Predict the Bears record for 2024

[Baker Boy 1,691]

14 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Wow. What a whiner for someone who has no rooting interest in the NFL.

You need a hobby dude. 

Two 1st round, a 4th round and a 5th round draft choices converted to a 6th round pick for Fields. This move was made because of their terrible 1st round draft pick of Mitch Taberski a few years earlier.

[seafoam1 2,825]

4 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Two 1st round, a 4th round and a 5th round draft choices converted to a 6th round pick for Fields. This move was made because of their terrible 1st round draft pick of Mitch Taberski a few years earlier.

Last management team. You go cry about that in your bed or wherever you cry. . I moved on a couple years ago. 

[Baker Boy 1,691]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Last management team. You go cry about that in your bed or wherever you cry. . I moved on a couple years ago. 

The team you call the fudge Packers have beaten the Bears 10 times in a row, what does that make the Bears?

[seafoam1 2,825]

2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

The team you call the fudge Packers have beaten the Bears 10 times in a row, what does that make the Bears?

Ok. Makes them the Bears. 

The fudge packers are winning the overall series by like 12 games or so over the last 200+ games. Wow. So lopsided. Throw a party. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,033]

Andrew Luck won 11 games his rookie year. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,033]

Russell Wilson won 11 games his rookie year 

[Mike Honcho 5,161]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Andrew Luck won 11 games his rookie year. 

 

The Colts weren't truly a bad team though---aside from horrible QB play in 2011 when Manning was out the entire year with a neck injury.  His numbers are great for a rookie, but I say it was he didn't go out and lose them a bunch of games.  For the season the team was -30 in point differential.  Between the -30 points and his 76.5 QB rating, I'm guessing that some of those wins would statistically be called lucky or outliers. 

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16

16

11-5-0

339

627

54.1

4374

23

3.7

18

2.9

208

43.4

70

7.0

6.4

12.9

273.4

76.5

65.6

41

246

6.1

6.18

5.66

4

7

[Hardcore troubadour 15,033]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

 

The Colts weren't truly a bad team though---aside from horrible QB play in 2011 when Manning was out the entire year with a neck injury.  His numbers are great for a rookie, but I say it was he didn't go out and lose them a bunch of games.  For the season the team was -30 in point differential.  Between the -30 points and his 76.5 QB rating, I'm guessing that some of those wins would statistically be called lucky or outliers. 

12

16

16

11-5-0

339

627

54.1

4374

23

3.7

18

2.9

208

43.4

70

7.0

6.4

12.9

273.4

76.5

65.6

41

246

6.1

6.18

5.66

4

7

Well, the Bears won 7 games last year and appear to have as many weapons as luck had. Actually more.  

[seafoam1 2,825]

Ranking best situations for rookie QBs since 2000

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[Mike Honcho 5,161]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, the Bears won 7 games last year and appear to have as many weapons as luck had. Actually more.  

IMO-Luck was just a more finished prospect when he came out, and was ready to step in and capably manage a game.  I'm not sold that Williams is at that level.  

Maybe, we'll see, it is why they play the games, am I right? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,033]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

IMO-Luck was just a more finished prospect when he came out, and was ready to step in and capably manage a game.  I'm not sold that Williams is at that level.  

Maybe, we'll see, it is why they play the games, am I right? 

I’m just saying that there are many instances of a rookie coming in and making the playoffs.  It’s not quite the unique occurrence we would think. But schedule and division make a difference. And the NFC north is good right now.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,787]

21 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, the Bears won 7 games last year and appear to have as many weapons as luck had. Actually more.  

But don't forget that Green Bay and Detroit are a year better as well. Caleb Williams is going to be very good but he's a rookie, baby steps. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,033]

18 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

But don't forget that Green Bay and Detroit are a year better as well. Caleb Williams is going to be very good but he's a rookie, baby steps. 

It would be better if you read what I write. Thanks. 

[seafoam1 2,825]

33 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

But don't forget that Green Bay and Detroit are a year better as well. Caleb Williams is going to be very good but he's a rookie, baby steps. 

How is Green Bay a year better? It's only been criticism of them this off season. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,787]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

How is Green Bay a year better? It's only been criticism of them ghis off season. 

Did you see Jordan Love progress? 

[seafoam1 2,825]

I still think QBs are a crap shoot. 

The two best QBs in the past 20 years were passsd up by all the teams in Brady's case, many times, and by multiple teams in Mahomes case. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,787]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

still think QBs are a crap shoot. 

They always are. Rarely do 1st round QBs ever meet their draft capital. That doesn't mean you don't draft them. 

[listen2me 23 1,834]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

How is Green Bay a year better? It's only been criticism of them this off season. 

I dont even read these articles.  But a quick "winners and losers of FA" search shows many articles with them in the winners column with no sign of a loser tag.  

[seafoam1 2,825]

3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Did you see Jordan Love progress? 

Yeah. He graded out middle of the pack for QBs. 3rd year player. Not bad.

Fields was worse. 

[seafoam1 2,825]

3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

They always are. Rarely do 1st round QBs ever meet their draft capital. That doesn't mean you don't draft them. 

On the contrary, teams should draft them more frequently until they hit.

[seafoam1 2,825]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I dont even read these articles.  But a quick "winners and losers of FA" search shows many articles with them in the winners column with no sign of a loser tag.  

I think they screwed it with dumping Aaron Jones. That dude was their heart and soul. But I like Jacobs too. Not as much for GB though. 

[listen2me 23 1,834]

3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Yeah. He graded out middle of the pack for QBs. 3rd year player. Not bad.

Fields was worse. 

2nd in TD passes.  More TD passes with less ints than Allen Mahomes Hurts....

Talk about no weapons.  Was throwinhto rookies all year.  Guys learning on the fly.  Not your Jamar Chase Justin Jefferson tookies either.  

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

43 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

But don't forget that Green Bay and Detroit are a year better as well. Caleb Williams is going to be very good but he's a rookie, baby steps. 

How long are baby steps?  One year? Two years? Three years?  It seems QBs only get 3 years lately.

[seafoam1 2,825]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

2nd in TD passes.  More TD passes with less ints than Allen Mahomes Hurts....

Talk about no weapons.  Was throwinhto rookies all year.  Guys learning on the fly.  Not your Jamar Chase Justin Jefferson tookies either.  

I like GBs receivers. Young and dynamic. They will prove out. 

[listen2me 23 1,834]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

I think they screwed it with dumping Aaron Jones. That dude was their heart and soul. But I like Jacobs too. Not as much for GB though. 

Oh its tough to see a guy like that go.  But its the NFL.  GB has done well cutting bait a year early only to see FAs leave and flame out.   

You are right, tough day in that locker room.  But Jacobs seems like a good dude too and a leader.  From everyI have seen/read.  Liked his interviews.   Rasul Douglas was a big loss in season.  Leader on defense all players loved him.  Traded him.  The beat went on.  Put a 7th round rookie next to Jaire and he played ok and got a ton of reps.  The locker room got over the move.  

[seafoam1 2,825]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

How long are baby steps?  One year? Two years? Three years?  It seems QBs only get 3 years lately.

I just saw an article of yhe Bears being interestdd in Tannehill. I would love that. And I would love for him to be starter with Williams on the bench. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

I just saw an article of yhe Bears being interestdd in Tannehill. I would love that. And I would love for him to be starter with Williams on the bench. 

Interesting

[Maximum Overkill 1,787]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

How long are baby steps?  One year? Two years? Three years?  It seems QBs only get 3 years lately.

He's going to be impactful immediately. That doesn't mean the Bears are ready to compete as a team though. There's a lot of unknowns still. 

[listen2me 23 1,834]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

How long are baby steps?  One year? Two years? Three years?  It seems QBs only get 3 years lately.

1 year as a true rookie. Then let the expectation run wild.  

I said 7-10.  But if hes a ready to go solid starter this 1st year I could see 9 or 10.  A playoff birth could be what Bears fans are aiming for.  Division is solid.  NFC as a whole is still meh.  

[seafoam1 2,825]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Oh its tough to see a guy like that go.  But its the NFL.  GB has done well cutting bait a year early only to see FAs leave and flame out.   

You are right, tough day in that locker room.  But Jacobs seems like a good dude too and a leader.  From everyI have seen/read.  Liked his interviews.   Rasul Douglas was a big loss in season.  Leader on defense all players loved him.  Traded him.  The beat went on.  Put a 7th round rookie next to Jaire and he played ok and got a ton of reps.  The locker room got over the move.  

Didn't Minn pick up Jones. GB NEEDS  a backup RB. They could use a guy like Singletary if a player like him is out there. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,787]

3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

And I would love for him to be starter with Williams on the bench. 

Now I know you lost your mind. 

If Williams is benched for Tannehill then everyone needs to be fired and the entire city burnt to the ground. Are you insane?

[seafoam1 2,825]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

1 year as a true rookie. Then let the expectation run wild.  

I said 7-10.  But if hes a ready to go solid starter this 1st year I could see 9 or 10.  A playoff birth could be what Bears fans are aiming for.  Division is solid.  NFC as a whole is still meh.  

You are a big packers fan. You of all people should believe in sitting a rookie QB like Williams. 

[seafoam1 2,825]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

Now I know you lost your mind. 

If Williams is benched for Tannehill then everyone needs to be fired and the entire city burnt to the ground. Are you insane?

We disagree. Mucho. 

[listen2me 23 1,834]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

I like GBs receivers. Young and dynamic. They will prove out. 

I do too.  But end of the day the slot was a 2nd round rookie.  The TE was a 2nd round rookie.  Got hurt.  Replaced with a 3rd round rookie.  Wicks who I like a lot was seeing balls as a 5th round rookie.  Watson missed like 7 games.  Hes 2nd year.  Doubs 2nd year 4th rounder.  Bo Melton was a factor late in the season a couple times.  Bo Melton.

Thats a lot of 21 year olds and a 1st year starter at QB.  I expected a bumpy season.   

[Maximum Overkill 1,787]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

We disagree. Mucho. 

Let me get this right.

You want the bears to sign Tannehill to play QB while the #1 overall pick, the highest graded rookie QB since Andrew Luck sits on the bench and watches? 

You need to call an ambulance immediately. You're not well. 

[seafoam1 2,825]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I do too.  But end of the day the slot was a 2nd round rookie.  The TE was a 2nd round rookie.  Got hurt.  Replaced with a 3rd round rookie.  Wicks who I like a lot was seeing balls as a 5th round rookie.  Watson missed like 7 games.  Hes 2nd year.  Doubs 2nd year 4th rounder.  Bo Melton was a factor late in the season a couple times.  Bo Melton.

Thats a lot of 21 year olds and a 1st year starter at QB.  I expected a bumpy season.   

It's surreal. They need to prove it this year that they are for real. They will be very interesting to watch. If they fail early, watch out. But if they get on a roll...

[seafoam1 2,825]

3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Let me get this right.

You want the bears to sign Tannehill to play QB while the #1 overall pick, the highest graded rookie QB since Andrew Luck sits on the bench and watches? 

You need to call an ambulance immediately. You're not well. 

I do want that. Williams regressed in instinct over the past couple years in college because of his cocky aggressiveness. He needs to learn the kind of stuff that Brock Purdy knows even though Williams is lightyears more dynamic. 

[seafoam1 2,825]

It doesn't matter though. Williams will start most likely.

[Maximum Overkill 1,787]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

It doesn't matter though. Williams will start most likely.

He will start day one, you can bet your life on it. 

[seafoam1 2,825]

5 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

He will start day one, you can bet your life on it. 

I think fans get confused when teams draft QBs high thinking the execs think that QB will be their savior. In reality, the execs just are hoping they hit. They know the risks. They know the QBs downsides. The Bears' execs knew the mental processing quickness risks with Fields and they are trying to still figure out if Williams is a head case or not. But they will take a risk on him or another QB this draft. So,...