Fascist attacks on Individuals and Speech

[seafoam1 3,401]

2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

A pattern & practice at DOJ at tge direction of DOJ leaders to ignore court orders & worst of all to lie.

Liberals don't lie and aren't violent. Wow.

Now this is news. 

[SaintsInDome2006 608]

The Dutch Intelligence Services have cut back information sharing with the US.

[SaintsInDome2006 608]

No arrests in DC or NYC.

{golf clap}

[TimHauck 3,284]

On 10/9/2025 at 9:42 AM, SaintsInDome2006 said:

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Building on the antifa executive order, which already targets a broad range of political speech, NSPM-7 directs federal agencies to prioritize investigations of a swath of identities and ideologies that it depicts as falling under “the umbrella of self-described ‘anti-fascism.’” These include “anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and anti-Christianity; support for the overthrow of the United States Government; extremism on migration, race, and gender; and hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family, religion, and morality.”

This breathtakingly broad list easily encompasses everyone from labor organizers, socialists, many libertarians, those who criticize Christianity, pro-immigration groups, anti-ICE protestors, and racial justice and transgender activists, to anyone who holds views that the administration considers to be “anti-American.” Under NSPM-7, the antifascist label can be attached to any of these types of people and groups and many more besides, giving the government maximum flexibility to pick and choose its targets.<<

Brennan Center

Seeing some journalists saying this NSPM-7 thing is a huge deal  

[Fnord 2,493]

On 10/17/2025 at 8:07 PM, SaintsInDome2006 said:

A pattern & practice at DOJ at tge direction of DOJ leaders to ignore court orders & worst of all to lie.

Your link is disabled, but were you linking to something re: this: DOJ whistleblower says he witnessed government officials undermining the rule of law

 

 

 

[TimHauck 3,284]

Not sure how this is getting basically zero press:

 

 

[seafoam1 3,401]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Not sure how this is getting basically zero press:

 

 

OMG!! Not aaron turr quoting aaron turr quoting larry bushart!!!! 

[TimHauck 3,284]

19 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

OMG!! Not aaron turr quoting aaron turr quoting larry bushart!!!! 

Larry Bushart is the guy who’s in jail on a $2 million bond because he posted a meme.

Story: https://theintercept.com/2025/10/23/charlie-kirk-meme-arrest-tennessee-larry-bushart/

I know many will say “there’s gotta be more to the story,” but It really looks like there isn’t.  He’s in jail for posting a meme.

[Ron_Artest 2,143]

We don't really have a press anymore.  Most of them have bent the knee to trump.  There is so much lawlessness and corruption, it's become normal.

[SaintsInDome2006 608]

9 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Not sure how this is getting basically zero press:

 

 

These people. Apparently he lived in Perry County, TN, the shooting Trump was referring to was the 2024 Perry High School shooting in Perry, Iowa. The guy peppered a Perry TN Kirk vigil page with posts highlighting their hypocrisy (given the circumstances I’d call it trolling). It sounds like sheriff used the ‘Perry shooting’ reference as an excuse to hold him.

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As the story spread, confusion persisted over the basic facts. Because the Facebook thread was only visible to members of the Perry County group, it was unclear to most people when, exactly, Bushart posted the memes or how people reacted — let alone whether the response could be described as “mass hysteria.” But Weems insisted that Bushart wanted to sow panic, telling The Tennesseanthat “investigators believe Bushart was fully aware of the fear his post would cause and intentionally sought to create hysteria within the community.” 

Yet there were no public signs of this hysteria. Nor was there much evidence of an investigation — or any efforts to warn county schools. Although the Perry County Schools District did not respond to messages from The Intercept, attorneys with the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression filed a series of open records requests with the school district asking for any communications to or from staff pertaining to the case — including terms like “shooting,” “threat,” and “meme.” In response, the director of schools wrote that there were no records related to Bushart’s case. “The Perry County Sheriff’s Department handled this situation,” he wrote.

“You would think that if a school district or a school was the target of a serious threat, they would have an email or a text message or something to students, to parents, to the safety officer, to the community, saying, ‘Here’s what has happened. Don’t worry. Everything is all right,’” said Adam Steinbaugh, an attorney with FIRE who has been monitoring the case. “They have nothing.”

Meanwhile, the Perry County Sheriff’s Office has not responded to records requests by FIRE. In a phone call with The Intercept, a sheriff’s deputy told The Intercept that any records related to the case would have to be subpoenaed. “I’m not releasing anything due to the scrutiny and the harassing phone calls we’ve had,” he said, then hung up. But Weems himself responded to an email earlier this week. He said that the Perry County Sheriff’s Office Facebook page “has been in the process” of being deleted since July but declined to comment further. “There is a lot of false quotes being made in regard to this case,” he wrote. “Therefore, I’m not gonna continue to discuss the case until it’s settled in court.”

Bushart’s lawyer has not responded to messages about the case. Bushart’s wife declined to speak on the record on the advice of the attorney. But Bushart’s son defended his dad on social media, calling the prosecution “an egregious violation of his 1st Amendment rights” and spelling out what has been clear from the start: The meme he shared was meant to show “the hypocrisy in honoring Charlie Kirk while ignoring other tragic incidents of mass violence.”

For now, Bushart faces the prospect of spending Thanksgiving in jail. On Tuesday, a member of the Justice for Larry Bushart page created a [account] to raise money for his legal defense. “This isn’t just for Larry; this is a stand against overzealous law enforcement acting on skewed interpretations of free speech,” it reads. “Remember: today it’s someone else; tomorrow it could be you or me.”

To Steinbaugh, who has litigated First Amendment violations all over the country, Bushart’s case stands out. “One thing that’s unique about it is that nobody has done a course correction here,” he said. “It would be one thing to have law enforcement overreacting and detaining someone … and then the next day, saying, ‘OK, message received, we’ve done our due diligence. That’s all we need to do here.’ This guy’s been incarcerated since this happened over quoting the president. Cooler heads should have prevailed by now.”<<

The Intercept.

[TimHauck 3,284]

21 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

These people. Apparently he lived in Perry County, TN, the shooting Trump was referring to was the 2024 Perry High School shooting in Perry, Iowa. The guy peppered a Perry TN Kirk vigil page with posts highlighting their hypocrisy (given the circumstances I’d call it trolling). It sounds like sheriff used the ‘Perry shooting’ reference as an excuse to hold him.

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As the story spread, confusion persisted over the basic facts. Because the Facebook thread was only visible to members of the Perry County group, it was unclear to most people when, exactly, Bushart posted the memes or how people reacted — let alone whether the response could be described as “mass hysteria.” But Weems insisted that Bushart wanted to sow panic, telling The Tennesseanthat “investigators believe Bushart was fully aware of the fear his post would cause and intentionally sought to create hysteria within the community.” 

Yet there were no public signs of this hysteria. Nor was there much evidence of an investigation — or any efforts to warn county schools. Although the Perry County Schools District did not respond to messages from The Intercept, attorneys with the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression filed a series of open records requests with the school district asking for any communications to or from staff pertaining to the case — including terms like “shooting,” “threat,” and “meme.” In response, the director of schools wrote that there were no records related to Bushart’s case. “The Perry County Sheriff’s Department handled this situation,” he wrote.

“You would think that if a school district or a school was the target of a serious threat, they would have an email or a text message or something to students, to parents, to the safety officer, to the community, saying, ‘Here’s what has happened. Don’t worry. Everything is all right,’” said Adam Steinbaugh, an attorney with FIRE who has been monitoring the case. “They have nothing.”

Meanwhile, the Perry County Sheriff’s Office has not responded to records requests by FIRE. In a phone call with The Intercept, a sheriff’s deputy told The Intercept that any records related to the case would have to be subpoenaed. “I’m not releasing anything due to the scrutiny and the harassing phone calls we’ve had,” he said, then hung up. But Weems himself responded to an email earlier this week. He said that the Perry County Sheriff’s Office Facebook page “has been in the process” of being deleted since July but declined to comment further. “There is a lot of false quotes being made in regard to this case,” he wrote. “Therefore, I’m not gonna continue to discuss the case until it’s settled in court.”

Bushart’s lawyer has not responded to messages about the case. Bushart’s wife declined to speak on the record on the advice of the attorney. But Bushart’s son defended his dad on social media, calling the prosecution “an egregious violation of his 1st Amendment rights” and spelling out what has been clear from the start: The meme he shared was meant to show “the hypocrisy in honoring Charlie Kirk while ignoring other tragic incidents of mass violence.”

For now, Bushart faces the prospect of spending Thanksgiving in jail. On Tuesday, a member of the Justice for Larry Bushart page created a [account] to raise money for his legal defense. “This isn’t just for Larry; this is a stand against overzealous law enforcement acting on skewed interpretations of free speech,” it reads. “Remember: today it’s someone else; tomorrow it could be you or me.”

To Steinbaugh, who has litigated First Amendment violations all over the country, Bushart’s case stands out. “One thing that’s unique about it is that nobody has done a course correction here,” he said. “It would be one thing to have law enforcement overreacting and detaining someone … and then the next day, saying, ‘OK, message received, we’ve done our due diligence. That’s all we need to do here.’ This guy’s been incarcerated since this happened over quoting the president. Cooler heads should have prevailed by now.”<<

The Intercept.

I hope that county is well-funded, because this dude is going to get a yuge payout.

[TimHauck 3,284]

In b4 “hE wAs OnLy DeTaInEd, NoT aRrEsTeD”

 

 

[seafoam1 3,401]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

In b4 “hE wAs OnLy DeTaInEd, NoT aRrEsTeD”

 

 

He should have been arrested.

[seafoam1 3,401]

11 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Larry Bushart is the guy who’s in jail on a $2 million bond because he posted a meme.

Story: https://theintercept.com/2025/10/23/charlie-kirk-meme-arrest-tennessee-larry-bushart/

I know many will say “there’s gotta be more to the story,” but It really looks like there isn’t.  He’s in jail for posting a meme.

People should be able to harass and troll you and your family without consequences. Throw in some doxxing. Why not? 

They should be able to follow your wife around town playing some Darth Vader music. Why not? Free speech, right?

[SaintsInDome2006 608]

The 1st Amendment’s 6 Freedoms:

- No establishment of religion,

- free exercise of religion;
- freedom of speech,

- freedom of the press;

- the right of the people peaceably to assemble,

- the freedom of the people to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

[seafoam1 3,401]

7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The 1st Amendment’s 6 Freedoms:

- No establishment of religion,

- free exercise of religion;
- freedom of speech,

- freedom of the press;

- the right of the people peaceably to assemble,

- the freedom of the people to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Why do liberals whine about about religion, "hate" speech against them, and cry about conservative reporting, all the while they cause violence during so called "peaceful protests" all throughout 2020 and are trying to constantly go after ICE causing unrest in current times?

Oh, and they close down the government of this country because they aren't getting their way? The little pouting bltches. You all lost the election for a reason. And the reason is you. 

[jonmx 2,458]

1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The 1st Amendment’s 6 Freedoms:

- No establishment of religion,

- free exercise of religion;
- freedom of speech,

- freedom of the press;

- the right of the people peaceably to assemble,

- the freedom of the people to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The elites have been trying to eliminate every one of these for decades and the CIA and other federal agencies have been their preferred tool.   The Biden years were by far the biggest assault on first amendment freedoms in history led by the DOJ and FBI.  Those institutions became a complete disgrace to what America stands for.  Thank God Kamala lost.   Easily the stupidest person ever to run and would have been a total puppet for the expansion of the authoritarian state.   But hou have your head too far up your butt to see any of that. 

[SaintsInDome2006 608]

1 hour ago, jonmx said:

The elites have been trying to eliminate every one of these for decades and the CIA and other federal agencies have been their preferred tool.   The Biden years were by far the biggest assault on first amendment freedoms in history led by the DOJ and FBI.  Those institutions became a complete disgrace to what America stands for.  Thank God Kamala lost.   Easily the stupidest person ever to run and would have been a total puppet for the expansion of the authoritarian state.   But hou have your head too far up your butt to see any of that. 

Elites. Guess how many billionaires are in Trump’s cabinet & WH executive staff.

[SaintsInDome2006 608]

3 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Why do liberals whine about about religion, "hate" speech against them, and cry about conservative reporting, all the while they cause violence during so called "peaceful protests" all throughout 2020 and are trying to constantly go after ICE causing unrest in current times?

Oh, and they close down the government of this country because they aren't getting their way? The little pouting bltches. You all lost the election for a reason. And the reason is you. 

IMO conservatism is constitutionalism, and so the constitution says individuals are protected by the Constitution, not the state. 
 

I don’t know what to say about politics, but I do believe in fundamentals & retail skills. I think two bad candidates make for bad politics & bad results. I don’t think the American people value (as a plurality anyway) character in office or the Constitution anymore. Whet can I say the sleazy country club manager & condo salesman offered them a deal & they took it.

[seafoam1 3,401]

21 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

IMO conservatism is constitutionalism, and so the constitution says individuals are protected by the Constitution, not the state. 
 

I don’t know what to say about politics, but I do believe in fundamentals & retail skills. I think two bad candidates make for bad politics & bad results. I don’t think the American people value (as a plurality anyway) character in office or the Constitution anymore. Whet can I say the sleazy country club manager & condo salesman offered them a deal & they took it.

So you don't think there should be state law and order, nor federal law and order? 

Everyone in the world should be able to just saunter into this country and get jobs, Medicare, social security, healthcare, etc?

People should be able to follow other people around in the streets harassing them because it's "freedom of speech"? 

The press should have the freedom to stand outside people's homes and take pictures of them as they follow them around and plaster them all over websites and post their "opinions" about them? 

And when people protest and cause damage to property and other people it's all good because those that agree with the violence caused say it's "mostly peaceful"?

Not sure what your point is, but I don't see what is so wrong with living by the rules. It's worked out well for me. 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,330]

Liberals don't even know what a fascist is. They are not allowed to use the term any more.

[SaintsInDome2006 608]

14 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

The press should have the freedom to stand outside people's homes and take pictures of them as they follow them around and plaster them all over websites and post their "opinions" about them? 

So, just about this. Here in NO we just had a controversy where the (since indicted, rightfully) Democratic mayor (Cantrell) brazenly sat outside at a noted FQ balcony restaurant. A woman who had her apartment across the street also on a balcony took pictures, and then provided them to the Picayune who ran them in the paper & online. The person whom she was eating with was a cop who was her assigned bodyguard who it was rumored (ultimately correctly) to be her lover & with whom she took expensive trips, did luxury things, & used a primo Cabildo condominium owned by the city (but intended for VIPs) to shack up in, all on the public dime. The mayor sued the woman who took the pics & the paper too IIRC. What are your thoughts on that, appropriate or not? TIA.

[SaintsInDome2006 608]

14 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

So you don't think there should be state law and order, nor federal law and order? 

Everyone in the world should be able to just saunter into this country and get jobs, Medicare, social security, healthcare, etc?

People should be able to follow other people around in the streets harassing them because it's "freedom of speech"? 

The press should have the freedom to stand outside people's homes and take pictures of them as they follow them around and plaster them all over websites and post their "opinions" about them? 

And when people protest and cause damage to property and other people it's all good because those that agree with the violence caused say it's "mostly peaceful"?

Not sure what your point is, but I don't see what is so wrong with living by the rules. It's worked out well for me. 

I mean “state” like all government authority. Our state constitutions are the same though. Our system restricts the government, it has *no role in the constitutional order, it’s limited & constrained regularly. If you want a constitution where the government has “rights” look at the USSR & several constitutions outside the US. But FYI almost always they put duties on individuals *to the state as well. It’s a 2 way street, but in reality once people get hold of power it only goes in one direction.

As for your examples - there are laws that protect law enforcement & government property assault, harassment, & destruction of public property. By all means prosecute those, do it vigorously & with full effect. But federal troops have no role in any of that IMO. And we’ve seen countless examples of people engaging in 1st amendment activities being pepper sprayed, tear gassed, assaulted, seized, arrested without cause.

[SaintsInDome2006 608]

15 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Everyone in the world should be able to just saunter into this country and get jobs, Medicare, social security, healthcare, etc?

Let’s just say I take an America First position and I agree with you, flatly, 100%. Great. Ok let’s look at just Americans (assuming of course they can prove their forbears got here legally & have all their paperwork).

We Americans want totally closed borders, almost no unemployment, Medicare, social security, affordable healthcare & etc (safe streets, access to all guns, low insurance, negligible inflation, cheap goods, all our goods & manufacturing, cheap cars, be a net exporter, cheap energy, & most importantly very low taxes on individuals & corporations). We also want: to remain the sole superpower in the world, to tell other countries to do what we say, & to push back China. We want all of that.

I raised Reagan elsewhere. People completely forgot how we got here with free trade, global dominance, a defeated communism. Trump is completely unraveling all those policies. But besides all that, Americans want EVERYTHING, all of it, at once. There’s no reality or accountability to any of it. 
 

How that ties into authoritarianism & free speech is the more the People (who are referenced in the Constitution) demand such accountability & redress for deteriorating conditions (which is inevitable) the more the state will seek to push down on that to retain power.

[jonmx 2,458]

19 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Elites. Guess how many billionaires are in Trump’s cabinet & WH executive staff.

Elitism is not about wealth.  It is a form of authoritarian government.  Trump is dismantling many of the institutions they use.  You should inderstand this by now, but as I pointed out your head is up your arse. 

[SaintsInDome2006 608]

2 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Elitism is not about wealth.  It is a form of authoritarian government.  Trump is dismantling many of the institutions they use.  

But in this situation you have billionaires directly with their hands on the levers of power. For people who decline authority they sure have a firm grip on it.

[SaintsInDome2006 608]

Looking to speed up building network of migrant detention centers, Trump administration turns to the US Navy

>>One of the sources said the goal is for the facilities to house as many as 10,000 people each, and are expected to be built in Louisiana, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Utah and Kansas. Additional details about the facilities remain unclear, as the contracting process is still ongoing.<<

[Fnord 2,493]

40 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Elitism is not about wealth.  It is a form of authoritarian government.  Trump is dismantling many of the institutions they use. 

Such as?

[jonmx 2,458]

34 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

But in this situation you have billionaires directly with their hands on the levers of power. For people who decline authority they sure have a firm grip on it.

They did not decline authority, they won an election to use authority to take on the structures of authoritarianism which have been built up for decades to circumvent our constitutional controls. Trump infamous statement about being a dictator was about taking control of out of control of those institutions.  But of course the media intentionally mischaracterized it and you intentionally went along with the lies. It is so dishonest just like your post above where you pretend to seriously believe these protesters are being peppered sprayed for no reason.  

[SaintsInDome2006 608]

Just now, jonmx said:

They did not decline authority, they won an election to use authority to take on the structures of authoritarianism which have been built up for decades to circumvent our constitutional controls. Trump infamous statement about being a dictator was about taking control of out of control of those institutions.  But of course the media intentionally mischaracterized it and you intentionally went along with the lies. It is so dishonest just like your post above where you pretend to seriously believe these protesters are being peppered sprayed for no reason.  

On your first point, I’m just trying to follow you. I thought you were saying they were taking authority to devolve authority, thats what I meant by decline.

[jonmx 2,458]

5 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Such as?

He is firing cells within those organizations (such as the FBI, CIA, DOJ) which were abusing their power to target conservatives media, politicians and citizens including the massive censorship campaign against conservative speech on social media, protests and even school board meetings..

[jonmx 2,458]

8 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

On your first point, I’m just trying to follow you. I thought you were saying they were taking authority to devolve authority, thats what I meant by decline.

He has reduced the government arm which was actively promoting authoritarian policies and censoring speech which was counter to their authoritarian agenda.   I am not a fan of using such authority against illegals.   I think it is an over reaction to the ridiculously open borders of the previous 4 years, but it is too extreme.  But controlling immigration is a legit function of our constitutional government, so protestors interfering with such and targetting law enforcement are not innocent victims.   

[Fnord 2,493]

3 minutes ago, jonmx said:

He is firing cells within those organizations (such as the FBI, CIA, DOJ) which were abusing their power to target conservatives media, politicians and citizens including the massive censorship campaign against conservative speech on social media, protests and even school board meetings..

If by "firing cells" you mean demolishing the last vestiges of guardrails and oversight over the executive branch, such as abolition of the CFPB, axing inspectors general, firing ethical compliance lawyers, gutting the SEC, stacking SCOTUS with justices friendly to the Unitary Executive Theory, or tearing down regulatory agencies that may have something to say about his blatant corruption, then I'd agree with you.

But that's not what you're saying. You are claiming that the Don is a crusading hero trying to drain the swamp for the benefit of all Americans. My response to that is incredulity at your delusion.

[SaintsInDome2006 608]

4 minutes ago, jonmx said:

He has reduced the government arm which was actively promoting authoritarian policies and censoring speech which was counter to their authoritarian agenda.   I am not a fan of using such authority against illegals.   I think it is an over reaction to the ridiculously open borders of the previous 4 years, but it is too extreme.  But controlling immigration is a legit function of our constitutional government, so protestors interfering with such and targetting law enforcement are not innocent victims.   

If you’re a constitutionalist, please note the control of immigration you describe is specifically reserved to Congress, not the President. Congress hasn’t authorized any of this.

[seafoam1 3,401]

3 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

So, just about this. Here in NO we just had a controversy where the (since indicted, rightfully) Democratic mayor (Cantrell) brazenly sat outside at a noted FQ balcony restaurant. A woman who had her apartment across the street also on a balcony took pictures, and then provided them to the Picayune who ran them in the paper & online. The person whom she was eating with was a cop who was her assigned bodyguard who it was rumored (ultimately correctly) to be her lover & with whom she took expensive trips, did luxury things, & used a primo Cabildo condominium owned by the city (but intended for VIPs) to shack up in, all on the public dime. The mayor sued the woman who took the pics & the paper too IIRC. What are your thoughts on that, appropriate or not? TIA.

If someone sees a crime going on, they should report it, or simply step in and try to stop it. 

But if not, leave people alone. 

[seafoam1 3,401]

3 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I mean “state” like all government authority. Our state constitutions are the same though. Our system restricts the government, it has *no role in the constitutional order, it’s limited & constrained regularly. If you want a constitution where the government has “rights” look at the USSR & several constitutions outside the US. But FYI almost always they put duties on individuals *to the state as well. It’s a 2 way street, but in reality once people get hold of power it only goes in one direction.

As for your examples - there are laws that protect law enforcement & government property assault, harassment, & destruction of public property. By all means prosecute those, do it vigorously & with full effect. But federal troops have no role in any of that IMO. And we’ve seen countless examples of people engaging in 1st amendment activities being pepper sprayed, tear gassed, assaulted, seized, arrested without cause.

There is federal and state. Illegals being in this country, in any state, should be arrested and booted. State laws are limited in a federal sense. 

[SaintsInDome2006 608]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

If someone sees a crime going on, they should report it, or simply step in and try to stop it. 

But if not, leave people alone. 

So I take it it’s ok if people take pictures of public officials who they believe are committing crimes, so it can be reported to the press or authorities? The mayor wasn’t indicted at the time.

[seafoam1 3,401]

3 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Let’s just say I take an America First position and I agree with you, flatly, 100%. Great. Ok let’s look at just Americans (assuming of course they can prove their forbears got here legally & have all their paperwork).

We Americans want totally closed borders, almost no unemployment, Medicare, social security, affordable healthcare & etc (safe streets, access to all guns, low insurance, negligible inflation, cheap goods, all our goods & manufacturing, cheap cars, be a net exporter, cheap energy, & most importantly very low taxes on individuals & corporations). We also want: to remain the sole superpower in the world, to tell other countries to do what we say, & to push back China. We want all of that.

I raised Reagan elsewhere. People completely forgot how we got here with free trade, global dominance, a defeated communism. Trump is completely unraveling all those policies. But besides all that, Americans want EVERYTHING, all of it, at once. There’s no reality or accountability to any of it. 
 

How that ties into authoritarianism & free speech is the more the People (who are referenced in the Constitution) demand such accountability & redress for deteriorating conditions (which is inevitable) the more the state will seek to push down on that to retain power.

You are all over the place on this. What we all "want" is utopia from what you are outlining. That's not going to happen simply because of the duality of life. There is no other way to look at things in our limited world.

I don't think I've ever met anyone who has a reasonable thought in their head say they want everything to be perfect in life. Except maybe a few inexperienced dumbass 15 year olds and some old ladies and old men who have nothing else to do in life but whine. 

"Free speach" comes with consequences and it should when it comes to invading other people's space. Maxine Waters and the like telling people to go get in people's faces in restaurants, stores, on the streets should have been made an example of for the whole nation to see. 

So tell me, what actual policies are being unraveled by Trump?

[seafoam1 3,401]

16 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

So I take it it’s ok if people take pictures of public officials who they believe are committing crimes, so it can be reported to the press or authorities? The mayor wasn’t indicted at the time.

Liberals believe that anything or anyone they don't like is criminal activity. And they their goal is to go straight to the press because they want harm done to people they don't like and that is the quickest way, even if what they perceive to be a crime is not a crime. 

And also, I was just hearing on this site that public officials should have private lives like that chick over in New Jersey who is running for office who doesn't want her behavior at the naval academy to be exposed. Well too bad, that's public office, you opened yourself up to that scrutiny.

Frankly, I think the internet is a curse to a large part of society that is not capable to handle it at this time in history. And it is currently our biggest obstacle we have in this country. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006 608]

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

Liberals believe that anything or anyone they don't like is criminal activity. And they their goal is to go straight to the press because they want harm done to people they don't like and that is the quickest way, even if what they perceive to be a crime is not a crime. 

And also, I was just hearing on this site that public officials should have private lives like that chick over in New Jersey who is running for office who doesn't want her behavior at the naval academy to be exposed. Well too bad, that's public office, you opened yourself up to that scrutiny.

Frankly, I think the internet is a curse to a large part of society that is not capable to handle it at this time in history. And it is currently our biggest obstacle we have in this country. 

I think the Jersey Dem running for Governor is willing to talk about why she didn’t walk at her graduation at the Naval Academy, her issue is with the federal government handing over private data / information over to a political campaign.