The Dark Knight Opens!

[edjr 6,890]

I haven't seen it yet, but I think I know how it ends.

 

The Joker Dies.

[gocolts 300]

I haven't seen it yet, but I think I know how it ends.

 

The Joker Dies.

 

[Me_2006 14]

Think that was a Heath Ledger joke. Not a spoiler. Though I won't say whether he dies or not.

[naomi 360]

I don't see how someone could not like this movie.

 

would give it a 4/10

 

Heath Ledger's performance was really good though.

[naomi 360]

Was I the only one who actually liked the Joker more than Batman or any of the other characters? He's a total psycho, but the charisma and flair was insane.

The way Batman talked was annoying.

What was the point of TwoFace? Like, he didn't really DO anything, did he? I know it was to show what the Joker did, but like...the villian himself wasn't really relevant.

The complete flip of the semi was one of the coolest thing I've seen, just based on originality alone. Hadn't seen that before and thought it was pretty cool.

Agree with all this. Do understand the breathy low voice was part of Batman's disguise, but it just sounded goofy.

[MisanthropicAnthropoid 0]

 

would give it a 4/10

 

Wow. That's lower than I've heard yet. Then again, I don't know your taste in movies.

[CantTouchThis 23]

 

would give it a 4/10

 

Heath Ledger's performance was really good though.

 

I revised that statement to say any hetero-sexual guy would not dislike this movie, which i was proven wrong. However, this coworker isn't a big movie guy at all, he goes to see like one movie a year, so i took his opinion with a grain of salt. It was because there is like no romance in this movie, some, but very little. I find that glorious, i am sure a female of your age does not find that glorious.

[aportanenko 0]

SPOILER ALERT

 

Watched it, liked it, but I did the, "wow, this movie's a little long right in the middle of it" a sure sign that i didn't love it, good movie just not worth the uberhipe.

 

There was one thing that bugged the hell out of me, how did the Joker get past the fat cop in the interrogation room? I've asked 6 people the same question, got bupkiss.

[naomi 360]

Wow. That's lower than I've heard yet. Then again, I don't know your taste in movies.

Never really enjoyed movies based off comics, but I thought it looked pretty good from the previews and would be an exception.

 

CTT-It wasn't a lack of romance. I like some more guy flicks, for example I loved the Departed; guess it depends on if there's good character development (with more than one character).

[Me_2006 14]

Never really enjoyed movies based off comics, but I thought it looked pretty good from the previews and would be an exception.

 

CTT-It wasn't a lack of romance. I like some more guy flicks, for example I loved the Departed; guess it depends on if there's good character development (with more than one character).

I think that's likely because as a Batman movie, the characters were already developed.

[surferskin 31]

I think that's likely because as a Batman movie, the characters were already developed.

Or that they didn't need to develop characters from the first movie AGAIN. I'm pretty sure everyone else was developed pretty well. (Dent & The Joker)

[edjr 6,890]

Think that was a Heath Ledger joke. Not a spoiler.

[edjr 6,890]

Never really enjoyed movies based off comics, but I thought it looked pretty good from the previews and would be an exception.

 

CTT-It wasn't a lack of romance. I like some more guy flicks, for example I loved the Departed; guess it depends on if there's good character development (with more than one character).

 

 

Batman is based off of the television show, not a comic

 

*BAM* *THWAP* *WHAM*

[gocolts 300]

Think that was a Heath Ledger joke. Not a spoiler. Though I won't say whether he dies or not.

Yeah, I figured that much. It was just an attempt at humor on my part, poorly executed evidently.

[naomi 360]

I think that's likely because as a Batman movie, the characters were already developed.

Yeah, meant to watch the first one but never got around to it. My brother actually thought the same thing though and he liked the first one.

[surferskin 31]

Yeah, meant to watch the first one but never got around to it. My brother actually thought the same thing though and he liked the first one.

Which character wasn't developed to your liking?

[naomi 360]

Which character wasn't developed to your liking?

Really, all of them except for the Joker. Even Harvey Dent struck me that way. It's probably fitting enough development for the kind of movie though.

[surferskin 31]

Really, all of them except for the Joker. Even Harvey Dent struck me that way. It's probably fitting enough development for the kind of movie though.

Yeah, you should really watch the first one then.

 

This is like only watching the 3rd Lord of the Rings movie and complaining that they didn't set up the story.

[CantTouchThis 23]

Really, all of them except for the Joker. Even Harvey Dent struck me that way. It's probably fitting enough development for the kind of movie though.

 

Yeah, that is why i would highly recommend seeing the first one first. When i saw Dark Night the first time, i haven't seen the first one since i seen it in the movies like 2 years ago. So i went and bought the first one, saw it, then ended up seeing the Dark Night again and i definitely like understood everything much better, it takes place basically right after the first one.

 

Batman/Bruce Wayne, along with Gordon and Alfred, where developed very well in the first movie and had no need to be developed in this movie. I thought the Joker and Dent were well developed in this movie, so, i guess you can say i disagree with lack of character development.

 

You were the second bad review i heard, i am glad you explained why though. The first dude was like "Oh, i just thought it wasn't that good of a movie" WTF?? When a movie this good is released and you don't like it, you better explain why...

[naomi 360]

Yeah, you should really watch the first one then.

 

This is like only watching the 3rd Lord of the Rings movie and complaining that they didn't set up the story.

Definitely agree the other should have been watched, not sure it's the only factor in not liking it though. Two of the five people I went with saw the first and thought this one was just alright. My brother who likes movies like Ironman, 300 etc., and really liked the first was bored by it.

 

When I really think about it, even with more character development, I probably wouldn't have been able to get invested into the storyline. Follow it, just not find it interesting. If you need an official explanation CTT, that would be it, not a comic book (or based off TV show based off comic book, edgr) fan. A lot of people who don't seem to be did like it though, calling it "the most amazing movie."

[MisanthropicAnthropoid 0]

Never really enjoyed movies based off comics, but I thought it looked pretty good from the previews and would be an exception.

 

CTT-It wasn't a lack of romance. I like some more guy flicks, for example I loved the Departed; guess it depends on if there's good character development (with more than one character).

 

I don't like movies based on comics either, but Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are definitely exceptions. Neither felt at all like a comic book movie; there was much more substance than that. Darker, more interesting plot, more character development. Closer to Se7en than Spiderman.

 

If you'd claimed to dislike David Fincher's or Christopher Nolan's movies, I'd definitely understand why you wouldn't like this. But I don't see it as anything like the standard comic book movie.

 

Also, seeing the first one does help. I thought this would've been on par with the first but for a much better villain putting it over the top.

[naomi 360]

I don't like movies based on comics either, but Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are definitely exceptions. Neither felt at all like a comic book movie; there was much more substance than that. Darker, more interesting plot, more character development. Closer to Se7en than Spiderman.

 

If you'd claimed to dislike David Fincher's or Christopher Nolan's movies, I'd definitely understand why you wouldn't like this. But I don't see it as anything like the standard comic book movie.

 

Also, seeing the first one does help. I thought this would've been on par with the first but for a much better villain putting it over the top.

If not comic book, then superhero/villian genre.

[MisanthropicAnthropoid 0]

If not comic book, then superhero/villian genre.

 

I'd lumped them together as well. My point was, I know Batman is in that genre, but it doesn't feel like it is. It sets up much more like a standard crime movie.

[edjr 6,890]

It sets up much more like a standard crime movie.

 

The Bad guy loses?

 

Why can't the bad guy ever win? lets try something a little different.

[MisanthropicAnthropoid 0]

Why can't the bad guy ever win?

 

Itsatip that Keyser Soze

[edjr 6,890]

Itsatip that Keyser Soze

 

he's not the only one, but the point is, how often does it happen?

 

once in 100 movies?

[MisanthropicAnthropoid 0]

he's not the only one, but the point is, how often does it happen?

 

once in 100 movies?

 

Some movies I quite like, off the top of my head (excluding kids' movies and comedies). Not all crime movies, but you get the idea:

 

The Usual Suspects- noted

Donnie Darko-

Good guy wins, but dies in doing so.

 

Memento-

Bad guy loses, but the good guy definitely doesn't win.

 

Fight Club-

Ends as well as can be expected

 

12 Monkeys-

Good guy wins in death (again)

 

Se7en-

Bad guy wins

 

The Shawshank Redemption-

Happy ending

 

American Beauty-

Main character dies

 

The Dark Knight-

Bad guy loses, hard to say the good guy actually wins though

 

 

 

So out of that list, there are at most two where it turns out well for the good guy(s). The bad guy doesn't always win, but the good guy is often killed or suffers in other ways. Even some that aren't as high on my favourites list but that I've just seen recently, there isn't much winning by the main characters. Lead guys in The Machinist, Following, and 3:10 to Yuma are either

dead or in prison by the end of the film

.

 

I do agree that the more mainstream, Hollywood movies have happy endings (because the audience demands them). But there really are a whole lot out there where the good guy is seriously screwed at the end.

[naomi 360]

I'd lumped them together as well. My point was, I know Batman is in that genre, but it doesn't feel like it is. It sets up much more like a standard crime movie.

Even with the set up when you have a guy that can do super-human stuff in his bat suit and other non-standard elements, it's not going to feel like the standard crime movie. I might just be fickle though, do enjoy some fantastical or borderline fantastical stuff. Liked War of the Worlds, Independence day back in the day, I am Legend, kinda liked V for Vendetta.

[MisanthropicAnthropoid 0]

Even with the set up when you have a guy that can do super-human stuff in his bat suit and other non-standard elements, it's not going to feel like the standard crime movie. I might just be fickle though, do enjoy some fantastical or borderline fantastical stuff. Liked War of the Worlds, Independence day back in the day, I am Legend, kinda liked V for Vendetta.

 

Okay, so there's also a large sci-fi element with the technology. But I suppose have no problem with things not being standard. Donnie Darko, Mirrormask, and Memento are among my favourite movies (granted, Memento relates a real condition, but it certainly isn't a standard one). So standard was a bad word. I still contend that despite the superhero with amazing (albeit technologically given) abilities, it didn't feel like a superhero movie. And ironically, of those movies you listed, the only one that I've seen and liked was V for Vendetta, and that's only because an amazing opening half hour carried an average film.

[CantTouchThis 23]

Definitely agree the other should have been watched, not sure it's the only factor in not liking it though. Two of the five people I went with saw the first and thought this one was just alright. My brother who likes movies like Ironman, 300 etc., and really liked the first was bored by it.

 

When I really think about it, even with more character development, I probably wouldn't have been able to get invested into the storyline. Follow it, just not find it interesting. If you need an official explanation CTT, that would be it, not a comic book (or based off TV show based off comic book, edgr) fan. A lot of people who don't seem to be did like it though, calling it "the most amazing movie."

 

That's cool. It is based on a comic book, but, that is what i didn't like about the previous Batman movies(before Begins). They were very comic-book like i guess you can say, and i thought they sucked. I have never been into comic books and never really got why they were so popular back in the day. Begins and this movie are much more than that, more like a top knotch crime drama. The point of him becoming Batman is because as a man, he is corruptable, he is just flesh and bone, he is not feared by criminals. As a symbol though, he is much more than that, who is not corruptable and is greatly feared by the city's underworld. It also keeps his indentity under wraps. So, to me at least, it is not a comic-book/super hero movie, or not just one i should say, otherwise i would agree with you and wouldn't care much for it.

[naomi 360]

Okay, so there's also a large sci-fi element with the technology. But I suppose have no problem with things not being standard. Donnie Darko, Mirrormask, and Memento are among my favourite movies (granted, Memento relates a real condition, but it certainly isn't a standard one). So standard was a bad word. I still contend that despite the superhero with amazing (albeit technologically given) abilities, it didn't feel like a superhero movie. And ironically, of those movies you listed, the only one that I've seen and liked was V for Vendetta, and that's only because an amazing opening half hour carried an average film.

With V for Vendetta I almost wanted to edit it to "could kinda get into it." Memento is one of my favorite movies though, enjoyed Donnie Darko, haven't seen Mirrormask.

[MisanthropicAnthropoid 0]

With V for Vendetta I almost wanted to edit it to "could kinda get into it." Memento is one of my favorite movies though, enjoyed Donnie Darko, haven't seen Mirrormask.

 

If you like Alice in Wonderland, you'll probably like MirrorMask. If not, don't bother. It's wonderful though. Trippy, but wonderful. Those three are all in my top 5. The Dark Knight is probably in the mid-teens. But TDK is one of the few movies I like that I kinda expect everyone else to like (along with The Princess Bride and to some degree Monty Python & The Holy Grail). Everything else has quite limited appeal. But TDK appeals to those who like comic books (obviously), those who like action movies (which I don't), and those who like darker, more thought-provoking movies. So I guess my finally liking a movie with mainstream appeal is probably why I'm so surprised whenever someone doesn't like it.

[naomi 360]

If you like Alice in Wonderland, you'll probably like MirrorMask. If not, don't bother. It's wonderful though. Trippy, but wonderful. Those three are all in my top 5. The Dark Knight is probably in the mid-teens. But TDK is one of the few movies I like that I kinda expect everyone else to like (along with The Princess Bride and to some degree Monty Python & The Holy Grail). Everything else has quite limited appeal. But TDK appeals to those who like comic books (obviously), those who like action movies (which I don't), and those who like darker, more thought-provoking movies. So I guess my finally liking a movie with mainstream appeal is probably why I'm so surprised whenever someone doesn't like it.

I can see the dark, just don't get the thought provoking. The ferry deal..if the choice made and the message with it is the thought provoking aspect, or the meaning and significance of Dent's final image vs. Batman...don't really understand why that's considered deep, not to knock that it would be. Just one of the reasons the love for it goes I liked how the smallest organism that's naturally found on earth became the tripod's demise in War of the Worlds, but that's probably for you.

[CantTouchThis 23]

The Bad guy loses?

 

Why can't the bad guy ever win? lets try something a little different.

 

Meh...trying not the give too much away, the bad guy doesn't 100% lose, he did what he set out to do. He gets caught, but, he doesn't necessarily lose, if you watch the movie you will discover the Joker never loses even when it seems like he does....

[CantTouchThis 23]

I can see the dark, just don't get the thought provoking. The ferry deal..if the choice made and the message with it is the thought provoking aspect, or the meaning and significance of Dent's final image vs. Batman...don't really understand why that's considered deep, not to knock that it would be. Just one of the reasons the love for it goes

 

You really have to see it a couple times, there is A LOT to plot and storyline. A lot of ideals and philosophies about mankind and how humans function basically, with a lot of deeper ideas and thoughts. That is what makes this movie so great....

[MisanthropicAnthropoid 0]

I can see the dark, just don't get the thought provoking. The ferry deal..if the choice made and the message with it is the thought provoking aspect, or the meaning and significance of Dent's final image vs. Batman...don't really understand why that's considered deep, not to knock that it would be. Just one of the reasons the love for it goes I liked how the smallest organism that's naturally found on earth became the tripod's demise in War of the Worlds, but that's probably for you.

 

I thought there was a significant theme of moral dilemma in Batman, as well as some interesting questions on the nature of insanity--how is someone pushed over the edge.

 

The War of the Worlds I disliked was the new one, btw. And I disliked it because it was a formula disaster movie, all the way until the ending (which is no longer a surprise, of course). I don't like formula movies.

[naomi 360]

some interesting questions on the nature of insanity--how is someone pushed over the edge.

Did find that interesting, maybe we can apply it to phillybear.

[Blitzen 1]

Just saw it at a matinee and loved it. The key is that they didn't try to sell it for young kids to sell toys and other crap. They went rather mental and for a more adult audience I think. If Lucas or Spielberg had done it, it wouldn't have had enough edge.

 

I thought Nicholson had very much redefined the Joker character. But Heath Ledger absolutely blew him away. Too bad the kid died. Might have been a great actor.