PATSSOX 22 Posted August 2, 2011 My buddy runs a 10 league keeper league. Each team has had the option to keep 2 people right now. I have agreed to join, after little added incentive because i am not fan of scoring system, so he is trying to add 2 teams for a total of 12 teams. Is there a way to add 2 teams in a keeper league that is fair for everyone? I dont see how you can do it. If you drop the keeper option to 1 that still is not very fair as the new teams will have one of top 2 picks and the other guys will be loaded again picking behind you. Its basically 2 expansion teams. Its not a cheap league either so im not too thrilled about that. Anyone know of a good way to do this? Or no good way? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gocolts 300 Posted August 2, 2011 Sounds like a good way to fock up the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted August 2, 2011 Sounds like a good way to fock up the league. Thats what i was thinking too. Im gonna tell him not to do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flgatorguy87 160 Posted August 2, 2011 Ya, sounds like an argument waiting to happen. We are going on 4 years with a 10 team 2 keeper league. I think it's a blast. You should just roll with it, it's fantasy football how bad can it be? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boilermaker04 11 Posted August 2, 2011 My buddy runs a 10 league keeper league. Each team has had the option to keep 2 people right now. I have agreed to join, after little added incentive because i am not fan of scoring system, so he is trying to add 2 teams for a total of 12 teams. Is there a way to add 2 teams in a keeper league that is fair for everyone? I dont see how you can do it. If you drop the keeper option to 1 that still is not very fair as the new teams will have one of top 2 picks and the other guys will be loaded again picking behind you. Its basically 2 expansion teams. Its not a cheap league either so im not too thrilled about that. Anyone know of a good way to do this? Or no good way? Do you have to give up a draft spot for each keeper? Any draft spot or based on ADP? Off the cuff, I think you could use the option to trade away players to the expansion teams in exchange of their picks and it would help keep it fair-ish... only if the league accepts it, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
We Tigers 71 Posted August 2, 2011 If you give up draft spots for the keepers, then just let the new teams pick their draft order and go from there. If you guys want to be #1 and #2, you get it; if you want to go in the middle, you get that. You'll be at a small disadvantage this year, but that's okay. Your fantasy football skills will lead you to victory. If it's totally unrestricted, maybe do a 2-team expansion round at the beginning of the draft, and then one at the end (or somewhere arbitrary, like between the 8th and 9th rounds)? Or, outside the box; do a 1. Patsox; 2. Other guy; 2. Other guy; 1. Patsox thing to get you two extra players from the outset. A two-round expansion draft to make up for the keepers, but add a wrinkle of each existing team being able to "protect" some number of additional players on their roster--maybe 2? That way the new teams still get a shot at good players, but they can't just go Charles/Rice because some guy drafted both of them, but wanted to keep Vick and Foster instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted August 2, 2011 Do you have to give up a draft spot for each keeper? Any draft spot or based on ADP? Off the cuff, I think you could use the option to trade away players to the expansion teams in exchange of their picks and it would help keep it fair-ish... only if the league accepts it, though. yes that is the way they have been doing it. That sounds like a good idea. They are having a meeting on Wednesday to discuss it i told him there is no reason for me to go. There are 4 teams that have 2 or 3 really good players that i cant see them agree to do much. If i was in there shoes i would not want to either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prancers 0 Posted August 2, 2011 yes that is the way they have been doing it. That sounds like a good idea. They are having a meeting on Wednesday to discuss it i told him there is no reason for me to go. There are 4 teams that have 2 or 3 really good players that i cant see them agree to do much. If i was in there shoes i would not want to either. Seems like it would be fair for the 2 expansion teams to pick the 2 keepers they want after the other 10 teams keep their guys (and then lose the same picks as the original owners would have). They obviously wouldn't have the best keepers, but probably not the worst either. I'm sure some guys have 3 really good options... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted August 2, 2011 Seems like it would be fair for the 2 expansion teams to pick the 2 keepers they want after the other 10 teams keep their guys (and then lose the same picks as the original owners would have). They obviously wouldn't have the best keepers, but probably not the worst either. I'm sure some guys have 3 really good options... Thats not a bad idea right there. They are voting on it tomorrow night. thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stewburtx8 67 Posted August 2, 2011 Seems like it would be fair for the 2 expansion teams to pick the 2 keepers they want after the other 10 teams keep their guys (and then lose the same picks as the original owners would have). They obviously wouldn't have the best keepers, but probably not the worst either. I'm sure some guys have 3 really good options... This is what I would do. In a 2 player keeper league, there should be some decent players being thrown back. For example, in my 2 player keeper league, one team has Foster, Rice, Calvin, and Brees. So Calvin and Brees would be available. One team has AP, Nicks, and Jennings so either Nicks or Jennings would be available. My team has McCoy, Fitzgerald, and Vick, so Vick will be available. The two new teams may not start out with the best keepers, but they wouldn't be at a huge disadvantage either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted August 2, 2011 This is what I would do. In a 2 player keeper league, there should be some decent players being thrown back. For example, in my 2 player keeper league, one team has Foster, Rice, Calvin, and Brees. So Calvin and Brees would be available. One team has AP, Nicks, and Jennings so either Nicks or Jennings would be available. My team has McCoy, Fitzgerald, and Vick, so Vick will be available. The two new teams may not start out with the best keepers, but they wouldn't be at a huge disadvantage either. I suggested that keeper # be 1 instead of 2. I dont think some will go for it but it would make the player pool be alot more attractive. There are 3 or 4 teams that would not let that pass and i dont blame them. Here are some of the potential keepers. Still cant figure out how the team with Charles, Rice, MJD and Calvin Johnson just went 9-8? Ill highlight guys id most likely keep if i was them. Yes there are some gay names. team 1 (11-6) QB Aaron Rodgers, GB QB RB Ahmad Bradshaw, NYG RB WR Reggie Wayne, Ind WR Bench DeSean Jackson, Phi WR team 2(9-8) RB Arian Foster, Hou RB Bench Frank Gore, SF RB Bench Andre Johnson, Hou WR Bench Knowshon Moreno, Den RB team 3 (9-8) RB Chris Johnson, Ten WR Greg Jennings, GB Bench Tom Brady, NE QB Bench Peyton Hillis, Cle RB team 4(8-9) RB Adrian Peterson, Min RB RB Matt Forte, Chi RB RB Darren McFadden, Oak Team 5(9-8) QB Peyton Manning, Ind QB RB Michael Turner, Atl WR Miles Austin, Dal WR Hakeem Nicks, NYG team 6(8-9) RB Steven Jackson, StL RB LeSean McCoy, Phi team 7(9-8) RB Jamaal Charles, KC RB Ray Rice, Bal RB Maurice Jones-Drew, Jac WR Calvin Johnson, Det TEAM 8(8-9) QB Drew Brees, NO WR Larry Fitzgerald, Ari TE Antonio Gates, SD TE TEAM 9 (3-14) Bench Michael Vick, Phi QB team 10(11-6) RB Rashard Mendenhall, Pit RB RB/WR Roddy White, Atl WR WR Dwayne Bowe, KC WR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius 0 Posted August 2, 2011 I really only skimmed this thread, so excuse me if I missed something. But here's what you do: For the purposes of the expansion draft, each Keeper is worth a 1st, then second round pick, for the 10 existing teams. If you already do it this way, fine. If the rounds you sacrifice for Keepers is different, too bad - you have to do it this way for the purposes of expansion - and to get the new teams in on ground level. If this causes someone to suck-hole out and go home, replace their sorry asses at the same time. This should not be a problem for a solid, well-designed money league. Then, in every other year going forward, you can go back to the alternate method of Keeper selection vs. loss of picks. Next, map out the existing Keepers onto the Draft Board, and simultaneously factor in where the new guys will Draft. This means that your draft board looks like this, hypothetically that the new guys end with say, positions #3 and # 8. Owners: Team TDs, Yippie, Expansion #1, Beer,SWAG, Texas, Expansion #2, Click, N Dalton, Pruitt, Cleavage, Let me. Round 1: Rodgers, Foster, XX CJ, AP, Peyton, LeSean, XX, Charles, Fitz, Vick, Mendy Round 2: Wayne, AJ, XX, Jennings, Forte, Nicks, SJax, XX, Rice, Brees, noone, White I have picked the Keepers, for fun. Then, you have your Serpentine Draft as normal, with the Expansion teams picking alone in Rounds #1 and #2. Yes, they are at a slight disadvantage for the Expansion year, but this will not matter the year thereafter, as the values will fluxuate enough to make two Keepers viable for them, assuming they are not complete dolts. Notice that they could pick up Wallace, Brees, Brady, Mendy, Turner, or some other viable keepers right away, and if they draft young, players like Thomas, Ingram or other up- and comers will be there for 2012. Bob's your mother's brother. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius 0 Posted August 2, 2011 With the non-even spread of high-end Keepers, the method I selected looks even better. The Expansion teams will be instantly competitive. The guy who has Vick should sacrifice only his 1st rounder, keep only Vick, and draft with the expansion teams in round two ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted August 2, 2011 The easy way out is to just propose a clean wipe of rosters and draft new keeper teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeWeasel 0 Posted August 3, 2011 The easy way out is to just propose a clean wipe of rosters and draft new keeper teams. Thats a ridiculous suggestion. The reality is that keepers rarely mean as much as people think once the season starts. This is just a simple keep-2 league. That's practically nothing. The league should just open the two spots for new teams to come in and draft from scratch. The two new teams will get 2 extra spots to draft with vs everyone else, since they have no keepers to worry about. If no one wants to join under that system, that's fine. You run another year like normal and have fun. If the OP wants in on the league then just join and have fun with your extra two picks. If the OP wants all kinds of concessions for playing fantasy football the comissioner should tell him to find another league. Concessions and weak commissioners ruin leagues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted August 3, 2011 Thats a ridiculous suggestion. The reality is that keepers rarely mean as much as people think once the season starts. This is just a simple keep-2 league. That's practically nothing. The league should just open the two spots for new teams to come in and draft from scratch. The two new teams will get 2 extra spots to draft with vs everyone else, since they have no keepers to worry about. If no one wants to join under that system, that's fine. You run another year like normal and have fun. If the OP wants in on the league then just join and have fun with your extra two picks. If the OP wants all kinds of concessions for playing fantasy football the comissioner should tell him to find another league. Concessions and weak commissioners ruin leagues. Well, redrafting is not the BEST idea, but I don't think it's "ridiculous". Even you said keep 2 is "practically nothing". So why not just redraft everything. You probably will have just as much b1tching about where the new teams' extra draft spots will be as people b1tching about letting their 2 keepers go and redrafting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted August 4, 2011 Well they voted to change to just 1 keeper. So we have 4 new teams. The 4 of us will pick a keeper and i have #4 pick in "expansion" draft but i did get the #1 overall pick So i will get 2 players before anyone else gets to pick so wont be too bad. The 8 keepers are 1-Rodgers 2-Foster 3-Mccoy 4-Chris johnson 5-Roddy white 6-Brees 7-Manning 8-Charles 9-Rice 10-AP 11-Vick 12-????? I will have the choice of 2 of these players Tom Brady, NE QB Darren McFadden, Oak RB Matt Forte, Chi RB Maurice Jones-Drew, Jac RB Michael Turner, Atl RB Steven Jackson, StL RB Rashard Mendenhall, Pit RB Frank Gore, SF RB Peyton Hillis, Cle RB Andre Johnson, Hou WR Calvin Johnson, Det WR Hakeem Nicks, NYG WR Miles Austin, Dal WR Reggie Wayne, Ind WR Greg Jennings, GB WR The league is a PPR league with some differ scoring. Pass Td= 4 pts Completion= 1 pt INT= -3 300+ yards= +5 400+ yards= +10 The top 24 scorers were all QBs and the highest non QB was Arian Foster. Here is how they finished last year. Rank-total pts-average per game Peyton Manning, Ind QB 1 817 51.1 Drew Brees, NO QB 2 795 49.7 Philip Rivers, SD QB 3 721 45.1 Matt Schaub, Hou QB 4 690 43.1 Aaron Rodgers, GB QB 5 676 42.3 Tom Brady, NE QB 6 675 42.2 Carson Palmer, Cin QB 7 645 40.3 Matt Ryan, Atl QB 8 641 40.1 Eli Manning, NYG QB 9 632 39.5 Michael Vick, Phi QB 10 594 37.1 Joe Flacco, Bal QB 11 576 36 Josh Freeman, TB QB 11 576 36 Sam Bradford, StL QB 11 576 36 Kyle Orton, Den QB 14 573 35.8 Matt Cassel, KC QB 15 525 32.8 Mark Sanchez, NYJ QB 16 515 32.2 Jay Cutler, Chi QB 17 507 31.7 Chad Henne, Mia QB 18 498 31.1 Donovan McNabb, Was QB 19 494 30.9 Roethlisberger, Pit QB 19 494 30.9 Fitzpatrick, Buf QB 21 493 30.8 David Garrard, Jac QB 22 485 30.3 Matt Hasselbeck, Sea QB 23 457 28.6 Arian Foster, Hou RB 1 428 26.8 Peyton Hillis, Cle RB 2 315 19.7 LeSean McCoy, Phi RB 3 306 19.1 Chris Johnson, Ten RB 4 304 19 Adrian Peterson, Min RB 5 295 18.4 Jamaal Charles, KC RB 6 292 18.3 Darren McFadden, Oak RB 7 291 18.2 Matt Forte, Chi RB 8 274 17.1 Ray Rice, Bal RB 9 273 17.1 MJD, Jac RB 10 259 16.2 Ahmad Bradshaw, NYG RB 11 258 16.1 Michael Turner, Atl RB 12 256 16 Steven Jackson, StL RB 13 250 15.6 Mendenhall, Pit RB 14 245 15.3 Frank Gore, SF RB 15 222 13.9 Cedric Benson, Cin RB 16 211 13.2 Tomlinson, NYJ RB 17 206 12.9 Knowshon Moreno, Den RB 18 201 12.6 Green-Ellis, NE RB 19 198 12.4 Fred Jackson, Buf RB 20 197 12.3 Mike Tolbert, SD RB 21 194 12.1 Jahvid Best, Det RB 22 192 12 Felix Jones, Dal RB 23 178 11.1 Roddy White, Atl WR 1 340 21.3 Brandon Lloyd, Den WR 2 310 19.4 Reggie Wayne, Ind WR 3 300 18.8 Dwayne Bowe, KC WR 4 297 18.6 Greg Jennings, GB WR 5 294 18.4 Andre Johnson, Hou WR 6 280 17.5 Calvin Johnson, Det WR 7 279 17.4 Mike Wallace, Pit WR 8 277 17.3 Hakeem Nicks, NYG WR 9 264 16.5 Steve Johnson, Buf WR 10 256 16 Fitzgerald, Ari WR 11 251 15.7 Santana Moss, Was WR 12 248 15.5 Miles Austin, Dal WR 13 246 15.4 Terrell Owens, Cin WR 14 239 14.9 Marques Colston, NO WR 15 237 14.8 Jeremy Maclin, Phi WR 16 231 14.4 Mike Williams, TB WR 17 225 14.1 B Marshall, Mia WR 18 220 13.8 DeSean Jackson, Phi WR 18 220 13.8 Manningham, NYG WR 20 219 13.7 Percy Harvin, Min WR 21 214 13.4 Wes Welker, NE WR 22 212 13.3 Anquan Boldin, Bal WR 23 198 12.4 Either gonna go Andre and Calvin or Andre and MJD or Forte Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted August 4, 2011 HOLLY SH!T the last 2 guys to pick their keepers before actually did not take AP and Vick One picked Brady and the other picked Vick so i have last keeper to pick and i am taking Andre Johnson And i have #1 pick and AP is still available. Only reason i did not pick AP was because RB is more likely to get hurt in preseason and does not really matter but i will have AP and AJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
