Melissa Stark 1 Posted January 19, 2009 roroco, Does he earn it know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,440 Posted January 19, 2009 He's in!!! McNabb out! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tusekan Raiders 0 Posted January 19, 2009 If Warner wins the Super Bowl, he's a lock as the first QB to win a SB w/two different teams. If not, he still has a good chance just making it there with not only taking two teams, but one multiple times and the other being the Cardinals to their first. The Cardinals, with five playoff appearences, three double-digit win seasons, one playoff win since their 1948 championship, and three winning seasons in 33 years. It's not like he took the Steelers, Cowboys, or Patriots to the SB. Maybe he's not an "icon", but he continues to add to a great story and the media, who make up most of the voters for the HOF, loves a great story. He has a subjective advantage. Objectively, it's a close call. Fourth in career passer rating and second in completion percentage are huge, but his cumulative numbers fall short b/c he only has 101 regular season starts. If his career ended today, you have to look at him like a Gale Sayers or Lynn Swann, a player with such tremendous talent and spectacular highlights that you overlook the small sample set in a career shortened by injury. What's amazing though, is he has 48 300-yard games. Compare that to Peyton with 47 in 75 more starts or Montana with 39 in his career. Two more healthy years with conservative total numbers of 6K yards and 40 TDs gets Warner in the top 20-25 in those categories and the cumulative numbers become less of an issue. His two MVPs and two All-Pro seasons stack up favorably with any HOF QB, but he could use a few more than his three Pro Bowls. Then you have his outstanding 8-2 playoff record and great numbers. His 23 playoff TDs are three better than Young in half as many games and one less than Aikman in six less games, with a superior rating to plenty of HOF QBs. Some of his seasons referred to as "poor" were impacted by injuries, as well. That's why he's in the Sayers/Swann class right now, but voters don't account for exceptional circumstances much anymore...although Warner could be the exception if he retires after the Super Bowl. As for is indoor/outdoor splits, the decline in passer rating and completion percentage is similar to Manning, although Peyton has a much better TD to INT ratio outdoors. It's also pretty ridiculous to talk about his cast carrying him. Yes he's got Fitzgerald and Boldin, but McCowan and Leinart didn't do squat with them in team achievement. They also had the worst run offense in football. They got off the bus throwing the football, every team knew it, and they are in the SB. They were in the bottom half of the league in yardage defense and one of the worst in scoring defense. Warner wins second SB = HOF Warner loses SB, never plays again = questionable, story gives him subjective advantage w/writers Warner loses SB, plays 2+ more productive years = HOF Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted January 19, 2009 He's in!!! McNabb out! Maybe so, but give McNabb Bruce, Holt, Fitzgerald, and Boldin for his entire career and it would be the other way around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,676 Posted January 19, 2009 Beat that Philly defense and then follow it up with a win versus either that Baltimore or Pittsburgh defense. That's all. 1/2 way there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted January 19, 2009 roroco, Does he earn it know He'll get in, but I won't like it unless he wins the whole thing. The writers love a good story and he has one, but out of the two QBs in the Super Bowl this year both have one ring already, but the 5 year QB already have more wins than the 11 year QB... there is something wrong about that.... BTW if that were the SB, Warner would be awarded the MVP, but Fitz would have been the one that deserves it.... It is all political. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mackgee 0 Posted January 20, 2009 Maybe so, but give McNabb Bruce, Holt, Fitzgerald, and Boldin for his entire career and it would be the other way around. they can't catch skip passes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted January 20, 2009 While I like Peter King, his reasoning on Warner is dead solid wrong. This whole "body of work" thing. Really? This is the same guy (along with 900 other spors writers) who say that Tom Brady is a lock right now. Okay, compare Brady's numbers to Warners. Compare post-season stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enis_44 0 Posted January 20, 2009 Maybe so, but give McNabb Bruce, Holt, Fitzgerald, and Boldin for his entire career and it would be the other way around. FALSE McNabb is a choke artist. See: The Super bowl and throwing up in the huddle during the 4th quarter. When the pressure is on, McNabb is OFF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted January 20, 2009 FALSE McNabb is a choke artist. See: The Super bowl and throwing up in the huddle during the 4th quarter. When the pressure is on, McNabb is OFF. You can't make it to 4 NFC championship games and 1 Super Bowl and say you are a choke artist. McNabb is very talented and hasn't won the big one, but he is a solid QB in the playoffs. Leave the term "choke artist" for players like Romo.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted January 20, 2009 You can't make it to 4 NFC championship games and 1 Super Bowl and say you are a choke artist. McNabb is very talented and hasn't won the big one, but he is a solid QB in the playoffs. Leave the term "choke artist" for players like Romo.... Yeah, he doesn't choke as much as he just vomits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
