This economy is so bad

[RLLD 4,199]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

So once again you are advocating people voting for their feelings rather than the reality?

Pretending the reality isn't true because you ring off macro measures that pointedly benefit the wealthy will not dissuade people, you cannot gaslight your way out of this one.....

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Pretending the reality isn't true because you ring off macro measures that pointedly benefit the wealthy will not dissuade people, you cannot gaslight your way out of this one.....

No gaslighting needed. The polls I've shown indicate that people feel they are doing well but the economy is bad. The numbers show a lot of the surrounding metrics are good.

You continue to advocate people should vote their feelings. It's fine but be honest about it, and understand that some people will vote their feelings on other issues whether you like them or not. 

[RLLD 4,199]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

No gaslighting needed. The polls I've shown indicate that people feel they are doing well but the economy is bad. The numbers show a lot of the surrounding metrics are good.

You continue to advocate people should vote their feelings. It's fine but be honest about it, and understand that some people will vote their feelings on other issues whether you like them or not. 

Polls are just peoples "feelings", are those feelings then suitable for voting purposes then?  Let's table that for a second....

The macroeconomic numbers you want to use as your "proof" only show the benefit to the wealthy.... and you know what, if the Democrats were not so focking stupid with their policies, it might be enough to get them elected,,,,but no....they had to do some of the most evidently stu0pid things like the "inflation reduction act"......and all that did was harm the lower strata....who will now vote their stupid arses out....

[Hardcore troubadour 15,266]

Mooney thinks everyone’s reality is the same. 

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

10 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Polls are just peoples "feelings", are those feelings then suitable for voting purposes then?  Let's table that for a second....

The macroeconomic numbers you want to use as your "proof" only show the benefit to the wealthy.... and you know what, if the Democrats were not so focking stupid with their policies, it might be enough to get them elected,,,,but no....they had to do some of the most evidently stu0pid things like the "inflation reduction act"......and all that did was harm the lower strata....who will now vote their stupid arses out....

It does not only benefit the wealthy. That's silly.

And yes people might vote them out- because they are voting their perceptions and not their reality. Again- feelz, not facts. 

[RLLD 4,199]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

It does not only benefit the wealthy. That's silly.

And yes people might vote them out- because they are voting their perceptions and not their reality. Again- feelz, not facts. 

Not silly, there are economic measures which are disproportionately beneficial to differing strata, and this administration has been very kind to the wealthy, and very unkind to the lower classes.

They would likely not be in this situation, and likely be in position to dominate the voting, had they not pursued stupid policy that inflamed inflation.  Now the people have had enough, and their lived experiences are so bad, they are going to vote for Republicans in a profound manner.

 

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Mooney thinks everyone’s reality is the same. 

First off- boy you can't even go like an hour or two without mentioning me. This even after I decided to ease up on running you into the ground. Just sad man.

And no of course not everyone's reality is the same:

Case in point- I have a functioning brain in my head capable of critical thought. You have a 14-month-old, moldy salami sandwich in your head that fuels your autistic rage.

So no our realities are not the same. Now run along 

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Not silly, there are economic measures which are disproportionately beneficial to differing strata, and this administration has been very kind to the wealthy, and very unkind to the lower classes.

They would likely not be in this situation, and likely be in position to dominate the voting, had they not pursued stupid policy that inflamed inflation.  Now the people have had enough, and their lived experiences are so bad, they are going to vote for Republicans in a profound manner.

 

Yes we know- your feelings on inflation- all one party, no blame to the other....got it. 

They are going to vote the other way because their perception is different than what they feel their reality is- as every poll I've shared points out. Feelz not facts....it's fine- just admit it. 

[RLLD 4,199]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Yes we know- your feelings on inflation- all one party, no blame to the other....got it. 

They are going to vote the other way because their perception is different than what they feel their reality is- as every poll I've shared points out. Feelz not facts....it's fine- just admit it. 

Almost correct, misrepresenting what I have posted wont work here..... fomenting inflation was an unforced error, that the Democrats are now paying for.  Now if you want to misrepresent me, that is different than simply disagreeing.

You ay not like the way people vote on their economic experiences, but they will still do it, and I think its wonderful

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Almost correct, misrepresenting what I have posted wont work here..... fomenting inflation was an unforced error, that the Democrats are now paying for.  Now if you want to misrepresent me, that is different than simply disagreeing.

You ay not like the way people vote on their economic experiences, but they will still do it, and I think its wonderful

1.) Yes it is always you being "misrepresented." The more accurate descriptor is you are very hypocritical about things in discussions. 

2.) I don't have a problem with people voting in favor of their feelings over facts. I'm also not the one who has complained about that in the past here who is in favor of it now..

[RLLD 4,199]

49 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

1.) Yes it is always you being "misrepresented." The more accurate descriptor is you are very hypocritical about things in discussions. 

2.) I don't have a problem with people voting in favor of their feelings over facts. I'm also not the one who has complained about that in the past here who is in favor of it now..

So you are then knowingly lying, not simply misrepresenting my position?  Fair enough, I can accept that you are likely a liar.

You do seem to have a problem with people voting their reality, at least the Democrats stopped lying about it to people.....

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

14 minutes ago, RLLD said:

So you are then knowingly lying, not simply misrepresenting my position?  Fair enough, I can accept that you are likely a liar.

You do seem to have a problem with people voting their reality, at least the Democrats stopped lying about it to people.....

I've not misrepresented you once. Multiple times I've presented your words against you and just watched you twist in the wind. It's not lying, it's not gaslighting, it's not whatever word you want to attach next. 

I do not have a problem with people voting their feelings or reality. I'm not a hypocrite like you in that regard where I will twist one way and then the other. 

[RLLD 4,199]

28 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I've not misrepresented you once. Multiple times I've presented your words against you and just watched you twist in the wind. It's not lying, it's not gaslighting, it's not whatever word you want to attach next. 

I do not have a problem with people voting their feelings or reality. I'm not a hypocrite like you in that regard where I will twist one way and then the other. 

 

28 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I've not misrepresented you once. Multiple times I've presented your words against you and just watched you twist in the wind. It's not lying, it's not gaslighting, it's not whatever word you want to attach next. 

I do not have a problem with people voting their feelings or reality. I'm not a hypocrite like you in that regard where I will twist one way and then the other. 

Yes, you have, you lie "Yes we know- your feelings on inflation- all one party, no blame to the other....got it. "  is something i have never said, and in fact have directly refuted.   If you were in a position where your thoughts were "truth" yo would not need to lie.....

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

 

Yes, you have, you lie "Yes we know- your feelings on inflation- all one party, no blame to the other....got it. "  is something i have never said, and in fact have directly refuted.   If you were in a position where your thoughts were "truth" yo would not need to lie.....

Dude- I'm not going on this circle with you again. You looked like a fool there, you looked like a fool on the whole idea about Trump not needing to admit mistakes. Just stop while you are way behind. 

[RLLD 4,199]

10 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Dude- I'm not going on this circle with you again. You looked like a fool there, you looked like a fool on the whole idea about Trump not needing to admit mistakes. Just stop while you are way behind. 

And I will not allow you to lie so easily.  Readers should understand your inclination to lie, and then read your posts with that understanding.

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

And I will not allow you to lie so easily.  Readers should understand your inclination to lie, and then read your posts with that understanding.

I had hoped maybe time would bring you to the truth of your positions.

It has not I see. Continue lying to make yourself feel better. 

[RLLD 4,199]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I had hoped maybe time would bring you to the truth of your positions.

It has not I see. Continue lying to make yourself feel better. 

Time has proven my positions, the voters will show us all.  I am grateful.  Perhaps that is the reason you were lying? I guess I get that 

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Time has proven my positions, the voters will show us all.  I am grateful.  Perhaps that is the reason you were lying? I guess I get that 

You said people will vote to oust the current administration. I said they will as well. I said they are voting for their perceptions and not realities and that the polling indicates they feel they are personally doing well but overall the economy is not....you have ignored that as you try to twist it into something you want it to be. I also said for someone like you who has advocated people should not vote for their feelings but rather the facts you seem to be on the flip side here because it is more advantageous to your position. You seem to ignore that in all of this.

But again it's what you do- when you get cornered you just twist in the wind and accuse people of lying, misrepresenting you, gaslighting. I'm used to it from you at this point

[RLLD 4,199]

4 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

You said people will vote to oust the current administration. I said they will as well. I said they are voting for their perceptions and not realities and that the polling indicates they feel they are personally doing well but overall the economy is not....you have ignored that as you try to twist it into something you want it to be. I also said for someone like you who has advocated people should not vote for their feelings but rather the facts you seem to be on the flip side here because it is more advantageous to your position. You seem to ignore that in all of this.

But again it's what you do- when you get cornered you just twist in the wind and accuse people of lying, misrepresenting you, gaslighting. I'm used to it from you at this point

It would seem we agree on more than we disagree.   The lived reality of people is manifesting in them voting out those who harmed them, this to me seems both just and appropriate. 

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

It would seem we agree on more than we disagree.   The lived reality of people is manifesting in them voting out those who harmed them, this to me seems both just and appropriate. 

So you agree that people are okay to vote on their feelz on other issues even if it flies against reality?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,266]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

So you agree that people are okay to vote on their feelz on other issues even if it flies against reality?

People paying more for groceries is reality simpleton.  

[RLLD 4,199]

18 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

So you agree that people are okay to vote on their feelz on other issues even if it flies against reality?

I agree that their lived experiences suffering under poor economic policies are legitimate.  Hence the reporting on it, further reinforcing it.

You might want to take a step back before you try this, keep in mind that your tactic here to pretend away the pain.....would then refute any attempts to suggest racism is real.  

Instead of searching for logic that defends your ideological patrons, look at what people are going through.....

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I agree that their lived experiences suffering under poor economic policies are legitimate.  Hence the reporting on it, further reinforcing it.

You might want to take a step back before you try this, keep in mind that your tactic here to pretend away the pain.....would then refute any attempts to suggest racism is real.  

Instead of searching for logic that defends your ideological patrons, look at what people are going through.....

You tried this tactic before and I pointed out that plenty here think people shouldn't vote on this issue because racism isn't there anymore.

It's a simple question- are you okay with people voting on their feelings on this issue of the economy? If you are okay with people voting for their feelings- then that should apply across the board. 

[RLLD 4,199]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

You tried this tactic before and I pointed out that plenty here think people shouldn't vote on this issue because racism isn't there anymore.

It's a simple question- are you okay with people voting on their feelings on this issue of the economy? If you are okay with people voting for their feelings- then that should apply across the board. 

I will use the extension of your logic, absolutely.  You see your logic here would refute the racism claims elsewhere.

So instead of leveraging <ahem> logic only where it suits your bias on a specific target, be consistent with it.  If you would not use it in other arguments, dont let yourself use it here.  And that factor alone should tell you that you are not being clear and consistent. 

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I will use the extension of your logic, absolutely.  You see your logic here would refute the racism claims elsewhere.

So instead of leveraging <ahem> logic only where it suits your bias on a specific target, be consistent with it.  If you would not use it in other arguments, dont let yourself use it here.  And that factor alone should tell you that you are not being clear and consistent. 

I acknowledge what I always have....people vote with their feelings on a variety of issues. I don't pick and choose when they can and cannot. 

[RLLD 4,199]

6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I acknowledge what I always have....people vote with their feelings on a variety of issues. I don't pick and choose when they can and cannot. 

Agree.   People will vote based on their lived experiences.  The best way to control that is to ensure their lives are good, or perhaps better.

By way of example, right now people continue to suffer under the pressures of inflation, this will be true for some time as it is bloody hard to correct this once it manifests. 

Therefore......our leaders should not do anything stupid.....that might make it last longer or get worse.....like pumping money out into the system, they should not do this....as the Democrats did....

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Agree.   People will vote based on their lived experiences.  The best way to control that is to ensure their lives are good, or perhaps better.

By way of example, right now people continue to suffer under the pressures of inflation, this will be true for some time as it is bloody hard to correct this once it manifests. 

Therefore......our leaders should not do anything stupid.....that might make it last longer or get worse.....like pumping money out into the system, they should not do this....as the Democrats did....

Yes we know your thoughts on inflation....and I agreed with things Biden did that didn't help. But you absolved Trump of stuff which will spin that cycle.

All of this comes back to you not wanting to hold Republicans feet to the flame for anything. 

 

 

[RLLD 4,199]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Yes we know your thoughts on inflation....and I agreed with things Biden did that didn't help. But you absolved Trump of stuff which will spin that cycle.

All of this comes back to you not wanting to hold Republicans feet to the flame for anything. 

 

 

Just making sure that anyone reading this knows that this is a flat out lie, as I have posted multiple times that Trump also faced inflation.   

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Just making sure that anyone reading this knows that this is a flat out lie, as I have posted multiple times that Trump also faced inflation.   

But you argued he didn't do anything to exacerbate it which is just not true.....so a flat out partisan lie from you.

 

Unless you want to retract it now?

[RLLD 4,199]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

But you argued he didn't do anything to exacerbate it which is just not true.....so a flat out partisan lie from you.

 

Unless you want to retract it now?

Every president influences inflation, its part and parcel of the role.  The distinguishing feature being that Biden inherited a good inflationary situation and then took action to make it less good, then lied to us about it.....then put in place bills that took a bad situation and made it horrible, then continued to lie about it....

No other President in our lifetime has been so reckless and inept.....and caused so much harm because of it.....this is different than any of his predecessors.  So yeah, not going to compare such a fiend to his predecessors, any of them....

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18 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Yes we know your thoughts on inflation....and I agreed with things Biden did that didn't help. But you absolved Trump of stuff which will spin that cycle.

All of this comes back to you not wanting to hold Republicans feet to the flame for anything. 

 

 

RLLD..?  A partisan hack?  Tha...that....thats impossible!

Notice this guy in the post above also wrote " this will be true for some time as it is bloody hard to correct this once it manifests"

if that's not a excuse for Trumps economic policies not generating successful results if he wins....I don't know what one is.  

At least RLLD hasn't blamed Obama.....yet.  

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

38 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Every president influences inflation, its part and parcel of the role.  The distinguishing feature being that Biden inherited a good inflationary situation and then took action to make it less good, then lied to us about it.....then put in place bills that took a bad situation and made it horrible, then continued to lie about it....

No other President in our lifetime has been so reckless and inept.....and caused so much harm because of it.....this is different than any of his predecessors.  So yeah, not going to compare such a fiend to his predecessors, any of them....

This is you telling jokes right?

Also, important to note- of the past 4 Presidents- 3 entered the White House in or around a recession or economic downturn of some kind. The only one who didn't was Donald Trump. So he was handed a solid economy and partially because of COVID, partially because of his spending like crazy, and partially his own policies that boosted inflation warning signals he handed a less than stellar one to Biden. 

[RLLD 4,199]

7 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

This is you telling jokes right?

Also, important to note- of the past 4 Presidents- 3 entered the White House in or around a recession or economic downturn of some kind. The only one who didn't was Donald Trump. So he was handed a solid economy and partially because of COVID, partially because of his spending like crazy, and partially his own policies that boosted inflation warning signals he handed a less than stellar one to Biden. 

You should perhaps  be careful what you believe, Biden has lied profusely about inflation, even CNN has called him out on these lies.   We also know that Inflation fell from 2.5% in January 2020 to a low of 0.1% in May 2020

Biden so badly mangled the rather beneficial situation he was handed that he delivered the largest 12-month increase in approximately 40 years.

His failures were historic. 

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

You should perhaps  be careful what you believe, Biden has lied profusely about inflation, even CNN has called him out on these lies.   We also know that Inflation fell from 2.5% in January 2020 to a low of 0.1% in May 2020

Biden so badly mangled the rather beneficial situation he was handed that he delivered the largest 12-month increase in approximately 40 years.

His failures were historic. 

So the year in which we felt the full impact of what COVID wrought?

Also, the impact should have been about 3% and it was 6% which would indicate other factors at play.

And the main thing they signed in was building on the acts in March and December of 2020....

[RLLD 4,199]

19 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

So the year in which we felt the full impact of what COVID wrought?

Also, the impact should have been about 3% and it was 6% which would indicate other factors at play.

And the main thing they signed in was building on the acts in March and December of 2020....

Biden.....mismanaged the situation, then lied when his failures became apparent.....which means.....he did not move to deal with it, instead he lied about it...allowing it to continue....and get worse....and then he lied more.....and later, when lying no longer worked, he called it transitional......again not acting and delaying....missing opportunities to mute it.... and then he pushed legislation that would be like throwing gas on on it,,,,making it FAR......FAR worse....   and THEN......the dumb motherfockers tried to push ANOTHER bill to make it even worse, and Manchin saved him from his own stupidity...

His mismanagement of the situation is almost too extreme and bad to be called a mistake.     What he did to the average American, is simply unforgivable.

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Biden.....mismanaged the situation, then lied when his failures became apparent.....which means.....he did not move to deal with it, instead he lied about it...allowing it to continue....and get worse....and then he lied more.....and later, when lying no longer worked, he called it transitional......again not acting and delaying....missing opportunities to mute it.... and then he pushed legislation that would be like throwing gas on on it,,,,making it FAR......FAR worse....   and THEN......the dumb motherfockers tried to push ANOTHER bill to make it even worse, and Manchin saved him from his own stupidity...

His mismanagement of the situation is almost too extreme and bad to be called a mistake.     What he did to the average American, is simply unforgivable.

Yes you established the Biden stuff.....now do Trump's role.

[RLLD 4,199]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Yes you established the Biden stuff.....now do Trump's role.

He handed Biden a solid economy with low inflation.  Then Biden took actions that were profoundly stupid and which harmed Americans, but did not need to take those actions.

There you go.

[Sean Mooney 1,970]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

He handed Biden a solid economy with low inflation.  Then Biden took actions that were profoundly stupid and which harmed Americans, but did not need to take those actions.

There you go.

That first sentence isn't 100% true but you'll never admit it because your partisan hackery won't let you.

It's fine. I don't feel like rehashing your lies again. 

[RLLD 4,199]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

That first sentence isn't 100% true but you'll never admit it because your partisan hackery won't let you.

It's fine. I don't feel like rehashing your lies again. 

I did not say perfect, I said solid, and it absolutely was.  Not just MY words, even the media who hate Trump lamented his prowess in handing Biden a good situation......

And then Biden systematically ruined things, and not just for us during that time.....his damage will haunt us for years to come, playing with inflation is like playing with nuclear weapons.....profoundly stupid.....  it takes years......just focking years....to unwind the damage caused by inflation

[jbycho 754]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

That first sentence isn't 100% true but you'll never admit it because your partisan hackery won't let you.

It's fine. I don't feel like rehashing your lies again. 

You are so wrong.