RLLD 4,230 Posted April 5, 2024 17 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Doubled since when? I’m not saying the economy is good (after all, Biden didn’t inherit a good one due to Covid and he made it worse). But it’s not worse than 2008, even for lower class people Last year this time. We would normally pack about half as much as we have done recently, these kids wont eat if we dont send them home with a backpack of some canned goods etc..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,868 Posted April 5, 2024 14 minutes ago, RLLD said: Last year this time. We would normally pack about half as much as we have done recently, these kids wont eat if we dont send them home with a backpack of some canned goods etc..... Now do vs 2008 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted April 5, 2024 15 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Now do vs 2008 I wasnt involved in 2008, the need did not arise until 2012, which is when we really had to create a metro-wide solution Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,512 Posted April 5, 2024 13 minutes ago, RLLD said: I wasnt involved in 2008, the need did not arise until 2012, which is when we really had to create a metro-wide solution Let's just pretend that this is the worst economy ever, and it's the Democrats fault. And your argument is around inflation. What will Trump do to bring down inflation ?And please be specific. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted April 5, 2024 1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said: Let's just pretend that this is the worst economy ever, and it's the Democrats fault. And your argument is around inflation. What will Trump do to bring down inflation ?And please be specific. Since it was already exposed, I guess I will call out your lie now.....reframing someone as you have been might make you feel good, but its clear people are seeing through it. Specifically, my insistence for Trump is just dont do anything Biden has, if he enters the office and does not actively harm the markets they can heal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,868 Posted April 5, 2024 19 minutes ago, RLLD said: I wasnt involved in 2008, the need did not arise until 2012, which is when we really had to create a metro-wide solution Ok so your anecdote is even more irrelevant to the question then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,868 Posted April 5, 2024 @edjr probably loved 2008 because it caused house prices to come down Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,512 Posted April 5, 2024 1 minute ago, RLLD said: Since it was already exposed, I guess I will call out your lie now.....reframing someone as you have been might make you feel good, but its clear people are seeing through it. Specifically, my insistence for Trump is just dont do anything Biden has, if he enters the office and does not actively harm the markets they can heal. Ok not worst economy ever, the worst economy that the lower class has seen. Better? Ok now please answer the question. How will Trump fix inflation? And don't say "stuff Biden didn't do", that's a cop out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted April 5, 2024 2 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Ok so your anecdote is even more irrelevant to the question then Irrelevant to you, entirely relevant to the people being harmed Maybe if these policies harmed you enough, it would start to matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,868 Posted April 5, 2024 1 minute ago, RLLD said: Irrelevant to you, entirely relevant to the people being harmed Maybe if these policies harmed you enough, it would start to matter. Again, I’m not saying the economy is great and I agree that Biden has made it worse. But you claimed it is worse than 2008 for the lower class and have yet to provide any evidence to back it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted April 5, 2024 2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Ok not worst economy ever, the worst economy that the lower class has seen. Better? Ok now please answer the question. How will Trump fix inflation? And don't say "stuff Biden didn't do", that's a cop out. Nope, still not what I said. It wasn't a cop out when Biden unwound the policies that were beneficial to us, just because it was Trump.....but now I guess you see it differently. The Fed can handle their business, but making stupid policy decisions, such as student loan debt forgiveness, makes their job harder.....Trump wont need to buy votes by pumping money into the economy....so that should make us hopeful. Now, should he do something equally as stupid as Biden, I will turn on him rather quickly.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted April 5, 2024 Just now, TimHauck said: Again, I’m not saying the economy is great and I agree that Biden has made it worse. But you claimed it is worse than 2008 for the lower class and have yet to provide any evidence to back it up. I provided some evidence, how people are living is what matters.....and trotting out metrics so as to suggest to them that its not true, well, we can already see how that is manifesting.... Now if you want talk about it forthrightly I am all about that, but this thing where you say no thats not true is just not standing up to scrutiny...so pretend away, its making sure Trump wins... How voters feel about the economy: 4 takeaways from the latest polls Inflation and high prices remain the electorate’s top concern and dominate voters’ assessment of the economy. In a just-released Economist/YouGov survey, 22% of voters identify inflation/prices as their most important issue, compared to only seven percent who cite jobs and the economy. According to a Data for Progress analysis, 68% of those who put inflation and prices first named the cost of food as their principal concern, followed by housing (17%), utilities (eight percent), and gas (three percent). Despite some modest recent improvement, voters’ sentiments about the economy remain negative. A recent Wall Street Journal (WSJ) survey found 31% of voters endorse the proposition that the economy has improved over the past two years, up by 10 percentage points since December. In another sign of progress, a New York Times (NYT) survey from early March found that 26% regard economic conditions as excellent or good, up from 20% since last July. Still, 74% of the NYT respondents regard the economy as only fair (23%) or poor (51%). And as an analysis of the WSJ data shows, inflation is still the main reason why economic sentiment remains depressed. More than two-thirds of voters say that inflation is headed in the wrong direction, and nearly three-quarters say that price increases are exceeding gains in household income. This helps explain why only 24% of voters expect the economy to get better over the next 12 months. The Economist/YouGov survey helps us understand how key subgroups of the electorate are feeling about the economy. Only 22% of Black Americans, 13% of Hispanics, and 18% of young adults believe that they are better off financially today than they were a year ago. (The figure for the electorate as a whole is a rock-bottom 15%.) And during a period in which party affiliation has a much greater effect on economic evaluations than it did two decades ago, only 26% of Democrats say that their economic circumstances have improved over the past year. Just 19% of Black Americans, 14% of Hispanics, 12% of young adults, and 21% of the full electorate believe that economic conditions are getting better, while an outright majority of voters (52%) say that things are getting worse. President Biden continues to get low marks for his handling of inflation. Overall, only 35% of voters approve of his handling of this issue. Among Hispanics, just 34% approve; for young adults, 28%; among lower-income voters, 29%. When it comes to the economy, Donald Trump enjoys a clear edge over Biden. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,512 Posted April 5, 2024 7 minutes ago, RLLD said: Nope, still not what I said. It wasn't a cop out when Biden unwound the policies that were beneficial to us, just because it was Trump.....but now I guess you see it differently. The Fed can handle their business, but making stupid policy decisions, such as student loan debt forgiveness, makes their job harder.....Trump wont need to buy votes by pumping money into the economy....so that should make us hopeful. Now, should he do something equally as stupid as Biden, I will turn on him rather quickly.... I'm gonna keep asking... What policies did Biden unwind that caused inflation? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted April 5, 2024 2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: I'm gonna keep asking... What policies did Biden unwind that caused inflation? I am surprised you are unaware, it suggests that you do not posses the knowledge to really speak about the subject thoughtfully.... or....you are actively looking for reasons to defend him.... hard to know what your motivations might be, but we know Biden is the main culprit One example of an explanation Quote The main area where Biden has faced criticism relates to outsized government spending. The $2 trillion American Rescue Plan, in particular, has come under scrutiny by economists for contributing to the surge in inflation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,512 Posted April 5, 2024 1 minute ago, RLLD said: I am surprised you are unaware, it suggests that you do not posses the knowledge to really speak about the subject thoughtfully.... or....you are actively looking for reasons to defend him.... hard to know what your motivations might be, but we know Biden is the main culprit One example of an explanation Ok, so the $2T covid spending. You're saying this is Biden policy that reversed trump policy. But trump spent $4T on covid in a year, right. So if Biden's $2T caused inflation, what was Trump's $4T effect? And how is that a reverse on policy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted April 5, 2024 1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said: Ok, so the $2T covid spending. You're saying this is Biden policy that reversed trump policy. But trump spent $4T on covid in a year, right. So if Biden's $2T caused inflation, what was Trump's $4T effect? And how is that a reverse on policy? Its typically not "one thing" this was just an easily harvested example. When we look deeper into it, we can see mistakes here and there....a problem is rarely a univariate issue. Perhaps worse than anything else...... was the active ignoring of the impacts as they became evident, and the missed opportunities to deal with it early on so as to at least mitigate some of the harm.....all those months gaslighting people that their observations of inflation were not true made things worse than they needed to be.... This inclination to say "thats not true, what you are experiencing isnt true, look at this economic measure which says your reality is fake....." is proving to be ineffective as a solution Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,512 Posted April 5, 2024 3 minutes ago, RLLD said: Its typically not "one thing" this was just an easily harvested example. When we look deeper into it, we can see mistakes here and there....a problem is rarely a univariate issue. Perhaps worse than anything else...... was the active ignoring of the impacts as they became evident, and the missed opportunities to deal with it early on so as to at least mitigate some of the harm.....all those months gaslighting people that their observations of inflation were not true made things worse than they needed to be.... This inclination to say "thats not true, what you are experiencing isnt true, look at this economic measure which says your reality is fake....." is proving to be ineffective as a solution So your final answer is that he didn't tell everyone how bad inflation was going to get? No policies? And trump doesn't have any plans to do anything different? So why would anyone think trump will lower inflation from 3 to 2 pct and Biden can't? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted April 5, 2024 1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said: So your final answer is that he didn't tell everyone how bad inflation was going to get? No policies? And trump doesn't have any plans to do anything different? So why would anyone think trump will lower inflation from 3 to 2 pct and Biden can't? Nope. I think your inclination to not talk about this, but instead try to corner me into some absolute is perhaps a path you could reconsider.... As I stated, perhaps that was the worst thing he did....I find it objectionable that he lied rather than help the people of this nation Not adding to the problem will have a profound impact to stem it, past that.....there is alot of work to do and the Fed will need to be more aggressive......cant happen now since their main move is to be elected.....and in the meantime the people harmed can apparently go fock themselves as far as the Democrats are concerned. Later, mainly due to the mentality you have demonstrated and which is being replicated in media and liberal circles, I foresee Trump returning to the WH. If past performance is a decent measure, he will again employ good policies....my question is how extreme he will have to be in order to unfock this situation.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,512 Posted April 5, 2024 17 minutes ago, RLLD said: Nope. I think your inclination to not talk about this, but instead try to corner me into some absolute is perhaps a path you could reconsider.... As I stated, perhaps that was the worst thing he did....I find it objectionable that he lied rather than help the people of this nation Not adding to the problem will have a profound impact to stem it, past that.....there is alot of work to do and the Fed will need to be more aggressive......cant happen now since their main move is to be elected.....and in the meantime the people harmed can apparently go fock themselves as far as the Democrats are concerned. Later, mainly due to the mentality you have demonstrated and which is being replicated in media and liberal circles, I foresee Trump returning to the WH. If past performance is a decent measure, he will again employ good policies....my question is how extreme he will have to be in order to unfock this situation.... Just trying to get a straight answer out of you but it's not gonna happen. Enjoy your day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,424 Posted April 5, 2024 10 million illegals adds to inflation. Trump can improve on that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,868 Posted April 5, 2024 54 minutes ago, RLLD said: I provided some evidence, how people are living is what matters.....and trotting out metrics so as to suggest to them that its not true, well, we can already see how that is manifesting.... Now if you want talk about it forthrightly I am all about that, but this thing where you say no thats not true is just not standing up to scrutiny...so pretend away, its making sure Trump wins... How voters feel about the economy: 4 takeaways from the latest polls Inflation and high prices remain the electorate’s top concern and dominate voters’ assessment of the economy. In a just-released Economist/YouGov survey, 22% of voters identify inflation/prices as their most important issue, compared to only seven percent who cite jobs and the economy. According to a Data for Progress analysis, 68% of those who put inflation and prices first named the cost of food as their principal concern, followed by housing (17%), utilities (eight percent), and gas (three percent). Despite some modest recent improvement, voters’ sentiments about the economy remain negative. A recent Wall Street Journal (WSJ) survey found 31% of voters endorse the proposition that the economy has improved over the past two years, up by 10 percentage points since December. In another sign of progress, a New York Times (NYT) survey from early March found that 26% regard economic conditions as excellent or good, up from 20% since last July. Still, 74% of the NYT respondents regard the economy as only fair (23%) or poor (51%). And as an analysis of the WSJ data shows, inflation is still the main reason why economic sentiment remains depressed. More than two-thirds of voters say that inflation is headed in the wrong direction, and nearly three-quarters say that price increases are exceeding gains in household income. This helps explain why only 24% of voters expect the economy to get better over the next 12 months. The Economist/YouGov survey helps us understand how key subgroups of the electorate are feeling about the economy. Only 22% of Black Americans, 13% of Hispanics, and 18% of young adults believe that they are better off financially today than they were a year ago. (The figure for the electorate as a whole is a rock-bottom 15%.) And during a period in which party affiliation has a much greater effect on economic evaluations than it did two decades ago, only 26% of Democrats say that their economic circumstances have improved over the past year. Just 19% of Black Americans, 14% of Hispanics, 12% of young adults, and 21% of the full electorate believe that economic conditions are getting better, while an outright majority of voters (52%) say that things are getting worse. President Biden continues to get low marks for his handling of inflation. Overall, only 35% of voters approve of his handling of this issue. Among Hispanics, just 34% approve; for young adults, 28%; among lower-income voters, 29%. When it comes to the economy, Donald Trump enjoys a clear edge over Biden. Still irrelevant to the 2008 comparison Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,512 Posted April 5, 2024 9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: 10 million illegals adds to inflation. Trump can improve on that. How does immigration increase inflation? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,424 Posted April 5, 2024 1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said: How does immigration increase inflation? Supply and demand? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,512 Posted April 5, 2024 38 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Supply and demand? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,424 Posted April 5, 2024 1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said: I win Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,512 Posted April 5, 2024 5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I win You win the BS simpleton award. Sure thing buddy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,424 Posted April 5, 2024 1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said: You win the BS simpleton award. Sure thing buddy. Sure thing. Bringing in millions of people in a short period of time has no affect on supply and demand. They don’t call you tiny brain for nothing. Unless of course you think those millions don’t consume any products. Lol. What a clown Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,762 Posted April 5, 2024 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Sure thing. Bringing in millions of people in a short period of time has no affect on supply and demand. They don’t call you tiny brain for nothing. Unless of course you think those millions don’t consume any products. Lol. What a clown So is it good or bad for our economy when more of our products are consumed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted April 5, 2024 2 hours ago, TimHauck said: Still irrelevant to the 2008 comparison As is the 2008 comparison itself..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted April 5, 2024 2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said: Just trying to get a straight answer out of you but it's not gonna happen. Enjoy your day. Enjoy your day as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,424 Posted April 5, 2024 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: So is it good or bad for our economy when more of our products are consumed? It’s good for the producers of the goods. Not so much for the buyers. Next thing you’ll be telling me is the immigrants are bringing down wages and that helps with inflation. But we keep hearing wages are going up. So any of you idiots that want to trot that bullshitt out better tell us how both are possible. TIA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,868 Posted April 5, 2024 7 minutes ago, RLLD said: As is the 2008 comparison itself..... Huh? You said 2024 is worse than 2008 for the lower classes. But have yet to provide any evidence backing that up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted April 5, 2024 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: Huh? You said 2024 is worse than 2008 for the lower classes. But have yet to provide any evidence backing that up I never said any such thing, that was a tactic you used to try to make some point.....an irrelevant one to be sure....but you brought up 2008 with hopes of pretending that ..."hey, its not so bad now......all you people suffering need to STFU and get back to your three jobs and starvation...." All good, I stated none of them have seen this bad of an economic situation in their lifetime..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jose M 125 Posted April 5, 2024 10 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Huh? You said 2024 is worse than 2008 for the lower classes. But have yet to provide any evidence backing that up No he didn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachGuy23 642 Posted April 5, 2024 22 minutes ago, Jose M said: No he didn't. He literally said 2024 is the worst economy in people's lifetimes Horsegirl. Has all the gay porn "research" made you even dumber? Love this for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jose M 125 Posted April 5, 2024 1 minute ago, BeachGuy23 said: He literally said 2024 is the worst economy in people's lifetimes Horsegirl. Has all the gay porn "research" made you even dumber? Love this for you. Add reading comprehension to your list of disabilities boyosexual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,424 Posted April 5, 2024 Rent sure has shot up. I guess bringing in millions of renters had no affect on that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachGuy23 642 Posted April 5, 2024 On 4/4/2024 at 8:56 AM, RLLD said: This is the worst economy the lower classes have seen in their lifetime, we know this is true, unless we want to declare them liars. Your beef is not with me, its with them...... 7 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said: He literally said 2024 is the worst economy in people's lifetimes Horsegirl. Has all the gay porn "research" made you even dumber? Love this for you. 5 minutes ago, Jose M said: Add reading comprehension to your list of disabilities boyosexual. You're as dumb as you are gay Horsegirl. Go make another alias gayboi. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jose M 125 Posted April 5, 2024 6 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said: You're as dumb as you are gay Horsegirl. Go make another alias gayboi. You're as dumb as TimHauck. Quote This is the worst economy the lower classes have seen in their lifetime, we know this is true, unless we want to declare them liars. He isn't saying it. He is claiming THEY are saying it. They put retard drops in the water for you guys? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachGuy23 642 Posted April 5, 2024 2 minutes ago, Jose M said: You're as dumb as TimHauck. He isn't saying it. He is claiming THEY are saying it. They put retard drops in the water for you guys? That settles it. The serial gay porn "research" has made you even dumber. He made a declarative statement. Then he tried to support that declarative statement with some moronic, cultist level of retardation. You and the rest of the alt right just prove every day how right Hillary was. Nothing but deplorables. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites