Harbaugh submitting tape of the Pats/Ravens to the league

[parrot 789]

Add to the fact that the lameass rule was made specifically for Brady, and you might understand the disdain of old-school QBs who were thrown around far worse (with no penalties) for their entire career for Brady versus their disdain for a wide receiver complaining when they getting mugged.

 

That's COMPLETELY untrue.

[donhaas 18]

That's COMPLETELY untrue.

 

It wasn't??? My bad

[edjr 6,685]

That's COMPLETELY untrue.

 

"the brady rule"

 

was it made for Marsha perhaps

[parrot 789]

"the brady rule"

 

was it made for Marsha perhaps

 

That's a name that was slapped on it after Brady got hurt, but the rule protecting a QB's knees had been around for some time. There was a 'clarification' made after the Brady injury that a defender being on the ground did not exempt him from the rule.

 

2006 NFL Rule Book:

 

A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above

the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and

has no opportunity to avoid him;

 

For the record, I don't think the play Pollard made should be illegal. Brady still had the ball until the last second and Pollard was just trying to make the only play he could. It was a good football play and making that illegal is overly restricting defensive players, IMO.

[byetimmy 0]

When you pass interfere, you are breaking the rules and changing the course of the game by doing something illegal that has always been illegal since the beginning of football to gain a distinct advantage. When you brush up against a player well after the play and are not really taking an illegal advantage to make your team victorious doing something that has been completely legal for the 99 previous years of football, to many football players that is a completely different animal. Add to the fact that the lameass rule was made specifically for Brady, and you might understand the disdain of old-school QBs who were thrown around far worse (with no penalties) for their entire career for Brady versus their disdain for a wide receiver complaining when they getting mugged.

 

Pretty much not the same thing at all.

 

Because it was legal before, it should be legal now? By that rationale, let's just change ALL the rules and keep it completely old school. There should be no forward passes, everyone should be wearing leather helmets, and the goal post supports should be on the goal line. Please...

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

In 2002, all we heard was how the rules SHOULDN'T always be enforced when we had the "tuck" rule playoff game.

 

In 2003-04, all we heard was how the rules SHOULD always be enforced with the illegal contact.

 

In 2007, all we heard was how the rules SHOULD always be enforced with regards to taping of defensive signals.

 

Now in 2009, all we hear is how the rules SHOULDN'T always be enforced with roughing the passer.

The hypocrisy is palpable.

 

Haters... keep hatin.

 

This is a great post! Great post!

[mgs316 14]

If Marino could play in todays game he'd throw for 75 TD's and 7000 yards in a season and would have played for 25 years.

 

Lets see, can't touch WR's, can't hit the QB, he'd laugh his butt off.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

that has always been illegal since the beginning of football to gain a distinct advantage. When you brush up against a player well after the play and are not really taking an illegal advantage to make your team victorious doing something that has been completely legal for the 99 previous years of football, to many football players that is a completely different animal.

 

 

Yeah but here's the difference. In the "old days" if somebody took a cheap shot at a QB the offense would police it. There would be things done under the pile, at the point of contact likes hands to the throat and face etc. The offense would chop or crack back block the defensive player and as I said "police" it.

 

Nowadays that aspect has been taken out of football as well.

 

And as byetimmy said the hypocrisy is palpable.

 

A few years ago when Ty Law and the Patriots were bullying Peyton Manning and the Colts WRs all we heard was how the NFL wasn't enforcing the rules and the Patriots were cheating. Now they've leaned towards the offense and the Patriots have adjusted and we hear the same thing.

[ashwiggins 0]

Whether the refs used proper discretion is not the point. They called the penalties based on the rules. If the Ravens don't like the rules, then their owner needs to get on the stick with the rules committee.

 

Harbaugh submitting a tape to show that Flacco was "hit hard," but not in violation of any rules, is asinine.

 

 

I didn't know it was rule to call roughing the passer if you don't touch the QB. The guy for Baltimore who went low on Brady wiffed when Brady side stepped him and then Brady turned to the ref and started crying that he almost hit him low. So all those CB and LBs that go to take a WR's head off when he comes accross the middle but the WR ducks down right before he's hit are 15 yard penalties for the defense potentialy hitting a WR above the shoulders? If you don't make contact there is not penalty, even in the strictest sense of the rules. The ref called it because baby daddy Brady turned and whined for a flag after the play was over.

[lambert58 72]

If Marino could play in todays game he'd throw for 75 TD's and 7000 yards in a season and would have played for 25 years.

 

Lets see, can't touch WR's, can't hit the QB, he'd laugh his butt off.

 

 

Puhleese.. Marino benefited from rule changes that were done in the 70's and early 80's to protect the quarterback and allow the receivers to get open.

 

The 5 yard chuck rule was instituted because of Mel Blount. It was argued then that if Johnny U. had played with the same rules as Marino then Marino wouldn't have come close to his records.

 

This is the evolution of the game. All players in this day and age have it better than players from a previous era.

 

A. Deacon Jones was unstoppable using the head slap on the 0-lineman. That is now outlawed.

 

B. Mel Blount at 6-3 would manhandle receivers down the field. That is now outlawed.

 

C. O-lineman can now extend their arms and use their hands in pass blocking. This rule was changed in 1978.

 

 

Great article on the history of NFL passing game here:

 

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Artic...ssing_game.html

 

 

Rules change as leagues progress. Look at the NBA of the 70's. (no one else watched it so maybe you should). To open up the league and provide more offense, The NBA widened the free-throw lane, added the 3 point shot, and outlawed zone defenses... This was done to increase the watchability of the league. It worked. These rules benefited Bird, Magic, Jabbar, Jordan, Lebron, etc...

 

 

MLB lowered the mound in 1968 to give hitters a better chance. They also moved in the fences to provide more home runs to bring in more fans. (and steroids). These rules benefited all hitters.

 

I am a defensive guy. I love a 1-0 baseball game with good defensive plays. I love to see the Steelers and Ravens just line up and smack each other. However, I realize that most people want to see high scoring games and the rules are being changed to allow this to happen.

[parrot 789]

I didn't know it was rule to call roughing the passer if you don't touch the QB. The guy for Baltimore who went low on Brady wiffed when Brady side stepped him and then Brady turned to the ref and started crying that he almost hit him low. So all those CB and LBs that go to take a WR's head off when he comes accross the middle but the WR ducks down right before he's hit are 15 yard penalties for the defense potentialy hitting a WR above the shoulders? If you don't make contact there is not penalty, even in the strictest sense of the rules. The ref called it because baby daddy Brady turned and whined for a flag after the play was over.

 

 

Sometimes it's nice to get input from posters who are COMPLETELY divorced from reality.

[ashwiggins 0]

 

Sometimes it's nice to get input from posters who are COMPLETELY divorced from reality.

 

 

What part of that didn't happen in your little world?

[parrot 789]

What part of that didn't happen in your little world?

 

There was contact. Maybe not a lot, but it's there, and it's plainly evident. To state otherwise is to deny reality.