We now have our first juggernaut team of the season.

[devius 4]

Holy cow. I'm a huge Packers fan.... and I just crapped myself thinking about the possibility of having to face Vick in the playoffs. How do you scheme or stop this guy outside of drafting animal rights activists? I can't think of a defense in the league good enough to even slow him down. Are we all jumping to conclusions too soon?

[Turducken 0]

Holy cow. I'm a huge Packers fan.... and I just crapped myself thinking about the possibility of having to face Vick in the playoffs. How do you scheme or stop this guy outside of drafting animal rights activists? I can't think of a defense in the league good enough to even slow him down. Are we all jumping to conclusions too soon?

[roroco 75]

Holy cow. I'm a huge Packers fan.... and I just crapped myself thinking about the possibility of having to face Vick in the playoffs. How do you scheme or stop this guy outside of drafting animal rights activists? I can't think of a defense in the league good enough to even slow him down. Are we all jumping to conclusions too soon?

The Redskins's Defense does not equal the Pack's Defense. Mr Clay Matthews is chomping at the bit to get at Vick. And he is one lineman that can get to him.

 

While the Eagles looked sharp, so did the Patriots and the Falcons. Add in BAL, PITT, NYG, and the such, the playoff this year will be quite a venture for gambling fiends.

[MDC 7,652]

The NFC is wide open and like every team in the league this year the Eagles have weaknesses, namely the offensive line and cornerback. That said, Philly's offense is so good that they could make a serious run if they get hot at the right time. As an Eagles fan it will be very fun to watch.

[De Novo 0]

I think the way to stop him is run a 4-3 with the OLBs stacked behind the DEs, all rush to the outside and leave the Mike in the middle as a safety net. Cuts down his running room and the screens. You have to rely on pressure and your secondary to make plays but that's what I saw tonight. Redskins did just short of that on a few plays tonight, Vick thought he had a lane up the middle once and Fletcher was there.

[The Next Generation 10]

The Redskins's Defense does not equal the Pack's Defense. Mr Clay Matthews is chomping at the bit to get at Vick. And he is one lineman that can get to him.

 

16/24 175 1 TD passing, 11-103 rushing in 2-1/2 quarters

[devius 4]

I know Washington has the worst passing DEF in the league.....but they just came off their bye!!!!! the fact that they had 2 weeks to scheme for Vick and have that result? ...things that make you go hmm....

[Puddleglum 0]

What we are seeing is not going away. It's not going to be 59 points every week of course, but it's time to face reality - every game Vick has played in and finished, he has basically set the field on fire. We are looking at a scary combination:

 

1. One of the most talented athletes in a generation.

2. Whose previous coaches were not exactly offensive masterminds.

3. And who has admitted to not really practicing hard or caring much.

3. Is now very motivated.

4. And has an excellent offensive head coach and knows how to coach QBs.

5. Throw in a very talented WR and RB just for good measure.

 

I honestly just don't see the Eagles losing many more games this year if Vick stays healthy.

[The Next Generation 10]

What we are seeing is not going away. It's not going to be 59 points every week of course, but it's time to face reality - every game Vick has played in and finished, he has basically set the field on fire. We are looking at a scary combination:

 

1. One of the most talented athletes in a generation.

2. Whose previous coaches were not exactly offensive masterminds.

3. And who has admitted to not really practicing hard or caring much.

3. Is now very motivated.

4. And has an excellent offensive head coach and knows how to coach QBs.

5. Throw in a very talented WRs and RB just for good measure.

 

I honestly just don't see the Eagles losing many more games this year if Vick stays healthy.

 

Fixored. Did you see the Maclin catch??

[RoadLizard 73]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.... welcome to the NFL. Teams look great and then promptly suck when people are ready to annoint them the SB favorites. The Pats looked like a high-school team vs The Browns but blasted the Squealers like nothing. The Giants were on cruise control and then got throttled at home by the left-for-dead Cowboys. The Ravens looked all world and barely beat the Bills. Just face it - noone is really that "good"...it changes weekly. The Buzzards killed the Foreskins and thats fascinating. But, give them a week or two, they'll lose at home to to some sh!t team because thats hwo the NFL works.

 

Vick had a great game. Lets see if he carries it through the year though. he is very prone to getting hurt and making dumb decisions. If he wasnt, hed never have got into the trouble that he did. Just be realistic about it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

16/24 175 1 TD passing, 11-103 rushing in 2-1/2 quarters

 

In a game where they prepared to face mostly Kolb.

While, he is playing outstanding right now and will be hard to stop, taking anything from that game is a bit foolish IMO.

[Turducken 0]

Fixored. Did you see the Maclin catch??

He pushed off and was out of bounds, BFD.

[The Next Generation 10]

He pushed off and was out of bounds, BFD.

 

Yeah, OK. LMAO

[The Next Generation 10]

In a game where they prepared to face mostly Kolb.

While, he is playing outstanding right now and will be hard to stop, taking anything from that game is a bit foolish IMO.

 

You're right. He's playing even better now!

[Squintz82 45]

In a game where they prepared to face mostly Kolb.

While, he is playing outstanding right now and will be hard to stop, taking anything from that game is a bit foolish IMO.

 

Actually, I remember hearing in the press conference after the game that McCarthy had several defensive schemes prepared for Vick. Vick was going to run several plays that game regardless of starting. Granted they didn't expect him the entire game, but Green Bay just couldn't stop him.

[Sho Nuff 720]

You're right. He's playing even better now!

 

So is the Packer defense.

[BingoBrown 8]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.... welcome to the NFL. Teams look great and then promptly suck when people are ready to annoint them the SB favorites. The Pats looked like a high-school team vs The Browns but blasted the Squealers like nothing. The Giants were on cruise control and then got throttled at home by the left-for-dead Cowboys. The Ravens looked all world and barely beat the Bills. Just face it - noone is really that "good"...it changes weekly. The Buzzards killed the Foreskins and thats fascinating. But, give them a week or two, they'll lose at home to to some sh!t team because thats hwo the NFL works.

 

Vick had a great game. Lets see if he carries it through the year though. he is very prone to getting hurt and making dumb decisions. If he wasnt, hed never have got into the trouble that he did. Just be realistic about it.

 

QFT.

 

It's one game folks, let's not get ahead of ourselves. The Eagles look good, but so do a lot of other teams.

[Youthcoach 0]

QFT.

 

It's one game folks, let's not get ahead of ourselves. The Eagles look good, but so do a lot of other teams.

 

 

1 game? Granted its one game at 60 points, but he has scored 26, 26, 38, 2 (injured) out 4 weeks, 27, and 60......Id say that proves he can carry it through. He has 2 games against the Giants left, but after that his schedule is cake and after last week, the GMen aint so scary anymore, lol.

[BingoBrown 8]

1 game? Granted its one game at 60 points, but he has scored 26, 26, 38, 2 (injured) out 4 weeks, 27, and 60......Id say that proves he can carry it through. He has 2 games against the Giants left, but after that his schedule is cake and after last week, the GMen aint so scary anymore, lol.

 

And that's the point. You say, "and after last week, the GMen aint so scary anymore, lol." Before this past week, the Giants were the unstoppable team. Putting up a ton of points and playing good defense. Now, after one bad game against the hapless Cowboys, you're ready to write the Giants off.

 

This is the NFL folks, things are unpredictable, and that's why we like the game. The Eagles look good, and so does Vick, but things can change. As Denny Green once said, "

"

[Phurfur 70]

Holy cow. I'm a huge Packers fan.... and I just crapped myself thinking about the possibility of having to face Vick in the playoffs. How do you scheme or stop this guy outside of drafting animal rights activists? I can't think of a defense in the league good enough to even slow him down. Are we all jumping to conclusions too soon?

 

 

I guess you are new to the game. Good luck!

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

The timing was right, the emotions ran high, last night was last night. It was an amazing performance for sure and things look good for Philly, but that could all change.

 

Next week the Eagles vs the Giants could be a totally different story. It's the NFL....things change weekly.

[Youthcoach 0]

I understand your point, parody is rampant in the NFL this year, but Vick has been constant in every game he has played this year. You gave him credit for one game, when clearly he has done more than that.

 

I write the Giants off every week of every season, not just cuz they were spanked by the Cowgirls.

[Phurfur 70]

I know Washington has the worst passing DEF in the league.....but they just came off their bye!!!!! the fact that they had 2 weeks to scheme for Vick and have that result? ...things that make you go hmm....

 

Only NEW inexperienced fans go hmm......

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I understand your point, parody is rampant in the NFL this year, but Vick has been constant in every game he has played this year. You gave him credit for one game, when clearly he has done more than that.

 

I write the Giants off every week of every season, not just cuz they were spanked by the Cowgirls.

Vick has been great, and maybe can only be contained.

 

You writing off the Giants is like me giving Vick credit for one game. NY can dominate a game or make you scratch your head. Let's not forget that they have knocked 5 QB's out of games....2 QB's against Chicago alone.

[Youthcoach 0]

Vick has been great, and maybe can only be contained.

 

You writing off the Giants is like me giving Vick credit for one game. NY can dominate a game or make you scratch your head. Let's not forget that they have knocked 5 QB's out of games....2 QB's against Chicago alone.

 

I actually gave the Giants credit for being the toughest 2 games left on Vicks schedule, the rest is pretty easy. In reality I would never write them off, in my head the suck donkey balls each and every week.

[devius 4]

In a game where they prepared to face mostly Kolb.

While, he is playing outstanding right now and will be hard to stop, taking anything from that game is a bit foolish IMO.

 

how offen does a back up quarterback with no 1st team reps do well coming in due to injury?!

[BingoBrown 8]

I understand your point, parody is rampant in the NFL this year, but Vick has been constant in every game he has played this year. You gave him credit for one game, when clearly he has done more than that.

 

I write the Giants off every week of every season, not just cuz they were spanked by the Cowgirls.

 

First, I was giving the Eagles and Vick credit for one oustanding game. There was talk in this thread about how amazing both the Eagles and Vick were. My comments weren't limited to Vick, but were more a reference to everyone crowning the Eagles already.

 

Second, even if Vick has been consistent in the games he's played in, is he really that amazing compared to other QBs? Ignoring the game in which he was injured vs. the Redskins, Vick averaged 25 fantasy points per game prior to the MNF game. It's better than the average of Rodgers, Rivers, Orton, and Manning, but not ridiculously better. Only about 7-8 pts/game.

 

Put it in context, have people gushed this much about Arian Foster and Adrian Peterson this season? They're the #1 & #2 RBs, Gore is #3. Foster averages 5 pts/game more than Gore, and AP averages 3 pts/game more.

 

It just seems like an inordinate amount of praise for Vick given such a small sample size of work. And it seems like everyone is ready to anoint him the fantasy king after one outstanding performance. I'm not.

[devius 4]

I guess you are new to the game. Good luck!

 

you apparently have no insight. and added nothing to the conversation.... guess you're not new to idiot. good luck with that!

[devius 4]

by the way everybody, says one game... was he not impressive during the colts game? are we not at a point in the season where we can start drawing conclusions?

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

by the way everybody, says one game... was he not impressive during the colts game? are we not at a point in the season where we can start drawing conclusions?

Everyone says one game because things change quickly. (See Vick's prior game vs Washington this year.)

[RoadLizard 73]

QFT.

 

It's one game folks, let's not get ahead of ourselves. The Eagles look good, but so do a lot of other teams.

 

They look good THIS week. Like I says - next week it is entirely within reason to see the polar oposite of what you saw this week. Actually, if you bank on anything this year its that you can NOT bank on anything this year. Parity. Blows.

 

Honestly, I bet you could get a Kings ransom for Vick right now in a trade and it might be a GREAT move to do just that.

[devius 4]

They look good THIS week. Like I says - next week it is entirely within reason to see the polar oposite of what you saw this week. Actually, if you bank on anything this year its that you can NOT bank on anything this year. Parity. Blows.

 

Honestly, I bet you could get a Kings ransom for Vick right now in a trade and it might be a GREAT move to do just that.

 

well maybe if anything this is THE week to sell high.

 

I just keep going back to his days in Atlanta where his leading reciever was Alge Crumpler.... he made Crumpler an All-Pro. Now he's got two sub 4 sec runners on the outside to stretch the field. Back then you could put a line ref out there to cover Pearless Price.

[mzf5c5 0]

by the way everybody, says one game... was he not impressive during the colts game? are we not at a point in the season where we can start drawing conclusions?

 

He was good against the Colts, but honestly, we were hitting him the entire game. I actually thought we might hurt him. Our line was getting to him a lot, which is why they couldn't capitalize on the turnovers and score a bunch of points. Eagles barely beat a 2nd string Colts team. If we had half our starters that game, I have a feeling, the game would have ended differently.

 

I still like him for MVP if he can stay healthy the rest of the season and continues his good plays.

[Sho Nuff 720]

how offen does a back up quarterback with no 1st team reps do well coming in due to injury?!

 

How often is the backup QB a guy who does get some reps in the packages they have?

And how often is said backup the caliber of Vick?

[devius 4]

How often is the backup QB a guy who does get some reps in the packages they have?

And how often is said backup the caliber of Vick?

 

I was replying to the statement that the Packers gameplanned for Kolb and thats the reason Vick did well with his playing time that game. I completely agree Vick is of a different caliber... thats what the thread is about. I agree theres a bit of ball polishing going on. The NFL is a knee jerk reaction league. Plus he plays in Philly... but he put up numbers at the most complicated position in the game that no other has before and when you factor out the rushing yards only 2 or 3 have ever done in the history of the league. He may not win a superbowl or he may... but tell me theres another person you'd rather watch? Question I have... is there anything.... anything he can do to get out of the shadow of his past?

[Sho Nuff 720]

I was replying to the statement that the Packers gameplanned for Kolb and thats the reason Vick did well with his playing time that game. I completely agree Vick is of a different caliber... thats what the thread is about. I agree theres a bit of ball polishing going on. The NFL is a knee jerk reaction league. Plus he plays in Philly... but he put up numbers at the most complicated position in the game that no other has before and when you factor out the rushing yards only 2 or 3 have ever done in the history of the league. He may not win a superbowl or he may... but tell me theres another person you'd rather watch? Question I have... is there anything.... anything he can do to get out of the shadow of his past?

 

I don't think it was totally why he did well against Green Bay...he has been damn good so far this year.

But I think its a big part of it when you game plan for a QB who is a pocket passer and in comes Vick.

[surferskin 30]

Just stop, Sho Nuff. The packers wouldn't have stopped Vick, had they prepared for him as the starter. That argument sounded a lot better before Vick sliced up every defense he's faced this year. The packers wouldn't have been any different.

[braylonjetwards 0]

First, I was giving the Eagles and Vick credit for one oustanding game. There was talk in this thread about how amazing both the Eagles and Vick were. My comments weren't limited to Vick, but were more a reference to everyone crowning the Eagles already.

 

Second, even if Vick has been consistent in the games he's played in, is he really that amazing compared to other QBs? Ignoring the game in which he was injured vs. the Redskins, Vick averaged 25 fantasy points per game prior to the MNF game. It's better than the average of Rodgers, Rivers, Orton, and Manning, but not ridiculously better. Only about 7-8 pts/game.

 

Put it in context, have people gushed this much about Arian Foster and Adrian Peterson this season? They're the #1 & #2 RBs, Gore is #3. Foster averages 5 pts/game more than Gore, and AP averages 3 pts/game more.

 

It just seems like an inordinate amount of praise for Vick given such a small sample size of work. And it seems like everyone is ready to anoint him the fantasy king after one outstanding performance. I'm not.

You speak of a 7-8 point difference as if it is a trivial number. In fantasy 7-8 points is the difference between a win and a loss in a lot of weeks.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Just stop, Sho Nuff. The packers wouldn't have stopped Vick, had they prepared for him as the starter. That argument sounded a lot better before Vick sliced up every defense he's faced this year. The packers wouldn't have been any different.

17/29 for 218 and 1 TD

10 carries for 74 yards and 1 TD

 

That was against the Colts...whose D is nowhere near as good as the Packers D right now.

Held the Eagles to 26 points...Packers scored 27 in that game.

 

Why do some of you think the guy is completely unstoppable?

Did you already forget last week?

 

Im not saying they for sure would have...but just going and saying they would not have been able to stop them is ignorant...but expected from you for sure.

[BingoBrown 8]

You speak of a 7-8 point difference as if it is a trivial number. In fantasy 7-8 points is the difference between a win and a loss in a lot of weeks.

 

It can be, sure. But the important thing to note in fantasy football is opportunity cost. If having Vick on your team nets you 7-8 pts over another top flight QB, that's fine, but if you can have other quality players that net you even more, then that's the better play.

 

Say, for instance, we're at next year's draft. Let's do it auction, so any player can be yours, if you're willing to pay the price. How ridiculous do you think Vick's price will be if he ends up averaging 25 pts/game this season? Pretty high, probably in the territory of the high-end RBs, and probably higher than the high-end WRs. If you blow $50 or $60 on Vick, that leaves you strapped for cash with the rest of your players. So instead of Adrian Peterson, you may have to settle for Cedric Benson. Now, if you pass on Vick and pay a reasonable price for another high-end QB, like Rivers/Rodgers/Brees/Orton, you'll be able to buy a guy like Peterson.

 

The point is, Vick may be scoring 7-8 points per game, but you can find that other ways. Sure, the best strategy is to have all the top scoring players, but you're generally not going to be able to pull that off.