edjr 6,580 Posted August 2, 2007 Ron Paul is a true libertarian. It's an hour long, but it's a good interview. Around the 12 minute mark Ron Paul is ok with Prostitution. Seriously, how can prostitution be illegal? because the government doesn't get any of the profits? How can you as a person not want to control your own life, and would rather let the government control everything? RON PAUL 2008 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angry White Male 0 Posted August 2, 2007 Ron Paul is a RINO. Is this the video where he blames America for 9/11? Or the one where he blathers on about the Constitution? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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edjr 6,580 Posted August 2, 2007 You too, ed? Who do you want to be President in 08? Do you not want to be your own person? you like government owning you and your money? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted August 2, 2007 Who do you want to be President in 08? I don't know yet, but I definitely don't want the guy who thinks there's a nefarious conspiracy afoot to build a superhighway from Mexico to Canada that will destroy America, withdraw the US from all international organizations, and legalize prostitution and drugs. Do you not want to be your own person? you like government owning you and your money? Yes. No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted August 2, 2007 Why is prostitution illegal anyway? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted August 2, 2007 I don't know yet, but I definitely don't want the guy who thinks there's a nefarious conspiracy afoot to build a superhighway from Mexico to Canada that will destroy America, withdraw the US from all international organizations, and legalize prostitution and drugs.Yes. No. Do you like the patriot act? do you like goverment spying on you? Ron Paul was one of the few people that voted against it. And what on earth are you talking about? the president now thinks al qaeda was in iraq Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Me_2006 14 Posted August 2, 2007 Why is prostitution illegal anyway? Check the 69th amendment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted August 2, 2007 Why is prostitution illegal anyway? because the gubment doesn't make money on it. Same reason drugs are illegal. if you make money off of it and the gubment doesn't, it's illegal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Me_2006 14 Posted August 2, 2007 because the gubment doesn't make money on it. Same reason drugs are illegal. if you make money off of it and the gubment doesn't, it's illegal. Gay marriage? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted August 2, 2007 Gay marriage? you can make money off of gay marriage? also, ron paul is fine with gay marriage. Who the fock cares what people do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Me_2006 14 Posted August 2, 2007 you can make money off of gay marriage? If you know where to go. No, really though. What I was saying is that it's illegal but there's no money to be made by anyone from it. That would imply it's illegal for different, moral purposes and one could argue the same about prostitution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted August 2, 2007 Do you like the patriot act? do you like goverment spying on you? No. No. Ron Paul was one of the few people that voted against it. I salute him for that And what on earth are you talking about? the president now thinks al qaeda was in iraq The president is an idiotic liar who should be impeached, along with most of his staff If Ron Paul is so "independent" and "libertarian" why is running as a Republican? Why is he pro-life? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted August 2, 2007 If Ron Paul is so "independent" and "libertarian" why is running as a Republican? Why is he pro-life? Please tell me the last person that ran as anything but Democrat or Repub that had a prayer at being elected president? That was a pretty simple choice. Pro-Life? I am not sure and I don't agree with it, but the few things I don't agree with him about, doesn't change my mind. You will NEVER find a candidate in your lifetime you agree with everything on. Ron Paul wants to get rid of social security. What do you think of that? Take an hour and watch this interview, seriously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted August 2, 2007 Why is prostitution illegal anyway? Geez, I don't know, maybe because people don't want their kids getting bjs from hookers Friday nights in daddy's borrowed Buick? Because hookers spread STDs, hepatitis, AIDS, and they and the people who partake of them are generally poor scumbags without health insurance, so it's a drag on the health care system. Because prostitution degrades women, because is the tip of a crime iceberg that includes drugs and all kinds of violent crime. Oh wait, Paul wants to legalize drugs there are more reasons Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Me_2006 14 Posted August 2, 2007 Geez, I don't know, maybe because people don't want their kids getting bjs from hookers Friday nights in daddy's borrowed Buick?Because hookers spread STDs, hepatitis, AIDS, and they and the people who partake of them are generally poor scumbags without health insurance, so it's a drag on the health care system. Because prostitution degrades women, because is the tip of a crime iceberg that includes drugs and all kinds of violent crime. Oh wait, Paul wants to legalize drugs there are more reasons I agree with you, but just a heads up: you're about to get the "if it were legal we could clean it up and test them and stuff" argument. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted August 2, 2007 Please tell me the last person that ran as anything but Democrat or Repub that had a prayer at being elected president? That was a pretty simple choice. Ross Perot Pro-Life? I am not sure and I don't agree with it, but the few things I don't agree with him about, doesn't change my mind. You will NEVER find a candidate in your lifetime you agree with everything on. My point was that he makes a lot of noise about independence and personal liberty, but in the end, he's just sucking up to the same group of voters as the other republicans. Being pro-life is completely at variance with Libertarianism. Ron Paul wants to get rid of social security. What do you think of that? I think if he gives me back all the money I've paid into it, that would be fine with me although, your grandparents and mine would probably not be too happy about it. Take an hour and watch this interview, seriously. I'll pass. I've heard enough from him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
schaef2k 0 Posted August 2, 2007 people who partake of them are generally poor scumbags without health insurance, so it's a drag on the health care system. Really? How many of our elected officials have gotten busted just in the last year. How many atheletes? CEOs? Prostitution is the oldest profession known to man and it's not going away ever. Why not make it legal, enforce STD tests and other health measures and then tax the ###### out of it? Nevada's model works pretty well, why not just copy that on a national level? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted August 2, 2007 Geez, I don't know, maybe because people don't want their kids getting bjs from hookers Friday nights in daddy's borrowed Buick?Because hookers spread STDs, hepatitis, AIDS, and they and the people who partake of them are generally poor scumbags without health insurance, so it's a drag on the health care system. Because prostitution degrades women, because is the tip of a crime iceberg that includes drugs and all kinds of violent crime. Oh wait, Paul wants to legalize drugs there are more reasons great argument. Ross Perot had a chance?????? (if he ran as a repub or dem and got the nomination, he would have had a chance, hth) 2 men having sex could give them aids, why isn't that illegal? Prostitution is legal in certain parts of Nevada. hth Drugs are legal in Amsterdam. hth Nevada and Amsterdam seem to be doing just fine. How come they haven't been burned to the ground? You obviously need goverment in your life to control you, that's sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted August 2, 2007 Really? How many of our elected officials have gotten busted just in the last year. How many atheletes? CEOs? Prostitution is the oldest profession known to man and it's not going away ever. Why not make it legal, enforce STD tests and other health measures and then tax the ###### out of it? Nevada's model works pretty well, why not just copy that on a national level? Because these people are conformists, they need government to think for them. Clearly politics in the USA are running just great and no changes are needed! We need MORE GOVERNMENT, NOT LESS! just ask them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angry White Male 0 Posted August 2, 2007 My point was that he makes a lot of noise about independence and personal liberty, but in the end, he's just sucking up to the same group of voters as the other republicans. Being pro-life is completely at variance with Libertarianism. Not to defend Ron Paul, but the pro-life stance is consistent with Libertarianism if you believe that the fetus is deserving of the same rights as all other people. HTH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted August 2, 2007 Prostitution is the oldest profession known to man and it's not going away ever. Why not make it legal, enforce STD tests and other health measures and then tax the ###### out of it? Because this would require a new governmental agency to monitor it. I don't think Ron Paul would be for that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted August 2, 2007 I'll pass. I've heard enough from him. don't educate yourself and listen. keep your narrow minded views and vote for Hillary or Guiliani. It's pretty simple really. Goverment is corrupt and will always be corrupt as long as people keep their blinders on and don't vote for a change. The bigger goverment gets, the worse off we are. Ron Paul is the only candidate that wants to make government smaller. I know he's not perfect, no one is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted August 2, 2007 Because this would require a new governmental agency to monitor it. I don't think Ron Paul would be for that LOCAL government you focking tool, not FEDERAL government. he's for smaller FEDERAL goverment, with allowing local government to actually do their jobs and not have the federal government tell them what to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Me_2006 14 Posted August 2, 2007 don't educate yourself and listen. keep your narrow minded views and vote for Hillary or Guiliani. It's pretty simple really. Goverment is corrupt and will always be corrupt as long as people keep their blinders on and don't vote for a change. The bigger goverment gets, the worse off we are. Ron Paul is the only candidate that wants to make government smaller. I know he's not perfect, no one is. A big part of me agrees with you here, but couldn't it be argued that the reason Ron Paul is able to come out and say all of these things is because he knows he wont be elected? It's like people running for class president promising no homework and pizza every day for lunch. It sounds wonderful and all, but it just really isn't feasible is it? Would it be great if society could function without the control of a government and we could all just live free and make our own rules and laws and everything? Sure. The problem is, the world doesn't really work according to that Utopian standard and there are people who, without a government, would do some seriously evil things with absolutely no consequences. Government does need to be smaller though. Too socialist for my taste. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted August 2, 2007 great argument. Ross Perot had a chance?????? (if he ran as a repub or dem and got the nomination, he would have had a chance, hth) He won 20% of the vote in 1992, and came in 2nd in Utah and Maine. 2 men having sex could give them aids, why isn't that illegal? could give who aids? The hooker? Who would then spread it to other people? Prostitution is legal in certain parts of Nevada. hth Drugs are legal in Amsterdam. hth I believe only marijuana is legal. Also, parts of Amsterdam are uninhabitable wastelands of filth and junkies, because heroin was legal for years. Nevada and Amsterdam seem to be doing just fine. How come they haven't been burned to the ground? You obviously need goverment in your life to control you, that's sad. I love how you make leaps like this when you're arguing. Do you really believe that I need government in my life to control me? :lol: Where do you get this stuff? You are no better at talking politics than you are at baseball. hth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted August 2, 2007 I love how you make leaps like this when you're arguing. Do you really believe that I need government in my life to control me? Ok. you don't know who you're going to vote for, but you do know you won't vote for the only candidate that wants to take government out of your life? did i miss something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted August 2, 2007 Ok. you don't know who you're going to vote for, but you do know you won't vote for the only candidate that wants to take government out of your life? did i miss something? The problem is that he "wants to take government out of my life" by doing things that I don't think should be done, like legalizing drugs and prostitution. Most people don't think this should be done either. HTH So, no, I'm not going to vote for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted August 2, 2007 He won 20% of the vote in 1992, and came in 2nd in Utah and Maine. How many electoral votes did he win? You do realize a candidate is elected based on Electoral votes? Let me answer for you. Perot finished the election with ZERO electoral votes. How close was he again to winning? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted August 2, 2007 You do realize a candidate is elected based on Electoral votes? no, ed. I had no idea. Thanks for the civics lesson. You're so smart. Let me answer for you. Perot finished the election with ZERO electoral votes. How close was he again to winning? Perot was the most successful "third party" candidate ever. He had both Clinton and Bush running scared for a big part of the 92 race. If Paul were smart he would run 3rd party as well, that we he could stay in the race after he loses the GOP nomination. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted August 2, 2007 The problem is that he "wants to take government out of my life" by doing things that I don't think should be done, like legalizing drugs and prostitution. Most people don't think this should be done either. HTHSo, no, I'm not going to vote for him. Right. The day Ron Paul took office, it would be a giant orgy with drugs. Good call. Also, do you not think people do drugs now? Is there not prostitution now? HOW DO YOU LIVE? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted August 2, 2007 no, ed. I had no idea. Thanks for the civics lesson. You're so smart.Perot was the most successful "third party" candidate ever. He had both Clinton and Bush running scared for a big part of the 92 race. If Paul were smart he would run 3rd party as well, that we he could stay in the race after he loses the GOP nomination. HE'S A REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN!!! What elected office did Ross Perot hold before running for President? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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porkbutt 893 Posted August 2, 2007 Do you like the patriot act? do you like goverment spying on you? Ron Paul was one of the few people that voted against it. And what on earth are you talking about? the president now thinks al qaeda was in iraq they're not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted August 2, 2007 they're not? see the WAS part of that? When the USA attacked Iraq there was no Al Qaeda IN Iraq. Funny, there is now. Hmmmm, how did that happen? THANKS GEORGE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted August 2, 2007 HE'S A REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN!!! I thought he was a Libertarian. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,580 Posted August 2, 2007 I thought he was a Libertarian. yes, you are an rtard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angry White Male 0 Posted August 2, 2007 I thought he was a Libertarian. Yes, yes he is. But he's got some people fooled into thinking he's a Republican. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BLS 314 Posted August 2, 2007 OK.....I'm going to stress test my keyboard here. And I'll try to keep it calm and cool. First off...major PROPS to Edjr for 'seeing the light'. Once you get your mind around the way we normally think about politics and life in general, what Ron Paul says is very much a new way of thinking, and it makes ALOT of sense. 2nd. RON PAUL NEVER BLAMED AMERICANS FOR 9/11. He clearly states a KNOWN fact, that a major factor they attacked us is because they hate us meddling in there affairs. Many of those nations are very, very poor. Beyond imagination here in the US. They have nothing and are oppressed continually by Dictatorship regimes in the region. The US supports those regimes, and they KNOW they cannot find those regimes as long as the US is supporting them with money, armaments and even US troops. Ron Paul was TOTALLY for going after Bin Laden. He voted to invade Afghanistan. He still supports killing Bin Laden, but never did and still does oppose the war in Iraq because it was a sham and a mess, and it was done unconstitutionally. Ask me if you'd like to know more about why. Watch this video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=56...36792&hl=en 3rd. Ron Paul doesn't in any way support prostitution. Or using drugs. What he does support is Freedom to choose. We've had prostitutes since the dawn of time. We're never going to get rid of them. In Nevada, it's all regulated by the STATE government (and I'll be using this term often...so pay attention), and they have much lower rates of AID's and STD's than states where it's illegal. As far as marijuana goes, there isn't one single solitary person on this entire site who couldn't find a bag of schwag within 3 phone calls. Hell, I bet almost everybody here has tried it, or uses it on a regular basis. So, what's the point of making it illegal? People can still obviously get it, right? Do you think in 3 phone calls you could find a bag of Vicotin (which is legal)?? See what I'm saying? So, what's wrong with letting people who want to smoke weed do so? Does it harm you? It should be every persons choice of what they want to do with their lives as long as those choices do not infringe on the Constitutional rights of all people (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness). IE...as long as your doings don't affect the rights of others, it should be OK from a FEDERAL standpoint. Now, if a state says, "No, we don't want to legalize marijuana", that is also their Constitutional right to make that law. It's also your Constitutional right to move to a state where it's legal if you gotta smoke that bad. Plus, look at it this way...HOW much money do you and I spend every year on the war against drugs? And for what? To bust some guy selling a bag of weed and put him in prison again on our dollar. Do you realize how much money we could save if we put REAL criminals behind bars, so they could actually do their time and not get let out early because there's such a shortage of space in prisons. A vast majority of prisoners are in for a drug related crime....whether it's the act of selling the drug, or killing someone in a drug deal gone bad. Those situations wouldn't happen as often if marijuana were legal and the cost out of our pockets would reduce. Ron Paul does NOT want to make marijuana legal. He wants to make it legal for STATE governments to choose, based on their constituents. Blanket laws tend to be bad, because it limits everybody, whereas STATE government still allows you to freely move across state lines without papers (so far...wait till May of next year...Real ID anyone?!?) 4th. Ron Paul is not a Libertarian, per se. He ran for the Libertarian party in 1988, but he's more of a Constitutionalist than a Libertarian. Also, whoever said Libertarians are pro-choice is dead wrong, which is a major area Paul and Libertarians differ. He believes in Pro Life, but that being said, as President, he recognizes it's NOT his Consititutional right to pass a law saying that all states cannot allow abortions. THINK ABOUT THAT....a guy who's first profession was delivering babies, and is staunchly ProLife, doesn't think it's right to make a law to abolish Roe vs. Wade. Now if that's not PRINCIPLES....I don't know what is. 5th. Ron Paul doesn't want to abolish government. That's simply a poor interpretation. He wants to restrict FEDERAL government from controlling our lives. Those laws should be left up to the STATE governments. The Federal Government is really only required to provide us a few things. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness. The national Military is included in that because they are needed to suppress an outside threat against those rights. Constitutionally, that's about it. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say the Fed Govt is required to give out welfare checks. To fix bridges in Minnesota (and I live in MN) or to legalize abortion. That should be left to local governments. If he were able to cut this government bloat, YES, factually, he could abolish the IRS. Think about what that would do for the ecomony. 6th. Ron Paul wants to put on solid money. IE Gold-backed money. Right now, we don't have gold to back money any more. The true value of a dollar as of right now is .04 Don't believe me....look it up. Why do you think everybody has to buy everything on credit? 7th. I know I'm not a good spokesman for Ron Paul. I get hot easily, I know. I really think...if every person took the time to REALLY learn about what he stands for, you may see things differently. If you want to read articles and bills he's written during his 20 years in Congress, you can visit here, and learn EXACTLY what his approach is. He can say it all alot better than I. http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/ Oh and for you anti Illegal Immigrationers (such as myself)...he's STAUNCHLY against Amnesty, wants to finish the walls, put our Military on our border until we can stop the flow, and end birth-right citizenship. Illegal Immigration will DESTROY this country if we don't stop it. If US citizens have to pay for the Welfare, HealthCare and Education of non-taxpaying illegals, expect your taxes to go through the roof. 8th. Edjr...you're wrong. He doesn't want to abolish SS. He wants to give people the right to choose and not just have the Socialist government take it from you and say "You're not smart enough to save it, so we'll do it for you." And then 40 years later claim it's all gone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites