NFL DRAFT 2023 ( official / unofficial thread )

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19 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

Dallas hasn't any issues getting to the QB, they ranked 4th in the league last year. This team's nemesis (and has been forever it seems) is stopping the run. Dallas held its own when Vander Esch was in there - but soon as he went down, even grandmas were running over us. 

The pick up and emergence of Hankins exposed a major weakness in this front 7 - no beef up front. Which really wasn't a secret, I've been screaming for a tree stump up front for years. Hankins was incredible for us in 2022, he finally proved to this team how badly a big body was needed up front. I'll take the pick and see what happens. 

And as you say here....they literally picked a nose tackle run stuffer off the street and he did well....

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3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I just think run stuffers are a little obsolete these days.  I understand the Cowboys play Philly twice.  I'm not saying Mazi will definitely only be a 2 down player.  But if he is, I just have a hard time taking them on the 1st round.  

It is nice to have a space eater and fouble team taker when playing certain teams.  I just don't want to use a 1stt one one.  

I always admired, maybe envied is a better word, PHI's and GB's dedication to space eating DTs. I just value the position more than others. 

(imo) If I have a space eating mountain, I can free up my Micah Parson and Vander Esch type players to do what they do.... This defense took a major turn up when Hankins joined it - I hope to trend up on that way of thinking. 

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Sort of like Linvel Joeseph vs Davis for philly.  Joeseph is 34 years old a guy just picked up.  Davis 13th overall.  Now I understand Davis was a rookie.  But Joeseph in less games had more tackles.  Started over the mountain of a man ftom Georgia.  Probably a better player.  You can find run stuffers without using a 1st round pick.  

It is wild that thr Cowboys reveal their board.  Didnt Jerry do that ladt year too?

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

It is wild that thr Cowboys reveal their board.  Didnt Jerry do that ladt year too?

I don't believe that for 1 second. It's all GM/Owner speak, "He's the guy we targeted all along".

So why didn't you trade back, get a pick or two and grab him 10 spots later??? Jerrah??? 

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Also if Hankins was really good and resigned why do they need Mazi in the 1st?  Shoring up your long term run stuffer? I don't know maybe Dallas doesn't view Mazi as a straight nose that comes off the field.  Maybe they are banking on serious 1st round DT ability after some coaching.  

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10 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

It is wild that thr Cowboys reveal their board.  Didnt Jerry do that ladt year too?

One of the few things Jerry loves more than money is publicity.. DAL has a select group of beat writers that have had Jerry's ear and trust for years. Every year they reveal what DAL had on their board - not uncommon at all. All this comes after the draft of course. 

Then there's Jerry himself - who (referring to the Tyler Smith story) revealed DAL's own board last year when the T. Smith pick was made and all claimed he reached and made a panic pick. He showed all that DAL indeed had Smith ranked that high and had him as one of their targets all along.... So yea, we do get the inside scoop so-to-speak I guess. 

 

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4 minutes ago, League Champion said:

I don't believe that for 1 second. It's all GM/Owner speak, "He's the guy we targeted all along".

So why didn't you trade back, get a pick or two and grab him 10 spots later??? Jerrah??? 

The fact you don't believe it makes it legit then. 

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4 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Also if Hankins was really good and resigned why do they need Mazi in the 1st?  Shoring up your long term run stuffer? I don't know maybe Dallas doesn't view Mazi as a straight nose that comes off the field.  Maybe they are banking on serious 1st round DT ability after some coaching.  

Why not? Hankins is 31 and as good as he was - there's a reason he was available (for a 7th rd pick). Given the fact this team has de-valued DT for years and years, I'll take all I can get for now, especially when they're young and hungry. 

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3 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

The fact you don't believe it makes it legit then. 

Ok, let's say that's true. They still could of traded back, got a pick or 2 and still gotten him. There were PLENTY of higher rated prospects available, especially since he's a 2 down player. 

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Just now, Cruzer said:

Why not? Hankins is 31 and as good as he was - there's a reason he was available (for a 7th rd pick). Given the fact this team has de-valued DT for years and years, I'll take all I can get for now, especially when their young and hungry. 

31 isn't terribly old for big DTs that plug.  Linvel Joeseph went to the Eagles and basically started on a packed DL at age 34.  

I guess we will see.  Seems like Mazi will be an alternate for now.  

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

31 isn't terribly old for big DTs that plug.  Linel Joeseph went to the Eagles and basically started on a packed DL at age 34.  

I guess we will see.  Seems like Mazi will be an alternate for now.  

Any man at 340 lbs isn't going to play 24/7. Hankins has shown signs of wearing down, getting hurt more. I love him but it's foolish to just count on him. 

Dan Quinn knows a thing or two about defense I think - he'll have Mazi in there as more than an alternate I'm sure. 

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4 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Ok, let's say that's true. They still could of traded back, got a pick or 2 and still gotten him. There were PLENTY of higher rated prospects available, especially since he's a 2 down player. 

Stay on topic.......you're getting off track and trying to sneak in draft strategy. 

I'm actually with you on this - I was hoping to move down when it got to our pick. I thought with 2 or 3 DTs and Mayer still there - we could have moved down and picked up and extra 3rd or something. 

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Just now, League Champion said:

Ok, let's say that's true. They still could of traded back, got a pick or 2 and still gotten him. There were PLENTY of higher rated prospects available, especially since he's a 2 down player. 

This is a problem with how I believe you view thr draft.

It isn't a video game nor a mock simulator.   Sometimes especially in a draft with a light 1st round, you can't find a team that wants to move up.  I suppose they could have talked with Buffalo.  But you can't just trade back when you want.  Takesanother team wanting to move up.

Also I think looking at a consensus is useful.   But rankings don't mean a ton individually.   Just because player A is ranked a head of player B by a majority of "experts" doesn't mean anything.  Anthony Johnson Jr the safety from Iowa State was inside PFFs top 100.  Packers got him in the 7th.  I like hearing that.  But maube PFF is way off?

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1 minute ago, Cruzer said:

Stay on topic.......you're getting off track and trying to sneak in draft strategy. 

The point was that he whiffed on Kincaid, overdrafted Mazi then had to reach for Schoomaker. 

I'm sorry but there's no chance Dallas actually had Mazzi as their 14th highest rated player. 

Ok, I'm done. Thank you for listening. 

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Just now, Cruzer said:

Any man at 340 lbs isn't going to play 24/7. Hankins has shown signs of wearing down, getting hurt more. I love him but it's foolish to just count on him. 

Dan Quinn knows a thing or two about defense I think - he'll have Mazi in there as more than an alternate I'm sure. 

No they don't play every snap.  But if you already have a nose who is better at the moment.  When will you find snaps for your other run defender? Unless injury occurs.  

Like I said.  Maybe they view him as more than a run stuffing nose.  And they will use him in various ways not just at pure nose.  

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Just now, League Champion said:

The point was that he whiffed on Kincaid, overdrafted Mazi then had to reach for Schoomaker. 

I'm sorry but there's no chance Dallas actually had Mazzi as their 14th highest rated player. 

Ok, I'm done. Thank you for listening. 

Like I said, you stick to things your Twitter feed tells you. 

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

No they don't play every snap.  But if you already have a nose who is better at the moment.  When will you find snaps for your other run defender? Unless injury occurs.  

Like I said.  Maybe they view him as more than a run stuffing nose.  And they will use him in various ways not just at pure nose.  

DAL isn't moving to a 3/4....... Smith will play plenty, often along Hankins. There will be plenty of snaps to go around up front - especially on this D who struggled to stop the run. 

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Just now, Cruzer said:

Like I said, you stick to things your Twitter feed tells you. 

No Sir, as a football fan, these are my observations after months of draft study and rankings projections. Mazzi is a late second to early third round talent. Not just me but everyone else had him there as well, are they idiots to or is Jerrah a genius? 

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This was an awful interior DL draft.  Other than Carte you are over drafting most of these guys because it was so thin.  

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

This was an awful interior DL draft.  Other than Carte you are over drafting most of these guys because it was so thin.  

He's not even saying that. He says that Dallas had Mazzi as the 14th overall highest rated talent. And there's no way that's even a little true. 

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Just now, League Champion said:

No Sir, as a football fan, these are my observations after months of draft study and rankings projections. Mazzi is a late second to early third round talent. Not just me but everyone else had him there as well, are they idiots to or is Jerrah a genius? 

Again, you're off topic............. DAL had Smith ranked higher than you, it's as simple as that. Whether that turns out to be smart - time will tell. 

The fact you don't believe it doesn't really matter. 

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2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

This was an awful interior DL draft.  Other than Carte you are over drafting most of these guys because it was so thin.  

When B. Young is the most coveted player in a draft, it's off to a weak start to begin with. 

Maybe Worker Bee is a better description of this draft - no shine, just nuts and bolts, 

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1 minute ago, Cruzer said:

DAL isn't moving to a 3/4....... Smith will play plenty, often along Hankins. There will be plenty of snaps to go around up front - especially on this D who struggled to stop the run. 

Fair enough.   We will see how they use 2 0 tech guys in a 4-3 at same time.  Could be a good strategy vs Philly.  

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How many people are in the Cowboys draft room?  Why all the women and children? 

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Not searching for a proper thread. 

But Love just got extended through 2024

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13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How many people are in the Cowboys draft room?  Why all the women and children? 

No shiit. Looks like a damn nursery at times. Not only are his grandsons in there, some are sitting closer to Jerry than Will McClay.

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Just now, Cruzer said:

No shiit. Looks like a damn nursery at times. Not only are his grandsons in there, some are sitting closer to Jerry than Will McClay.

The Giants have been just as focked up with the nepotism. But they do try and hide it. 

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3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Not searching for a proper thread. 

But Love just got extended through 2024

Love should have bet on himself instead. If Danny Dimes can get $40m per why can’t he?

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Just now, MDC said:

Love should have bet on himself instead. If Danny Dimes can get $40m per why can’t he?

Well it isn't much.  5th year option is due today.  Instead they resigned him through 24.  Havent seen what it looks like but I would assume it gives him more guarenteed money while helping the Packers.  Basically saying here is some money we will give you 2 years.  Probably a win for both.  He can bet on himself in 24 by not extending of they offer.  

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12 minutes ago, MDC said:

Love should have bet on himself instead. If Danny Dimes can get $40m per why can’t he?

If Carson Wentz could get an above market extension from the Eagles after they gave up a boatload of picks to get him, why not? 

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The extention basically took his cap hit next year on a 5th year option down considerably.  Love gets a chunk of money this year instead of waiting and his contract allows him to earn more money than he would have over next 2 seasons.  Easy win win for both sides.  

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1 hour ago, MDC said:

Love should have bet on himself instead. If Danny Dimes can get $40m per why can’t he?

Agree, even if he's just ok he's looking at a monster deal. And technically this is his rookie season. He's dumb 

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Just now, League Champion said:

Agree, even if he's just ok he's looking at a monster deal. And technically this is his rookie season. He's dumb 

Explain to me what you are babbling about here

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1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

Well it isn't much.  5th year option is due today.  Instead they resigned him through 24.  Havent seen what it looks like but I would assume it gives him more guarenteed money while helping the Packers.  Basically saying here is some money we will give you 2 years.  Probably a win for both.  He can bet on himself in 24 by not extending of they offer.  

That’s true. GB probably wants to protect themselves too, make sure Love is any good before they get backed into a corner and have to extend him out of desperation and lack of better options.  

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15 minutes ago, MDC said:

That’s true. GB probably wants to protect themselves too, make sure Love is any good before they get backed into a corner and have to extend him out of desperation and lack of better options.  

I see what you did there.

I just don't understand this bet on himself stuff.  They were going to 5th year him.  He would still be under their control for 2 years.  Where is Love not betting on himself?   He got money up front instead of having to wait unil the 5th year.  With a possibility to earn more overall (not sure the escalators) while helping the Packers cap.  

If you think they said we aren't 5th yearing you but you can take this....then I don't know.  Doubt it.  Why would they take Love, push Rodgers out the door for 1 single year of information on him.  What if he sprains his shoulder half way? So they did all that for a half a year of evaluation in a starting role?  My belief is they want a 2 year on him to really give him a legit chance at progressing.  Helped cap.  Protected GB a little.  Love gets money up front with a chance to earn more over 2 years than a 5th year would have brought him.  

Now if they came to him and said no 5th year but do you want this....then yes he would not be betting on himself.  GB wouldn't be betting on him.  And this whole thing was a waste of time and effort.  But I don't think that is the case.

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36 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I see what you did there.

I just don't understand this bet on himself stuff.  They were going to 5th year him.  He would still be under their control for 2 years.  Where is Love not betting on himself?   He got money up front instead of having to wait unil the 5th year.  With a possibility to earn more overall (not sure the escalators) while helping the Packers cap.  

If you think they said we aren't 5th yearing you but you can take this....then I don't know.  Doubt it.  Why would they take Love, push Rodgers out the door for 1 single year of information on him.  What if he sprains his shoulder half way? So they did all that for a half a year of evaluation in a starting role?  My belief is they want a 2 year on him to really give him a legit chance at progressing.  Helped cap.  Protected GB a little.  Love gets money up front with a chance to earn more over 2 years than a 5th year would have brought him.  

Now if they came to him and said no 5th year but do you want this....then yes he would not be betting on himself.  GB wouldn't be betting on him.  And this whole thing was a waste of time and effort.  But I don't think that is the case.

Good point. The worst situation would be to decline his 5th year option, then hand him $40m per still not knowing if he’s any good because maybe he’d not suck under the right conditions. That would be the really dumb thing to do. Like drafting a RB 2 overall dumb! 

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2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Explain to me what you are babbling about here

What you can't F'ing read? 

1 hour ago, MDC said:

Like drafting a RB 2 overall dumb! 

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2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

 

 

Ohh, ok. Now you have Mazzi in the Hall of Fame?? He'll be lucky if he's still in the NFL in 4 years. 

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40 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Ohh, ok. Now you have Mazzi in the Hall of Fame?? He'll be lucky if he's still in the NFL in 4 years. 

What on earth would make you say this? You have some bizarre responses.  Ill chalk this thread up to a troll fest.  

The point is mocks and grading drafts is a grift.  Everyone does it.  No matter how qualified or not qualifed they are.  Grades are an easy way to see "who won". But no one ever revisits these grades and sees if they actually have any merit.