Ron Paul is a Hypocrite.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Ol' Ron Paul is running around saying how he would never meddle in other people's affairs, rails against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and tells us we have no business telling other countries what to do.

 

 

But, how did he vote in 2001 on the Authorization to Use Force in Afghanistan.

 

Yea TX-14 Paul, Ronald [R]

 

 

Oops!

 

Looks like he has some 'splainin to do.

 

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2001-342

[Mrsteak21 0]

Ol' Ron Paul is running around saying how he would never meddle in other people's affairs, rails against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and tells us we have no business telling other countries what to do.

 

 

But, how did he vote in 2001 on the Authorization to Use Force in Afghanistan.

 

 

 

 

Oops!

 

Looks like he has some 'splainin to do.

 

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2001-342

 

Congressman Paul supported going into Afghanistan and attacking those who attacked us on 9/11. He voted to give the President the authority to use force there. However, Congressman Paul noted that using force against the Taliban was not a declaration of war. He stated that to declare war against a group that is not a country makes the clear declaration of war more complex. Congressman Paul argued that the best tool the framers of the Constitution provided under those circumstances was the power of Congress to grant letters of marque and reprisals. He cautioned against entering into such a vague and undefined war, but in the end supported the resolution to use force as it was the only option available and doing nothing was unthinkable. Congressman Paul's desire was to have clearly defined objectives that would be provided in letter of reprisal or a declaration of war. An authorization to use force provides no clarity as to scope and purpose.

 

After the military victory over the Taliban was achieved, Congressman Paul began attempting to reign in US military presence there to avoid the vague and prolonged war he cautioned against in 2001. In 2002, Congressman Paul noted in a floor speech that war with Afghanistan was simply no longer necessary. He noted that the people who attacked us had already been defeated and to further destroy Afghanistan only to rebuild it out of some misplaced sense of duty was simply not necessary.

 

http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/House/Texas/Ron_Paul/Views/The_War_in_Afghanistan/

 

Afghanistan

 

Paul voted with the majority for the original Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists in Afghanistan.[213] considering that it was a response to the September 11 attacks. But over the years even though he initially supported the War in Afghanistan, Paul also advocates withdrawing troops from Afghanistan because he believes a decade of war in Afghanistan is enough.

 

Paul also stated,

 

“There really is nothing for us to win in Afghanistan. Our mission has morphed from apprehending those who attacked us, to apprehending those who threaten or dislike us for invading their country, to remaking an entire political system and even a culture … This is an expensive, bloody, endless exercise in futility. Not everyone is willing to admit this just yet. But every second they spend in denial has real costs in lives and livelihoods … Many of us can agree on one thing, however. Our military spending in general has grown way out of control.”

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul#Afghanistan

[Recliner Pilot 61]

So, Ron Paul says "there really is nothing for us to win in Afghanistan", yet he voted for war in Afghanistan.

 

 

Hmmmm........

[IAMWood 6]

So, Ron Paul says "there really is nothing for us to win in Afghanistan", yet he voted for war in Afghanistan.

 

 

Hmmmm........

 

Seriously dude, you are reaching.

 

I get your beefs with obama and stuff, but why isn't Ron Paul for what you stand for? A true Republican, small government, state's rights... what's your problem with him? I don't get it...

[Saint Elistan 106]

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hj107-64

 

The vote was not a Declaration of War. It was authorization to pursue the perpetrators of September 11th.

 

I don't expect you to understand the difference. Troll on.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Seriously dude, you are reaching.

 

I get your beefs with obama and stuff, but why isn't Ron Paul for what you stand for? A true Republican, small government, state's rights... what's your problem with him? I don't get it...

 

Because RP is a mainline GOP shill. Hates Obama for doing the same things he lauded Bush for doing. Hates Paul just because he isn't a traditional GOP.

 

Nothing more to see here.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Seriously dude, you are reaching.

 

 

 

Where am I reaching?

 

I brought a link where he voted for the Afghanistan war.

 

 

Steak brought a ling where Paul said there was nothing for us to win in Afghanistan.

 

 

Clear it up for me, Sport.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Hates Obama for doing the same things he lauded Bush for doing.

 

Exactly what would those things be?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hj107-64

 

The vote was not a Declaration of War. It was authorization to pursue the perpetrators of September 11th.

 

I don't expect you to understand the difference. Troll on.

 

 

Gotcha.

 

You don't think the "pursuit of the perpetrators of Sept 11th" in Afghanistan amounts to war.

 

I'm guessing all those who actually went to Afghanistan would disagree with you.

[IAMWood 6]

Where am I reaching?

 

I brought a link where he voted for the Afghanistan war.

 

 

Steak brought a ling where Paul said there was nothing for us to win in Afghanistan.

 

 

Clear it up for me, Sport.

 

Whatever so answer my question. I know direct questions are rough on you and all, but try.

 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Exactly what would those things be?

 

Gitmo for one. Killing that american citizen terrorist, the thing that enables them to arrest and detain citizens indefinately.

 

Bush did it? YAAYY!

 

Obama does it? BOOOO!!!

 

 

See the problem?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Whatever so answer my question. I know direct questions are rough on you and all, but try.

 

Your question was: What's my problem with him? Was that it?

 

Howsabout he is unelectable because of his nutty foreign policy positions.

 

Direct enough for ya?

 

Your turn: Where am I reaching?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Gitmo for one. Killing that american citizen terrorist, the thing that enables them to arrest and detain citizens indefinately.

 

Bush did it? YAAYY!

 

Obama does it? BOOOO!!!

 

 

See the problem?

 

Gitmo being open I support. Obama promised to close it, right?

 

Assassinating American terrorists? I know Obama has done that. Did Bush?

 

Detaining "citizens" indefinitely? Clear that one up for me, Sport. I know Obama just pushed through a bill that gave him that right, but I'm not familiar with a law during the Bush administration that gave him that power.

[IAMWood 6]

Your question was: What's my problem with him? Was that it?

 

Howsabout he is unelectable because of his nutty foreign policy positions.

 

Direct enough for ya?

 

Your turn: Where am I reaching?

 

Your reaching has already been exposed.

 

What nutty foreign policy positions? The fact that he thinks congress should determine if we go to war or not, you know, like the constitution says?

 

He is the only electable republican candidate, if you don't see that, then you should really reconsider what your beliefs are. It is Obama or Paul, those are the two choices, sorry to break it to you. Troll away if you gotta, it's pretty sad.

 

[Recliner Pilot 61]

The fact that he thinks congress should determine if we go to war or not, you know, like the constitution says?

 

No, Unlike Obama I agree that any military action should have Congressional approval. Just like when Ron Paul voted for war in Afghanistan.

 

Seems like senility has set in and Ron forgot about that vote..............or mebbe his excuse is that he was senile when he voted for war in 2001. Either way, it doesn't look good for ol' Ron.

[IGotWorms 3,317]

Why are you attacking Ron Paul? Usually you are all about Republicans. Is it because Rush Limbaugh and Fox News told you he was a loon?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Why are you attacking Ron Paul? Usually you are all about Republicans. Is it because Rush Limbaugh and Fox News told you he was a loon?

 

LMFAO.

 

You clowns always cry about me towing the Republican line, and when I go after a Republican you cry even more.

 

:lol:

[MDC 5,895]

LMFAO.

 

You clowns always cry about me towing the Republican line, and when I go after a Republican you cry even more.

 

:lol:

 

Attacking Ron Paul's "nutty" foreign policy IS the party line, sport.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Attacking Ron Paul's "nutty" foreign policy IS the party line, sport.

Which party?

[MDC 5,895]

Which party?

 

The Republican party establishment and their mouthpieces at Fox News have been ripping Ron Paul for months.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

The Republican party establishment and their mouthpieces at Fox News have been ripping Ron Paul for months.

 

So the Democrat party agrees with his foreign policy?

[IGotWorms 3,317]

So the Democrat party agrees with his foreign policy?

 

Probably not, but all the opposition thus far has come from the Republican party establishment. Which you parrot hook, line and sinker.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Probably not.

Probably not?????

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

RP, you'd be much happier if you just registered Dem. You are anything but conservative.

[IAMWood 6]

Just for the record RP, your choices are Ron Paul or Obama for President. I am letting you know that now. I would wager a sig bet, a suspension, or even a board suicide that it will be one of those two as winning the election, but I know you as a welcher already and I am not so it would not be a real bet any way so I won't do it. You need to understand that. And any non Ron Paul Republican candidate has no shot at getting elected in 2012. I am so glad I am not you, hypocrites are about as ugly as you get.

 

[Recliner Pilot 61]

RP, you'd be much happier if you just registered Dem. You are anything but conservative.

I don't like Ron Paul's positions on foreign policy, so that makes me liberal?

 

mmmkay

[DankNuggs 305]

LMFAO.

 

You clowns always cry about me towing the Republican line, and when I go after a Republican you cry even more.

 

:lol:

A link was IMMEDIATELY provided spelling out exactly what you were looking for... Paul has steadfastly been about defining foreign policy objectives and staying within those bounds...

 

Paul is without question the best candidate up for election... you have been brainwashed by the establishment to be cynical of those with integrity and values, and blindly support those who have shown in their careers to have none (Romney, Gingrich).

[hoytdwow 202]

He supported the invasion of Afghanistan, like most people, to find and kill the people who attacked us. When fockface Bush et. al abandoned that mission to test a political theory in Iraq, Afghanistan was starved of resources and the action there devolved into an unwinnable occupation. At that point, Paul, like most people, stopped supporting the war in Afghanistan.

Not sure how that's hypocrisy or hard to understand?

 

It's kind of like how a lot of people supported the war in Iraq until we found out it was a bunch of bullshit cooked up by Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Then we stopped supporting it.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

A link was IMMEDIATELY provided spelling out exactly what you were looking for... Paul has steadfastly been about defining foreign policy objectives and staying within those bounds...

 

Paul is without question the best candidate up for election... you have been brainwashed by the establishment to be cynical of those with integrity and values, and blindly support those who have shown in their careers to have none (Romney, Gingrich).

 

Where did I say I support Romney or Gingrich? Let me help you out, I have not.

 

You Paulistas are a funny bunch. If you don't adhere 100% to everything Paul says you are "brainwashed". Irony at it's finest.

[IAMWood 6]

Where did I say I support Romney or Gingrich? Let me help you out, I have not.

 

You Paulistas are a funny bunch. If you don't adhere 100% to everything Paul says you are "brainwashed". Irony at it's finest.

 

Who do you support then troll?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Who do you support then troll?

 

Said it many times. Whomever gets the nomination and runs against Obama. None of them could come close to being the complete disaster of a train wreck he is.

 

HTH

[parrot 789]

He supported the invasion of Afghanistan, like most people, to find and kill the people who attacked us. When fockface Bush et. al abandoned that mission to test a political theory in Iraq, Afghanistan was starved of resources and the action there devolved into an unwinnable occupation. At that point, Paul, like most people, stopped supporting the war in Afghanistan.

Not sure how that's hypocrisy or hard to understand?

 

 

There was never anything to "win" in Afghanistan. There was a group of terrorists that needed to be tagged and bagged. We were doing pretty well in that regard until some idiot decided we needed to open a franchise in Baghdad. I'm not really up on Paul's positions but I doubt he has ever said we shouldn't respond when attacked.

[Phurfur 70]

Said it many times. Whomever gets the nomination and runs against Obama. None of them could come close to being the complete disaster of a train wreck he is.

 

HTH

 

Ron Paul offers the only alternative to the status quo in this election. The rest of these clowns are just lesser versions of Obama just like GWB was.

[DankNuggs 305]

Ron Paul offers the only alternative to the status quo in this election. The rest of these clowns are just lesser versions of Obama just like GWB was.

True, but also any of them would lean the country in a different direction which would be good... It would at least allow the tough questions to be brought up to congress as opposed to getting squashed by our Campaigner in Chief.

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

I don't like Ron Paul's positions on foreign policy, so that makes me liberal?

 

mmmkay

No you denounce him because of one issue while supporting other candidates that are another Bush, Obama, Etc. None running are real conservatives but Paul, and you denounce him so quickly because he doesn't follow the same liberal Republican party line. You are a sheep.

 

Obomney, Robama. Same damn candidate and yet you won't support the one true conservative. You are a liberal.

[hoytdwow 202]

I don't like Ron Paul's positions on foreign policy, so that makes me liberal?

 

mmmkay

 

 

You got a war face?

[Phurfur 70]

True, but also any of them would lean the country in a different direction which would be good... It would at least allow the tough questions to be brought up to congress as opposed to getting squashed by our Campaigner in Chief.

 

I disagree, they will lead us down the same path only at a slower pace. Face it, we have become a Socialist country and there is nothing we can do about it. It is too late.

[MDC 5,895]

I disagree, they will lead us down the same path only at a slower pace. Face it, we have become a Socialist country and there is nothing we can do about it. It is too late.

 

Love it or leave it, Comrad.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

No you denounce him because of one issue while supporting other candidates that are another Bush, Obama, Etc. None running are real conservatives but Paul, and you denounce him so quickly because he doesn't follow the same liberal Republican party line. You are a sheep.

 

Obomney, Robama. Same damn candidate and yet you won't support the one true conservative. You are a liberal.

Exactly where have I "supported" the other candidates?

[Phurfur 70]

Love it or leave it, Comrad.

You must have forgotten that I am on the taking end. We all have to adapt to our environment and that is what I did. Keep up the fight comrade and thanks for the raise this year.