U.S. 'turning the tide' on the opioid crisis

[jerryskids 5,191]

7 hours ago, lod001 said:

imo, we are just eliminating the weak minded and the losers of society with a legal form of suicide. I mean, who gets addicted to this stuff? Take the correct amount when needed and toss the rest when done. Toughen up puzzies. Take the pain.

I think that that is a simplistic view of addiction.  That being said, I had two surgeries on my foot 7-8 years ago.  Got Hydrocodone the first time and Oxycodone the second.  First time I took the full recommended dose the first day (4 pills total); had focked up dreams that night.  In the morning I took 1/2 a pill then moved to ibuprofen.  Dumped the rest.  Second time I filled the scrip in case but started out with ibuprofen.  I don't think I ever took one of those, dumped again.  

My foot hurt, which is understandable since they sliced it open and inserted or removed plates and screws.  But not so much that I needed to risk getting hooked on those pills. 

[Cloaca du jour 2,064]

Where I live..I dont see any "winning"

 

I see better response by ambulance...every civil servant carries narcan...

Same ODs...better responses

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

6 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I think that that is a simplistic view of addiction.  That being said, I had two surgeries on my foot 7-8 years ago.  Got Hydrocodone the first time and Oxycodone the second.  First time I took the full recommended dose the first day (4 pills total); had focked up dreams that night.  In the morning I took 1/2 a pill then moved to ibuprofen.  Dumped the rest.  Second time I filled the scrip in case but started out with ibuprofen.  I don't think I ever took one of those, dumped again.  

My foot hurt, which is understandable since they sliced it open and inserted or removed plates and screws.  But not so much that I needed to risk getting hooked on those pills. 

Yeah, they over prescribe big time in the states. Last time I had surgery here was a vasectomy. They gave me something like 30 percocet. I took about 5 of them over several days, would have been fine with 2 or 3. Saved  couple for the long flight back to China and gave the rest out to friends. 

[Cloaca du jour 2,064]

I got some percs after a kidney stone...took one...barfed all over lol.

Im not a narcotic guy...

[Gladiators 1,904]

14 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

The "fock those losers, let's thin the herd" stuff is my point. It's basically like saying, "fock making insulin, let's thin the herd."

Do you think addiction is a trait we want to pass down from generation to generation?  I don't.

It seems as though once people become addicted to drugs/alcohol, they struggle with it for the rest of their lives.  It also puts significant financial and emotional stress on family and friends.

Don't get me wrong, I don't actually want people to die.  However, if I read a headline that a million people died last night due to an OD, I wouldn't be terribly upset.

[Gladiators 1,904]

3 hours ago, Cloaca du jour said:

I got some percs after a kidney stone...took one...barfed all over lol.

Im not a narcotic guy...

I don't recall what I received after ACL surgery.  I believe it was hydrocodone.  I took the pills for the first 18 hours or so and then put them in my safe.  They made me feel like crap, I couldn't sleep, and I couldn't eat.  Fortunately, I wasn't in excruciating pain, so I got by with tylenol.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

25 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

Do you think addiction is a trait we want to pass down from generation to generation?  I don't.

It seems as though once people become addicted to drugs/alcohol, they struggle with it for the rest of their lives.  It also puts significant financial and emotional stress on family and friends.

Don't get me wrong, I don't actually want people to die.  However, if I read a headline that a million people died last night due to an OD, I wouldn't be terribly upset.

So you're advocating eugenics now? 

And let's not ignore the fact that big pharma stone cold lied about how addictive their products are. They're worse than big tobacco. Many of them should do hard time. 

[Gladiators 1,904]

Just now, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

So you're advocating eugenics now? 

And let's not ignore the fact that big pharma stone cold lied about how addictive their products are. They're worse than big tobacco. Many of them should do hard time. 

If eugenics is survival of the fittest, then yes.

I think doctors need to do a better job explaining the drugs they are prescribing.  I was given a prescription for hydrocodone (I believe), but was never told about side affects or its addictive nature.  I'm sure it was on a piece of paper I was given.  Regardless, I can't put it all on big pharma and the doctors.  There has to be some personal responsibility too.  We shouldn't be blindly putting things into our body.

[jerryskids 5,191]

6 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Yeah, they over prescribe big time in the states. Last time I had surgery here was a vasectomy. They gave me something like 30 percocet. I took about 5 of them over several days, would have been fine with 2 or 3. Saved  couple for the long flight back to China and gave the rest out to friends. 

I feel fortunate that I don't know any friends who would want them, but the probability is that I do know quite a few people who would, I just don't know it. 

I'd have kept them for a rainy day, but with teens in the house, no thanks.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

3 hours ago, Gladiators said:

If eugenics is survival of the fittest, then yes.

I think doctors need to do a better job explaining the drugs they are prescribing.  I was given a prescription for hydrocodone (I believe), but was never told about side affects or its addictive nature.  I'm sure it was on a piece of paper I was given.  Regardless, I can't put it all on big pharma and the doctors.  There has to be some personal responsibility too.  We shouldn't be blindly putting things into our body.

Thats BS. Let's see. A massive pharmaceutical company produced the product. Presumably after years of R&D from chemists and such, clinical trials, etc. They then get it through the FDA, who is supposed to regulate such things.

Then they knowingly lie about its danger and bribe physicians to prescribe it to their patients. 

All of that and I, the untrained consumer, am supposed to what? Google it? Do my own trials?

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I feel fortunate that I don't know any friends who would want them, but the probability is that I do know quite a few people who would, I just don't know it. 

I'd have kept them for a rainy day, but with teens in the house, no thanks.

I live in a building with 30 some odd "teachers", most of em in their 20s. Getting rid of drugs is never tough around here.

Someone is always going to Cambodia or Vietnam or somewhere for the weekend and bringing back Valium and such and passing it around. 

[Gladiators 1,904]

2 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Thats BS. Let's see. A massive pharmaceutical company produced the product. Presumably after years of R&D from chemists and such, clinical trials, etc. They then get it through the FDA, who is supposed to regulate such things.

Then they knowingly lie about its danger and bribe physicians to prescribe it to their patients. 

All of that and I, the untrained consumer, am supposed to what? Google it? Do my own trials?

 

We could get into why things are the way they are (big pharma, insurance companies, doctors), but I'm not interested in doing that.

My only point is that there has to be some personal responsibility taken to understand what the options are, what's being prescribed, what the side affects are.  I'm not saying it falls 100% on the patient.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

4 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

We could get into why things are the way they are (big pharma, insurance companies, doctors), but I'm not interested in doing that.

My only point is that there has to be some personal responsibility taken to understand what the options are, what's being prescribed, what the side affects are.  I'm not saying it falls 100% on the patient.

The overwhelming majority of patients are utterly incapable of understanding the effects of medication. That's why we have all the other stuff. 

[RLLD 3,455]

3 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

We could get into why things are the way they are (big pharma, insurance companies, doctors), but I'm not interested in doing that.

My only point is that there has to be some personal responsibility taken to understand what the options are, what's being prescribed, what the side affects are.  I'm not saying it falls 100% on the patient.

True.

While I accept that doctors pushed the opiates, which then led to addiction, I do believe that there is an element of personal accountability that needs to be promoted here.  

When you speak to addicts, and addiction specialists, they will tell you that once the drug "gets you" it changes your brain in a manner that you cannot be without it.....think of trying to live without breathing or eating, THAT is how the brain treats the chemical.

So, the best option is to not take the drug, at all.  But if your doctor prescribed it, and told you to do so, then I get why fault is not really yours......so long as the drugs were taken as directed.

I have no idea what % of addicts became that due to medical negligence, but those folks do have my sympathy....the rest, feel free to die....