LSU/Alabama rematch for the National Championship.

[JT 137]

Anyone know the source for this?

 

There are a few fairly well regarded ones and, as expected, they vary a bit.

 

 

http://www.gberatings.com/sos/

 

OSU 10, LSU 16, Bama 32

 

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt11.htm

 

OSU 6, LSU 18, Bama 23

 

 

http://www.fbschedules.com/2011/06/phil-steele-2011-college-football-strength-of-schedule-rankings/

 

LSU 5, OSU 18, Alabama 24

[Stewburtx8 67]

There are a few fairly well regarded ones and, as expected, they vary a bit.

 

 

http://www.gberatings.com/sos/

 

OSU 10, LSU 16, Bama 32

 

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt11.htm

 

OSU 6, LSU 18, Bama 23

 

 

http://www.fbschedules.com/2011/06/phil-steele-2011-college-football-strength-of-schedule-rankings/

 

LSU 5, OSU 18, Alabama 24

 

 

Here is another good one from Anderson and Hester (one of the computers used in the BCS rankings)... OSU 9th, LSU 14th, Alabama 22nd...

 

http://andersonsports.com/football/ACF_frnk.html

 

 

Your last link from Steele was actually posted BEFORE the season I believe. I think a lot of people got the "OSU 10th, LSU 16th, Alabama 38th" from the Rick Reilly article on ESPN (that's where I saw it). Those numbers didn't include this last week of games though I don't think.

[DanXIII 8]

There are a few fairly well regarded ones and, as expected, they vary a bit.

 

 

http://www.gberatings.com/sos/

 

OSU 10, LSU 16, Bama 32

 

 

http://www.usatoday....garin/fbt11.htm

 

OSU 6, LSU 18, Bama 23

 

 

http://www.fbschedul...edule-rankings/

 

LSU 5, OSU 18, Alabama 24

 

None of those say what your original post says but w/e. The first one was created by Kenneth Massey. The second was Sagarin. The third was Phil Steele. I dunno if Steele does a poll but, fwiw, both Massey and Sagarin's polls have Alabama ahead of OSU.

[JT 137]

None of those say what your original post says but w/e. The first one was created by Kenneth Massey. The second was Sagarin. The third was Phil Steele. I dunno if Steele does a poll but, fwiw, both Massey and Sagarin's polls have Alabama ahead of OSU.

 

Actually, the Massey rating has LSU #1, OSU #2, Bama #3

 

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf&mid=6

 

Moved Oklahoma State up from 3 last week.

 

The first one of my previous post should read "Alabama 34" not 32. Typo on my part. They moved up from 38; that was prior to last week's games. LSU and OSU didn't move.

Sorry. No attempt to mislead; 32 or 34 or 38, take your pick.

[DanXIII 8]

Actually, the Massey rating has LSU #1, OSU #2, Bama #3

 

http://www.masseyrat...php?lg=cf&mid=6

 

Moved Oklahoma State up from 3 last week.

 

You're right, apparently my link was outdated, which is strange considering that it had all of the games listed.

 

http://www.masseyrat.../rate.php?lg=cf

 

I guess I should point out that Massey's BCS computer also has OSU 2 and Alabama 3. Sagarin's and Wolfe's computers are the two with Bama at #2.

[LSUtiger 9]

Until there is a playoff NCAA football will be a joke without a true national champion.

 

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-bcschampionship

 

Um, if LSU wins we would have completed arguably the most impressive run of any BCS-era team considering the no. 1 schedule in the nation and defeating the vaunted Crimson Tide twice - neither of which came at home.

 

Plus, LSU winning leaves us with the only undefeated team in the country. That, my friends, is as true a national champion as you will get.

[VinegarStrokes 0]

I am curious what the SEC's out of conference record is this year. Anyone have a source?

[LSUtiger 9]

I am curious what the SEC's out of conference record is this year. Anyone have a source?

 

Not off hand but LSU obviously went undefeated OOC this season and that includes dominant wins over now PAC-12 Champion Oregon and Big East Champion West Virginia. Look, I'm with you guys that Bama shouldn't have sniffed the BCSNCG. But LSU's inclusion should be unquestioned.

[Bishop82 61]

I am curious what the SEC's out of conference record is this year. Anyone have a source?

 

Edit: This was Alabama's out of conference schedule

 

 

Kent State W 48-7

#23 Penn State W 27-11

North Texas W 41-0

Georgia Southern W 45-21

 

Let me know if this is incorrect?

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I am curious what the SEC's out of conference record is this year. Anyone have a source?

I just did the math and came up with 43-7.

[phillybear 366]

Not off hand but LSU obviously went undefeated OOC this season and that includes dominant wins over now PAC-12 Champion Oregon and Big East Champion West Virginia.

 

Didn't Oregon turn the ball over 11 times, and didn't West Virginia put up 700 of offense on that LSU defense? Hardly dominating. LSU was lucky to win either game.

 

HTH.

[LSUtiger 9]

Didn't Oregon turn the ball over 11 times, and didn't West Virginia put up 700 of offense on that LSU defense? Hardly dominating. LSU was lucky to win either game.

 

HTH.

 

Lucky? Riiiight, philly. Believe what you'd like (I've seen your CFB bets by the way, bravo.) You must've bet against LSU a few times.

 

We beat Oregon 40-27 and WVU 47-21 with our backup QB (Lee) and neither game was at home. Boy, how "fortunate" we were to win. By the way, LSU has the toughest schedule in the country. 13-0 against that? You have no argument whatsoever.

[DanXIII 8]

Edit: This was Alabama's out of conference schedule

 

 

Kent State W 48-7

#23 Penn State W 27-11

North Texas W 41-0

Georgia Southern W 45-21

 

Let me know if this is incorrect?

 

You are correct. The 1 and 1 with Pedo State was actually a departure for AL, as they had prior to last year been playing neutral-site games against Va Tech, FSU, Clemson, etc. Most SEC schools have weak OOC schedules. Most big schools period have weak OOC schedules. The reason for this is simple: Fans, boosters and alumni demand AT LEAST 7 home games per season. You won't get that unless you schedule cupcakes willing to come to your house and take a pounding (usually accompanied by a six-figure payday, which does help the cupcake schools' budgets).

 

Until there is a playoff I don't see this changing anytime soon as there is more money to be made scheduling mid-majors to play you at home than there is incentive to beef up the strength of schedule.

[mobb_deep 920]

This is so dumb.

 

They already played on a neutral field and LSU won.

 

Now if Alabama wins round two, the only real fair outcome would be a "co-championship".

 

But alas, I'm sure it will be another boring game, with LSU winning, just like the first.

[LSUtiger 9]

This is so dumb.

 

They already played on a neutral field and LSU won.

 

Now if Alabama wins round two, the only real fair outcome would be a "co-championship".

 

Can't disagree with you at all. I'll go a step further, LSU beat Bama AT Bama. Nowhere near a neutral site.

[JT 137]

By the way, LSU has the toughest schedule in the country.

 

No, they don't. That's been clearly established in this thread. It's pretty good ...certainly far better than Alabama's... but nobody has it ranked as the best. Only one of the highly regarded sources has it rated as tougher than Oklahoma State's.

 

Anyway, most people aren't disputing LSU. It's Alabama that doesn't belong.

[LSUtiger 9]

No, they don't. That's been clearly established in this thread. It's pretty good ...certainly far better than Alabama's... but nobody has it ranked as the best. Only one of the highly regarded sources has it rated as tougher than Oklahoma State's.

 

Anyway, most people aren't disputing LSU. It's Alabama that doesn't belong.

 

Fair enough. That said, who else out there could even come close to posting three wins over current top 10 teams (Oregon, Bama, Arkansas) and two conference champions (Oregon, WVU)? Will be four wins over top 10 teams if LSU takes care of Bama again. That's pretty incredible all in all.

 

I'm bowing out though - I realize the handwringing is over Bama and I don't disagree whatsoever with their inclusion. It's a load of bull and it should've been Oke State without question.

[DanXIII 8]

Fair enough. That said, who else out there could even come close to posting three wins over current top 10 teams (Oregon, Bama, Arkansas) and two conference champions (Oregon, WVU)? Will be four wins over top 10 teams if LSU takes care of Bama again. That's pretty incredible all in all.

 

I'm bowing out though - I realize the handwringing is over Bama and I don't disagree whatsoever with their inclusion. It's a load of bull and it should've been Oke State without question.

 

Agree with everything here but the last sentence. There is every bit as valid an argument to be made for Bama as there is for OSU. It just depends on what statistics people want to cling to (and personal biases) as to who they think should have been there.

 

I am obviously biased so my opinion is fwiw but I know that Vegas thinks Bama is a better team than OSU. Again fwiw.

[phillybear 366]

Lucky? Riiiight, philly. Believe what you'd like (I've seen your CFB bets by the way, bravo.) You must've bet against LSU a few times.

 

We beat Oregon 40-27 and WVU 47-21 with our backup QB (Lee) and neither game was at home. Boy, how "fortunate" we were to win. By the way, LSU has the toughest schedule in the country. 13-0 against that? You have no argument whatsoever.

 

I don't dispute LSU in the "championship". No worries. Congrats on your team's success. But I wouldn't call those two particular wins dominating, and the schedule was not the toughest. It's a case of final score not equaling the box score.

 

Good luck.

[ttmm 0]

Can't disagree with you at all. I'll go a step further, LSU beat Bama AT Bama. Nowhere near a neutral site.

 

If I were an LSU fan, I would be pissed about having to play Bama again. Bama had their chance (at home) and they lost fair-and-square. Let someone else have a shot. A Bama win over LSU on a neutral field will only even the series at 1-1. The only fair thing to do, at that point, would be play a 3rd time at LSU.

[mobb_deep 920]

Can't disagree with you at all. I'll go a step further, LSU beat Bama AT Bama. Nowhere near a neutral site.

 

Ahh, my bad. I thought it was at the Georgia Dome for some reason.

 

In that case, if Alabama wins, LSU should still be national champ. LSU beat Bama at Bama, and best case for Bama is a win on a neutral field. Win on road > Win on neutral field = LSU Champs.

 

PS. I'm a Michigan fan. No horse in this race.

[LSUtiger 9]

If I were an LSU fan, I would be pissed about having to play Bama again. Bama had their chance (at home) and they lost fair-and-square. Let someone else have a shot. A Bama win over LSU on a neutral field will only even the series at 1-1. The only fair thing to do, at that point, would be play a 3rd time at LSU.

 

Oh believe me, many LSU fans aren't very happy to draw Bama again and for all the reasons you already mentioned. We're maintaining the positive - that beating Saban and those Gumps for the second time this season would just be the biggest possible cherry on our most successful season in school history.

[LSUtiger 9]

Ahh, my bad. I thought it was at the Georgia Dome for some reason.

 

In that case, if Alabama wins, LSU should still be national champ. LSU beat Bama at Bama, and best case for Bama is a win on a neutral field. Win on road > Win on neutral field = LSU Champs.

 

PS. I'm a Michigan fan. No horse in this race.

 

It's going to be a very bitter pill to swallow should Bama win the rematch, I can say that much.

 

BTW, I'm glad to see Michigan in the Sugar. I'm a native New Orleanian so it'll be great seeing the Maize & Blue roaming around down here as a change of pace. Good luck to you guys!

[DanXIII 8]

Les Miles and the team seemed pretty happy about it on Sunday

 

And the ironing of a Michigan fan arguing this year that pretty much any team doesn't belong in a certain bowl is most delicious

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

And the ironing of a Michigan fan arguing this year that pretty much any team doesn't belong in a certain bowl is most delicious

Was the Michigan fan wrinkly? You botched the crap out of that.

 

LSU Grad?

[mobb_deep 920]

Les Miles and the team seemed pretty happy about it on Sunday

 

And the ironing of a Michigan fan arguing this year that pretty much any team doesn't belong in a certain bowl is most delicious

 

Where exactly did I say Michigan deserved to be in the Sugar Bowl? If life was fair and the BCS wasn't stupid, it should have been Boise St. Just like it should have been Ok State vs. LSU. The whole BCS system is f'ing retarded.

 

Of course, I'm happy that Michigan got an at-large bid... We looked impressive against Nebraska blah blah blah... but this is all about $$$$. Denard Robinson and Michigan = mega bucks. Kellen Moore and a bunch of kids from the sticks = mega fail.

[DanXIII 8]

Was the Michigan fan wrinkly? You botched the crap out of that.

 

LSU Grad?

 

http://img01.useloos.com/galleries/patrick/ironing/10.jpg

 

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[Jarvis Basnight 119]

http://img01.useloos.com/galleries/patrick/ironing/10.jpg

 

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Linky no worky.

 

You are queer

[DanXIII 8]

Working fine over this way. Maybe your Commodore 64 is finally crapping out on you?

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Working fine over this way. Maybe your Commodore 64 is finally crapping out on you?

WTH is my commodore 64? Is that some sort of backwoods SEC code?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Um, if LSU wins we would have completed arguably the most impressive run of any BCS-era team considering the no. 1 schedule in the nation and defeating the vaunted Crimson Tide twice - neither of which came at home.

 

Plus, LSU winning leaves us with the only undefeated team in the country. That, my friends, is as true a national champion as you will get.

#1 schedule in the nation? Based on what? The SOC rankings of LSU, OK State, and Alabama have been posted in this thread and OK State had the hardest of the 3.

 

Getting to play for the NC against a team you already beat doesn't mean you are the true Champion. It means you didn't have to play OK State, which was ranked higher than Alabama by the BCS computers.

 

Nope, you will get a big * next to the title if you win, as all of them are as long as there isn't a playoff.

[Lay the Mallett Down 0]

Arguing that beating WV was a good win is like saying that beating the Colts is a good win. All teams from the Big East are crap, including WV. I know they have Geno Smith. Whatever, doesn't make them good. As for the NC, I wouldn't be so angry about this game if the first one hadn't been such a boring game. And the ridiculous SEC bias. Bama dropped from #2 to #3 when they lost. One spot. The only team to drop one spot after a loss. SEC bias.

[VinegarStrokes 0]

You guys keep saying OK St. deserves to be there, stating toughest schedule... blah blah blah. Stanford lost to #5 Oregon. OK St. lost to unranked Iowa St. This thread deserves the ghey term "C'mon Man"

 

 

I can't wait to come back to this thread after it is all said and done when Stanford whoops OK St.

[SaintsInDome2006 650]

Didn't Oregon turn the ball over 11 times, and didn't West Virginia put up 700 of offense on that LSU defense? Hardly dominating. LSU was lucky to win either game.

 

HTH.

 

Ha, yeah, lSU did a fair amount of making takeaways on their own effort and winning in WVa period but especially when they post that many yards is a hel;l of an accomplishment.

[SaintsInDome2006 650]

Oregon lost to LSU and dropped multiple spots in the polls.

 

Every Top 10 team in the country that lost dropped multiple spots in the polls. Except Alabama.

 

Every team that beat a Top 12 opponent moved up in the polls. Except Oklahoma State.

 

Strength of schedule: OSU #10, LSU #16, Alabama #38

 

OSU beat 4 teams in the Top 10 SOS. Alabama beat 3.

 

Alabama already lost to LSU.

 

Oklahoma State should be playing.

 

 

What out of this schedule is supposed to impress me the most outside the win vs OU?

 

1 Sep 3, 2011 Sat (9) Oklahoma State Louisiana-Lafayette Sun Belt W 61 34 1 0 W 1

2 Sep 8, 2011 Thu (9) Oklahoma State Arizona Pac-12 W 37 14 2 0 W 2

3 Sep 17, 2011 Sat (8) Oklahoma State @ Tulsa CUSA W 59 33 3 0 W 3

4 Sep 24, 2011 Sat (7) Oklahoma State @ (8) Texas A&M Big 12 W 30 29 4 0 W 4

5 Oct 8, 2011 Sat (6) Oklahoma State Kansas Big 12 W 70 28 5 0 W 5

6 Oct 15, 2011 Sat (6) Oklahoma State @ (22) Texas Big 12 W 38 26 6 0 W 6

7 Oct 22, 2011 Sat (6) Oklahoma State @ Missouri Big 12 W 45 24 7 0 W 7

8 Oct 29, 2011 Sat (3) Oklahoma State Baylor Big 12 W 59 24 8 0 W 8

9 Nov 5, 2011 Sat (3) Oklahoma State (17) Kansas State Big 12 W 52 45 9 0 W 9

10 Nov 12, 2011 Sat (2) Oklahoma State @ Texas Tech Big 12 W 66 6 10 0 W 10

11 Nov 18, 2011 Fri (2) Oklahoma State @ Iowa State Big 12 L 31 37 10 1 L 1

12 Dec 3, 2011 Sat (3) Oklahoma State (13) Oklahoma Big 12 W 44 10 11 1 W 1

 

I'm a UT grad myself but they started 9 underclassmen on defense this year, just not a good year for Longhorn football. Tx A&M folded after a strong start. Who else? Baylor? Honestly? They got KSU at home. Last year this team was 11-2 and in the ALAMO BOWL; this year they are one loss better, 11-1, and they're in the BCS championship?

 

The Iowa State game: on the road or otherwise this is IOWA STATE we are talking about here. IOWA STATE. Ames Iowa is not some legendarily tough place to play where legends go to be toppled... like say Morgantown W VA. I have no idea what the loss of the basketball team members should have meant but if anything it should have made them MORE motivated.

 

Having said all this, I DO think OSU should be the challenger for LSU, not Alabama.

 

1. The rule should be conference champions only in the BCS. But heck DEFINITELY no 3rd place teams. Alabama is - LITERALLY - the No. 3 team in the SEC. They ***cannot be No. 2 nationally.

 

2. The rule should be NO REMATCHES. You lose in the season to a ranked team that ends up No. 1, that's it, you should be done, thank you for playing, you had your chance.

 

3. By my count there are 7 major conferences, ACC, Big East, SEC, Big XII, Pac 12, Big 10, Mountain West/CUSA (merging next year). This is supposed to be a NATIONAL, intersectional championship. The teams should be mandatorily ranked 1-7 by conference leaders, and then move from there. In cases of ambiguity I would give the higher rank to the team from the conference who has been longer away from the BCS and/or a championship. This year there is no ambiguity, OSU has clearly had a better season than the champs from the remaining 5 conferences.

[JT 137]

What out of this schedule is supposed to impress me the most outside the win vs OU?

 

Nobody needs to impress you. The computer systems; unbiased, processing facts only, say OSU has the toughest strength of schedule of the three teams.

[SaintsInDome2006 650]

Nobody needs to impress you. The computer systems; unbiased, processing facts only, say OSU has the toughest strength of schedule of the three teams.

 

At the end of the day this is a human game played by humans for humans in front of humans. Some human somewhere somehow better be impressed.

[JT 137]

Stanford lost to #5 Oregon.

 

I can't wait to come back to this thread after it is all said and done when Stanford whoops OK St.

 

Yes they did. Badly. At home.

 

Be waiting for you. Everyone's welcome.

[VinegarStrokes 0]

Nobody needs to impress you. The computer systems; unbiased, processing facts only, say OSU has the toughest strength of schedule of the three teams.

I am thinking that those same "unbiased computer systems" are saying LSU #1 Alabama #2...

 

THEY LOST TO A 6 LOSS TEAM!

[JT 137]

At the end of the day this is a human game played by humans for humans in front of humans. Some human somewhere somehow better be impressed.

 

The influence human opinion has is, next to lack of a playoff, the single biggest problem with the system.

 

Either the humans voting have it right... they're the ones putting Alabama past Oklahoma State... or they have it wrong.