Can we all agree that FF playoffs are more lucky than anything?

[KSB2424 3,148]

Knowledge (knowing the intricacies of your rules/scoring/lineups requirements/handcuffing ect.) and ff experience over time does equate to a certain level of learned skill. Of course the games are out of our hands and anything can happen, but you can put yourself in position to reduce the level of impact said luck has on your fantasy team over the course of a full season. It most certainly is akin to playing the stock market and poker.

[FSW Mephisto 0]

Knowledge (knowing the intricacies of your rules/scoring/lineups requirements/handcuffing ect.) and ff experience over time does equate to a certain level of learned skill. Of course the games are out of our hands and anything can happen, but you can put yourself in position to reduce the level of impact said luck has on your fantasy season over the course of a full season. It most certainly is akin playing the stock market and poker.

 

Yes, that's always a pleasant analogy, but playing the stock market doesn't rely on the physical conditioning and performance of many other key players in order for you to have any measure of success. Neither does poker.

 

Throw in weather, injuries, Cheatriots taping signals... and there is no focking comparison so just stop it.

 

You're not as important as you think you are.

[Gepetto 1,370]

A Salary Cap League would reduce 'luck', I think. I need to find one of those...

[KSB2424 3,148]

Yes, that's always a pleasant analogy, but playing the stock market doesn't rely on the physical conditioning and performance of many other key players in order for you to have any measure of success. Neither does poker.

 

Throw in weather, injuries, Cheatriots taping signals... and there is no focking comparison so just stop it.

 

You're not as important as you think you are.

I realize you are being antognistic for the fun of it, however your Westbrook posts prove what a dope you are. HTH

 

I understand that fishing and stirring the pot on this board can be fun at times, but at a certain point you just look stoopid. I mean really, aren't you like 40 years old? You would think you were 14.

[FSW Mephisto 0]

I realize you are being antognistic for the fun of it, however your Westbrook posts prove what a dope you are. HTH

 

I understand that fishing and stirring the pot on this board can be fun at times, but at a certain point you just look stoopid. I mean really, aren't you like 40 years old? You would think you were 14.

 

On the Westbrook issue - I wasn't fishing around for anything. I stand by my statements/opinions - even really, really stupid ones.

 

One the "FF Skills" issue, you are a focking jackass. I've debated this for years, and other than reading, writing, math and other basic every "skills" - you have no skills that affect the play on the field in any given week.

 

I've watched people argue that "knowledge is a skill." It's a ridiculous argument because your knowledge of players, knowledge of the game, knowledge of the rules, knowledge of what football magazine to buy, knowledge of stupidassed "ADPs" and that ilk - no more affect the outcomes of games, than that of a blind, deaf mute quadriplegic after a frontal lobotomy.

 

You have no control of players output. You pick player you think will do the best - put them in your lineup based upon your "skillful knowledge of the game" - and then hope and pray that they produce.

 

Fantasy Football: Pick and Pray.

 

There's your bumper sticker. It's nearer to the truth than your mythological "Fantasy Football Skill" will ever be.

[16 and 33 0]

You could say it was pure luck that Warner outscored Brady, Manning and Romo yesterday (those were the four QBs in our playoffs).

 

You could also say it was skill that I recognized back on October 3 that Warner - then putting up numbers as a relief pitcher - might win the job, and had a cake stretch schedule if he did.

 

It was luck Leinart got hurt the week I picked him up. It was unlucky Bulger got broken in half a few weeks back. It was phenominally bad luck I got between minus 2 and plus 4 points from a plethora of QBs over a 5 week stretch. It was skill that I built a strong enough team to overcome that, and won 4 of those games when I got no production from my signal caller.

 

50-50, 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3, whatever.

 

In a very small sample size - the playoffs - luck is 90% of it. Just like in any one poker hand, it's mostly luck. Over the long term, though, the luck factor is weaker. The larger sample size - how you do over a season, how you do from year to year - is a much truer indicator of the skill factor.

[FSW Mephisto 0]

You could say it was pure luck that Warner outscored Brady, Manning and Romo yesterday (those were the four QBs in our playoffs).

 

You could also say it was skill that I recognized back on October 3 that Warner - then putting up numbers as a relief pitcher - might win the job, and had a cake stretch schedule if he did.

 

It was luck Leinart got hurt the week I picked him up. It was unlucky Bulger got broken in half a few weeks back. It was phenominally bad luck I got between minus 2 and plus 4 points from a plethora of QBs over a 5 week stretch. It was skill that I built a strong enough team to overcome that, and won 4 of those games when I got no production from my signal caller.

 

50-50, 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3, whatever.

 

In a very small sample size - the playoffs - luck is 90% of it. Just like in any one poker hand, it's mostly luck. Over the long term, though, the luck factor is weaker. The larger sample size - how you do over a season, how you do from year to year - is a much truer indicator of the skill factor.

 

Thanks for offering yet ANOTHER perfect example where everything positive that happened to your team happened because of skill, however, everything negative that happened to your team wasn't because you have shitty skills... but bad luck.

 

Much appreciated. Another post proving my point.

[Tusekan Raiders 0]

Until you show me a ff player who can predict injuries, control the weather, gm and coach the teams his players are on, moderate their off-field lives to control what impacts them on game day, and referee each game all the players they and their opponent are playing in each week., very little is in your control, hence it's almost all luck.

 

The only skill, or illusion of it, comes in with being well-informed to make good draft decisions, timely free agent moves, good trades, and the best lineup decisions on gameday. If it's an auction league, a bit more skill applies on draft day and a dynasty league needs more for roster management, but that skill comes back to mostly being well-informed and good in the trade dept.

[FSW Mephisto 0]

If it makes those "experts" who have "FF skilz" feel better - the best I can offer is that if you consider "knowledge and understanding of the game" a skill - I'll give you that. But even that has no bearing on the outcome of your player performances on Sunday. It's still "Pick & Pray."

[Nichee 0]

Most certainly FF h2h playoffs have an increased luck factor. The skilled player can minimize the luck factor over the course of a season but in 1 game, anything can happen.

[FSW Mephisto 0]

Most certainly FF h2h playoffs have an increased luck factor. The skilled player can minimize the luck factor over the course of a season but in 1 game, anything can happen.

 

How do you, Johnny McSkillmaster, minimize the luck factor. Do tell. Entertain me.

[1CGreen 0]

Interpreting information is certainly a skill, which underscores the reason why CEOs, lawyers , doctors, etc get more money than someone that is a novice. Based on the information they possess (knowledge), they give the correct diagnosis or move the company in the appropriate direction. The stock investor is a perfect analogy for fantasy football gm. The average investor or professional one for that matter, has no control over the company earnings, etc. We just invest, just like an owner buys into a player by putting them on their team. How you interpret the information from coaches, weather conditions, etc is key. One owner saw the fact that New England was having a huge snow storm and chose to stick with the "go with your studs strategy" and was rewarded with a horrible game. Another owner may have gone with their gut and benched Brady for a better matchup. You don't have to control Brady to use intuition not to buy into him on a given occasion. It 's no different than a person benching a player , because they are hurt and you anticipate their performance will be diminished.

[FSW Mephisto 0]

Interpreting information is certainly a skill, which underscores the reason why CEOs, lawyers , doctors, etc get more money than someone that is a novice. Based on the information they possess (knowledge), they give the correct diagnosis or move the company in the appropriate direction. The stock investor is a perfect analogy for fantasy football gm. The average investor or professional one for that matter, has no control over the company earnings, etc. We just invest, just like an owner buys into a player by putting them on their team. How you interpret the information from coaches, weather conditions, etc is key. One owner saw the fact that New England was having a huge snow storm and chose to stick with the "go with your studs strategy" and was rewarded with a horrible game. Another owner may have gone with their gut and benched Brady for a better matchup. You don't have to control Brady to use intuition not to buy into him on a given occasion. It 's no different than a person benching a player , because they are hurt and you anticipate their performance will be diminished.

 

That's beautiful. Thanks for the laughs.

 

Like I said... "Pick and Pray" - you have no impact on the outcome.

[1CGreen 0]

That's beautiful. Thanks for the laughs.

 

Like I said... "Pick and Pray" - you have no impact on the outcome.

 

But you do have bearing on your outcome provided that you picked right!!

[FSW Mephisto 0]

But you do have bearing on your outcome provided that you picked right!!

 

Positives = Skill

 

Negatives = Luck

 

Thanks for playing.

 

NEXT!

[ColtFan 0]

As I agree to a point that the study of players can be similar to the study of individual stocks. EX: The player is the stock, and the team the player plays on is the industry. Further EX: A good chance Brady does well becuase the team he is on, the Patroits are good. Thats similar to saying Caterpillar is a good stock becuase the industry they are in, machinery, is good.

 

 

But, THE DIFFERENCE some are missing is this:

 

**We have absolutely ZERO control over what happens on the football field, ZERO as compared to the individual stocks.

 

**We, as a general public have a lot more control over what happens in the stock market than we do FF players. Yes, we cant control earnings of a company, but as a whole the public does control the stock price because its up to us as to if we will buy/sell at a certain price. Everybody starts selling Stock X the price goes down. If I have 1000 shares of Stock X and I sell them based on bad news, in its own little way my selling of that stock has an impact on its price and what the next person is willing to pay, albeit a very small impact.

 

If everyone sells Stock X, the price most likely goes down. If everyone drops Tom Brady, it has absolutely ZERO affect on his performance.

[HenryChinaski 1]

Mephisto sounds like a bitter old man that didn't make any playoffs this year..

 

If I consistently lost every year - I would probably say it was luck too..

 

But since I win every year... Obviously it's not just luck - otherwise I wouldn't be so successful at it.

 

As for fantasy playoffs, yes there is alot more luck to winning the super bowl. It can't be judged over an entire regular season, that's why it consists of more luck. The fewer games played - the higher the luck percentage. The more games played, the higher the skill percentage.

 

I play in 5 local leagues. We know who are the stronger players, just like we know who aren't. That's why the same people tend to have good teams every year, just like the same people tend to have bad teams every year.

 

How is that all luck? Of course it's some luck, but when the same people win every year, you can't say it's luck.

 

Obviously anyone can pinpoint a few certain situations that are luck, but you have to look at this from a wide view.

 

Basically it's pretty simple. There are the people who win most seasons, then there are the people that lose more than they win. If the same pattern persists over a long period of time, it gets to a point where it's not luck anymore. So what else is it, if it's not skill?

 

70% skill - 30% luck.

[Me_2006 14]

Romo, AD, LT, 85, Wayne, Cooley and Folk were taken down by Hasselbeck, the other Peterson, FWP, Engram, Anthony Gonzalez, Witten and Crosby.

 

Barring an AD miracle, that is.

 

 

Focking luck. Focking Jessica Simpson. Focking H2H.

 

 

We're doing total points next year. Both of the top point scoring teams (hint:Brady/Moss owner too) went down in round 1. We're getting rid of this playoff BS next year.

[HenryChinaski 1]

Romo, AD, LT, 85, Wayne, Cooley and Folk were taken down by Hasselbeck, the other Peterson, FWP, Engram, Anthony Gonzalez, Witten and Crosby.

 

Barring an AD miracle, that is.

Focking luck. Focking Jessica Simpson. Focking H2H.

We're doing total points next year. Both of the top point scoring teams (hint:Brady/Moss owner too) went down in round 1. We're getting rid of this playoff BS next year.

 

Yeah it was ridiculous.. I went a little crazy yesterday.

[Me_2006 14]

Yeah it was ridiculous.. I went a little crazy yesterday.

I will never forgive Tony Romo or Norv Turner.

 

 

 

Darren Sproles 100+ and 2 TDs.

[FSW Mephisto 0]

Mephisto sounds like a bitter old man that didn't make any playoffs this year..

 

If I consistently lost every year - I would probably say it was luck too..

 

I was PISSED that I had to wait this long for a "Master of the No-Lose Argument" to show up and toss out this little gem.

 

Ready, watch me walk into the trap that will result in the classic other side of the lost argument for me - the "you must play with a bunch of idiots" retort.

 

11-years running my own league, this being the 11th. Champion 4x, going for my 5th-time, and second consecutive.

 

One other time I played in another league, the only year I played - I was Champion.

 

You "Skill arguers" - at least those who choose to believe this reality (and there, again, are several Geeks who can substantiate that claim) - would claim that I am just a more skillful player than my opponent. You would be wrong. I'm just luckier than most and still don't believe that this game is anything more than "PICK AND PRAY."

 

- I don't use ADP, never have.

 

- I don't pay for FF information, never have.

 

- I don't "study" in the off-season, never have.

 

- I always grab a magazine or a Pro Football Weekly usually on my way to the draft and just pick names off the list that I think will have a good year... at least those who are left after other owners pick players.

 

Too often, I come to this God-forsaken place and watch all of the people using their "pre-season ADPs" to make arguments and their cheat-sheets and their study results and their compilers and all kinds of other bullsh!t that doesn't mean d!ck. WAY too much focking work.

 

I "pick and pray" at the draft every year. I "pick and pray" my starting lineup every week. I "pick and pray" my waiver picks in any given week. I "pick and pray" any free agent pickups I may make after the waiver period ends. I "pick and pray" a trade offer and hope that another owner will go for it.

 

That's all any of you do, despite all of your claims of study, skill, and all the other bullsh!t people get you to spend money on to give you "THE EDGE" in fantasy football, you bunch of focking jockstraps.

 

If you watch any amount of football with your skillful eyes and read a sports page regularly with your unmatched reading skills - you can play this focking game. You can be retarded and play this game - play it well. Just look at the people who come here everyday, myself included.

 

Tards.

 

I sit here and make predictions, and for some inexplicable reason - much of what I've stepped up and "progged" about has been spot-on! Alexander's demise, Cedric Benson > Shaun Alexander, Ryan Grant not being an "unsmart runner," Aaron Stecker could be trusted... it's a decent list... all just a bunch of stabs in the dark that make me look "skillful" this year. The Eagles, Ravens, and Jets would cover the 20+ point spreads, bet your houses on it... Take the Patriots versus the Steelers & Points... I don't know jack-squat.

 

PICK AND PRAY, BABY!!!

[KSB2424 3,148]

Thats alot of words. All you had to say is: I am bunkered down in my position and will not come out. I refuse to even acknowledge that everyone says that luck plays the most part of ff, but you can help yourself by taking advantage of the different rules and scoring methods of a certain league which in and of itself can differenciate two different teams thus taking some of the luck out of it.

[FSW Mephisto 0]

Thats alot of words. All you had to say is: I am bunkered down in my position and will not come out. I refuse to even acknowledge that everyone says that luck plays the most part of ff, but you can help yourself by taking advantage of the different rules and scoring methods of a certain league which in and of itself can differenciate two different teams thus taking some of the luck out of it.

 

 

When fantasy football consists of you and your other league owners going out and competing in some sort of punt, pass, and kick contest in which you all score points - then come to me with your skill argument.

[KSB2424 3,148]

When fantasy football consists of you and your other league owners going out and competing in some sort of punt, pass, and kick contest in which you all score points - then come to me with your skill argument.

When fantasy football consists of not drafting your own players, not setting your own lineups, not trading, not handcuffing players, not playing matchups, not getting breaking injury news first, not knowing all the intricacies of the league rules/scoring, - then come to me that it is 100% luck.

[Tusekan Raiders 0]

But since I win every year... Obviously it's not just luck - otherwise I wouldn't be so successful at it.

 

You don't factor in playing with idiots, so if you consider that a skill, congrats.

[Nichee 0]

How do you, Johnny McSkillmaster, minimize the luck factor. Do tell. Entertain me.

 

LONG ANSWER: Don't feel like typing it out. It could go on for pages. Besides I have a feeling I'd lose you around paragraph 3.

 

SHORT ANSWER: By being better at this than other people in your league, consistently, year after year after year.

[Nichee 0]

I was PISSED that I had to wait this long for a "Master of the No-Lose Argument" to show up and toss out this little gem.

 

Ready, watch me walk into the trap that will result in the classic other side of the lost argument for me - the "you must play with a bunch of idiots" retort.

 

11-years running my own league, this being the 11th. Champion 4x, going for my 5th-time, and second consecutive.

 

One other time I played in another league, the only year I played - I was Champion.

 

You "Skill arguers" - at least those who choose to believe this reality (and there, again, are several Geeks who can substantiate that claim) - would claim that I am just a more skillful player than my opponent. You would be wrong. I'm just luckier than most and still don't believe that this game is anything more than "PICK AND PRAY."

 

- I don't use ADP, never have.

 

- I don't pay for FF information, never have.

 

- I don't "study" in the off-season, never have.

 

- I always grab a magazine or a Pro Football Weekly usually on my way to the draft and just pick names off the list that I think will have a good year... at least those who are left after other owners pick players.

 

Too often, I come to this God-forsaken place and watch all of the people using their "pre-season ADPs" to make arguments and their cheat-sheets and their study results and their compilers and all kinds of other bullsh!t that doesn't mean d!ck. WAY too much focking work.

 

I "pick and pray" at the draft every year. I "pick and pray" my starting lineup every week. I "pick and pray" my waiver picks in any given week. I "pick and pray" any free agent pickups I may make after the waiver period ends. I "pick and pray" a trade offer and hope that another owner will go for it.

 

That's all any of you do, despite all of your claims of study, skill, and all the other bullsh!t people get you to spend money on to give you "THE EDGE" in fantasy football, you bunch of focking jockstraps.

 

If you watch any amount of football with your skillful eyes and read a sports page regularly with your unmatched reading skills - you can play this focking game. You can be retarded and play this game - play it well. Just look at the people who come here everyday, myself included.

 

Tards.

 

I sit here and make predictions, and for some inexplicable reason - much of what I've stepped up and "progged" about has been spot-on! Alexander's demise, Cedric Benson > Shaun Alexander, Ryan Grant not being an "unsmart runner," Aaron Stecker could be trusted... it's a decent list... all just a bunch of stabs in the dark that make me look "skillful" this year. The Eagles, Ravens, and Jets would cover the 20+ point spreads, bet your houses on it... Take the Patriots versus the Steelers & Points... I don't know jack-squat.

 

PICK AND PRAY, BABY!!!

 

After reading how you operate, I agree: You're not skilled. Your success has been more luck than anything.

[zaurg 0]

Thats alot of words. All you had to say is: I am bunkered down in my position and will not come out. I refuse to even acknowledge that everyone says that luck plays the most part of ff, but you can help yourself by taking advantage of the different rules and scoring methods of a certain league which in and of itself can differenciate two different teams thus taking some of the luck out of it.

 

Mephisto just doesn't get it.

[FSW Mephisto 0]

When fantasy football consists of not drafting your own players, not setting your own lineups, not trading, not handcuffing players, not playing matchups, not getting breaking injury news first, not knowing all the intricacies of the league rules/scoring, - then come to me that it is 100% luck.

 

Ah yes... the "I know how to read" skill argument. You're not that important.

 

PICK & PRAY!!! That's all FF is.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Mephisto just doesn't get it.

No, he gets it. He's just being the arsehole we all know and love.

[FSW Mephisto 0]

No, he gets it. He's just being the arsehole we all know and love.

 

What I get is that everyone fancies themselves as "skillful" and an "expert" and "better & smarter than the next guy."

 

What I know is, that despite winning 5 Championships in the 11-years I've played this silly game of chance (going for my 6th), I wouldn't dare tell you that I have more skill in FF than anyone else. I just happen to be more fortunate in outcomes of lucky moves (for the most part) than most in my league.

 

While so many people were down on Favre in the pre-season, I took a chance. It was sheer chance that the Favre owner had Palmer as his #1 QB and that he was hot as hell to open the season (and needed a runningback). It was sheer chance that I got the news that Reggie Bush would be out and given my craptastic situation at RB, got to Stecker first. I can find few people who thought Stecker had any upside and look at his performances. If Jennings wasn't, by chance, hurt to open the season, he likely would have been drafted and likely not by me. Reggie Brown was sucking to open the season and I just wanted someone else to ride the pine, so I said... FOCK IT, and picked up Jennings. I didn't think he was going to be a Top 10 WR while only playing in 14-games. If not for injuries to my starter Delhomme and subsequent to that, my backup Leinart - who knows what would have happened? I certainly wouldn't have Favre.

 

When you look at things through realistic glasses and not try to puff yourself up as some "expert" with great "skills" - you'll find the truth.

[Nichee 0]

What I know is, that despite winning 5 Championships in the 11-years I've played this silly game of chance (going for my 6th), I wouldn't dare tell you that I have more skill in FF than anyone else. I just happen to be more fortunate in outcomes of lucky moves (for the most part) than most in my league.

 

Dude, I don't know who you're talking to. I think we all agree with you: You're not skilled.

[FSW Mephisto 0]

Dude, I don't know who you're talking to. I think we all agree with you: You're not skilled.

 

You're coming around!

[KSB2424 3,148]

What I get is that everyone fancies themselves as "skillful" and an "expert" and "better & smarter than the next guy."

 

What I know is, that despite winning 5 Championships in the 11-years I've played this silly game of chance (going for my 6th), I wouldn't dare tell you that I have more skill in FF than anyone else. I just happen to be more fortunate in outcomes of lucky moves (for the most part) than most in my league.

 

While so many people were down on Favre in the pre-season, I took a chance. It was sheer chance that the Favre owner had Palmer as his #1 QB and that he was hot as hell to open the season (and needed a runningback). It was sheer chance that I got the news that Reggie Bush would be out and given my craptastic situation at RB, got to Stecker first. I can find few people who thought Stecker had any upside and look at his performances. If Jennings wasn't, by chance, hurt to open the season, he likely would have been drafted and likely not by me. Reggie Brown was sucking to open the season and I just wanted someone else to ride the pine, so I said... FOCK IT, and picked up Jennings. I didn't think he was going to be a Top 10 WR while only playing in 14-games. If not for injuries to my starter Delhomme and subsequent to that, my backup Leinart - who knows what would have happened? I certainly wouldn't have Favre.

 

When you look at things through realistic glasses and not try to puff yourself up as some "expert" with great "skills" - you'll find the truth.

Who is saying anyone is an expert? Why do you insist on putting words in peoples posts?

Obviously your definition of "skill" may be different than most. And of course the luck factor is the overwhelming factor in fantasy football simply because we rely on players playing a game that is out of our control. Duh!?!? HOWEVER, we do have control on stuff in OUR league. Putting forth an effort to keep up with the season may not be a skill per se, but it most certainly can differenciate two team owners and take a certain level of the dumb luck out of it. It is really a simple concept. You choose to argue what constitutes a "skill" when in fact all we are saying is that it is not 100% luck and stating otherwise makes you look really stupid. HTH

 

If a chess player reads a book about the many rules of chess, has experience with how his opponent may react in certain situations, and then applies that in a match that is considered a skill.

 

If a ff guy reads the intracacies of the league scoring/rules, has experience with how his opponents react in certain situations (i.e dropping players to early, trading, ect.), and applies that in a ff season that should also be considered a skill.

 

However please continue to stick your fingers in your ears and jump up and down if it pleases you.

[FSW Mephisto 0]

Who is saying anyone is an expert? Why do you insist on putting words in peoples posts?

Obviously your definition of "skill" may be different than most. And of course the luck factor is the overwhelming factor in fantasy football simply because we rely on players playing a game that is out of our control. Duh!?!? HOWEVER, we do have control on stuff in OUR league. Putting forth an effort to keep up with the season may not be a skill per se, but it most certainly can differenciate two team owners and take luck out of it. It is really a simple concept. You choose to argue what constitutes a "skill" when in fact all we are saying is that it is not 100% luck and stating otherwise makes you look really stupid. HTH

 

If a chess player reads a book about the rules of chess, has experience with how his opponent may react in certain situations, and then applies that in a match that is considered a skill.

 

If a ff guy reads the intracacies of the league scoring/rules, has experience with how his opponents react in certain situations (i.e dropping players to early, trading, ect.), and applies that in a ff season that should also be considered a skill.

 

However please continue to stick your fingers in your ears and jump up and down if it pleases you.

 

Is that the "strategy is a skill" argument?

 

Nothing you can study about your opponent will have any bearing on the outcome of his players' performances.

 

Pick & Pray

 

Next.

[St. Louis Fanatic 0]

The 8th seed in our league (8 teams make the playoffs) who went 5-8 in the regular season is now playing in the Super Bowl. This is his starting lineup: Eli Manning, Colston, B. Marshall, S. McDonald, Warrick Dunn, Chris Brown , Greg Olson, Phil Dawson, San Diego. Tell me there is not luck involved. He shouldn't have even made the playoffs and now he's sitting in the championship game. Why? Because he was skillful enough to draft Warrick Dunn and Chris Brown as his running backs? Oh yeah, don't forget about Ladell Betts, Reuben Droughns, and Drew Bennett on his bench.

[KSB2424 3,148]

The 8th seed in our league (8 teams make the playoffs) who went 5-8 in the regular season is now playing in the Super Bowl. This is his starting lineup: Eli Manning, Colston, B. Marshall, S. McDonald, Warrick Dunn, Chris Brown , Greg Olson, Phil Dawson, San Diego. Tell me there is not luck involved. He shouldn't have even made the playoffs and now he's sitting in the championship game. Why? Because he was skillful enough to draft Warrick Dunn and Chris Brown as his running backs? Oh yeah, don't forget about Ladell Betts, Reuben Droughns, and Drew Bennett on his bench.

Link to one post in this whole thread that states there in not a lot of luck involved? TIA

[FSW Mephisto 0]

The 8th seed in our league (8 teams make the playoffs) who went 5-8 in the regular season is now playing in the Super Bowl. This is his starting lineup: Eli Manning, Colston, B. Marshall, S. McDonald, Warrick Dunn, Chris Brown , Greg Olson, Phil Dawson, San Diego. Tell me there is not luck involved. He shouldn't have even made the playoffs and now he's sitting in the championship game. Why? Because he was skillful enough to draft Warrick Dunn and Chris Brown as his running backs? Oh yeah, don't forget about Ladell Betts, Reuben Droughns, and Drew Bennett on his bench.

 

 

Pick & Pray baby!

[Counterfit 0]

Not sure if it's been said or now but this is how people see the luck/skill aspect of the playoffs:

 

If you lose then it's all luck, if you win it was all skill

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

The ol luck and skill debate always gets them going. I understand that there is a certain knowledge factor, but there is no doubt it can all go out the window in a H2H playoff format. One can know everything and have a great line-up, thus putting them in a better chance to win. But that can all go out the window. My two teams that won over better teams:

 

Favre

Stecker

85

Colston

Curtis

Lee

Crosby

Miami D

 

beat

 

P Manning

LT

AD

Wayne

Galloway

Gates

Jeff Reed

Pitt D

 

(And not only did I beat him, but I murdered him)

 

 

And in another league:

 

Big Ben

Jacobs

Fred Jackson

Branch

Welker

Gates

Brown

MIN D

 

beat

 

Brady

McGahee

Rudi Johnson

TJ Houz

Marshall

Lee

Akers

Pitt D

 

 

Through skill, I was able to micro-manage and get to the playoffs. But anyone who says there is ANY skill involved in those teams winning those games are delusional.