it's actual tenants. When considering actual tenants of Islam you'll find a lot of scholars disagreeing with each other, just like with the bible today. Need to look at the actual text, disregard the competing voices canceling each other out, try to be as objective as possible and check out what it's really encouraging.

 

It's generally not the Quaran, but the teachings of Mohammed and others that advocate and justify violent conversion & strict adherence to & worldwide deference to, Sharia law that are the problem.

 

That's basically what the Pope tried to say, but the ragheads got so about it, that the point was lost.

 

That's basically their tactic - furiously for their rights while beating down & violently supressing the rights of anybody who disagrees with them.

 

...and we're letting them do it.

 

 

 

 

As for deporting all Muslims, I certainly disagree. However, immigration & visas are a privledge, not a right. Many of those preaching hatred in the UK and here are not citizens. For the life of me, I don't understand why we don't immediately revoke the visas of anybody who advocates violence and/or intollerance.

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People who believe in god are Loopy-loo.

 

Fixed.

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Fixed.

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Notable: he's referring to Islamists, not Muslims. Islamists are the ethnocentric extremists who've hijacked PARTS of Islam and bastardized them for their own political or military purposes.

 

Just like Christianists have done the same thing with Christianity.

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Notable: he's referring to Islamists, not Muslims. Islamists are the ethnocentric extremists who've hijacked PARTS of Islam and bastardized them for their own political or military purposes.

 

Just like Christianists have done the same thing with Christianity.

 

Very true...same ######...different religion.

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'The idea that as a Muslim in this country that you don't have the freedom to express your religion or your views, I mean you've got far more freedom in this country than you do in most Muslim countries,' Blair told Observer columnist Will Hutton, who presents the documentary.

 

'The reason we are finding it hard to win this battle is that we're not actually fighting it properly. We're not actually standing up to these people and saying, "It's not just your methods that are wrong, your ideas are absurd. Nobody is oppressing you. Your sense of grievance isn't justified."'