Potential Rule Change(s)

[bbascom 24]

I would like to propose a rule that would allow an owner to redraft their supplemental pick(s) if any of them are injured within 30 days of the start of the season and then again with 30 days after the All-Star break. The supplemental picks can make or break a season in this league. I believe GuardBum lost one of his first supplemental picks before the season even started. AJ Pollack went down for the season near the end of spring training if I remember right and all he could do was wait until the All-Star break to draft someone else.

 

Injured would be defined as sent to the 60 day DL or more I think.

 

Thoughts, other ideas for this possible rule change?

 

Definitely curious to see what everyone thinks.

 

Good luck with your draft rolls!

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

I would be against this injuries happen two supplemental players to drafted players to exclusive players I think it's just part of the game and something you have to deal with although I would be in favor of holding off on performing the supplemental draft until as late as possible

[GuardBum 82]

I brought this up last year bbascom. It'd almost be better to just ditch the first sup draft completely, which would promote more trading and also the issues of fairness regarding draft order. The weighted of current position at mid year sup works pretty well but this first one is always a contention.

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

not saying we would end up ditching the first supplemental completely, but if we did i'd likely #edjr. Or switch teams. Too many holes with the Rays to not have that annual supplemental to work with.

 

as for the injuries to supplemental draft players, again I dont see how its any different than an exclusive or drafted player going down OR an all-star break supplemental player going down.

[cmh6476 1,025]

Yeah I like the supp just so all can field a team. There were several years I wouldn't have had a ss if not for the supp draft.

[GuardBum 82]

as for the injuries to supplemental draft players, again I dont see how its any different than an exclusive or drafted player going down OR an all-star break supplemental player going down.

If the point of the first supplemental is truely to fill a hole in a roster, you figure now that hole is season long if that player goes down. It might not be any different if it was an exclusive or a drafted player but my point is trading has been down in recent years to fill those "holes" or the drafting strategy of the regular draft isn't to ensure they fill the roster. Teams wait until after the supp to trade or "finish" their team.

Let's use the Reds as an example. No regular fantasy roster is probably going to hope for Zack Cozart as a SS (no offense to Zack) but he does provide a little pop for the position. In fact almost the entire roster is exclusive so you WILL field a full team. Compete? I don't know but the point of this league started to try and take you players and turn that into a fantasy roster that would give you a chance to play.

The supplemental has not really been about legit filling holes in a few years.

 

I do think there needs to be an adjustment in the supplemental that will keep teams from stacking and also promote more trading.

[bbascom 24]

So my idea definitely didn't get much support.....

 

I do like GuardBums thoughts though. A change for the supplemental would be good I think. Maybe we could push it back until May 1st or something? That may make owners trade more and have to figure out how to fill their rosters a little better.

 

Not sure how much support this idea will get either but either way I definitely support WhiteWonders idea of pushing back the Sup Draft close to the start of the season as possible.

[posty 2,696]

If the point of the first supplemental is truely to fill a hole in a roster, you figure now that hole is season long if that player goes down. It might not be any different if it was an exclusive or a drafted player but my point is trading has been down in recent years to fill those "holes" or the drafting strategy of the regular draft isn't to ensure they fill the roster. Teams wait until after the supp to trade or "finish" their team.

Let's use the Reds as an example. No regular fantasy roster is probably going to hope for Zack Cozart as a SS (no offense to Zack) but he does provide a little pop for the position. In fact almost the entire roster is exclusive so you WILL field a full team. Compete? I don't know but the point of this league started to try and take you players and turn that into a fantasy roster that would give you a chance to play.

The supplemental has not really been about legit filling holes in a few years.

 

I do think there needs to be an adjustment in the supplemental that will keep teams from stacking and also promote more trading.

This was one of the reasons that I never wanted to generate the supplemental draft order until AFTER the draft... If you know you don't have a 2B, but you are picking second in the supplemental, the owner will by-pass that completely knowing they can save their ass in that part... But if that wasn't there, maybe they reach, maybe they trade, but with the safety net, they don't...

[ZeroTolerance 584]

I am okay with pushing the supplemental draft closer to opening day (not sure about after opening day) and waiting to announce that draft order.

[GuardBum 82]

This was one of the reasons that I never wanted to generate the supplemental draft order until AFTER the draft... If you know you don't have a 2B, but you are picking second in the supplemental, the owner will by-pass that completely knowing they can save their ass in that part... But if that wasn't there, maybe they reach, maybe they trade, but with the safety net, they don't...

Burt always brought this up as well. The strategy absolutely changes. So maybe for this year, especially since we have a returning full cast we can roll the weighted reverse on Mon, Mar 27. Our regular draft should be complete. Trades can be accomplished. And we'd have a few days to draft it. This will go against the conversation from last year http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=453127 but it will mix it up just a bit and maybe accomplish some of what the arguments present. This is obviously up for conversation as is all our stuff. That's always been one of the great things about this league is the compromising and development we've made to ensure majority buy in. Never gonna make everyone completely happy. :edjr:

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

I've only ever known a league that includes the supplemental so I apologize if I'm coming off as fighting tooth and nail for it to be kept in place. As an owner of a team thay generally builds through their farm system and trades away players when they are generally past their primes or about to be, the supplemental has always been something that I feel like I can utilize my fantasy sports skill and help a team like the rays (who don't have 10+ guys worthy of 1st or 2nd round draft consideration) competitive. When my top options get taken, and you'll see it this year) I will lose 4 of 5 relevant options while big time squads will lose 5 or 6 of 12+ options.

 

I don't mean to come off as bitching about the Rays. I certainly enjoy the challenge. I just feel like moving th supplemental back as close to opening day as possible will quell the concerns raised by bbascom.

 

I am also always for pushing off the draft order as long as possible but give enough time for trading of supplemental picks.

 

I think Burt has usually been in favor of knowing supp order asap? Could be wrong.

 

Finally, I don't know what trading has been like prior to me joinong. I assume it was more. But there seem to be a handful of trades each year. I've traded with bbascom, 29 guests and lambert in the past

[GuardBum 82]

Burt has wanted it early because it plays to the regular draft strategy. Others like that as well. Obviously there has always been a split on this. I haven't cared specifically to either because both work. I do feel that we used to make trades like Cesar Izturis for Rod Barajas just so teams could fill a spot. We don't see that much anymore. Most of the trades the last few years have involved sup picks it seems like.

 

And you aren't bitching. It'd be great if somehow we could get more eligibles for each team somehow or balanced at least because certainly large market teams have more revolving doors on higher end players I think.

 

NL/AL team for every person? PRO: Sup drafts would be smaller or unnecessary. Teams would fill rosters better. CON: Not a "homer" league. Sup drafts would be unnecessary...

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

Two more cons.

 

Making an exhausting (in a good way) league way too exhausting

 

Top market teams mostly owned already.

[lambert58 71]

I've only ever known a league that includes the supplemental so I apologize if I'm coming off as fighting tooth and nail for it to be kept in place. As an owner of a team thay generally builds through their farm system and trades away players when they are generally past their primes or about to be, the supplemental has always been something that I feel like I can utilize my fantasy sports skill and help a team like the rays (who don't have 10+ guys worthy of 1st or 2nd round draft consideration) competitive. When my top options get taken, and you'll see it this year) I will lose 4 of 5 relevant options while big time squads will lose 5 or 6 of 12+ options.

 

I don't mean to come off as bitching about the Rays. I certainly enjoy the challenge. I just feel like moving th supplemental back as close to opening day as possible will quell the concerns raised by bbascom.

 

I am also always for pushing off the draft order as long as possible but give enough time for trading of supplemental picks.

 

I think Burt has usually been in favor of knowing supp order asap? Could be wrong.

 

Finally, I don't know what trading has been like prior to me joinong. I assume it was more. But there seem to be a handful of trades each year. I've traded with bbascom, 29 guests and lambert in the past

 

 

still open to trading again this year pal...